bad, just how bad were Greco and Omameh that the line looked much improved, almost good Monday night? I saw less pressure up the middle than in previous games. That is why Eli looked better.
I know you know a hell of a lot more than I do about this, but I thought Brown was decent. Of course, only 10 days with the team could lead to that and hopefully he gets better with familiarity.
That kickoff out of bounds made me crazy. In a close game smh.
Also, how much of the better performance by our OL on Monday Night could be ascribed to the fact that SF is a terrible team, also? Are they supposed to be any good upfront on defense?
That kickoff out of bounds made me crazy. In a close game smh.
Also, how much of the better performance by our OL on Monday Night could be ascribed to the fact that SF is a terrible team, also? Are they supposed to be any good upfront on defense?
FWIW, among equally crappy teams, they got 7 on the Raiders.
I think you'll see him improve as he plays more and gets into game shape. Have to remember he hasn't played a full game since last season. And he was still better than what we've trotted out there all year.
Nice in depth review .
I like your response about winning culture and I agree how
a road win helps the team especially core members .
Also wonder about Shurmer if they come to a point in time to replace him who do you like .
Will the Giants let Collins walk ? You mentioned Jimmy Ward
whats his best spot or is it just having more talent ?
With Tampa coming to town I expect JPP will give it his all.
I also like the fact that We have added both Henderson and Coleman both decent Kick return Players with good speed to add into the offense .
Pass defense is illegal. You can not be too physical with the receivers which makes it easier to get open and going over the middle of the field to make a play is like going to Disneyland now instead of a possible harrowing near death experience it used to be as the law was coming to town in the form of physical DB coming to light a WR up.
In addition, even the rush has to be hesitant to hit the QB fearing a penalty. Wasn't there a penalty for roughing on the Giants in this game? That play looked ok to me. The whole league is geared for offense. You still need some blocking up front as the Giants nave proven. But, passing the ball and playing QB has probably never been easier.
Engram still does not complete running his routes. He stops, turns around and faces the QB. On a few occasions this year, the ball was thrown where it was intended and sailed over his head. Caught a break against the 49ers.
Shepard showed nice speed on the reverse play for big yardage. Hustle play by Pulley on the play- he pancaked a 49er 15-20 yards downfield.
Manning hit several key 3rd down passes and missed another td when Beckham slipped, recovered and then dropped the ball.
Giants game planning is a head scratcher. Giants offense looked best in the Texan, Carolina and 49er games. They rolled Eli to the right or left in those games which helped put points on the board. In all other games, they did not use the rollout plays.
I'll defer to Sy - but that Pulley catch really didn't look Â
legit to me. I only saw the play once, didn't re-watch it, but when he was on the ground it sure looked like Pulley snatched it away after both he and the S were down on the ground.
Worked out in the Giants favor so I'd take it, but it sure seems like they got away with one there (and credit either way to Pulley for the effort/heads-up play).
RE: I'll defer to Sy - but that Pulley catch really didn't look Â
legit to me. I only saw the play once, didn't re-watch it, but when he was on the ground it sure looked like Pulley snatched it away after both he and the S were down on the ground.
Worked out in the Giants favor so I'd take it, but it sure seems like they got away with one there (and credit either way to Pulley for the effort/heads-up play).
That is exactly how I remember it. I was commenting on the game thread regarding Spencer, and wouldn't you know it by the time I submitted my response the next play is Spencer wresting the ball from the defender.
was that they each had it with one arm. On close review, the defender had one arm loose and the ball was trapped to his chest with the other arm. Seeing the loose arm was difficult and only visible from one angle.
Pulley also clearly had an arm loose, but the other arm was right around the ball. Most angles showed the loose arm easily, which gave the impression he didn't catch the ball simultaneously. There was only one angle shown briefly that showed his other arm around (or at least near) the ball.
Because of the angles shown repeatedly it was easy to think that Pulley didn't make the catch. I think if it had been ruled an INT, on review it would have stayed an INT, as there wasn't enough evidence to overturn the INT.
Good review Sy. Thanks!
I'm with you too on the benefits of winning.
On the Brown comments, I thought he looked good through the majority of the game. To me, his poor plays were all later in the game. Can you comment on this at all?
Would have loved to hear your thoughts on Eli's arm strength. Clearly the missed opportunity to OBJ on what would certainly have been a very long TD was due to him having to turn back to the ball. I've started to notice more and more of that. Do you think it's just about accuracy/timing, or could it be that Eli's lost the needed arm strength to make that kind of pass consistently?
Finally your thoughts on Mullen @QB are in line with what I'm starting to think as well. The emphasis on the short passing game and RPO's pay dividends to the QB's who are quick, smart, and accurate. Having the big arm is a huge advantage, but I also think like Coach Shurmur said, it's further down the list of needs for a QB today. Having said that, methinks defenses will ultimately adjust again and it having a strong arm will regain importance. Thoughts?
One comment re Eli's arm strength, I see no difference in the zip on his out throws, which are a better test of arm strength that the deep post. There was some talk about Eli slipping little on the throw or a hand getting in the way, did you see that? Also, aside from that deep throw to OBJ, do you see any other evidence of diminished arm strength?
Thanks
I thought Brown was very good early on, and then faded in the third and fourth quarters. Remember that he had been traveling back and forth between the coasts, hadn't played in a while, and that this was his first game with the Giants. That TD pass to Beckham doesn't happen if Brown doesn't slide over to pick up the blitzer. I was very happy with his performance.
I also liked what I saw from Solder and Wheeler. Haley, Coleman, and SS also played well.
Maybe I am just so used to lousy OLine play, but I thought they played a lot better.
Shoot, we are so conditioned to poor OL play that anything resembling competence stands out. With a short week and the frequent flyer miles he accumulated, it was encouraging especially it was his first game action in a long time. Heck, just picking up that one stunt on the Eli/OBJ TD was enough for DG to consider making it rain.
RE: I'll defer to Sy - but that Pulley catch really didn't look Â
legit to me. I only saw the play once, didn't re-watch it, but when he was on the ground it sure looked like Pulley snatched it away after both he and the S were down on the ground.
Worked out in the Giants favor so I'd take it, but it sure seems like they got away with one there (and credit either way to Pulley for the effort/heads-up play).
No, on replay, Pulley actually got there first and laid out for it.
I agree, the 1st time I saw it I thought he landed on the 9er and yanked it away. But the reverse replay showed Pulley did get it.
He had two TD's, but he had the potential for 5....
The run at the goal line when no one covered OBj....
The pass to OBJ AT THE GOAL LINE where he slipped.....
And the long pass from Eli that was under thrown....rewatching it, Eli did not step into it, it was off his back foot, because of a chuck and duck move caused by the rush....
AS for Brown, disappointed in his run blocking.....he missed a few blocks, but it was his first game with this line....he did pick pick up a stunt on the first OBj TD pass.....
It boggles my mind that Eli still throws passes to guys on third down, short of the first, that ARE NOT MOVING!!!!!!!
As for Barkley, how the hell does this guy have 586 yards with this OL? It's just short of amazing...
Clearly the missed opportunity to OBJ on what would certainly have been a very long TD was due to him having to turn back to the ball.
Just rewatched this play. Not sure after second view if it's really fair to criticize Eli's arm strength on this one. Maybe his timing. Want to guess how far Eli actually got this ball to go? He launched it from the 15 and it came down past the SF 30. That's >55 yds. Add in more yardage because of the diagonal direction and it's got pretty good distance. If anything the criticism might be that Eli put too much air under it or that he should have let it fly a little earlier. He would have had to put it >65 yds for OBJ to catch it on the run.
Not being able to throw it >65 yards =/= a weak arm imo.
bad, just how bad were Greco and Omameh that the line looked much improved, almost good Monday night? I saw less pressure up the middle than in previous games. That is why Eli looked better.
I know you know a hell of a lot more than I do about this, but I thought Brown was decent. Of course, only 10 days with the team could lead to that and hopefully he gets better with familiarity.
Thanks Sy.
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The bar was set so low by the recent NYG right guards. Brown did play better than previous guys, but it was still a negative grade overall.
That kickoff out of bounds made me crazy. In a close game smh.
Also, how much of the better performance by our OL on Monday Night could be ascribed to the fact that SF is a terrible team, also? Are they supposed to be any good upfront on defense?
They are a middle of the line group up front. Buckner is one of the league's best. Watson is very underrated.
Nice in depth review .
I like your response about winning culture and I agree how
a road win helps the team especially core members .
Also wonder about Shurmer if they come to a point in time to replace him who do you like .
Will the Giants let Collins walk ? You mentioned Jimmy Ward
whats his best spot or is it just having more talent ?
With Tampa coming to town I expect JPP will give it his all.
I also like the fact that We have added both Henderson and Coleman both decent Kick return Players with good speed to add into the offense .
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I think NYG is going to re-sign Collins to a big deal.
Ward is a nice fit at FS...good range, good tackler, good angles in pursuit, versatile.
One comment re Eli's arm strength, I see no difference in the zip on his out throws, which are a better test of arm strength that the deep post. There was some talk about Eli slipping little on the throw or a hand getting in the way, did you see that? Also, aside from that deep throw to OBJ, do you see any other evidence of diminished arm strength?
Thanks
The biggest sign of loss of arm strength from Eli is too much loft on his deep ball. He doesn't drive it like he used to.
One comment re Eli's arm strength, I see no difference in the zip on his out throws, which are a better test of arm strength that the deep post. There was some talk about Eli slipping little on the throw or a hand getting in the way, did you see that? Also, aside from that deep throw to OBJ, do you see any other evidence of diminished arm strength?
Thanks
The biggest sign of loss of arm strength from Eli is too much loft on his deep ball. He doesn't drive it like he used to.
Sy, when he threw that ball I saw right away he threw it way to high. Like he was throwing a punt as you would do in practice. It wasn't his normal throwing motion. I actually think he tried getting too much air under the ball to allow OBJ to run under it. It looked to be a conscious effort. You may well be right, but I think it was a misjudgement on the distance required. I never looked to see how far the ball was actually airborne.
I’ve really enjoyed Sy’s write ups. I feel like we watch the same game. I like when he sprinkles in thoughts about the other team’s efforts.
On this game, I would also add that Kittles did a number on Collins in the run game too. Kittles is the real deal.
I like Collins but I think he’s expendable.
Kittle is a very good overall player. He came out of nowhere in the pre-draft process and I think he will me mentioned among the best TE in the game within a year or 2.
Pro Football Focus was all over Kittle pre-draft. Â
3. Will make Day-3 projection look comical — George Kittle, Iowa TE
Liskiewitz — For whatever reason, George Kittle seems to not be getting the respect. Now, I don’t care so much where he gets picked. If he does go Day 3 or deep into Day 2 where he belongs…when you look at this guy’s full skill-set, he just screams that he’s going to be a better NFL player than he was in college.
He wasn’t used properly in the receiving game. He’s an excellent blocker, especially in movement schemes like teams that run a lot of outside zone. I think he’s gonna be fantastic in that capacity, and that’s super, super valuable…he’s such a valuable player. I think he’s gonna make teams look silly if they pass on him.
-The best part of this game was simple. NYG played really, really hard. Offensively and defensively, they hustled and played like they were still in it. I am old school in that I think winning culture is as vital to sustained success as the personnel. Sure, everyone wants a top 5 pick in the draft but winning games provides value as well, value that can translate to success in 2019. This whole “8 game season” they are talking about is important.
Is that they played really really hard, got the best game of the season from their weakest areas, got a lot of lucky breaks including two gift turnovers, and squeezed out a win at the final 2 minutes against a fellow 2-win team.
bad, just how bad were Greco and Omameh that the line looked much improved, almost good Monday night? I saw less pressure up the middle than in previous games. That is why Eli looked better.
I know you know a hell of a lot more than I do about this, but I thought Brown was decent. Of course, only 10 days with the team could lead to that and hopefully he gets better with familiarity.
Thanks Sy.
I'm with you on this. I was live at the Cowboys and Texans games and our C and RG had no clue. They couldn't pick up one guy let alone adjust for the stunt. Brown is light years better. He elevated Wheeler and the rest of the line.
While not the missing piece, he makes this line decent.
Is that they played really really hard, got the best game of the season from their weakest areas, got a lot of lucky breaks including two gift turnovers, and squeezed out a win at the final 2 minutes against a fellow 2-win team.
I know that you really enjoy playing devils advocate to everything, but that really isn't a flip side. The point was just that they played hard and won, and that its important moving forward. Every team gets lucky breaks in every single game and in a game between two awful teams someone had to win. It's just nice to see they're still competitive and buying in, unlike last year where they got blown out every week or had given up by half time.
Is that they played really really hard, got the best game of the season from their weakest areas, got a lot of lucky breaks including two gift turnovers, and squeezed out a win at the final 2 minutes against a fellow 2-win team.
I know that you really enjoy playing devils advocate to everything, but that really isn't a flip side. The point was just that they played hard and won, and that its important moving forward. Every team gets lucky breaks in every single game and in a game between two awful teams someone had to win. It's just nice to see they're still competitive and buying in, unlike last year where they got blown out every week or had given up by half time.
Especially if you contrast the result to last year's SF game. Many thought we were going to have the same kind of game.
throw ball to Barkley that didn't end up being an Int was indeed the difference. Problem is he's good for at least one of these per game. 5 Years ago he would have made up for it by hitting OBJ in stride for a 75 yard TD - now that ball is under thrown by 5-10 yards. As much as I've loved Eli over the past 10 years, I'm personally looking forward to moving on - very frustrating to watch, and listen to all the commentary regarding Eli's status every single week.
Nice overall review, but definitely not a Dud especially since he was very responsible for Eli’s First TD. And we all agree it was the best job by a Giants RG the entire season.
His addition will give Eli more confidence in upcoming games.
Nice overall review, but definitely not a Dud especially since he was very responsible for Eli’s First TD. And we all agree it was the best job by a Giants RG the entire season.
His addition will give Eli more confidence in upcoming games.
Best job by a RG this season isn't a high barometer for success.
He had a penalty, a sack, a TFL, and a pressure. And NYG had issues running right, mainly because of him and Pulley. That certainly warrants a dud.
Is that they played really really hard, got the best game of the season from their weakest areas, got a lot of lucky breaks including two gift turnovers, and squeezed out a win at the final 2 minutes against a fellow 2-win team.
I know that you really enjoy playing devils advocate to everything, but that really isn't a flip side. The point was just that they played hard and won, and that its important moving forward. Every team gets lucky breaks in every single game and in a game between two awful teams someone had to win. It's just nice to see they're still competitive and buying in, unlike last year where they got blown out every week or had given up by half time.
They played pretty hard last season too, Rams game aside which they were simply not a match for. They were just a bad football team. These scores are not blowouts. The average NFL team scores 24 points per game. It's a fan thing to do to misremember a bad season as if it was just a team that doesn't mentally know how to win and quit.
They allowed 4 teams to score 30 or more last season in a quit year. This year, if they're fighting harder, they've still already allowed 3 such games.
The point has been made in this thread that the team is playing hard. Â
Is that they played really really hard, got the best game of the season from their weakest areas, got a lot of lucky breaks including two gift turnovers, and squeezed out a win at the final 2 minutes against a fellow 2-win team.
I know that you really enjoy playing devils advocate to everything, but that really isn't a flip side. The point was just that they played hard and won, and that its important moving forward. Every team gets lucky breaks in every single game and in a game between two awful teams someone had to win. It's just nice to see they're still competitive and buying in, unlike last year where they got blown out every week or had given up by half time.
They played pretty hard last season too, Rams game aside which they were simply not a match for. They were just a bad football team. These scores are not blowouts. The average NFL team scores 24 points per game.
It's a fan thing to do to misremember a bad season as if it was just a team that doesn't mentally know how to win and quit.
They allowed 4 teams to score 30 or more last season in a quit year. This year, if they're fighting harder, they've still already allowed 3 such games.
Who cares how many points they scored or allowed the opponent to score? You're doing that thing you do where you nitpick at a general statement from an entire post and try to create an entirely seperate argument around it. If you don't know that McAdoo lost the locker rooom last year and the team quit on him and generally didn't play hard, then you weren't paying attention. Its not "misremembering" anything. There are plenty of reports for you to turn back to from last season if you want. Its fairly obvious the team is still buying what Shurmur is selling for the time being and I'd like to see it continue, unlike last season.
I know you know a hell of a lot more than I do about this, but I thought Brown was decent. Of course, only 10 days with the team could lead to that and hopefully he gets better with familiarity.
Thanks Sy.
That kickoff out of bounds made me crazy. In a close game smh.
Also, how much of the better performance by our OL on Monday Night could be ascribed to the fact that SF is a terrible team, also? Are they supposed to be any good upfront on defense?
That kickoff out of bounds made me crazy. In a close game smh.
Also, how much of the better performance by our OL on Monday Night could be ascribed to the fact that SF is a terrible team, also? Are they supposed to be any good upfront on defense?
FWIW, among equally crappy teams, they got 7 on the Raiders.
I like your response about winning culture and I agree how
a road win helps the team especially core members .
Also wonder about Shurmer if they come to a point in time to replace him who do you like .
Will the Giants let Collins walk ? You mentioned Jimmy Ward
whats his best spot or is it just having more talent ?
With Tampa coming to town I expect JPP will give it his all.
I also like the fact that We have added both Henderson and Coleman both decent Kick return Players with good speed to add into the offense .
In addition, even the rush has to be hesitant to hit the QB fearing a penalty. Wasn't there a penalty for roughing on the Giants in this game? That play looked ok to me. The whole league is geared for offense. You still need some blocking up front as the Giants nave proven. But, passing the ball and playing QB has probably never been easier.
...wondering if our rookie Left Guard has gotten too top-heavy? He's listed at 327. It all looks like it's from the waist up!
Engram still does not complete running his routes. He stops, turns around and faces the QB. On a few occasions this year, the ball was thrown where it was intended and sailed over his head. Caught a break against the 49ers.
Shepard showed nice speed on the reverse play for big yardage. Hustle play by Pulley on the play- he pancaked a 49er 15-20 yards downfield.
Manning hit several key 3rd down passes and missed another td when Beckham slipped, recovered and then dropped the ball.
Giants game planning is a head scratcher. Giants offense looked best in the Texan, Carolina and 49er games. They rolled Eli to the right or left in those games which helped put points on the board. In all other games, they did not use the rollout plays.
Worked out in the Giants favor so I'd take it, but it sure seems like they got away with one there (and credit either way to Pulley for the effort/heads-up play).
Worked out in the Giants favor so I'd take it, but it sure seems like they got away with one there (and credit either way to Pulley for the effort/heads-up play).
That is exactly how I remember it. I was commenting on the game thread regarding Spencer, and wouldn't you know it by the time I submitted my response the next play is Spencer wresting the ball from the defender.
Pulley also clearly had an arm loose, but the other arm was right around the ball. Most angles showed the loose arm easily, which gave the impression he didn't catch the ball simultaneously. There was only one angle shown briefly that showed his other arm around (or at least near) the ball.
Because of the angles shown repeatedly it was easy to think that Pulley didn't make the catch. I think if it had been ruled an INT, on review it would have stayed an INT, as there wasn't enough evidence to overturn the INT.
Good review Sy. Thanks!
I'm with you too on the benefits of winning.
On the Brown comments, I thought he looked good through the majority of the game. To me, his poor plays were all later in the game. Can you comment on this at all?
Would have loved to hear your thoughts on Eli's arm strength. Clearly the missed opportunity to OBJ on what would certainly have been a very long TD was due to him having to turn back to the ball. I've started to notice more and more of that. Do you think it's just about accuracy/timing, or could it be that Eli's lost the needed arm strength to make that kind of pass consistently?
Finally your thoughts on Mullen @QB are in line with what I'm starting to think as well. The emphasis on the short passing game and RPO's pay dividends to the QB's who are quick, smart, and accurate. Having the big arm is a huge advantage, but I also think like Coach Shurmur said, it's further down the list of needs for a QB today. Having said that, methinks defenses will ultimately adjust again and it having a strong arm will regain importance. Thoughts?
One comment re Eli's arm strength, I see no difference in the zip on his out throws, which are a better test of arm strength that the deep post. There was some talk about Eli slipping little on the throw or a hand getting in the way, did you see that? Also, aside from that deep throw to OBJ, do you see any other evidence of diminished arm strength?
Thanks
I thought Brown was very good early on, and then faded in the third and fourth quarters. Remember that he had been traveling back and forth between the coasts, hadn't played in a while, and that this was his first game with the Giants. That TD pass to Beckham doesn't happen if Brown doesn't slide over to pick up the blitzer. I was very happy with his performance.
I also liked what I saw from Solder and Wheeler. Haley, Coleman, and SS also played well.
2 in a row would be nice
Shoot, we are so conditioned to poor OL play that anything resembling competence stands out. With a short week and the frequent flyer miles he accumulated, it was encouraging especially it was his first game action in a long time. Heck, just picking up that one stunt on the Eli/OBJ TD was enough for DG to consider making it rain.
Worked out in the Giants favor so I'd take it, but it sure seems like they got away with one there (and credit either way to Pulley for the effort/heads-up play).
No, on replay, Pulley actually got there first and laid out for it.
I agree, the 1st time I saw it I thought he landed on the 9er and yanked it away. But the reverse replay showed Pulley did get it.
He had two TD's, but he had the potential for 5....
The run at the goal line when no one covered OBj....
The pass to OBJ AT THE GOAL LINE where he slipped.....
And the long pass from Eli that was under thrown....rewatching it, Eli did not step into it, it was off his back foot, because of a chuck and duck move caused by the rush....
AS for Brown, disappointed in his run blocking.....he missed a few blocks, but it was his first game with this line....he did pick pick up a stunt on the first OBj TD pass.....
It boggles my mind that Eli still throws passes to guys on third down, short of the first, that ARE NOT MOVING!!!!!!!
As for Barkley, how the hell does this guy have 586 yards with this OL? It's just short of amazing...
Just rewatched this play. Not sure after second view if it's really fair to criticize Eli's arm strength on this one. Maybe his timing. Want to guess how far Eli actually got this ball to go? He launched it from the 15 and it came down past the SF 30. That's >55 yds. Add in more yardage because of the diagonal direction and it's got pretty good distance. If anything the criticism might be that Eli put too much air under it or that he should have let it fly a little earlier. He would have had to put it >65 yds for OBJ to catch it on the run.
Not being able to throw it >65 yards =/= a weak arm imo.
I know you know a hell of a lot more than I do about this, but I thought Brown was decent. Of course, only 10 days with the team could lead to that and hopefully he gets better with familiarity.
Thanks Sy.
The bar was set so low by the recent NYG right guards. Brown did play better than previous guys, but it was still a negative grade overall.
That kickoff out of bounds made me crazy. In a close game smh.
Also, how much of the better performance by our OL on Monday Night could be ascribed to the fact that SF is a terrible team, also? Are they supposed to be any good upfront on defense?
They are a middle of the line group up front. Buckner is one of the league's best. Watson is very underrated.
I like your response about winning culture and I agree how
a road win helps the team especially core members .
Also wonder about Shurmer if they come to a point in time to replace him who do you like .
Will the Giants let Collins walk ? You mentioned Jimmy Ward
whats his best spot or is it just having more talent ?
With Tampa coming to town I expect JPP will give it his all.
I also like the fact that We have added both Henderson and Coleman both decent Kick return Players with good speed to add into the offense .
I think NYG is going to re-sign Collins to a big deal.
Ward is a nice fit at FS...good range, good tackler, good angles in pursuit, versatile.
...wondering if our rookie Left Guard has gotten too top-heavy? He's listed at 327. It all looks like it's from the waist up!
That is his natural build. Wouldn't be concerned with that...but he does need to move his feet better. Ability is there, but the skill set isn't yet
One comment re Eli's arm strength, I see no difference in the zip on his out throws, which are a better test of arm strength that the deep post. There was some talk about Eli slipping little on the throw or a hand getting in the way, did you see that? Also, aside from that deep throw to OBJ, do you see any other evidence of diminished arm strength?
Thanks
The biggest sign of loss of arm strength from Eli is too much loft on his deep ball. He doesn't drive it like he used to.
On this game, I would also add that Kittles did a number on Collins in the run game too. Kittles is the real deal.
I like Collins but I think he’s expendable.
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great review as usual.
One comment re Eli's arm strength, I see no difference in the zip on his out throws, which are a better test of arm strength that the deep post. There was some talk about Eli slipping little on the throw or a hand getting in the way, did you see that? Also, aside from that deep throw to OBJ, do you see any other evidence of diminished arm strength?
Thanks
The biggest sign of loss of arm strength from Eli is too much loft on his deep ball. He doesn't drive it like he used to.
Sy, when he threw that ball I saw right away he threw it way to high. Like he was throwing a punt as you would do in practice. It wasn't his normal throwing motion. I actually think he tried getting too much air under the ball to allow OBJ to run under it. It looked to be a conscious effort. You may well be right, but I think it was a misjudgement on the distance required. I never looked to see how far the ball was actually airborne.
On this game, I would also add that Kittles did a number on Collins in the run game too. Kittles is the real deal.
I like Collins but I think he’s expendable.
Kittle is a very good overall player. He came out of nowhere in the pre-draft process and I think he will me mentioned among the best TE in the game within a year or 2.
3. Will make Day-3 projection look comical — George Kittle, Iowa TE
Liskiewitz — For whatever reason, George Kittle seems to not be getting the respect. Now, I don’t care so much where he gets picked. If he does go Day 3 or deep into Day 2 where he belongs…when you look at this guy’s full skill-set, he just screams that he’s going to be a better NFL player than he was in college.
He wasn’t used properly in the receiving game. He’s an excellent blocker, especially in movement schemes like teams that run a lot of outside zone. I think he’s gonna be fantastic in that capacity, and that’s super, super valuable…he’s such a valuable player. I think he’s gonna make teams look silly if they pass on him.
I know you know a hell of a lot more than I do about this, but I thought Brown was decent. Of course, only 10 days with the team could lead to that and hopefully he gets better with familiarity.
Thanks Sy.
I'm with you on this. I was live at the Cowboys and Texans games and our C and RG had no clue. They couldn't pick up one guy let alone adjust for the stunt. Brown is light years better. He elevated Wheeler and the rest of the line.
While not the missing piece, he makes this line decent.
I know that you really enjoy playing devils advocate to everything, but that really isn't a flip side. The point was just that they played hard and won, and that its important moving forward. Every team gets lucky breaks in every single game and in a game between two awful teams someone had to win. It's just nice to see they're still competitive and buying in, unlike last year where they got blown out every week or had given up by half time.
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Is that they played really really hard, got the best game of the season from their weakest areas, got a lot of lucky breaks including two gift turnovers, and squeezed out a win at the final 2 minutes against a fellow 2-win team.
I know that you really enjoy playing devils advocate to everything, but that really isn't a flip side. The point was just that they played hard and won, and that its important moving forward. Every team gets lucky breaks in every single game and in a game between two awful teams someone had to win. It's just nice to see they're still competitive and buying in, unlike last year where they got blown out every week or had given up by half time.
Especially if you contrast the result to last year's SF game. Many thought we were going to have the same kind of game.
His addition will give Eli more confidence in upcoming games.
His addition will give Eli more confidence in upcoming games.
Best job by a RG this season isn't a high barometer for success.
He had a penalty, a sack, a TFL, and a pressure. And NYG had issues running right, mainly because of him and Pulley. That certainly warrants a dud.
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Is that they played really really hard, got the best game of the season from their weakest areas, got a lot of lucky breaks including two gift turnovers, and squeezed out a win at the final 2 minutes against a fellow 2-win team.
I know that you really enjoy playing devils advocate to everything, but that really isn't a flip side. The point was just that they played hard and won, and that its important moving forward. Every team gets lucky breaks in every single game and in a game between two awful teams someone had to win. It's just nice to see they're still competitive and buying in, unlike last year where they got blown out every week or had given up by half time.
They played pretty hard last season too, Rams game aside which they were simply not a match for. They were just a bad football team. These scores are not blowouts. The average NFL team scores 24 points per game.
They allowed 4 teams to score 30 or more last season in a quit year. This year, if they're fighting harder, they've still already allowed 3 such games.
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In comment 14178562 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Is that they played really really hard, got the best game of the season from their weakest areas, got a lot of lucky breaks including two gift turnovers, and squeezed out a win at the final 2 minutes against a fellow 2-win team.
I know that you really enjoy playing devils advocate to everything, but that really isn't a flip side. The point was just that they played hard and won, and that its important moving forward. Every team gets lucky breaks in every single game and in a game between two awful teams someone had to win. It's just nice to see they're still competitive and buying in, unlike last year where they got blown out every week or had given up by half time.
They played pretty hard last season too, Rams game aside which they were simply not a match for. They were just a bad football team. These scores are not blowouts. The average NFL team scores 24 points per game.
It's a fan thing to do to misremember a bad season as if it was just a team that doesn't mentally know how to win and quit.
They allowed 4 teams to score 30 or more last season in a quit year. This year, if they're fighting harder, they've still already allowed 3 such games.
Who cares how many points they scored or allowed the opponent to score? You're doing that thing you do where you nitpick at a general statement from an entire post and try to create an entirely seperate argument around it. If you don't know that McAdoo lost the locker rooom last year and the team quit on him and generally didn't play hard, then you weren't paying attention. Its not "misremembering" anything. There are plenty of reports for you to turn back to from last season if you want. Its fairly obvious the team is still buying what Shurmur is selling for the time being and I'd like to see it continue, unlike last season.