It might be too early to declare Evan Engram a mistake as the 23rd pick of the 2017 draft. Taken as a TE, some here have bemoaned the value. He had what I thought was a pretty solid rookie season with 64 receptions, 722 yards and 6 TDs. The numbers are down this year (6 games, 21 catches for 191 yards and 2 TDs).
Would Engram, with his straight-line speed, make sense as a #3 WR?
He's currently listed at 6-3, 240 pounds, but played at 227 at Ol' Miss. Would it be possible for him to trim back a bit to 230? You'd assume he's worked to add weight, playing the in-line spot. Perhaps in the pro game, he would be better suited away from the line.
There seem to be a lot of decent TEs in college right now, namely the kid from Missouri (Albert Okwuegbunam). He's 6-5, 260 and is said to be a "dangerous mismatch." I'm not at all saying he'd be as good, of course, but Jason Witten played at 6-6, 260-265. Just wonder if one pick might serve two purposes.
In a list of the NFL's top WRs, there are a lot of guys who are considered "big" receivers. It's close to a 50/50 split on guys in OBJ's size ballpark and the larger guys. The Giants have TWO of those "smaller" quick guys in Odell (5-11, 198) and Sterling Shepard (5-10, 201). Get Engram to 230 and ... then what?
Julio Jones 6-3, 220
A.J. Green 6-4, 210
Michael Thomas 6-3, 212
Mike Evans 6-5, 231
Kennan Allen 6-2, 211
Larry Fitz 6-3, 218
Allen Robinson 6-3, 211
Of course the Giants need to go O-line early in the draft. But if they're in the top 3-5 spots, what about trading down to maybe 10 or so, and grabbing Okwuegbunam? Probably wouldn't be there in the second round. Too high a pick to take him? It's all a damn gamble.
A guy his size on the line, though ... to learn from Rhett Ellison, who's signed through 2021?
Might be a way to go.
What say you, bitches?
So many big guys around here. Which one? lol
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The big guy is gonna give you a talking to. A serious talking to.
So many big guys around here. Which one? lol
He's big, he's down south in where he lives rhymes with garlic.
He's referring to FMiC.
FMiC feels strongly against it.
Me on the other hand -- I'd just as much him foucs on catching the ball.
The more practical implication is TEs are splitting time during the week on assignments with the o-line group and the skill groups.
I think he needs a lot of work as a pass catcher, where I think his future is in the NFL.
He might be a beast as a blocker in the WR screen game.
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line him up wide. Why are people so hung up on labels in the NFL? Who gives a shit if he is called a TE or a WR. It is up to our coach to put him in positions to succeed which he really isn't doing. Nothing wrong with using him inline either.
The more practical implication is TEs are splitting time during the week on assignments with the o-line group and the skill groups.
I think he needs a lot of work as a pass catcher, where I think his future is in the NFL.
In today's NFL, practice time is so limited. If that is what is being referred to then he needs to get his ass out there with Beckham and the receivers before practice/games and work on his routes with Eli. But, as others have pointed out, his value is when he is matched up against safeties and LBs. Putting him against corners will not be a good thing. Yes, he needs to stop dropping passes but we are also not featuring him at all. I am very disappointed with Shurmur so far this year. I don't like the way he stacks the box when we want to run all the time. I don't like that he doesn't try to spread out the defense and make them defend the whole field. I don't like that he doesn't stick with the run (we did great in the first half this past game). I don't like that he isn't trying to take advantage of Engram against LBs and safeties. I don't like that he doesn't get Barkley matchups all game long. Barkley is more of a safety valve than a guy that runs his angle route in the middle of the field like we did on the last drive last game.
I will admit that I was very adamant about wanting Shurmur over all other candidates last year but I am not happy with his first year. I hope we see improvement in year two.
And being chosen by the prior regime, he has the remaining second half of this season and next to stake his claim to remain at the top of the Giants TE depth chart. His fifth year option deadline is in May 2020 as he enters his fourth year. The Giants are not going to secure his rights by electing to give him $10.7M when he can't block or catch.
EE is never going to be the 6th OL on the field like we need but, I definitely think he can loose some pounds and at least act like a 3rd WR. He is very fast and has good hands ....but, I don't think it will ever happen. NFL teams are like Congress or an aircraft carrier ... they don't turn on a dime when it comes to strategy and line-up.
This past weekend the Colts scored a TD with Eric Ebron running in a jet sweep. That got me wondering, why isn't Barkley the decoy in that type of play? Either line Barkley up in the backfield and hand it to Engram on the jet sweep, or run Barkley in motion (getting the defense thinking jet sweep) and hand it to Engram as the tailback running away from Barkley.
When we signed Beckham and drafted Barkley it stood to reason that Engram would be a huge beneficiary...he's likely going to be the third defensive priority every time. So why does he have 22 touches in 6 games and only 2 TDs (both of which came in garbage time)?
The offensive line obviously sucks, but I can't see what the coaches are doing to make our explosive players' lives easier.
Not looking at stats. I felt like he was more relevant good or bad
Not looking at stats. I felt like he was more relevant good or bad
Leaping Larry? And by the way, you spelt dumb wrong. I fixed it for you.
He brings almost nothing to the table. A true modern day giants TE.
Fuck I miss Shockey.
I tried to caution many on that, he was like a basketball player who scores 15 points a game on a tank team.
Why? My guesses in order:
1) Our very average passing offense has only just so many targets to go around and OBJ, SB and SS get the lions share.
2) Not sure EE is all that strong a route runner and he certainly doesn't read coverages/zones very well
3) Eli is impatient in that pocket so he isn't waiting for the matchup nightmare to break open
4) this offense stinks...
Second round steal, but just "okay" in First round...
Second round steal, but just "okay" in First round...
Back when we played the Saints, the one announcer had called Evan "Not Ramczyk" Engram.
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Engram was kind of a reach in the first round. Plenty of talent but clear limitations too.
Second round steal, but just "okay" in First round...
Back when we played the Saints, the one announcer had called Evan "Not Ramczyk" Engram.
salt in the wound for sure...
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In comment 14178000 Jimmy Googs said:
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Engram was kind of a reach in the first round. Plenty of talent but clear limitations too.
Second round steal, but just "okay" in First round...
Back when we played the Saints, the one announcer had called Evan "Not Ramczyk" Engram.
salt in the wound for sure...
No worries. We had the best RT in football.
Njoku had nice attributes but also some flaws as well.
Like it or not this seems to be true.
This offense has arguably the scariest set of skill position players ever assembled on the same team and we manage to do little on offense.
Aikman with one of the great lines ever assembled had great success with Irving and Smith and Novachek was a heck a threat as well.
Warner had Bruce, Holt, Faulk with a HOF left tackle.
Eli has Beckham, Barkley and a turnstile OL.
We need a big bull at TE, that can go "mano-a-mano" with defensive lineman and run over tacklers, sort of like the Steelers' Vance McDonald (6'4", 267) ....
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000968730/Vance-McDonald-REFUSES-to-go-down-on-33-yard-catch
And speaking of Bavarro, I couldn't think of a more polar opposite than EE. Great speed, weak game skills. Yes the game has changed completely but one fact tells it all: Bavaro was a fourth round pick