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I am interested in some analysis on Phil Simms

NYG07 : 11/15/2018 1:56 am

I am piggybacking this off of my curiosity with Greg's continued assertion that Simms is the best QB to ever play for the Giants. I am not looking for a debate on Eli vs. Simms. I just never got to see him play and want to hear some of the older fans thoughts on him as a player.

I know all about the injuries and benching early in his career, the near perfect Superbowl performance, and the brutal NFC he had to contend with.

I am curious as to how he was viewed as a player in his day. Was he universally considered a top 10 QB? How was he viewed in the media? How clutch was he? How good was he or how consistent was he on a week to week basis? I have seen posters over the years insist that if he played in today's NFL he would be putting up monster numbers. Thanks in advance for your thoughts...

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RE: Imo Simms couldn't throw the deep ball with the accuracy that Eli

BillKo : 11/15/2018 1:37 pm : link

In comment 14178456 yatqb said:

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has shown over the years. He had a strong arm but not the best timing on bombs. His best throws were on a line, whether on deep outs or over the middle.

Definitely agree......he could zip it anywhere on a line. But on his deep throws, he wouldn't really arc it allowing WRs to run under it.......thus he throws had to be perfect.

I absolutely love his side arm whistler's..........batted down or not!! LOL

Look up the stats. Simms took an insane number of sacks...

x meadowlander : 11/15/2018 1:40 pm : link

...often they we're coverage sacks, mediocre receivers on those Giant teams.

FWIW, cant find the quote but I know I heard Simms once say Eli was better than him.

RE: Look up the stats. Simms took an insane number of sacks...

steve in ky : 11/15/2018 1:45 pm : link

In comment 14178656 x meadowlander said:

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...often they we're coverage sacks, mediocre receivers on those Giant teams.

FWIW, cant find the quote but I know I heard Simms once say Eli was better than him.

That quote does ring a bell

One thing I remember too about Simms. Him and Parcells would go at it.

Blue21 : 11/15/2018 2:05 pm : link

Simms would come off the field after he did something wrong, maybe a pick or incompletion or whatever and Parcells would be screaming at him. Simms never intimidated gave it right back to Parcells. They fought like husband and wife. Next series they were all buddies again. Simms loved Parcells and Parcells loved him just not during the game sometimes. LOL. They both were so competitive. I'm not sure how Eli would handle that. What gets me too on another note I don't think I've ever heard a Giants fan speak ill of Parcells even though he left us. Other fans fro other teams he left not so much. That's why Parcells will always be a Giant.

Blue 21 ... whoa !

Spider56 : 11/15/2018 2:30 pm : link

Parcells was great until his massive ego took over ... Remember he left the Giants high and dry with his on / off / on again departure ... and he lost my love when he went to the Jests and the Pokes ... He may still be a Jersey boy, but he�s not an automatic Giant for life.

Plenty of Giant fans hate Bill Parcells

arniefez : 11/15/2018 2:34 pm : link

Plenty of Knick fans hate Pat Riley. They're idiots.

Parcells won, Riley didn't

Greg from LI : 11/15/2018 2:36 pm : link

No comparison

Really tough to compare

Marty866b : 11/15/2018 5:19 pm : link

Different eras with different rules. Probably half the sacks Simms took would be called penalties today. He took some tremendous shots. One thing that is not debatable is that Eli had so much better players to throw to. Simms had guys like Bobby Johnson, Lionel Manuel, Phil McKonkey,etc. He didn't have one guy that I would say was a standout wide receiver. Eli had Toomer, Burress, Nicks, Cruz,Beckham,etc. I personally thought that Simms was better at throwing the football with more zip and accuracy OUTSIDE of the deep ball.

RE: Really tough to compare

gmenatlarge : 11/15/2018 6:40 pm : link

In comment 14178917 Marty866b said:

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+1 Simms was as tough as they come, in the 85 playoff game against the bears Richard dent led with his helmet and hit Simms square in the jaw, would�ve knocked most people out. Phil go right up and kept playing!

The Giants were a runnning team in Simms time.

Since1965 : 11/15/2018 7:23 pm : link

Had he played in a throwing offense (like Jim Kelly's Bills), he would have put up huge numbers. He had a great TE in Bavaro, but Bavaro did not have a real long career. The other thing about Simms is that his wide receivers were mediocre at best. Most of them would play a few years with the Giants, get relaesed, and be out of football in another year or two. If Simms played for a passing team with the kind of receivers Maninng has had, no doubt Phil would be HOF. I thought he was superior to guys like Jim Kelly. He was a great Giant.

I loved watching Simms play.

Toastt34 : 11/15/2018 7:29 pm : link

He was the perfect QB for the Giants at that time...tough, gritty, fiery. He embodied the team in that era. His seam passes to Bavaro were a thing of beauty. His celebrations after throwing TD passes always fired me up. Even with the limited talent at the WR position and the conservative play-calling throughout his years, he put together a really good to great career IMO. He's my personal favorite Giant of all time.

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