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The Huddle Report updated their Top 100 Value Board

Milton : 11/13/2018 6:00 pm
1. QB Justin Herbert
2. ER Nick Bosa
3. DL Ed Oliver
4. CB Greedy Williams
5. ER Cielen Ferrell
6. OG Jonah Williams
7. DL Quinnen Williams
8. ER Rashan Gary
9. OT Greg Little
10. DS Deionte Thompson
11. WR AJ Brown
12. QB Dwayne Haskins
13. QB Will Grier
14. CB Deandre Baker
15. ER Josh Allen

Interesting that they chose to list Jonah Williams as a guard. Daniel Jones still considered 2nd round value in their eyes, but Will Grier has moved into the top 15.

The full THR Top 100 Value Board - ( New Window )
As Far As The Rest Of The Season  
Trainmaster : 11/13/2018 6:08 pm : link
Let’s “Act Like A Hosa For Bosa”
Melt like sherbert  
Pete in MD : 11/13/2018 6:29 pm : link
for Herbert?
Take it in the  
Pete in MD : 11/13/2018 6:31 pm : link
rear for Grier?
We are needy  
Diver_Down : 11/13/2018 6:36 pm : link
for Greedy?
Play like the needy for Greedy!  
Milton : 11/13/2018 6:37 pm : link
Look lost like Magellan for Cielen!
As I understand it, the Value Board isn't about how high they rate  
Ira : 11/13/2018 6:41 pm : link
the players as it is about where they're expected to go if the draft were held now. They rate the players in the Talent Board.
RE: As I understand it, the Value Board isn't about how high they rate  
Milton : 11/13/2018 6:45 pm : link
In comment 14176940 Ira said:
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the players as it is about where they're expected to go if the draft were held now. They rate the players in the Talent Board.

Exactamundo - ( New Window )
Dwayne Haskins  
dep026 : 11/13/2018 6:50 pm : link
Is not a first round talent. He has regressed as the year went on.
“Stay at 3 for the Houston DT”  
The_Boss : 11/13/2018 7:02 pm : link
Seriously, I’m eliminating Herbert (thank God) and Bosa. I’d be thrilled with Oliver, Clelin, or Little.
Devin White will creep hire  
DavidinBMNY : 11/13/2018 7:56 pm : link
I would be really surprised if he isn't top 15.

Nice to see so many ER's listed because we need two of them.
And Deionte Thompson  
DavidinBMNY : 11/13/2018 8:00 pm : link
Is not getting past #8.

How many safeties have his versatility. When was the last time Saban trusted a FS like this? It is before Collins was drafted at least.

Thompson has been compared to Earl Thomas. If he is that good he is going higher.
Would love to see Rashan Gary in blue  
RobCarpenter : 11/13/2018 8:01 pm : link
Or Chase Winovich. This team needs edge rushers something awful
RE: Dwayne Haskins  
bw in dc : 11/13/2018 8:10 pm : link
In comment 14176948 dep026 said:
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Is not a first round talent. He has regressed as the year went on.


Couldn't agree more. He's third round - at best.
It’s sad, but I look at the positions at the top  
Keith : 11/13/2018 8:11 pm : link
of the board and I’m like...nice we can use a qb, we can use a edge rusher, we can use a cb, dl, g. Then I’m like shit, we really need every position. Aside from the skill positions, we are barren.
RE: Dwayne Haskins  
bw in dc : 11/13/2018 8:13 pm : link
In comment 14176948 dep026 said:
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Is not a first round talent. He has regressed as the year went on.


Couldn't agree more. He's third round - at best.
ER ?  
gtt350 : 11/13/2018 8:15 pm : link
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RE: ER ?  
Diver_Down : 11/13/2018 8:16 pm : link
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Edge Rusher.
ah edge rusher good god  
gtt350 : 11/13/2018 8:17 pm : link
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Montez Sweat...  
bw in dc : 11/13/2018 8:17 pm : link
as the #5 edge rushing prospect is a testament to how deep this class is for pass rushers.

That Miss State Dline, btw, is loaded with NFL talent.
Quinnen Williams is a beast  
Anakim : 11/13/2018 8:24 pm : link
He's actually my second best player in the Draft behind Bosa
RE: “Stay at 3 for the Houston DT”  
Anakim : 11/13/2018 8:26 pm : link
In comment 14176959 The_Boss said:
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Seriously, I’m eliminating Herbert (thank God) and Bosa. I’d be thrilled with Oliver, Clelin, or Little.


Why are you eliminating Herbert (thank God) and Bosa?
RE: RE: “Stay at 3 for the Houston DT”  
The_Boss : 11/13/2018 9:02 pm : link
In comment 14177025 Anakim said:
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Seriously, I’m eliminating Herbert (thank God) and Bosa. I’d be thrilled with Oliver, Clelin, or Little.



Why are you eliminating Herbert (thank God) and Bosa?


Not a fan of Herbert in the least. He’s not been impressive at all. Let Gruden take him. And regarding Bosa: I want him most but he’s probably not going to be available at 3 or 4 where we’d likely be picking.
I think Quinnen Williams  
ajr2456 : 11/13/2018 9:23 pm : link
Is a little too low here. He’s a better player than Ferrel imo
RE: I think Quinnen Williams  
madgiantscow009 : 11/13/2018 9:25 pm : link
In comment 14177067 ajr2456 said:
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Is a little too low here. He’s a better player than Ferrel imo


stop winnin' for Quinnen?
RE: Take it in the  
Jerry in DC : 11/13/2018 9:28 pm : link
In comment 14176934 Pete in MD said:
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rear for Grier?


That is gold
RE: RE: Take it in the  
Milton : 11/13/2018 10:16 pm : link
In comment 14177071 Jerry in DC said:
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rear for Grier?



That is gold
More like bronze
Julian Love...  
bw in dc : 11/13/2018 10:52 pm : link
is having a great, great year at corner for the Irish. I think he's going to gradually go up the board and end up in the first round.
Quinnen Williams was the best player on the field  
Greg from LI : 11/13/2018 11:19 pm : link
In that Bama-LSU game. He wrecked the Tiger offense.
RE: Quinnen Williams was the best player on the field  
Anakim : 11/13/2018 11:33 pm : link
In comment 14177110 Greg from LI said:
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In that Bama-LSU game. He wrecked the Tiger offense.


Yeah he was. He has dominated this year. I'd take him over Ed Oliver.
When I look at that list  
joeinpa : 11/14/2018 7:19 am : link
And the likelihood the Giants will not be drafting #1, it makes me curious to see which direction they will be going at quarterback.

I can actually see a pathway to where Eli is the guy next season.
RE: When I look at that list  
Diver_Down : 11/14/2018 7:58 am : link
In comment 14177152 joeinpa said:
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And the likelihood the Giants will not be drafting #1, it makes me curious to see which direction they will be going at quarterback.

I can actually see a pathway to where Eli is the guy next season.


We have to keep in mind that every team is expecting us to be picking a QB. Those other teams that also want a QB in a limited QB class will need to trade up in front of us. San Fran will be selling that pick for a haul unless they absolutely love Bosa. The Raiders may or may not go QB. The point to keep in mind is that DG identified the main problem with the team as the OL (run/pass blocking [Run the ball]). He has a pretty young stable of guys to Stop the Run. And of course, the gaping hole of being unable to Rush the Passer.

With an improved OL, DG may finally win on his bet that Eli has years left. Barkley will finally have some holes to run through and Eli will have his pocket to pass from. People like to make fun of his derision of analytics, but what happens when they look at Eli's analytics behind an OL that has had 9 different OL combinations? An improved completion pct., increased passer rating, yardage on pace to be top 3 over his career, low INT, etc.

I'm fully expect for Eli to be our starter next year, and I won't back away from the notion that he is extended.
Rashan Gary is a prospect to watch  
JonC : 11/14/2018 8:03 am : link
If NYG is picking #3, the QB probably isn't happening. If Gary demonstrates he can play OLB in a 3-4, he will be in the mix.
Greedy Williams  
mittenedman : 11/14/2018 8:09 am : link
has All Pro CB written all over him.

I really have no interest in going CB high in the draft but this guy's got an insane skill set. He's a tougher, more athletic version of Corey Webster IMO.
Agreed with the Edge Rusher crowd.  
mittenedman : 11/14/2018 8:10 am : link
We have a 34 Defense. I'd like to get back to the LT/Carl Banks model. Gotta have a nasty NT and 2 great OLBs in a 34.
Diver  
joeinpa : 11/14/2018 8:19 am : link
You might be right.

I am one who wanted a young quarterback, still do, but I also believe Eli can play at a winning level.

But the analytics that matter are points put in the board, and the Giants offense led by Eli has been deficient there for a while now.

He hasn't had much help to be sure. But I m not willing to bet that given that help he could still win a championship.

Hence IMO, it s best to move on. Also there is this: Too many NFL people believe he is the problem.
Even with Eli in decline  
JonC : 11/14/2018 8:24 am : link
it's entirely possible there is no QB worth the capital when NYG is on the clock.

Watch how they utilize UFA when it opens. I'm expecting them to work on the OL, defensive back end, and try to find spots to pick on edge rushers they believe are ascending.

If you're successful in building the lines, it makes it "easier" to plug in a QB, even if you don't have the blue chipper.
RE: Rashan Gary is a prospect to watch  
dep026 : 11/14/2018 8:58 am : link
In comment 14177167 JonC said:
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If NYG is picking #3, the QB probably isn't happening. If Gary demonstrates he can play OLB in a 3-4, he will be in the mix.


His stats are average, but he absolutely manhandles every tackle he plays. The problem is I dont see him as OLB desite his freak athleticism. He would probably be a DE in a 3-4.
DL - Ed Oliver (Houston)  
Chuckstar : 11/14/2018 8:58 am : link
Saw some highlights. This kid is very disruptive and looks like he could play all across the line. Unfortunately he's missed last 3 games with balky knee.
RE: RE: Rashan Gary is a prospect to watch  
JonC : 11/14/2018 9:02 am : link
In comment 14177195 dep026 said:
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If NYG is picking #3, the QB probably isn't happening. If Gary demonstrates he can play OLB in a 3-4, he will be in the mix.



His stats are average, but he absolutely manhandles every tackle he plays. The problem is I dont see him as OLB desite his freak athleticism. He would probably be a DE in a 3-4.


That's the question to answer, because if he's not a fit at OLB you pass.

Same with Oliver unless he can play NT, and even then not many NT's go #3 overall.
Of course it's all about value  
JonC : 11/14/2018 9:02 am : link
but not seeing it at DE or NT, imo.
RE: Rashan Gary is a prospect to watch  
BigRoss71 : 11/14/2018 9:04 am : link
In comment 14177167 JonC said:
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If NYG is picking #3, the QB probably isn't happening. If Gary demonstrates he can play OLB in a 3-4, he will be in the mix.


I've seen him as a top 5 talent for a couple of years (like most of the consensus), but IMO, his best positions are 3 and 5 tech, certainly someone who can play nose on passing downs as well. I don't think it's necessarily detrimental to have him play outside the TE or OT as the furthest out, but his value is on the interior with a hand in the dirt. I think he would be an awesome player in any scheme, 3-4 DE in particular. He is a large, stout human being. The only thing Gary isn't adept at is keeping the motor running into the 4th quarter (not too different than most DL), although I think he's been better about it this year than the previous 2.

I don't see him as an OLB.
RE: RE: RE: Rashan Gary is a prospect to watch  
dep026 : 11/14/2018 9:04 am : link
In comment 14177202 JonC said:
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If NYG is picking #3, the QB probably isn't happening. If Gary demonstrates he can play OLB in a 3-4, he will be in the mix.



His stats are average, but he absolutely manhandles every tackle he plays. The problem is I dont see him as OLB desite his freak athleticism. He would probably be a DE in a 3-4.



That's the question to answer, because if he's not a fit at OLB you pass.

Same with Oliver unless he can play NT, and even then not many NT's go #3 overall.


I am not comparing him to Watt.... but I think Gary is versatile enough to line up pretty much anywhere and play well. 4-3, 3-4..... I even believe you can line him on the nose on certain situations.

Dude is a football player, and can play well anywhere on the line, but we have bigger needs at Edge and OL and QB, so I dont see it. Id love to be wrong as a michigan homer. I think Gary's best days are ahead of him. Hopefully next Saturday starts it.

The guy I want in the 2nd round is Devin Bush. He is future pro-bowl MLB.
RE: RE: Rashan Gary is a prospect to watch  
BigRoss71 : 11/14/2018 9:05 am : link
In comment 14177195 dep026 said:
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If NYG is picking #3, the QB probably isn't happening. If Gary demonstrates he can play OLB in a 3-4, he will be in the mix.



His stats are average, but he absolutely manhandles every tackle he plays. The problem is I dont see him as OLB desite his freak athleticism. He would probably be a DE in a 3-4.


We legit had the same thought process haha.
dep, Ross  
JonC : 11/14/2018 9:18 am : link
You guys have seen more of him than me, in limited peaks he doesn't look like an OLB to me either.
Yeah I just dont see Gary  
dep026 : 11/14/2018 9:21 am : link
as a top guy for them, not for his skill. But I think if they are looking edge, they will look at Allen or Sweat, depending where we pick.

But I would be very very open for them to get Bush in the 2nd round. Its time we finally get a do all LB with speed.
No matter what rhymes you try to sell  
eli4life : 11/14/2018 9:35 am : link
Raiders win again?
No chance in HELL
At this point  
Jay on the Island : 11/14/2018 10:23 am : link
IF the Giants want Herbert then we have to hope that Arizona and/or SF are picking in front of the Giants and not Oakland. There is a decent chance that Oakland would take Herbert but it is also entirely possible that Gruden is eyeing Tua in 2020. He has loaded up on 1st round picks over the next 2 years and that draft capital can be moved to trade up if necessary.

The Raiders are clearly at the beginning of a dramatic rebuild so they might not be looking to go QB this year. We all need to root for SF, Arizona, and most importantly Oakland from here on out.
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