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Seriously confused over comp pick for cutting...

M.S. : 11/14/2018 9:57 am
...Patrick Omameh?

I've read that we'll be receiving a 4th Rounder.

Why?

Because we got rid of him and thus he doesn't count against a former Giants player we lost in Free Agency?

Any help much appreciated... thanks in advance!
Cutting Omameh  
Jay on the Island : 11/14/2018 10:08 am : link
before week 10, the deadline for comp pick formula, the Giants will reportedly get a 4th round pick for Pugh. Had Omameh remained on the roster he would have canceled out Pugh.
Correct, he was cut early enough that he doesn't offset Pugh.  
Mad Mike : 11/14/2018 10:08 am : link
(At least that's what I've read).
RE: Cutting Omameh  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 11/14/2018 10:14 am : link
In comment 14177272 Jay on the Island said:
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before week 10, the deadline for comp pick formula, the Giants will reportedly get a 4th round pick for Pugh. Had Omameh remained on the roster he would have canceled out Pugh.


does Pugh to IR  
ron mexico : 11/14/2018 10:14 am : link
impact this?
RE: does Pugh to IR  
Jay on the Island : 11/14/2018 10:16 am : link
In comment 14177283 ron mexico said:
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impact this?

No it happened after week 10.
Let's  
AcidTest : 11/14/2018 10:26 am : link
hope that DG can use at least some of his day three picks productively. Lauletta and McIntosh are unknowns, but Reese basically forgot there even was a third day in the draft. I know most of those players don't work out, but we can't whiff completely.
RE: Let's  
Jay on the Island : 11/14/2018 10:28 am : link
In comment 14177296 AcidTest said:
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hope that DG can use at least some of his day three picks productively. Lauletta and McIntosh are unknowns, but Reese basically forgot there even was a third day in the draft. I know most of those players don't work out, but we can't whiff completely.

I am hoping for a C or OT that develops into a starter. I would like to see Gettleman take a chance on a falling player with off the field issues. Not serious issues but maybe just a case of a kid doing something stupid when they were young but has learned from like an Ahmad Bradshaw type.
OTC  
MrX : 11/14/2018 10:46 am : link
They have us with a 4th and 5th potential comp pick right now. Pugh was already netting a 4th, Omameh could add a 5th
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I still  
Brian in SI : 11/14/2018 11:00 am : link
Don’t understand why we didn’t cut Lattimer? He would net us a 7th. He’s on IR anyway.
RE: OTC  
Jay on the Island : 11/14/2018 11:01 am : link
In comment 14177326 MrX said:
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They have us with a 4th and 5th potential comp pick right now. Pugh was already netting a 4th, Omameh could add a 5th Comp Picks - ( New Window )

I hope that's accurate.
RE: I still  
YAJ2112 : 11/14/2018 11:11 am : link
In comment 14177351 Brian in SI said:
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Don’t understand why we didn’t cut Lattimer? He would net us a 7th. He’s on IR anyway.


Because you can't just cut someone on IR.
The 15 million dollar comp pick  
Tuckrule : 11/14/2018 11:32 am : link
Let’s make it count!
They were getting a 4th probably anyway  
pjcas18 : 11/14/2018 11:47 am : link
since Kennard and Omameh canceled each other, not Pugh.

Pugh would have netted a 4th.

Now the Giants, according to OTC stand to get a 4th and a 5th because cutting Omameh leaves no FA signing to cancel Kennard.

None of this is exact since I don't think the exact formula has ever been published but I think OTC does as good a job with this as anyone.


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So in effect, cutting Omameh  
Stan in LA : 11/14/2018 11:48 am : link
Was like trading him for a 4th. Brilliant!
Yaj  
Brian in SI : 11/14/2018 11:55 am : link
But you can, you just need an injury settlement. If he doesn’t agree to the settlement, he gets his full salary for the year.
RE: Yaj  
Mad Mike : 11/14/2018 11:59 am : link
In comment 14177417 Brian in SI said:
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But you can, you just need an injury settlement. If he doesn’t agree to the settlement, he gets his full salary for the year.

Cutting a guy for an injury settlement doesn't necessarily eliminate them from the comp pick calculation the way a straight cut does. (At least according to over the cap).
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RE: So in effect, cutting Omameh  
pjcas18 : 11/14/2018 12:27 pm : link
In comment 14177413 Stan in LA said:
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Was like trading him for a 4th. Brilliant!


5th.
RE: So in effect, cutting Omameh  
Jay in Toronto : 11/14/2018 12:49 pm : link
In comment 14177413 Stan in LA said:
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Was like trading him for a 4th. Brilliant!


I think a trade would have had $$ benefits for the Giants.
Maximum # of total comp picks awarded by the NFL  
morrison40 : 11/14/2018 1:47 pm : link
is 32, equal to the # of clubs, so not everyone gets one
The Patriots and Rams  
Jay on the Island : 11/14/2018 1:52 pm : link
are both projected to get two 3rd round picks each. The rich get richer.
M S  
SJGiant : 11/14/2018 2:16 pm : link
This is not a simple answer. If you take OTC charts as a given, Pugh loss gave us a 4th round compensation pick. This would only be true if Geno Smith would still count in the formula as a free agent lost. His salary is very borderline to counting. So, given the Geno gave us a 4th round pick, Omameh gives us a 5th round compensation pick. However, one can look at the cutting of Omameh guarantees the Giants a 4th round compensation pick for Pugh. If we are lucky, then we get a 4th and a 5th round compensation picks.

I hope that wasn’t too confusing.
RE: does Pugh to IR  
Beer Man : 11/14/2018 2:16 pm : link
In comment 14177283 ron mexico said:
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impact this?
Pugh to the IR? No way, the guy is a pillar of health.
I'll Ask Again  
Samiam : 11/14/2018 2:30 pm : link
I never really got an answer on another thread. If they had cut Latimer and Michael Thomas, would they have gotten additional comp picks? I had read they could get a 4th and maybe more. But that was before the Omameh cut.
RE: I'll Ask Again  
pjcas18 : 11/14/2018 2:45 pm : link
In comment 14177614 Samiam said:
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I never really got an answer on another thread. If they had cut Latimer and Michael Thomas, would they have gotten additional comp picks? I had read they could get a 4th and maybe more. But that was before the Omameh cut.


Omameh cut worked out to be better IMO.

They would have likely had a 4th round pick regardless of cutting Omameh, Thomas or Latimer.

Cutting Omameh according to OTC projects the Giants to pick up a 5th in addition to the 4th.

Cutting Latimer and/or Thomas was unlikely to yield that high a pick IMO. Links to OCT and their comp pick calcs is above.
thanks Pjcas18  
Samiam : 11/14/2018 3:08 pm : link
That makes sense
this is great news  
ArcadeSlumlord : 11/14/2018 3:37 pm : link
we really needed these picks, we need as many shots at oline talent as we can get, big time.
RE: RE: I'll Ask Again  
SJGiant : 11/14/2018 3:50 pm : link
In comment 14177628 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14177614 Samiam said:


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I never really got an answer on another thread. If they had cut Latimer and Michael Thomas, would they have gotten additional comp picks? I had read they could get a 4th and maybe more. But that was before the Omameh cut.



Omameh cut worked out to be better IMO.

They would have likely had a 4th round pick regardless of cutting Omameh, Thomas or Latimer.

Cutting Omameh according to OTC projects the Giants to pick up a 5th in addition to the 4th.

Cutting Latimer and/or Thomas was unlikely to yield that high a pick IMO. Links to OCT and their comp pick calcs is above.


My belief, based upon looking at the OTC chart above, is that if you would have cut one or two players on the right side of the chart, you would have only received a 7th round compensation pick from the left side of the chart. That isn't much of a compensation.
RE: RE: Let's  
TommyWiseau : 11/15/2018 11:28 am : link
In comment 14177302 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 14177296 AcidTest said:


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hope that DG can use at least some of his day three picks productively. Lauletta and McIntosh are unknowns, but Reese basically forgot there even was a third day in the draft. I know most of those players don't work out, but we can't whiff completely.


I am hoping for a C or OT that develops into a starter. I would like to see Gettleman take a chance on a falling player with off the field issues. Not serious issues but maybe just a case of a kid doing something stupid when they were young but has learned from like an Ahmad Bradshaw type.


That center who plays for Buffalo looks like a decent late round project. I think he grades out really well in pass pro
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