Bell isn't there. The Steelers low balled him on his contract offer so this was the course of action he took. I wouldn't have sat out but I totally get it. For his teammates and coach to handle it this way was just classless. They turned this into more of a story by handling it the way they did. They can blame Bell all they want but they added so much fuel to this fire.
I love how they're mad at him for not risking up to potentially 80 million dollars (I think on open market, at least before this he could've gotten somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 years 100 mil)
So easy to say "just take the 14 mil and be happy" when you're a scrub cake.
I'd have them subpoenaed them for the stolen property just as a 🖕
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Bell isn't there. The Steelers low balled him on his contract offer so this was the course of action he took. I wouldn't have sat out but I totally get it. For his teammates and coach to handle it this way was just classless. They turned this into more of a story by handling it the way they did. They can blame Bell all they want but they added so much fuel to this fire.
. The Steelers didn’t low ball him. He got offered the franchise tag, something the CBA permits and the players agreed to. You can say the players are classless but you have no idea what private remakrs he made to them or assurances he made them. I for one hope he gets a crappy long term offer. Only in the NFL is a one year $14.5 million offer called a low ball.
and then lowballed him. It also wasn’t the first time they used the franchise tag on him. And just because itsnin the CBA doesn’t mean you have to agree with it. He didn’t and he used his right to hold out.
Your post is completely incorrect.
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Bell isn't there. The Steelers low balled him on his contract offer so this was the course of action he took. I wouldn't have sat out but I totally get it. For his teammates and coach to handle it this way was just classless. They turned this into more of a story by handling it the way they did. They can blame Bell all they want but they added so much fuel to this fire.
. The Steelers didn’t low ball him. He got offered the franchise tag, something the CBA permits and the players agreed to. You can say the players are classless but you have no idea what private remakrs he made to them or assurances he made them. I for one hope he gets a crappy long term offer. Only in the NFL is a one year $14.5 million offer called a low ball.
They did low ball him.
Basically 1 year guaranteed money. As a player, especially a RB you need to get as much up front as possible.
He played this the right way and called the Steelers bluff.
He will get a solid deal in FA and more guaranteed.
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Bell isn't there. The Steelers low balled him on his contract offer so this was the course of action he took. I wouldn't have sat out but I totally get it. For his teammates and coach to handle it this way was just classless. They turned this into more of a story by handling it the way they did. They can blame Bell all they want but they added so much fuel to this fire.
. The Steelers didn’t low ball him. He got offered the franchise tag, something the CBA permits and the players agreed to. You can say the players are classless but you have no idea what private remakrs he made to them or assurances he made them. I for one hope he gets a crappy long term offer. Only in the NFL is a one year $14.5 million offer called a low ball.
What the hell are you talking about? One, the FT has nothing to do with the long term contract the Steelers offered. Two, what do private conversations have to do with public statements? Three, Bell doesn't have to reassure anybody. You are ridiculous.
RE: RE: I absolutely hated how the Steelers handled this whole situation. Â
Bell isn't there. The Steelers low balled him on his contract offer so this was the course of action he took. I wouldn't have sat out but I totally get it. For his teammates and coach to handle it this way was just classless. They turned this into more of a story by handling it the way they did. They can blame Bell all they want but they added so much fuel to this fire.
. The Steelers didn’t low ball him. He got offered the franchise tag, something the CBA permits and the players agreed to. You can say the players are classless but you have no idea what private remakrs he made to them or assurances he made them. I for one hope he gets a crappy long term offer. Only in the NFL is a one year $14.5 million offer called a low ball.
Go look at what Dwayne Johnson makes per year and get back to us. And then go look at NBA salaries and MLB salaries. And corporate CEOs. And every actor, musician, or any other entertainer out there.
Only in the NFL? Hardly. It's called supply and demand, despite the fact that the NFL has rules in place to artificially suppress the players' ability to garner their actual free market value.
Don't guys clear out their lockers at the end of the season? Â
From the very first week his own offensive linemen were saying "we're the guys who open the holes for him and you don't see us holding out for 10s of millions of dollars". As though that's at all the point. But yeah, I can't imagine from Bell's perspective wanting to go back into that kind of hateful environment.
I love how they're mad at him for not risking up to potentially 80 million dollars (I think on open market, at least before this he could've gotten somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 years 100 mil)
So easy to say "just take the 14 mil and be happy" when you're a scrub cake.
I'd have them subpoenaed them for the stolen property just as a 🖕
Gurley got 4 years/$60 mil and he's 2.5 years younger than Bell. We're saying Bell is that much better than Gurley, taking shelf life of the position into consideration?
I love how they're mad at him for not risking up to potentially 80 million dollars (I think on open market, at least before this he could've gotten somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 years 100 mil)
So easy to say "just take the 14 mil and be happy" when you're a scrub cake.
I'd have them subpoenaed them for the stolen property just as a 🖕
Gurley got 4 years/$60 mil and he's 2.5 years younger than Bell. We're saying Bell is that much better than Gurley, taking shelf life of the position into consideration?
They offered Bell slightly more than Gurley, he turned it down.
If Bell doesn't play at least 6 games this year, he is not eligible for UFA. That sucks.
The Steelers can still tag him again, but it would cost them $25 million. They could transition tag him, but that only give the Steelers the right to match offers.
Pittsburgh runs their RBs into the ground. They're doing the same with Connor this season. He's going to have 300+ touches this season. Pittsburgh was going to be fine running Bell into the ground till he breaks and then parting ways in the offseason. I can't fault Bell at all.
They offered Bell slightly more than Gurley, he turned it down.
Understood, but that doesn't answer my question. Bell can turn down whatever he wants, but why are we to believe the open market is going to offer him significantly more than Gurley?
I love how they're mad at him for not risking up to potentially 80 million dollars (I think on open market, at least before this he could've gotten somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 years 100 mil)
So easy to say "just take the 14 mil and be happy" when you're a scrub cake.
I'd have them subpoenaed them for the stolen property just as a 🖕
Gurley got 4 years/$60 mil and he's 2.5 years younger than Bell. We're saying Bell is that much better than Gurley, taking shelf life of the position into consideration?
They offered Bell slightly more than Gurley, he turned it down.
Guaranteed money was 10 million. Unless I read this article wrong.
They offered Bell slightly more than Gurley, he turned it down.
Understood, but that doesn't answer my question. Bell can turn down whatever he wants, but why are we to believe the open market is going to offer him significantly more than Gurley?
Gurley's deal was 45 mil guaranteed.
Bell's was 10 million guaranteed.
Steelers were playing games and got called on it.
Barkley's deal had more guaranteed momey 31 million
35 million in the first two years of the contract all but guaranteeing it. However it wasn’t fully guaranteed so he was probably correct to turn it down. Pissing away the money from the FT if he had shown up is a totally different story. He was complaining a lot the season prior and threatening to retire. My guess would be that lead some issues between him and other players. That doesn’t make either side correct, but guys are playing for a lot less than Bell and it probably doesn’t make him popular among the locker room. Regardless, I dont think the FT is as evil as it’s made out to be, it gives teams the opportunity to keep their stars and prevent players from just going wherever they want. Fans and especially young fans like to have their favorite player on their team. I could definitely understand raising the pay on it but NFL parity is much better than any other sport because of things like this.
In the end I am not feeling bad for anyone that walks away from 15 million or whatever it was. The player certainly deserves to attempt to make as much money as possible in the time he has and I don’t fault them for whatever they have to do, but at the same time I don’t want to watch the NFL lose it’s ability for teams to compete. If the game became like the NBA or MLB it would lose a lot of fans and the players would in turn get paid less. The MLB and NBA has much longer seasons and substantially less players, which makes the cost/value of players much different.
Who was repping the cleats he stole from the locker came off ghetto AF. Yea I said it. Bell got those cleats for free most likely. That dude is just prob a vet min shit heel who comes off as reminiscent of DaMontre Moore
Who was repping the cleats he stole from the locker came off ghetto AF. Yea I said it. Bell got those cleats for free most likely. That dude is just prob a vet min shit heel who comes off as reminiscent of DaMontre Moore
Moore is a bozo, but that other bozo stole headphones that were suppose to go to him.
His teammates were pissed. It is about business but it is also about team. He would have been the highest paid back in the league. But that wasn't good enough for him. He left his team out to dry. But it didn't work because the kid is good. Not great like him, but they don't need great. Good luck to him. If Jerry didn't have Zeke, he would pony up. I don't think he is going to get what he thinks he is worth. somebody will pay him. But not what he wants. And watch, he will get hurt.
Bell will never make up that 14.5 million he gave away Â
Conner has out played Bell this year compared to last year. It's the Steelers system and Conner has exposed it.
An NFL team would be moronic to pay him huge money.
Bell will NEVER put up numbers close to what he had with the steelers with another team.
I have no idea what posts like this mean. Unless you can guarantee he wouldn’t have gotten hurt this year how will he not make that money up? The entire point of the hold out was to get 2-3x that in guarantees - will that not happen now?
my bet Bell told his teammates take what you want they won't let me back in the locker room. And if there was something in there he did want he probably told someone so they could get it for him. My guess some of that ends up back with Bell.
RE: They didn't lowball him. He wouldn't except the franchise tag. Also, Â
my bet Bell told his teammates take what you want they won't let me back in the locker room. And if there was something in there he did want he probably told someone so they could get it for him. My guess some of that ends up back with Bell.
The franchise tag offer is separate from their contract negotiations, they aren’t the same thing. Both occured and the tag came after the initial talks multiple seasons in a row.
Who was repping the cleats he stole from the locker came off ghetto AF. Yea I said it. Bell got those cleats for free most likely. That dude is just prob a vet min shit heel who comes off as reminiscent of DaMontre Moore
It looked to me that they were just having a little fun and yukking it up pretending to take things from his locker. Or you could look at it as something sinister going on.
of his hold out, but the business side says that he just forfeited $17M that he will not makeup in a future contract with another team. That's lot of cheddar to piss away to make a point.
The Steelers definitely low-balled him on the LT Â
contract offer, guaranteeing only a small portion of the contract.
However, if he had signed his FT, the second one in a row, he would have earned over $27M guaranteed over the past two years. I'm never one to say how much money is enough for someone else, that's not for me to sa.
but, I have a hard time getting weepy for poor Le'Veon Bell and hating on the evil NFL owners.
His Steelers teammates raiding his locker is low class and a reflection of them, but I don't necessarily blame the Steelers organization for that. That's on the players, even if the organization set a contentious tone.
than the fact that Bell was holding out. It's rare for teammates to criticize other players' contracts.
I don't really get why they don't see how this affects them. All players benefit when contracts rise.
But what this does demonstrate is how the NFL will probably never, ever lose a labor dispute. This is the player's union shooting itself in the foot like it always does.
of his hold out, but the business side says that he just forfeited $17M that he will not makeup in a future contract with another team. That's lot of cheddar to piss away to make a point.
Yes that would be the case if everything went well.. but what if Steelers ran him into the ground like they were going to do.. he had more than 400+ touches last 2 years.. god forbid he got a serious injury.. then that $14.5M would be all he would've ever made.. so in this situation at least he can pretty much ensure he will make way more than $14.5M he left on the table..
RE: The Steelers definitely low-balled him on the LT Â
contract offer, guaranteeing only a small portion of the contract.
However, if he had signed his FT, the second one in a row, he would have earned over $27M guaranteed over the past two years. I'm never one to say how much money is enough for someone else, that's not for me to sa.
but, I have a hard time getting weepy for poor Le'Veon Bell and hating on the evil NFL owners.
His Steelers teammates raiding his locker is low class and a reflection of them, but I don't necessarily blame the Steelers organization for that. That's on the players, even if the organization set a contentious tone.
You are looking at it from your perspective, try looking from his. Yeah $27M is a shitload, but he didn't know that's how it would work out before the first tag. If he knew he was getting a 2 year $27M gtd deal, he may have taken it! He was on a year to year deal handling the ball 400 times a season. He sees everyone else in the league getting paid massive money, yet nobody is asked to do what he's doing for his team. 400 touches a year with 11 guys trying to kill you on every touch. NO other position is like that. He's a hit away from making $0 for the rest of his career. If anyone should get some security, it's a RB that does what he's asked to do.
The Steelers offer was a joke. None of the money matters except the gtd amount. That's all any player cares about, specifically a RB. The Steelers are lucky that most people have no idea how contracts in the NFL really work(see this thread).
was not that he was wrong for doing it. My whole thing was that if Conner came in and performed well, it would not be a good thing for Bell's future negotiations with the Steelers or any other team.
Not that Bell is not a talented back. However, if you look over the last few years whenever ANYONE stepped in for Bell whether it was Conner or even Deangelo Williams, the replacement performed extremely well.
So, you have to ask yourself how much of Bell's success has been tied to the OL, the scheme, etc. With that in mind, is Bell really worth the money he is asking especially when you consider that he already has two substance suspensions. For me... the answer is no. Let's see what the market says now that Conner came in and turned into one of the top producing backs in the league this year.
They did what the CBA allowed them to. I am sure the players will try to negotiate differently when they next contract come up.
I really thought the Giants were going to do this with Beckham.
They absolutely did. While they did screw LB by franchising him, they were well within their rights to do it. Bell was also well within in his rights in the CBA to do what he did. Good for him, he's going to get things changed for future RB's.
I mean look at what transpired this year. They found a guy who is doing almost as well as Bell at a mere fraction of the price. Now, lets be real - no way Pitt knew Connor would be this good. But it is what it is at this point.
But its obvious that Pitt didnt see the value in Bell that Bell saw. Bell played a very risky game. Deep down Bell figured Pitt would struggle without him and he would come in and save the day where he would get paid.
But it didnt happen. Pittsburgh won this standoff big time. I bet ownership and Tomlin are happy they didnt sign him long term.
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was not that he was wrong for doing it. My whole thing was that if Conner came in and performed well, it would not be a good thing for Bell's future negotiations with the Steelers or any other team.
Not that Bell is not a talented back. However, if you look over the last few years whenever ANYONE stepped in for Bell whether it was Conner or even Deangelo Williams, the replacement performed extremely well.
So, you have to ask yourself how much of Bell's success has been tied to the OL, the scheme, etc. With that in mind, is Bell really worth the money he is asking especially when you consider that he already has two substance suspensions. For me... the answer is no. Let's see what the market says now that Conner came in and turned into one of the top producing backs in the league this year.
All you need is one team. I assure you that some team with massive cap space will give him big money and bet that his talents transcend systems and teams. I think the Steelers are built for any back to have some level of success, but I also think Bell will succeed on any offense that knows how to use his talents, specifically his pass catching abilities. He's just not a smash mouth runner so any team that signs him to do that might have a problem.
I mean look at what transpired this year. They found a guy who is doing almost as well as Bell at a mere fraction of the price. Now, lets be real - no way Pitt knew Connor would be this good. But it is what it is at this point.
But its obvious that Pitt didnt see the value in Bell that Bell saw. Bell played a very risky game. Deep down Bell figured Pitt would struggle without him and he would come in and save the day where he would get paid.
But it didnt happen. Pittsburgh won this standoff big time. I bet ownership and Tomlin are happy they didnt sign him long term.
Both can be correct. Yes, the steelers offer was a joke. Yes, they were smart not to cave into his demands and give Bell big money. They should have traded him or let him walk after they couldn't agree on a long term deal. Instead, they chose to put LB in a really bad situation(again). A one year deal for a RB asked to touch the ball 400 times is a bad situation.
it seems like some of you are taking this personally Â
if a player thinks he's worth something and knows he'd get it if he were a RFA, who are you to say its a stupid decision? You also aren't privy to either the accurate contract details or the conversations that are happening.
If Bell feels the Steelers gave him a shit offer then he's betting on himself in FA which is his right. I respect him for doing that because not many players would.
The CBA sucks.
In retrospect, my personal opinion is now that Bell wanted out of Â
Pittsburgh. So this is the vehicle he used. I believe if he really wanted to end his career there he would have negotiated a deal to stay. He would have given a little here, and they would have closed a deal. I think he'd rather sit at home than play in Pittsburgh.
So in my mind its less about the money than about him wanting to go somewhere else.
with the Steelers not agreeing on the value. Just because they don't want to pay it doesn't mean they don't think he should get that money. Agree on worth and agreeing on price are two different conversations.
RE: RE: The Steelers definitely low-balled him on the LT Â
contract offer, guaranteeing only a small portion of the contract.
However, if he had signed his FT, the second one in a row, he would have earned over $27M guaranteed over the past two years. I'm never one to say how much money is enough for someone else, that's not for me to sa.
but, I have a hard time getting weepy for poor Le'Veon Bell and hating on the evil NFL owners.
His Steelers teammates raiding his locker is low class and a reflection of them, but I don't necessarily blame the Steelers organization for that. That's on the players, even if the organization set a contentious tone.
You are looking at it from your perspective, try looking from his. Yeah $27M is a shitload, but he didn't know that's how it would work out before the first tag. If he knew he was getting a 2 year $27M gtd deal, he may have taken it! He was on a year to year deal handling the ball 400 times a season. He sees everyone else in the league getting paid massive money, yet nobody is asked to do what he's doing for his team. 400 touches a year with 11 guys trying to kill you on every touch. NO other position is like that. He's a hit away from making $0 for the rest of his career. If anyone should get some security, it's a RB that does what he's asked to do.
The Steelers offer was a joke. None of the money matters except the gtd amount. That's all any player cares about, specifically a RB. The Steelers are lucky that most people have no idea how contracts in the NFL really work(see this thread).
I understand exactly how NFL contracts work. I already said the Steelers low-balled him guaranteeing only a small portion of the LT contract offer. Almost everyone who wants to understands how contracts and guaranteed $$$ work; it's not a hard concept.
Once 2017 ended and he was franchised again in 2018 he knew exactly what he was looking at, $27M guaranteed over a 2 year period. Sure, one of the years was history and he could choose to only look forward and set his own value, and that's what he did.
He chose not to sign the tag, well within his rights and I don't begrudge him that one bit. Good for him having principles. I admire that and I never commented negatively once on Bell not signing the tag - other than to point out how much money the tag would have earned him over his career.
What I did say is that I personally won't make it seem like the big evil NFL crushing the dreams of a young kid trying to make it on the football field.
$15M, just this year's would-be salary, is more than probably 99% of NFL players would make in their entire careers. and that says nothing about the $12M he made in 2017 or the almost $4M from his rookie deal.
If he feels he's worth more guaranteed $$$ he can do what he's done and find out, and I don't need to be empathetic nor do I need to be sympathetic.
and this has zero to do with his teammates ransacking his locker.
RE: In retrospect, my personal opinion is now that Bell wanted out of Â
Pittsburgh. So this is the vehicle he used. I believe if he really wanted to end his career there he would have negotiated a deal to stay. He would have given a little here, and they would have closed a deal. I think he'd rather sit at home than play in Pittsburgh.
So in my mind its less about the money than about him wanting to go somewhere else.
I think your opinion all over this thread is way off. Bell wanted long term security, the team was unwilling to give it. It's that simple. The Steelers weren't even close to where they needed to be and they have proven over and over again that they won't cave on gtd money. Look at all the other contracts on the team. Very little gtd money in comparison to their peers.
LB looks at himself as a WR/RB hybrid and look at what some of these WR's are making. OBJ just got $65M gtd! Bell is looking at that like....I catch just as many balls as him and I run the ball 350 times and they are offering me $30M gtd?? Barkley was just drafted at #2 and got $31.2M gtd and hasn't touched the ball yet and LB is being offered $30M gtd?? GTFO.
I love how they're mad at him for not risking up to potentially 80 million dollars (I think on open market, at least before this he could've gotten somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 years 100 mil)
So easy to say "just take the 14 mil and be happy" when you're a scrub cake.
I'd have them subpoenaed them for the stolen property just as a 🖕
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Bell isn't there. The Steelers low balled him on his contract offer so this was the course of action he took. I wouldn't have sat out but I totally get it. For his teammates and coach to handle it this way was just classless. They turned this into more of a story by handling it the way they did. They can blame Bell all they want but they added so much fuel to this fire.
. The Steelers didn’t low ball him. He got offered the franchise tag, something the CBA permits and the players agreed to. You can say the players are classless but you have no idea what private remakrs he made to them or assurances he made them. I for one hope he gets a crappy long term offer. Only in the NFL is a one year $14.5 million offer called a low ball.
They did low ball him.
Basically 1 year guaranteed money. As a player, especially a RB you need to get as much up front as possible.
He played this the right way and called the Steelers bluff.
He will get a solid deal in FA and more guaranteed.
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Bell isn't there. The Steelers low balled him on his contract offer so this was the course of action he took. I wouldn't have sat out but I totally get it. For his teammates and coach to handle it this way was just classless. They turned this into more of a story by handling it the way they did. They can blame Bell all they want but they added so much fuel to this fire.
. The Steelers didn’t low ball him. He got offered the franchise tag, something the CBA permits and the players agreed to. You can say the players are classless but you have no idea what private remakrs he made to them or assurances he made them. I for one hope he gets a crappy long term offer. Only in the NFL is a one year $14.5 million offer called a low ball.
What the hell are you talking about? One, the FT has nothing to do with the long term contract the Steelers offered. Two, what do private conversations have to do with public statements? Three, Bell doesn't have to reassure anybody. You are ridiculous.
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Bell isn't there. The Steelers low balled him on his contract offer so this was the course of action he took. I wouldn't have sat out but I totally get it. For his teammates and coach to handle it this way was just classless. They turned this into more of a story by handling it the way they did. They can blame Bell all they want but they added so much fuel to this fire.
. The Steelers didn’t low ball him. He got offered the franchise tag, something the CBA permits and the players agreed to. You can say the players are classless but you have no idea what private remakrs he made to them or assurances he made them. I for one hope he gets a crappy long term offer. Only in the NFL is a one year $14.5 million offer called a low ball.
Go look at what Dwayne Johnson makes per year and get back to us. And then go look at NBA salaries and MLB salaries. And corporate CEOs. And every actor, musician, or any other entertainer out there.
Only in the NFL? Hardly. It's called supply and demand, despite the fact that the NFL has rules in place to artificially suppress the players' ability to garner their actual free market value.
They do clean out their lockers, usually carrying garbage bags with their crap in it.
I thought the issue was there was very little guaranteed money.
I love how they're mad at him for not risking up to potentially 80 million dollars (I think on open market, at least before this he could've gotten somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 years 100 mil)
So easy to say "just take the 14 mil and be happy" when you're a scrub cake.
I'd have them subpoenaed them for the stolen property just as a 🖕
Gurley got 4 years/$60 mil and he's 2.5 years younger than Bell. We're saying Bell is that much better than Gurley, taking shelf life of the position into consideration?
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What a bunch of scumbags.
I love how they're mad at him for not risking up to potentially 80 million dollars (I think on open market, at least before this he could've gotten somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 years 100 mil)
So easy to say "just take the 14 mil and be happy" when you're a scrub cake.
I'd have them subpoenaed them for the stolen property just as a 🖕
Gurley got 4 years/$60 mil and he's 2.5 years younger than Bell. We're saying Bell is that much better than Gurley, taking shelf life of the position into consideration?
They offered Bell slightly more than Gurley, he turned it down.
The Steelers can still tag him again, but it would cost them $25 million. They could transition tag him, but that only give the Steelers the right to match offers.
Pittsburgh runs their RBs into the ground. They're doing the same with Connor this season. He's going to have 300+ touches this season. Pittsburgh was going to be fine running Bell into the ground till he breaks and then parting ways in the offseason. I can't fault Bell at all.
Understood, but that doesn't answer my question. Bell can turn down whatever he wants, but why are we to believe the open market is going to offer him significantly more than Gurley?
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What a bunch of scumbags.
I love how they're mad at him for not risking up to potentially 80 million dollars (I think on open market, at least before this he could've gotten somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 years 100 mil)
So easy to say "just take the 14 mil and be happy" when you're a scrub cake.
I'd have them subpoenaed them for the stolen property just as a 🖕
Gurley got 4 years/$60 mil and he's 2.5 years younger than Bell. We're saying Bell is that much better than Gurley, taking shelf life of the position into consideration?
They offered Bell slightly more than Gurley, he turned it down.
Guaranteed money was 10 million. Unless I read this article wrong.
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They offered Bell slightly more than Gurley, he turned it down.
Understood, but that doesn't answer my question. Bell can turn down whatever he wants, but why are we to believe the open market is going to offer him significantly more than Gurley?
Gurley's deal was 45 mil guaranteed.
Bell's was 10 million guaranteed.
Steelers were playing games and got called on it.
Barkley's deal had more guaranteed momey 31 million
As for the Steelers, they're doing something right from a culture standpoint. Next man up.
In the end I am not feeling bad for anyone that walks away from 15 million or whatever it was. The player certainly deserves to attempt to make as much money as possible in the time he has and I don’t fault them for whatever they have to do, but at the same time I don’t want to watch the NFL lose it’s ability for teams to compete. If the game became like the NBA or MLB it would lose a lot of fans and the players would in turn get paid less. The MLB and NBA has much longer seasons and substantially less players, which makes the cost/value of players much different.
Moore is a bozo, but that other bozo stole headphones that were suppose to go to him.
An NFL team would be moronic to pay him huge money.
Bell will NEVER put up numbers close to what he had with the steelers with another team.
An NFL team would be moronic to pay him huge money.
Bell will NEVER put up numbers close to what he had with the steelers with another team.
I have no idea what posts like this mean. Unless you can guarantee he wouldn’t have gotten hurt this year how will he not make that money up? The entire point of the hold out was to get 2-3x that in guarantees - will that not happen now?
I think you are confusing him with OBJ
The franchise tag offer is separate from their contract negotiations, they aren’t the same thing. Both occured and the tag came after the initial talks multiple seasons in a row.
It looked to me that they were just having a little fun and yukking it up pretending to take things from his locker. Or you could look at it as something sinister going on.
However, if he had signed his FT, the second one in a row, he would have earned over $27M guaranteed over the past two years. I'm never one to say how much money is enough for someone else, that's not for me to sa.
but, I have a hard time getting weepy for poor Le'Veon Bell and hating on the evil NFL owners.
His Steelers teammates raiding his locker is low class and a reflection of them, but I don't necessarily blame the Steelers organization for that. That's on the players, even if the organization set a contentious tone.
I really thought the Giants were going to do this with Beckham.
I don't really get why they don't see how this affects them. All players benefit when contracts rise.
But what this does demonstrate is how the NFL will probably never, ever lose a labor dispute. This is the player's union shooting itself in the foot like it always does.
Yes that would be the case if everything went well.. but what if Steelers ran him into the ground like they were going to do.. he had more than 400+ touches last 2 years.. god forbid he got a serious injury.. then that $14.5M would be all he would've ever made.. so in this situation at least he can pretty much ensure he will make way more than $14.5M he left on the table..
However, if he had signed his FT, the second one in a row, he would have earned over $27M guaranteed over the past two years. I'm never one to say how much money is enough for someone else, that's not for me to sa.
but, I have a hard time getting weepy for poor Le'Veon Bell and hating on the evil NFL owners.
His Steelers teammates raiding his locker is low class and a reflection of them, but I don't necessarily blame the Steelers organization for that. That's on the players, even if the organization set a contentious tone.
You are looking at it from your perspective, try looking from his. Yeah $27M is a shitload, but he didn't know that's how it would work out before the first tag. If he knew he was getting a 2 year $27M gtd deal, he may have taken it! He was on a year to year deal handling the ball 400 times a season. He sees everyone else in the league getting paid massive money, yet nobody is asked to do what he's doing for his team. 400 touches a year with 11 guys trying to kill you on every touch. NO other position is like that. He's a hit away from making $0 for the rest of his career. If anyone should get some security, it's a RB that does what he's asked to do.
The Steelers offer was a joke. None of the money matters except the gtd amount. That's all any player cares about, specifically a RB. The Steelers are lucky that most people have no idea how contracts in the NFL really work(see this thread).
Not that Bell is not a talented back. However, if you look over the last few years whenever ANYONE stepped in for Bell whether it was Conner or even Deangelo Williams, the replacement performed extremely well.
So, you have to ask yourself how much of Bell's success has been tied to the OL, the scheme, etc. With that in mind, is Bell really worth the money he is asking especially when you consider that he already has two substance suspensions. For me... the answer is no. Let's see what the market says now that Conner came in and turned into one of the top producing backs in the league this year.
I really thought the Giants were going to do this with Beckham.
They absolutely did. While they did screw LB by franchising him, they were well within their rights to do it. Bell was also well within in his rights in the CBA to do what he did. Good for him, he's going to get things changed for future RB's.
But its obvious that Pitt didnt see the value in Bell that Bell saw. Bell played a very risky game. Deep down Bell figured Pitt would struggle without him and he would come in and save the day where he would get paid.
But it didnt happen. Pittsburgh won this standoff big time. I bet ownership and Tomlin are happy they didnt sign him long term.
Not that Bell is not a talented back. However, if you look over the last few years whenever ANYONE stepped in for Bell whether it was Conner or even Deangelo Williams, the replacement performed extremely well.
So, you have to ask yourself how much of Bell's success has been tied to the OL, the scheme, etc. With that in mind, is Bell really worth the money he is asking especially when you consider that he already has two substance suspensions. For me... the answer is no. Let's see what the market says now that Conner came in and turned into one of the top producing backs in the league this year.
All you need is one team. I assure you that some team with massive cap space will give him big money and bet that his talents transcend systems and teams. I think the Steelers are built for any back to have some level of success, but I also think Bell will succeed on any offense that knows how to use his talents, specifically his pass catching abilities. He's just not a smash mouth runner so any team that signs him to do that might have a problem.
But its obvious that Pitt didnt see the value in Bell that Bell saw. Bell played a very risky game. Deep down Bell figured Pitt would struggle without him and he would come in and save the day where he would get paid.
But it didnt happen. Pittsburgh won this standoff big time. I bet ownership and Tomlin are happy they didnt sign him long term.
Both can be correct. Yes, the steelers offer was a joke. Yes, they were smart not to cave into his demands and give Bell big money. They should have traded him or let him walk after they couldn't agree on a long term deal. Instead, they chose to put LB in a really bad situation(again). A one year deal for a RB asked to touch the ball 400 times is a bad situation.
If Bell feels the Steelers gave him a shit offer then he's betting on himself in FA which is his right. I respect him for doing that because not many players would.
The CBA sucks.
So in my mind its less about the money than about him wanting to go somewhere else.
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contract offer, guaranteeing only a small portion of the contract.
However, if he had signed his FT, the second one in a row, he would have earned over $27M guaranteed over the past two years. I'm never one to say how much money is enough for someone else, that's not for me to sa.
but, I have a hard time getting weepy for poor Le'Veon Bell and hating on the evil NFL owners.
His Steelers teammates raiding his locker is low class and a reflection of them, but I don't necessarily blame the Steelers organization for that. That's on the players, even if the organization set a contentious tone.
You are looking at it from your perspective, try looking from his. Yeah $27M is a shitload, but he didn't know that's how it would work out before the first tag. If he knew he was getting a 2 year $27M gtd deal, he may have taken it! He was on a year to year deal handling the ball 400 times a season. He sees everyone else in the league getting paid massive money, yet nobody is asked to do what he's doing for his team. 400 touches a year with 11 guys trying to kill you on every touch. NO other position is like that. He's a hit away from making $0 for the rest of his career. If anyone should get some security, it's a RB that does what he's asked to do.
The Steelers offer was a joke. None of the money matters except the gtd amount. That's all any player cares about, specifically a RB. The Steelers are lucky that most people have no idea how contracts in the NFL really work(see this thread).
I understand exactly how NFL contracts work. I already said the Steelers low-balled him guaranteeing only a small portion of the LT contract offer. Almost everyone who wants to understands how contracts and guaranteed $$$ work; it's not a hard concept.
Once 2017 ended and he was franchised again in 2018 he knew exactly what he was looking at, $27M guaranteed over a 2 year period. Sure, one of the years was history and he could choose to only look forward and set his own value, and that's what he did.
He chose not to sign the tag, well within his rights and I don't begrudge him that one bit. Good for him having principles. I admire that and I never commented negatively once on Bell not signing the tag - other than to point out how much money the tag would have earned him over his career.
What I did say is that I personally won't make it seem like the big evil NFL crushing the dreams of a young kid trying to make it on the football field.
$15M, just this year's would-be salary, is more than probably 99% of NFL players would make in their entire careers. and that says nothing about the $12M he made in 2017 or the almost $4M from his rookie deal.
If he feels he's worth more guaranteed $$$ he can do what he's done and find out, and I don't need to be empathetic nor do I need to be sympathetic.
and this has zero to do with his teammates ransacking his locker.
So in my mind its less about the money than about him wanting to go somewhere else.
I think your opinion all over this thread is way off. Bell wanted long term security, the team was unwilling to give it. It's that simple. The Steelers weren't even close to where they needed to be and they have proven over and over again that they won't cave on gtd money. Look at all the other contracts on the team. Very little gtd money in comparison to their peers.
LB looks at himself as a WR/RB hybrid and look at what some of these WR's are making. OBJ just got $65M gtd! Bell is looking at that like....I catch just as many balls as him and I run the ball 350 times and they are offering me $30M gtd?? Barkley was just drafted at #2 and got $31.2M gtd and hasn't touched the ball yet and LB is being offered $30M gtd?? GTFO.