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This RB Breida for SF, was it their OL or not having Snacks,

Big Blue '56 : 11/13/2018 4:39 pm
or simply his ability to hit the hole like Joe Morris did (at least to me). Or, all of the above?

Haven’t seen him play before, but for at least one game, he was impressive. How was he in college and is he really 5’ 11” as listed?
Snacks was very inconsistent  
dep026 : 11/13/2018 4:41 pm : link
This year. His worst year of the three by far.
He's listed at 5'10''  
adamg : 11/13/2018 4:42 pm : link
On pace for 1000 yards.
Breida ran well  
Eman11 : 11/13/2018 4:43 pm : link
No doubt and his cutbacks were huge but more than not having Snacks, I think our inside LBs sucked and over ran a lot of plays and flat out whiffed on others.

Ok, so, was it their OL?  
Big Blue '56 : 11/13/2018 4:43 pm : link
How do people rate their OL in general?
Breida has a ton of potential  
UConn4523 : 11/13/2018 4:44 pm : link
he has good vision and hits holes that are hard to see with speed. Injuries are the only thing keeping him from being a feature back.
Btw,  
Big Blue '56 : 11/13/2018 4:45 pm : link
Who else noticed that SF made zero attempts to run a KO back, even when it landed rather shallow in the EZ?

Looked like it was by design
touchbacks  
Csonka : 11/13/2018 4:50 pm : link
Before Coleman this week, what percentage of our returns ended up beyond the 25? Feels like 10%. Why are we returning them?
SF has a very good running game  
Vanzetti : 11/13/2018 4:51 pm : link
I have seen a bunch of their games. They have an excellent OL.

Their running game is ranked #4 but is really probably as good as anybody in the NFL.

So, I really think it was a matter of their being good rather than the D not stopping the run
RE: touchbacks  
UConn4523 : 11/13/2018 4:51 pm : link
In comment 14176785 Csonka said:
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Before Coleman this week, what percentage of our returns ended up beyond the 25? Feels like 10%. Why are we returning them?


Because the risk of losing 5 yards and only getting to the 20 is worth it if you can break one to the 50.
Shanahan  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/13/2018 4:52 pm : link
Both Shanahan's always seem able to coach a team to effectively run the ball. Like to keep them under a 100 yards but not like they were running all over us either imo.
RE: Btw,  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/13/2018 4:55 pm : link
In comment 14176768 Big Blue '56 said:
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Who else noticed that SF made zero attempts to run a KO back, even when it landed rather shallow in the EZ?

Looked like it was by design

As it should be. With a touchback at the 25, teams really shouldn't ever try to return a KO even shallow in the end zone unless the kick coverage is just absolutely abysmal (I mean like players falling down kind of bad).
RE: Btw,  
MOOPS : 11/13/2018 4:55 pm : link
In comment 14176768 Big Blue '56 said:
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Who else noticed that SF made zero attempts to run a KO back, even when it landed rather shallow in the EZ?

Looked like it was by design


I think the odds are better to take the ball at the 25 than try and run it out.
We got lucky on one big return, but on another we came up short of the 25 and with a hold added in we started at the 8.
Average kickoff return league-wise is probably around 22-23 yards, so taking one out of the end zone is generally a lose proposition.
It would appear that a lot of returners are told to not run them back.
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Agree with you guys re KO returns. I just wonder  
Big Blue '56 : 11/13/2018 5:36 pm : link
why more teams don’t seem to opt for the 25 placement. To me, you run it out when you really need (hope) to break one with the game on the line late
Despite  
Joey in VA : 11/13/2018 5:41 pm : link
His two INTs, Goodson took some bad angles in run support, as did our OLBs and Ogletree. Those quick inside runs require gap discipline and awareness and we lacked it on his bigger runs. These are bang bang type plays and one false step opens a hole those little shifty RBs. Our LBs weren't playing well vs the run and our DEs weren't holding the POA well at all.
Another thing about running them out...  
Milton : 11/13/2018 6:42 pm : link
You're more likely to get called for holding or a block in the back that traps you inside your own 10-yard line than you are to run one past midfield.
Once Breida got past the DL,  
Since1965 : 11/13/2018 7:39 pm : link
it seemed like the linebackers were consistently blocked or out of position.
Breida is a solid football player..  
EricJ : 11/13/2018 7:55 pm : link
and he is tough too. The guy was doing it all night on a bad ankle.

In the beginning of the game thread I said I was concerned about Breida.
RE: Once Breida got past the DL,  
UConn4523 : 11/13/2018 7:56 pm : link
In comment 14176985 Since1965 said:
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it seemed like the linebackers were consistently blocked or out of position.


I know we hone in on our players but he’s averaging 5.6 YPC and overbthe first 6 games was something like 7 YPC. In other words, everyone LBers haven’t had much success against him. Just trying to put this in perspective a bit.
He’s a nice, quick RB......  
Simms11 : 11/13/2018 8:01 pm : link
Has some giddyup in his step. Their Oline is good too and their FB and TE know how to help block!
Didn't watch Richberg  
WillieYoung : 11/13/2018 9:01 pm : link
but you can't have that kind of running success without a great performance by your center. He seems to be a great fit for Shanahan's system which requires more mobility than strength.
They Manhandled the Giants Up Front  
Rafflee : 11/13/2018 10:01 pm : link
Of the front 7, I like what Carter looks like, and I like the two tackles, but they were Invisible for Most of the night. Few Stunts...nothing successful from Oliier or any edge rusher... the inside rush was totally stoned.

Solid effort-wise all around...they were somewhat more fortunate than good.
From my Alma Mater!  
GoDeep13 : 11/13/2018 10:58 pm : link
HAIL SOUTHERN!!

But he’s a great back. I still think his teammate (and also former Eagle) Jerrick McKinnon is still the better back IMO. Sucks he’s out for the season. But kudos to Kyle for doubling up!!
Shanny  
idiotsavant : 11/14/2018 12:21 am : link
Been pushing that for years.

Then, the whole instant to the line thing in runs. That as well as a way to negate today's dl modes.

That game showed it.

The Falcons held on to their OL coach when shanny left. Kick tires as OC ?
Breida It's a great find for them  
English Alaister : 11/14/2018 4:14 am : link
Got a bit of Marcus Allen to his game. Just always changes the angle he hits the line at in the backfield.
Breida's a great find for them  
English Alaister : 11/14/2018 4:15 am : link
Got a bit of Marcus Allen to his game. Just always changes the angle he hits the line at in the backfield.
23 yard run play  
bc4life : 11/14/2018 7:31 am : link
should have been called back because blocker was clearly holding Jenkins.

Breida is a good back. Lot of times if you just watch his previous runs you can see the talent. Agree also about defenders overrunning plays. And, I think I recall Riley taking a bad angle on one play.

But, in short - they have a good running game. And Shanahan is pretty smart.
Matt Breida is more proof...  
bw in dc : 11/14/2018 10:25 am : link
that RBs are in great supply. He’s an undrafted rookie from Georgia Southern. Leads the league in runs of 20 yards or >. And he continues to be productive despite San Fran being down to their third QB of the year.

RE: Ok, so, was it their OL?  
Jay on the Island : 11/14/2018 12:58 pm : link
In comment 14176764 Big Blue '56 said:
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How do people rate their OL in general?

They have a very good offensive line. McGlinchey is the top rated rookie OT.
RE: Matt Breida is more proof...  
Jay on the Island : 11/14/2018 12:59 pm : link
In comment 14177294 bw in dc said:
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that RBs are in great supply. He’s an undrafted rookie from Georgia Southern. Leads the league in runs of 20 yards or >. And he continues to be productive despite San Fran being down to their third QB of the year.

Hopefully the Giants will draft a good RB in the mid to late rounds to help take some carries away from Barkley in order to keep him fresh.
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