True they couldn't afford that contract, but it would be nice to have SOMEONE on the other side of OV getting some sacks, right now pretty much nothing.
And yeah. A phone call ... might not have been the greatest way to find out. Then again, where was he, geographically, when the trade happened? If he's far away, what else did he want?
How about his lack of communication when he decided to go blow half his hand off? If I remember correctly he wasn't exactly singing to the Giants about the issue, instead leaving the Giants brass hanging out to dry
RE: There was no place for JPP in a 3-4 defense. Â
He was hurt not only that he wasn't wanted, but how it was handled.
He s human.
So now for some, he s the bad guy. Me, I remember an improbable win in Dallas in 11, an incredible come back by Eli, one of the games among many that Made Eli special, that was preserved by a block field goal.
He made a play that kept that season alive, a season that ended in. Super Bowl.
John Mara should have called him, Eli understood.
Oh also, how good do you feel about Chas Wheeler against him this Sunday.
How about his lack of communication when he decided to go blow half his hand off? If I remember correctly he wasn't exactly singing to the Giants about the issue, instead leaving the Giants brass hanging out to dry
This is a great point. He went dark after the accident and the Giants had no idea what was going on. Where was the communication then? Then he comes back and the Gment give him huge money. He should be thanking the Giants, not feeling slighted.
Eh, I don't blame him for his reaction after the accident Â
At that point he's dealing with a major injury and advice from his agent, who knows what his state of mind was.
At the same time, I'm not sure what he's insulted by, the trade or the way they told him. Not sure what the way to tell him was, he was traded when he wasn't with the team, so were they supposed to dispatch someone to him? Or have him fly in to give him the bad news?
How about his lack of communication when he decided to go blow half his hand off? If I remember correctly he wasn't exactly singing to the Giants about the issue, instead leaving the Giants brass hanging out to dry
This is a great point. He went dark after the accident and the Giants had no idea what was going on. Where was the communication then? Then he comes back and the Gment give him huge money. He should be thanking the Giants, not feeling slighted.
Exactly.....he should be thankful for what they did for him. They took good care of him and gave him that nice contract, which oh by the way, we are still paying him guaranteed money on! Giants could have cut ties with him after the incident, but it's not the Giant way.
How about his lack of communication when he decided to go blow half his hand off? If I remember correctly he wasn't exactly singing to the Giants about the issue, instead leaving the Giants brass hanging out to dry
This is a great point. He went dark after the accident and the Giants had no idea what was going on. Where was the communication then? Then he comes back and the Gment give him huge money. He should be thanking the Giants, not feeling slighted.
Q: The Giants only have 10 sacks as a team and you have eight yourself. Do you feel like that proves that they thought you couldn’t get it done, that maybe they needed what you bring?
A: Numbers speak for themselves. I can’t really say much, but I’m not even worried about the sacks and how much the Giants have on their team. Like I said, I’m just playing some great football and I’m just blessed to be getting the opportunity to keep on playing this game that I love. I’m going to walk away from it when I walk away from it, but until then, I’m just going to keep on being a great player that I am and obviously come Sunday, I’m going to go out there and do what I normally do, go one hundred and ten percent and just fly to the ball.
also had this to say about Eli
Q: What did it mean to you to have Eli Manning call you and was he the only teammate to call you? Also, what would it be like to try to and possibly sack him on Sunday?
A: Eli called me and also Zak DeOssie had texted me. Landon Collins wrote me, a couple guys I was very close to, but with Eli, it’s different because I’ve been there and knowing what he has done, I had the opportunity to actually win a Super Bowl with him and that’s awesome to say that you did that. It meant a lot to me, because Eli is a stand-up, world class guy and no matter what, he’s all about football and he always wants to win. Eli is Eli.
Not entirely. One key is TB is -19 in turnover differential. If we can't generate turnovers against them, then Collins and his crew can all be sent packing.
wasn't the only player to reach out to him but Eli's call meant a lot to him. Here is the full Q&A:
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Q: What did it mean to you to have Eli Manning call you and was he the only teammate to call you? Also, what would it be like to try to and possibly sack him on Sunday?
A: Eli called me and also Zak DeOssie had texted me. Landon Collins wrote me, a couple guys I was very close to, but with Eli, it’s different because I’ve been there and knowing what he has done, I had the opportunity to actually win a Super Bowl with him and that’s awesome to say that you did that. It meant a lot to me, because Eli is a stand-up, world class guy and no matter what, he’s all about football and he always wants to win. Eli is Eli.
True they couldn't afford that contract, but it would be nice to have SOMEONE on the other side of OV getting some sacks, right now pretty much nothing.
Someone on the other side? Why not demand them from OV himself? His paltry 1 sack on the year is disgraceful.
Nothing he said was even remotely close to trash talk Â
"the numbers speak for themselves" is about as benign as you can get for a quote. What was he supposed to say "those guys are really good?" They aren't.
Vernon instead and gotten the same return. I'm too lazy (and high) to see if it would have worked salary cap wise. But I respect JPP; he was one of my favorite players, not only for what he overcame (I know it was self inflicted but even so) but also for what he did for the New York Giants.
We don't even make the playoffs in 2011 without him: 93 tackles, 16.5 sacks, 2 forced fumbles. 1 safety, 7 pass defenses. And unless I'm drunk, he blocked the potential game tying field goal in Dallas which if good could have virtually eliminated us from the playoffs.
JPPs career I really thought he was gonna be an incredible player for us. He just never was able to sustain the talent he showed early. I don’t miss him
It's funny because on paper JPP and Justin Tuck have nearly indentical productivity in their careers, with Tuck playing a full season's worth more games.
I mean JPP is 4 passes defended behind Jason Sehorn in team history.
People point to 11, but his awesome 14 was lost in the suck. 12.5 sacks and 21 TOLs.
Tuck obviously has the 2 rings, and had far fewer off-the-field stuff, but goes to show what perception and how good of a team you are on does.
You may want to look up what that means. Not close.
He was outstanding in 2012 too. His QB pressure % was higher than 2011. He just didn’t get the sack numbers but he was outstanding vs pass and run in 2012.
“It’s a great organization,” Pierre-Paul said of the franchise that drafted him in 2010. “I have nothing bad to say about it. The owners there, the Maras, (chairman Steve) Tisch … I loved it there for the years I was there. They took great care of me.”
Hardly trash talk.
True they couldn't afford that contract, but it would be nice to have SOMEONE on the other side of OV getting some sacks, right now pretty much nothing.
Not much in the way of "trash talking," IMO.
Well, 71/2.....
Wheeler needs to learn Paddy-Cake!
That said, the team did stick by him after his accident AND gave him the monster contract he's currently playing under.
I also expect a BIG game from JPP on Sunday....3 sacks, 8+ tackles.
Giants D: 367 ypg, 25.3 ppg
Bucs D: 400 ypg, 32.3 ppg (dead last)
This.
Lmao...
He was hurt not only that he wasn't wanted, but how it was handled.
He s human.
So now for some, he s the bad guy. Me, I remember an improbable win in Dallas in 11, an incredible come back by Eli, one of the games among many that Made Eli special, that was preserved by a block field goal.
He made a play that kept that season alive, a season that ended in. Super Bowl.
John Mara should have called him, Eli understood.
Oh also, how good do you feel about Chas Wheeler against him this Sunday.
Once a Giant always a Giant.
This is a great point. He went dark after the accident and the Giants had no idea what was going on. Where was the communication then? Then he comes back and the Gment give him huge money. He should be thanking the Giants, not feeling slighted.
At the same time, I'm not sure what he's insulted by, the trade or the way they told him. Not sure what the way to tell him was, he was traded when he wasn't with the team, so were they supposed to dispatch someone to him? Or have him fly in to give him the bad news?
so yeah he has a right to be bitter with no phone call.
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How about his lack of communication when he decided to go blow half his hand off? If I remember correctly he wasn't exactly singing to the Giants about the issue, instead leaving the Giants brass hanging out to dry
This is a great point. He went dark after the accident and the Giants had no idea what was going on. Where was the communication then? Then he comes back and the Gment give him huge money. He should be thanking the Giants, not feeling slighted.
Exactly.....he should be thankful for what they did for him. They took good care of him and gave him that nice contract, which oh by the way, we are still paying him guaranteed money on! Giants could have cut ties with him after the incident, but it's not the Giant way.
This was really about the money and trade value.
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How about his lack of communication when he decided to go blow half his hand off? If I remember correctly he wasn't exactly singing to the Giants about the issue, instead leaving the Giants brass hanging out to dry
This is a great point. He went dark after the accident and the Giants had no idea what was going on. Where was the communication then? Then he comes back and the Gment give him huge money. He should be thanking the Giants, not feeling slighted.
He was basically in a medically induced coma
Q: The Giants only have 10 sacks as a team and you have eight yourself. Do you feel like that proves that they thought you couldn’t get it done, that maybe they needed what you bring?
A: Numbers speak for themselves. I can’t really say much, but I’m not even worried about the sacks and how much the Giants have on their team. Like I said, I’m just playing some great football and I’m just blessed to be getting the opportunity to keep on playing this game that I love. I’m going to walk away from it when I walk away from it, but until then, I’m just going to keep on being a great player that I am and obviously come Sunday, I’m going to go out there and do what I normally do, go one hundred and ten percent and just fly to the ball.
also had this to say about Eli
Q: What did it mean to you to have Eli Manning call you and was he the only teammate to call you? Also, what would it be like to try to and possibly sack him on Sunday?
A: Eli called me and also Zak DeOssie had texted me. Landon Collins wrote me, a couple guys I was very close to, but with Eli, it’s different because I’ve been there and knowing what he has done, I had the opportunity to actually win a Super Bowl with him and that’s awesome to say that you did that. It meant a lot to me, because Eli is a stand-up, world class guy and no matter what, he’s all about football and he always wants to win. Eli is Eli.
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Bucs might have more sacks, but:
Giants D: 367 ypg, 25.3 ppg
Bucs D: 400 ypg, 32.3 ppg (dead last)
That pretty much sums it up.
Not entirely. One key is TB is -19 in turnover differential. If we can't generate turnovers against them, then Collins and his crew can all be sent packing.
A: Eli called me and also Zak DeOssie had texted me. Landon Collins wrote me, a couple guys I was very close to, but with Eli, it’s different because I’ve been there and knowing what he has done, I had the opportunity to actually win a Super Bowl with him and that’s awesome to say that you did that. It meant a lot to me, because Eli is a stand-up, world class guy and no matter what, he’s all about football and he always wants to win. Eli is Eli.
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He’s right. Still wouldn’t undo that trade
True they couldn't afford that contract, but it would be nice to have SOMEONE on the other side of OV getting some sacks, right now pretty much nothing.
Someone on the other side? Why not demand them from OV himself? His paltry 1 sack on the year is disgraceful.
to be fair he didn't have enough fingers to count
that between JPP Okwara snd Kennard they have 23 sacks .
I think they should have let Vernon go but likely a cap
problem. Whats the over and under on JPP sacks coming back
home ?
Oh wait......
A little sugar coating by the management that let you go and a little comfort from the guys you worked with means a lot.
A little sugar coating by the management that let you go and a little comfort from the guys you worked with means a lot.
Huh? He wasnt cut....he was traded and is still making millions. He was also kind of an asshole towards the end of last season
We don't even make the playoffs in 2011 without him: 93 tackles, 16.5 sacks, 2 forced fumbles. 1 safety, 7 pass defenses. And unless I'm drunk, he blocked the potential game tying field goal in Dallas which if good could have virtually eliminated us from the playoffs.
I mean JPP is 4 passes defended behind Jason Sehorn in team history.
People point to 11, but his awesome 14 was lost in the suck. 12.5 sacks and 21 TOLs.
Tuck obviously has the 2 rings, and had far fewer off-the-field stuff, but goes to show what perception and how good of a team you are on does.
2011 was awesome as this guy was friggin' everywhere on defense (and some special teams).
but alas, that seems like a century ago...
As other have said above, if that's trash talking, the bar for trash talking is set extremely low.
He was outstanding in 2012 too. His QB pressure % was higher than 2011. He just didn’t get the sack numbers but he was outstanding vs pass and run in 2012.
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