The trade deadline has long passed. The earliest he can be traded is what? February? So many things can happen between now and then. Absolute zero reason to post this article now.
be surprised if this happened, but we did hear rumors before the trade deadline that everyone was available except Barkley. Spotrac also says that the 2019 cap hit for trading Beckham before June 1 once the new league starts is only $16M. For the right haul of draft picks, the Giants might be willing to swallow that hit, especially since they will be cutting Eli after this season. The also absorbed a big cap hit ($15M?) when they traded JPP. Let me reiterate that I don't think this will happen, and don't want it to, unless the return is extraordinary.
you can learn from hearing him talk about Eli or the Mannings in general.
The discussion can start on anything you'd like - football stats, passing camps, a commercial they made - and it'll be on money in 30 seconds or less. You would think the Mannings robbed this guy's family at some point, he's extremely bitter about how much money they have.
and he's def clued in with one of the Giants owners. I think he's close with Tisch and has been clued in on a lot(specifically OBJ). I don't doubt that the Browns would do something like this. On the surface, I wouldn't do it if I'm the Gians. Depends on what picks they are(we will know after the season) and who is available.
Pretty much the only way I'd even consider it is if there is a QB that we LOVE that we know will be available there.
wouldn't be the draft to do this. Just isn't the QB (or any) prospect so unbelievable that picking 1/1 would be worth giving up Beckham. If it meant moving up to land Tua or Lawrence that's another story but since they aren't coming out...
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Beckham is probably my favorite player, but how do you turn down getting two highly rated players for the one?
Will we get a player of Beckham's talents or importance? Probably not. But choose a player group (OL, secondary, LB) and it's solved.
Or, use the extra picks as chips to move up and take the best QB. A QB I might add, under control for cheap, meaning you take the cap savings there and apply it to depth or high profile free agents.
it's almost a guarantee that Gruden goes QB - which means you're not getting the top guy. In a weak draft for QBs, doesn't make sense to fork over picks to move up for the runner up.
RE: Putting aside the dynamic duo of who reported this, its fun to Â
Beckham is probably my favorite player, but how do you turn down getting two highly rated players for the one?
Will we get a player of Beckham's talents or importance? Probably not. But choose a player group (OL, secondary, LB) and it's solved.
Or, use the extra picks as chips to move up and take the best QB. A QB I might add, under control for cheap, meaning you take the cap savings there and apply it to depth or high profile free agents.
Because Beckham is a proven ELITE player not just a good or very good one. You make it sound like trading him doesn't create another hole. The Giants WR corps would be the worst in the entire league minus Beckham and there is zero guarantee the 2 picks from the Browns are end up "anything". Last I checked our 2 of our last 3 first round picks aren't even on the roster anymore (and suck), and Engram doesn't exactly look like a stud. Giants last 10 1sts you could argue only Beckham, Barkley, JPP and Nicks were ever above average players.
Thanks Jon, always great to have a voice of reason around here.
Seriously guys, Leonard thrives off of your high blood pressure.
If this really was a thing, it probably would have happened weeks ago. Not to mention, the financial picture hasn't changed. I'm sure that discussion happened. I'm sure the Browns called. I'm also sure the Giants said "no, you don't have enough to acquire a generational talent. Who quite honestly is finally leading his teammates at the moment. OBJ is part of this turn around, not a piece to be shopped for non-descript parts and lottery tickets.
RE: Even if there was a QB they were interested in Â
it's almost a guarantee that Gruden goes QB - which means you're not getting the top guy. In a weak draft for QBs, doesn't make sense to fork over picks to move up for the runner up.
Sure, then if you have a smart GM you load up on OL so Lauletta looks like a superstar because he only has to throw the ball 10 times a game. Just like the Cowboys did with Dak.
Without taking a big "Dead Money" hit against the 2019 salary cap?
Trading him in the offseason will leave $16M in dead money against the 2019 cap, but technically "save" $5M in cap space since he's currently set to earn $21M.
RE: RE: Putting aside the dynamic duo of who reported this, its fun to Â
Beckham is probably my favorite player, but how do you turn down getting two highly rated players for the one?
Will we get a player of Beckham's talents or importance? Probably not. But choose a player group (OL, secondary, LB) and it's solved.
Or, use the extra picks as chips to move up and take the best QB. A QB I might add, under control for cheap, meaning you take the cap savings there and apply it to depth or high profile free agents.
Because Beckham is a proven ELITE player not just a good or very good one. You make it sound like trading him doesn't create another hole. The Giants WR corps would be the worst in the entire league minus Beckham and there is zero guarantee the 2 picks from the Browns are end up "anything". Last I checked our 2 of our last 3 first round picks aren't even on the roster anymore (and suck), and Engram doesn't exactly look like a stud. Giants last 10 1sts you could argue only Beckham, Barkley, JPP and Nicks were ever above average players.
Its well know that the draft is a crapshoot. The only way you win at the draft is to have the most chances to get good players. Two number one picks (in addition to our high number one) gets you three chances for great players for the cost of one. If you trust your player evaluation, that's a worthwhile gamble. Heck, we can go 2-7 without Beckham.
Browns currently pick 6th, the "2nd" number one would be in 2020 (they don't own 2 picks this year) which stud prospects are there this year that the gamble makes sense? Gruden isn't passing on Herbert so it won't be a QB. Just using one mock draft the 2019 Giants would be minus Beckham and adding (per Washington Post's new mock) Quinnen Williams and a 2020 1st when the Browns conceivably could be/should be a better team. Sounds like a fools bet to me.
I’m not saying there is any merit to it likely happening but how is this a Leonard thing when he is only reporting what Boomer said? Your implication is that he made it up, but he didn’t. Boomer said it on the air.
It would have to be to get what the NYG thought was a true franchise QB. So would be Cleveland's 2019 1st, 2nd and next years first.
Giants take all the cap hits next year, rebuild OL and add impact front seven talent with lots of cap space for 2020.
This could be franchise turning point with young, well built lines on both sides and a Franchise Qb and HOF talent RB with a return to a tough defense that gets after the QB.
Even with two number ones it won't be easy to draft two above average starters, much less a generational talent like Beckham. Huge pass on trading OBJ.
Beckham is probably my favorite player, but how do you turn down getting two highly rated players for the one?
Will we get a player of Beckham's talents or importance? Probably not. But choose a player group (OL, secondary, LB) and it's solved.
Or, use the extra picks as chips to move up and take the best QB. A QB I might add, under control for cheap, meaning you take the cap savings there and apply it to depth or high profile free agents.
Because Beckham is a proven ELITE player not just a good or very good one. You make it sound like trading him doesn't create another hole. The Giants WR corps would be the worst in the entire league minus Beckham and there is zero guarantee the 2 picks from the Browns are end up "anything". Last I checked our 2 of our last 3 first round picks aren't even on the roster anymore (and suck), and Engram doesn't exactly look like a stud. Giants last 10 1sts you could argue only Beckham, Barkley, JPP and Nicks were ever above average players.
Its well know that the draft is a crapshoot. The only way you win at the draft is to have the most chances to get good players. Two number one picks (in addition to our high number one) gets you three chances for great players for the cost of one. If you trust your player evaluation, that's a worthwhile gamble. Heck, we can go 2-7 without Beckham.
What most people seem to overlook is that football is considered entertainment. While some may argue that the product that has been on the field lately, hasn't been. It still has grown the fanbase and put money in the owner's pockets. While they will appease fans with public statements saying they only care about winning, don't kid yourself. They care about making more money. If winning achieves that goal, great.
No one has ever bought an Eli Apple, Justin Pugh, Ereck Flowers jersey except for their moms. Mara/Tisch aren't making their decision solely based on jersey sales, but don't be so naive to think it doesn't have some consideration. No one cares about pre-game warmup. But since OBJ does OBJ things, he has made the pre-game must see t.v. OBJ transcends just a talented player. He is a brand himself that represents Big Blue. The owners can churn through #1 picks and not achieve the same marketability.
I’m not saying there is any merit to it likely happening but how is this a Leonard thing when he is only reporting what Boomer said? Your implication is that he made it up, but he didn’t. Boomer said it on the air.
Boomer says a lot of shit too, he's making money by you guys listening to him on air. Leonard has demonstrated repeatedly in the same, and they all scratch each other's backs to get listeners, web clicks, viewers, etc.
I don't see NYG trading OB after working so hard for so long to get him inked long term, either. He's a core foundation talent.
RE: Putting aside the dynamic duo of who reported this, its fun to Â
Beckham is probably my favorite player, but how do you turn down getting two highly rated players for the one?
Will we get a player of Beckham's talents or importance? Probably not. But choose a player group (OL, secondary, LB) and it's solved.
Or, use the extra picks as chips to move up and take the best QB. A QB I might add, under control for cheap, meaning you take the cap savings there and apply it to depth or high profile free agents.
Pretty simple when you look at the history of the draft and you realize that the odds are that neither of those prospects will come close to OBJ's abilities. They are lottery tickets.
Jarvis Landry, guy who already is stuck in Cleveland says: Â
Beckham is probably my favorite player, but how do you turn down getting two highly rated players for the one?
Will we get a player of Beckham's talents or importance? Probably not. But choose a player group (OL, secondary, LB) and it's solved.
Or, use the extra picks as chips to move up and take the best QB. A QB I might add, under control for cheap, meaning you take the cap savings there and apply it to depth or high profile free agents.
Because Beckham is a proven ELITE player not just a good or very good one. You make it sound like trading him doesn't create another hole. The Giants WR corps would be the worst in the entire league minus Beckham and there is zero guarantee the 2 picks from the Browns are end up "anything". Last I checked our 2 of our last 3 first round picks aren't even on the roster anymore (and suck), and Engram doesn't exactly look like a stud. Giants last 10 1sts you could argue only Beckham, Barkley, JPP and Nicks were ever above average players.
Its well know that the draft is a crapshoot. The only way you win at the draft is to have the most chances to get good players. Two number one picks (in addition to our high number one) gets you three chances for great players for the cost of one. If you trust your player evaluation, that's a worthwhile gamble. Heck, we can go 2-7 without Beckham.
What most people seem to overlook is that football is considered entertainment. While some may argue that the product that has been on the field lately, hasn't been. It still has grown the fanbase and put money in the owner's pockets. While they will appease fans with public statements saying they only care about winning, don't kid yourself. They care about making more money. If winning achieves that goal, great.
No one has ever bought an Eli Apple, Justin Pugh, Ereck Flowers jersey except for their moms. Mara/Tisch aren't making their decision solely based on jersey sales, but don't be so naive to think it doesn't have some consideration. No one cares about pre-game warmup. But since OBJ does OBJ things, he has made the pre-game must see t.v. OBJ transcends just a talented player. He is a brand himself that represents Big Blue. The owners can churn through #1 picks and not achieve the same marketability.
the pre game stuff is a good point. I wonder how much a bump in concession stand sales comes from people entering the stadium early to see the pre game show?
I bet its not an insignificant number, and a number that doesn't need to be split with the rest of the league.
he is not waiting until the very end of a show to say something, he is saying it at the beginning and tweeting it out
He did.......yesterday! Boomer doesn't start rumors w/o him having some substance. He said he heard it from "NFL Insiders", who said the Browns have been talking about/exploring the possibility. The last time Boomer floated a rumor was Martin St Louis coming to the Rangers for 2 1st round picks. And,that came to fruition. Not saying this will ever happen but Leonard is only running w/what Boomer said.Have to believe there is, at the very least, conversations about it!
RE: RE: Even if there was a QB they were interested in Â
it's almost a guarantee that Gruden goes QB - which means you're not getting the top guy. In a weak draft for QBs, doesn't make sense to fork over picks to move up for the runner up.
Sure, then if you have a smart GM you load up on OL so Lauletta looks like a superstar because he only has to throw the ball 10 times a game. Just like the Cowboys did with Dak.
You haven't by any chance seen any web or news articles this year have you? Otherwise, are you seriously suggesting the Cowboys strategy is the way to go?
"the Browns would like to trade for Beckham". It doesn't mean the Giants would listen. Even if they are willing to listen, it doesn't mean that the Giants would settle. Considering it was two 1s when he was coming off an injury and there wasn't a huge dead money cap hit associated with moving him, it would probably have to be higher and I don't see any team going higher.
is it true that this happened on the Boomer/Gio show this morning? Then we can discuss how credible Boomer has been.
Except it is. You don't see anywhere else talking about Boomer.
Boomer most definitely talked about it this morning, a couple of different times in fact. I don't know if he was the start of it or he took it from Leonard but he once again was being a shit stirrer in regards to the Giants and OBJ.
He was all over them in the preseason saying how the Giants should trade OBJ, and once they signed him it shut him up for a bit. Now he's back trying to find any way to make something fit his narrative once again.
Same way he wanted the Giants to draft Darnold, said how It was a perfect fit, and like a dog with a bone, won't ever let it go.
is it true that this happened on the Boomer/Gio show this morning? Then we can discuss how credible Boomer has been.
Except it is. You don't see anywhere else talking about Boomer.
Boomer most definitely talked about it this morning, a couple of different times in fact. I don't know if he was the start of it or he took it from Leonard but he once again was being a shit stirrer in regards to the Giants and OBJ.
He was all over them in the preseason saying how the Giants should trade OBJ, and once they signed him it shut him up for a bit. Now he's back trying to find any way to make something fit his narrative once again.
Same way he wanted the Giants to draft Darnold, said how It was a perfect fit, and like a dog with a bone, won't ever let it go.
I'm not saying he didn't. I'm saying no one gave Boomer the time of day except Leonard. This rumor is absolutely pointless.
is it true that this happened on the Boomer/Gio show this morning? Then we can discuss how credible Boomer has been.
Except it is. You don't see anywhere else talking about Boomer.
Boomer most definitely talked about it this morning, a couple of different times in fact. I don't know if he was the start of it or he took it from Leonard but he once again was being a shit stirrer in regards to the Giants and OBJ.
He was all over them in the preseason saying how the Giants should trade OBJ, and once they signed him it shut him up for a bit. Now he's back trying to find any way to make something fit his narrative once again.
Same way he wanted the Giants to draft Darnold, said how It was a perfect fit, and like a dog with a bone, won't ever let it go.
I'm not saying he didn't. I'm saying no one gave Boomer the time of day except Leonard. This rumor is absolutely pointless.
Ahh ok, gotcha. Sorry I misinterpreted what you said and thought you were saying he didn't talk about it.
I agree with you about it being a pointless rumor and no one else giving any substance to a Boomer shit stirring rumor besides Leonard. Two haves, IMO who deserve each other.
we trade Odell, which would be dumb, then the cap hit doesn't matter that much because we're essentially saying that we're not competing next year. Trading elite prime talent means it's a long rebuild.
Paying big money for elite talent is fine. Good actually. It's much better than paying a few million less for a guy who's a tier or two lower. Youd much rather pay the extra millions for a top 3 guy than save a few and have a guy in the 15-20 range.
Browns currently pick 6th, the "2nd" number one would be in 2020 (they don't own 2 picks this year) which stud prospects are there this year that the gamble makes sense? Gruden isn't passing on Herbert so it won't be a QB. Just using one mock draft the 2019 Giants would be minus Beckham and adding (per Washington Post's new mock) Quinnen Williams and a 2020 1st when the Browns conceivably could be/should be a better team. Sounds like a fools bet to me.
Totally agree with this. It just doesn’t add up unless you don’t believe in the player. I’m not a fan of some of Beckham’s antics but there’s no denying how talented a player he is and the impact he has.
Do you think the Bears are happy about the Mack trade? I’ll take the great player over the allure of future picks any day.
And Boomer is a complete clown. I have no idea why this guy is given the platform he has. What intelligent insight does he ever offer? And the 2 first round picks was thrown out by Giannotti. You think he’s connected at all in the league??? Come on.
Yes finance can be part of it but I think both owners families gain far more more Super Bowl runs and I am sure there is a competitive spirit as well.
Fans could wear/purchase Barkley jerseys and how excited would Giants feel about having a elite talent in the Front 7 again? Plus they will make even more money as fans will have to be more jerseys with Beckham's retired to the attic.
I’m not saying there is any merit to it likely happening but how is this a Leonard thing when he is only reporting what Boomer said? Your implication is that he made it up, but he didn’t. Boomer said it on the air.
The point is, Leonard is such a hack that the best he can do for content (when he's not just making shit up himself) is to take a comment from Esiason and pass it off as news.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Putting aside the dynamic duo of who reported this, its fun to Â
No one has ever bought an Eli Apple, Justin Pugh, Ereck Flowers jersey except for their moms. Mara/Tisch aren't making their decision solely based on jersey sales, but don't be so naive to think it doesn't have some consideration.
Since NFL jersey sales are split evenly across 31 teams (the Cowboys being the lone exception that keep their own merch revenue entirely but also do not receive any shared merch revenue), I'd sincerely hope that jersey sales don't factor into Mara/Tisch's considerations at all.
RE: RE: Putting aside the dynamic duo of who reported this, its fun to Â
Beckham is probably my favorite player, but how do you turn down getting two highly rated players for the one?
Will we get a player of Beckham's talents or importance? Probably not. But choose a player group (OL, secondary, LB) and it's solved.
Or, use the extra picks as chips to move up and take the best QB. A QB I might add, under control for cheap, meaning you take the cap savings there and apply it to depth or high profile free agents.
Pretty simple when you look at the history of the draft and you realize that the odds are that neither of those prospects will come close to OBJ's abilities. They are lottery tickets.
Sure, but does two very good players versus one excellent player make the team better? WR is an impact position, but what effect on the whole offense would two high picks (if the players are as good as their evaluation) playing on the OL be?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Putting aside the dynamic duo of who reported this, its fun to Â
Beckham is probably my favorite player, but how do you turn down getting two highly rated players for the one?
Will we get a player of Beckham's talents or importance? Probably not. But choose a player group (OL, secondary, LB) and it's solved.
Or, use the extra picks as chips to move up and take the best QB. A QB I might add, under control for cheap, meaning you take the cap savings there and apply it to depth or high profile free agents.
Because Beckham is a proven ELITE player not just a good or very good one. You make it sound like trading him doesn't create another hole. The Giants WR corps would be the worst in the entire league minus Beckham and there is zero guarantee the 2 picks from the Browns are end up "anything". Last I checked our 2 of our last 3 first round picks aren't even on the roster anymore (and suck), and Engram doesn't exactly look like a stud. Giants last 10 1sts you could argue only Beckham, Barkley, JPP and Nicks were ever above average players.
Its well know that the draft is a crapshoot. The only way you win at the draft is to have the most chances to get good players. Two number one picks (in addition to our high number one) gets you three chances for great players for the cost of one. If you trust your player evaluation, that's a worthwhile gamble. Heck, we can go 2-7 without Beckham.
What most people seem to overlook is that football is considered entertainment. While some may argue that the product that has been on the field lately, hasn't been. It still has grown the fanbase and put money in the owner's pockets. While they will appease fans with public statements saying they only care about winning, don't kid yourself. They care about making more money. If winning achieves that goal, great.
No one has ever bought an Eli Apple, Justin Pugh, Ereck Flowers jersey except for their moms. Mara/Tisch aren't making their decision solely based on jersey sales, but don't be so naive to think it doesn't have some consideration. No one cares about pre-game warmup. But since OBJ does OBJ things, he has made the pre-game must see t.v. OBJ transcends just a talented player. He is a brand himself that represents Big Blue. The owners can churn through #1 picks and not achieve the same marketability.
Well, this is an argument about whether the Maras would make that move if they took a hit on revenue, not whether the move would make the team better.
The chances you have of getting two very good players Â
is extremely low. The chances one of those guys becomes very good is probably pretty low. You arne't trading for established players, you are trading for lottery tickets.
RE: RE: RE: Even if there was a QB they were interested in Â
it's almost a guarantee that Gruden goes QB - which means you're not getting the top guy. In a weak draft for QBs, doesn't make sense to fork over picks to move up for the runner up.
Sure, then if you have a smart GM you load up on OL so Lauletta looks like a superstar because he only has to throw the ball 10 times a game. Just like the Cowboys did with Dak.
You haven't by any chance seen any web or news articles this year have you? Otherwise, are you seriously suggesting the Cowboys strategy is the way to go?
All I'm saying is that their investments in the OL made what might be a decent QB look great (when all of them were playing). It's certainly a lower-risk play than drafting a QB high.
certainly helped Dak's job, but it also led to how many playoff wins? Also, didn't they just trade a 1st rounder for Cooper? Also, aren't they now gonna pay Dak big money?
I'm not arguing that the OL isn't the most important aspect of an offense because it is, but you don't need to trade an all-world star to build it. Wouldn't OBJ help a young QB or do we want a young QB throwing to nobodies?
RE: The chances you have of getting two very good players Â
is extremely low. The chances one of those guys becomes very good is probably pretty low. You arne't trading for established players, you are trading for lottery tickets.
Pfft, picks around #10 overall always become very good players.
certainly helped Dak's job, but it also led to how many playoff wins? Also, didn't they just trade a 1st rounder for Cooper? Also, aren't they now gonna pay Dak big money?
I'm not arguing that the OL isn't the most important aspect of an offense because it is, but you don't need to trade an all-world star to build it. Wouldn't OBJ help a young QB or do we want a young QB throwing to nobodies?
I think they have one more year (2019) before he hits FA, but I sure as hell hope they pay him franchise QB money! They are just now getting out of years of cap hell and extending Lawrence (who's worth it), Cooper, and Prescott will quickly use up that space and the latter two suck.
A caller then pointed out Baker is a young QB, but Boomer said that his one year experience in the league would be what is needed to reign in OBJs erratic behavior....
It's obvious he doesn't even believe what he is saying. Just stirring shit.
A caller then pointed out Baker is a young QB, but Boomer said that his one year experience in the league would be what is needed to reign in OBJs erratic behavior....
It's obvious he doesn't even believe what he is saying. Just stirring shit.
Yea, I heard that. Too bad none of the callers told him to look at Hopkins #s with Watson at QB last season:
Its still a younger player on a long term contract that's been widely considered fair for both sides. They should expect at least as much if not more.
That I agree with. Top pass rushers are the 2nd most important position, but elite WRs aren't far behind and are 3rd (based on average salaries). But the biggest difference is that Beckham's already signed his extension. Thus, the Giants are on the hook for the signing bonus. That reduces the AAV by ~$4M per year for the team acquiring him putting his cap hits in the $14-17M range each season or about $8M per season less than Mack's.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Even if there was a QB they were interested in Â
it's almost a guarantee that Gruden goes QB - which means you're not getting the top guy. In a weak draft for QBs, doesn't make sense to fork over picks to move up for the runner up.
Sure, then if you have a smart GM you load up on OL so Lauletta looks like a superstar because he only has to throw the ball 10 times a game. Just like the Cowboys did with Dak.
You haven't by any chance seen any web or news articles this year have you? Otherwise, are you seriously suggesting the Cowboys strategy is the way to go?
All I'm saying is that their investments in the OL made what might be a decent QB look great (when all of them were playing). It's certainly a lower-risk play than drafting a QB high.
It only worked for one year. Every attempt at putting more responsibility for the offense on Dak has led to worse seasons than his rookie year.
and I would move Beckham for a LOT less than the average Giant fan, not even the Browns are dumb enough to bail us out of the Beckham contract disaster.
I said that day what I will say again today- that contract will wind up setting the team back at least 4 years.
You think the dumb stuff that Beckham does now is annoying? (I'm not even talking the on the field stuff, which to Beckham's credit he has toned down)
Wait until the team has a young rookie QB learning and Beckham is getting 3 catches for 30 yards for a few weeks. How do you think that will play with Mr. Ego?
The Giants put their eggs in the Beckham basket based on 6 months of choir boy behavior.
Back to the original point- if the Browns offered a high first I sprint, a middle round first I run and a low first I jog. For a high 2nd I still do it, although reluctantly but with the understanding of the big picture of the team never being successful with Beckham type players.
it's almost a guarantee that Gruden goes QB - which means you're not getting the top guy. In a weak draft for QBs, doesn't make sense to fork over picks to move up for the runner up.
Sure, then if you have a smart GM you load up on OL so Lauletta looks like a superstar because he only has to throw the ball 10 times a game. Just like the Cowboys did with Dak.
You haven't by any chance seen any web or news articles this year have you? Otherwise, are you seriously suggesting the Cowboys strategy is the way to go?
All I'm saying is that their investments in the OL made what might be a decent QB look great (when all of them were playing). It's certainly a lower-risk play than drafting a QB high.
It only worked for one year. Every attempt at putting more responsibility for the offense on Dak has led to worse seasons than his rookie year.
Sure, but if I recall correctly they've had some injuries on the line. Still, they've had have better seasons than the Giants recently. They're still in the hunt this year, although that says more about the crappy NFCE.
RE: Even if there was a QB they were interested in Â
it's almost a guarantee that Gruden goes QB - which means you're not getting the top guy. In a weak draft for QBs, doesn't make sense to fork over picks to move up for the runner up.
Oddly, it's never been Gruden's nature to use young QBs. Except that one year in Tampa when he went young with a rookie in Gradkowski when Simms got hurt, Gruden has been all in on vets - Gannon, Johnson, Griese, Garcia et al. So actually think he stays with Carr or goes for another veteran...It's just not is forte developing QBs...
Price went up after OBJ has been healthy all year and didnt tank post big contract. Also I want them to throw in a player near pro bowl quality. Thats the only way. OR 2 #1's #2's and #3's.
it's almost a guarantee that Gruden goes QB - which means you're not getting the top guy. In a weak draft for QBs, doesn't make sense to fork over picks to move up for the runner up.
Oddly, it's never been Gruden's nature to use young QBs. Except that one year in Tampa when he went young with a rookie in Gradkowski when Simms got hurt, Gruden has been all in on vets - Gannon, Johnson, Griese, Garcia et al. So actually think he stays with Carr or goes for another veteran...It's just not is forte developing QBs...
and I would move Beckham for a LOT less than the average Giant fan, not even the Browns are dumb enough to bail us out of the Beckham contract disaster.
I said that day what I will say again today- that contract will wind up setting the team back at least 4 years.
You think the dumb stuff that Beckham does now is annoying? (I'm not even talking the on the field stuff, which to Beckham's credit he has toned down)
Wait until the team has a young rookie QB learning and Beckham is getting 3 catches for 30 yards for a few weeks. How do you think that will play with Mr. Ego?
The Giants put their eggs in the Beckham basket based on 6 months of choir boy behavior.
Back to the original point- if the Browns offered a high first I sprint, a middle round first I run and a low first I jog. For a high 2nd I still do it, although reluctantly but with the understanding of the big picture of the team never being successful with Beckham type players.
Are you this much of a joke of a human being in your real life, or just when you pollute BBI?
RE: Are we to assume that the Niners wouldn’t go QB Â
because of the 28 year old(in November 2019) Garoppolo?
They definitely won't but they could be looking to trade the pick to a team that does. Lynch would be crucified if he drafted a QB less than a year after giving Garoppolo a monster deal.
Back to the original point- if the Browns offered a high first I sprint, a middle round first I run and a low first I jog. For a high 2nd I still do it, although reluctantly but with the understanding of the big picture of the team never being successful with Beckham type players.
Great point. How could the Giants ever be successful with a young superstar at a premium position.
Except it is. You don't see anywhere else talking about Boomer.
it is pat leonard he is the knly beat writer writing an article about it...
there is reaaon he was kicked off of the rangers beat and why snacks harrison said he wanted to punch him in the face
Two fucking schmucks who couldnt find their dicks with a magnify glass.
Two fucking schmucks who couldnt find their dicks with a magnify glass.
At least Raanan breaks news. Leonard does nothing.
The discussion can start on anything you'd like - football stats, passing camps, a commercial they made - and it'll be on money in 30 seconds or less. You would think the Mannings robbed this guy's family at some point, he's extremely bitter about how much money they have.
Pretty much the only way I'd even consider it is if there is a QB that we LOVE that we know will be available there.
Beckham is probably my favorite player, but how do you turn down getting two highly rated players for the one?
Will we get a player of Beckham's talents or importance? Probably not. But choose a player group (OL, secondary, LB) and it's solved.
Or, use the extra picks as chips to move up and take the best QB. A QB I might add, under control for cheap, meaning you take the cap savings there and apply it to depth or high profile free agents.
Mara/Tisch are not going to eat $16M unless the return is great. And we are not settling for #1 picks in the bottom of the round.
Beckham is probably my favorite player, but how do you turn down getting two highly rated players for the one?
Will we get a player of Beckham's talents or importance? Probably not. But choose a player group (OL, secondary, LB) and it's solved.
Or, use the extra picks as chips to move up and take the best QB. A QB I might add, under control for cheap, meaning you take the cap savings there and apply it to depth or high profile free agents.
Because Beckham is a proven ELITE player not just a good or very good one. You make it sound like trading him doesn't create another hole. The Giants WR corps would be the worst in the entire league minus Beckham and there is zero guarantee the 2 picks from the Browns are end up "anything". Last I checked our 2 of our last 3 first round picks aren't even on the roster anymore (and suck), and Engram doesn't exactly look like a stud. Giants last 10 1sts you could argue only Beckham, Barkley, JPP and Nicks were ever above average players.
Thanks Jon, always great to have a voice of reason around here.
Seriously guys, Leonard thrives off of your high blood pressure.
If this really was a thing, it probably would have happened weeks ago. Not to mention, the financial picture hasn't changed. I'm sure that discussion happened. I'm sure the Browns called. I'm also sure the Giants said "no, you don't have enough to acquire a generational talent. Who quite honestly is finally leading his teammates at the moment. OBJ is part of this turn around, not a piece to be shopped for non-descript parts and lottery tickets.
Sure, then if you have a smart GM you load up on OL so Lauletta looks like a superstar because he only has to throw the ball 10 times a game. Just like the Cowboys did with Dak.
Trading him in the offseason will leave $16M in dead money against the 2019 cap, but technically "save" $5M in cap space since he's currently set to earn $21M.
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Beckham is probably my favorite player, but how do you turn down getting two highly rated players for the one?
Will we get a player of Beckham's talents or importance? Probably not. But choose a player group (OL, secondary, LB) and it's solved.
Or, use the extra picks as chips to move up and take the best QB. A QB I might add, under control for cheap, meaning you take the cap savings there and apply it to depth or high profile free agents.
Because Beckham is a proven ELITE player not just a good or very good one. You make it sound like trading him doesn't create another hole. The Giants WR corps would be the worst in the entire league minus Beckham and there is zero guarantee the 2 picks from the Browns are end up "anything". Last I checked our 2 of our last 3 first round picks aren't even on the roster anymore (and suck), and Engram doesn't exactly look like a stud. Giants last 10 1sts you could argue only Beckham, Barkley, JPP and Nicks were ever above average players.
Its well know that the draft is a crapshoot. The only way you win at the draft is to have the most chances to get good players. Two number one picks (in addition to our high number one) gets you three chances for great players for the cost of one. If you trust your player evaluation, that's a worthwhile gamble. Heck, we can go 2-7 without Beckham.
we would have 16 mil in dead cap if traded after the season offset by taking his 16mil salary off the books
So the impact of trading him would be zero cap improvement year one plus what ever picks we get.
I have been wrong on these things in the past but I think this is how it would work
I’m not saying there is any merit to it likely happening but how is this a Leonard thing when he is only reporting what Boomer said? Your implication is that he made it up, but he didn’t. Boomer said it on the air.
Giants take all the cap hits next year, rebuild OL and add impact front seven talent with lots of cap space for 2020.
This could be franchise turning point with young, well built lines on both sides and a Franchise Qb and HOF talent RB with a return to a tough defense that gets after the QB.
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think about. Two number ones?
Beckham is probably my favorite player, but how do you turn down getting two highly rated players for the one?
Will we get a player of Beckham's talents or importance? Probably not. But choose a player group (OL, secondary, LB) and it's solved.
Or, use the extra picks as chips to move up and take the best QB. A QB I might add, under control for cheap, meaning you take the cap savings there and apply it to depth or high profile free agents.
Because Beckham is a proven ELITE player not just a good or very good one. You make it sound like trading him doesn't create another hole. The Giants WR corps would be the worst in the entire league minus Beckham and there is zero guarantee the 2 picks from the Browns are end up "anything". Last I checked our 2 of our last 3 first round picks aren't even on the roster anymore (and suck), and Engram doesn't exactly look like a stud. Giants last 10 1sts you could argue only Beckham, Barkley, JPP and Nicks were ever above average players.
Its well know that the draft is a crapshoot. The only way you win at the draft is to have the most chances to get good players. Two number one picks (in addition to our high number one) gets you three chances for great players for the cost of one. If you trust your player evaluation, that's a worthwhile gamble. Heck, we can go 2-7 without Beckham.
What most people seem to overlook is that football is considered entertainment. While some may argue that the product that has been on the field lately, hasn't been. It still has grown the fanbase and put money in the owner's pockets. While they will appease fans with public statements saying they only care about winning, don't kid yourself. They care about making more money. If winning achieves that goal, great.
No one has ever bought an Eli Apple, Justin Pugh, Ereck Flowers jersey except for their moms. Mara/Tisch aren't making their decision solely based on jersey sales, but don't be so naive to think it doesn't have some consideration. No one cares about pre-game warmup. But since OBJ does OBJ things, he has made the pre-game must see t.v. OBJ transcends just a talented player. He is a brand himself that represents Big Blue. The owners can churn through #1 picks and not achieve the same marketability.
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I’m not saying there is any merit to it likely happening but how is this a Leonard thing when he is only reporting what Boomer said? Your implication is that he made it up, but he didn’t. Boomer said it on the air.
Boomer says a lot of shit too, he's making money by you guys listening to him on air. Leonard has demonstrated repeatedly in the same, and they all scratch each other's backs to get listeners, web clicks, viewers, etc.
I don't see NYG trading OB after working so hard for so long to get him inked long term, either. He's a core foundation talent.
Beckham is probably my favorite player, but how do you turn down getting two highly rated players for the one?
Will we get a player of Beckham's talents or importance? Probably not. But choose a player group (OL, secondary, LB) and it's solved.
Or, use the extra picks as chips to move up and take the best QB. A QB I might add, under control for cheap, meaning you take the cap savings there and apply it to depth or high profile free agents.
Pretty simple when you look at the history of the draft and you realize that the odds are that neither of those prospects will come close to OBJ's abilities. They are lottery tickets.
LOL I'll believe it when I hear it from Beckham's mouth.
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think about. Two number ones?
Beckham is probably my favorite player, but how do you turn down getting two highly rated players for the one?
Will we get a player of Beckham's talents or importance? Probably not. But choose a player group (OL, secondary, LB) and it's solved.
Or, use the extra picks as chips to move up and take the best QB. A QB I might add, under control for cheap, meaning you take the cap savings there and apply it to depth or high profile free agents.
Because Beckham is a proven ELITE player not just a good or very good one. You make it sound like trading him doesn't create another hole. The Giants WR corps would be the worst in the entire league minus Beckham and there is zero guarantee the 2 picks from the Browns are end up "anything". Last I checked our 2 of our last 3 first round picks aren't even on the roster anymore (and suck), and Engram doesn't exactly look like a stud. Giants last 10 1sts you could argue only Beckham, Barkley, JPP and Nicks were ever above average players.
Its well know that the draft is a crapshoot. The only way you win at the draft is to have the most chances to get good players. Two number one picks (in addition to our high number one) gets you three chances for great players for the cost of one. If you trust your player evaluation, that's a worthwhile gamble. Heck, we can go 2-7 without Beckham.
What most people seem to overlook is that football is considered entertainment. While some may argue that the product that has been on the field lately, hasn't been. It still has grown the fanbase and put money in the owner's pockets. While they will appease fans with public statements saying they only care about winning, don't kid yourself. They care about making more money. If winning achieves that goal, great.
No one has ever bought an Eli Apple, Justin Pugh, Ereck Flowers jersey except for their moms. Mara/Tisch aren't making their decision solely based on jersey sales, but don't be so naive to think it doesn't have some consideration. No one cares about pre-game warmup. But since OBJ does OBJ things, he has made the pre-game must see t.v. OBJ transcends just a talented player. He is a brand himself that represents Big Blue. The owners can churn through #1 picks and not achieve the same marketability.
the pre game stuff is a good point. I wonder how much a bump in concession stand sales comes from people entering the stadium early to see the pre game show?
I bet its not an insignificant number, and a number that doesn't need to be split with the rest of the league.
He did.......yesterday! Boomer doesn't start rumors w/o him having some substance. He said he heard it from "NFL Insiders", who said the Browns have been talking about/exploring the possibility. The last time Boomer floated a rumor was Martin St Louis coming to the Rangers for 2 1st round picks. And,that came to fruition. Not saying this will ever happen but Leonard is only running w/what Boomer said.Have to believe there is, at the very least, conversations about it!
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it's almost a guarantee that Gruden goes QB - which means you're not getting the top guy. In a weak draft for QBs, doesn't make sense to fork over picks to move up for the runner up.
Sure, then if you have a smart GM you load up on OL so Lauletta looks like a superstar because he only has to throw the ball 10 times a game. Just like the Cowboys did with Dak.
You haven't by any chance seen any web or news articles this year have you? Otherwise, are you seriously suggesting the Cowboys strategy is the way to go?
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is it true that this happened on the Boomer/Gio show this morning? Then we can discuss how credible Boomer has been.
Except it is. You don't see anywhere else talking about Boomer.
Boomer most definitely talked about it this morning, a couple of different times in fact. I don't know if he was the start of it or he took it from Leonard but he once again was being a shit stirrer in regards to the Giants and OBJ.
He was all over them in the preseason saying how the Giants should trade OBJ, and once they signed him it shut him up for a bit. Now he's back trying to find any way to make something fit his narrative once again.
Same way he wanted the Giants to draft Darnold, said how It was a perfect fit, and like a dog with a bone, won't ever let it go.
Huh? Mack is 28 in Feb and Beckham just turned 26. So Mack's ~21 months older than Beckham, not 4 years.
Who is?
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is it true that this happened on the Boomer/Gio show this morning? Then we can discuss how credible Boomer has been.
Except it is. You don't see anywhere else talking about Boomer.
Boomer most definitely talked about it this morning, a couple of different times in fact. I don't know if he was the start of it or he took it from Leonard but he once again was being a shit stirrer in regards to the Giants and OBJ.
He was all over them in the preseason saying how the Giants should trade OBJ, and once they signed him it shut him up for a bit. Now he's back trying to find any way to make something fit his narrative once again.
Same way he wanted the Giants to draft Darnold, said how It was a perfect fit, and like a dog with a bone, won't ever let it go.
I'm not saying he didn't. I'm saying no one gave Boomer the time of day except Leonard. This rumor is absolutely pointless.
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is it true that this happened on the Boomer/Gio show this morning? Then we can discuss how credible Boomer has been.
Except it is. You don't see anywhere else talking about Boomer.
Boomer most definitely talked about it this morning, a couple of different times in fact. I don't know if he was the start of it or he took it from Leonard but he once again was being a shit stirrer in regards to the Giants and OBJ.
He was all over them in the preseason saying how the Giants should trade OBJ, and once they signed him it shut him up for a bit. Now he's back trying to find any way to make something fit his narrative once again.
Same way he wanted the Giants to draft Darnold, said how It was a perfect fit, and like a dog with a bone, won't ever let it go.
I'm not saying he didn't. I'm saying no one gave Boomer the time of day except Leonard. This rumor is absolutely pointless.
Ahh ok, gotcha. Sorry I misinterpreted what you said and thought you were saying he didn't talk about it.
I agree with you about it being a pointless rumor and no one else giving any substance to a Boomer shit stirring rumor besides Leonard. Two haves, IMO who deserve each other.
Paying big money for elite talent is fine. Good actually. It's much better than paying a few million less for a guy who's a tier or two lower. Youd much rather pay the extra millions for a top 3 guy than save a few and have a guy in the 15-20 range.
Totally agree with this. It just doesn’t add up unless you don’t believe in the player. I’m not a fan of some of Beckham’s antics but there’s no denying how talented a player he is and the impact he has.
Do you think the Bears are happy about the Mack trade? I’ll take the great player over the allure of future picks any day.
And Boomer is a complete clown. I have no idea why this guy is given the platform he has. What intelligent insight does he ever offer? And the 2 first round picks was thrown out by Giannotti. You think he’s connected at all in the league??? Come on.
Fans could wear/purchase Barkley jerseys and how excited would Giants feel about having a elite talent in the Front 7 again? Plus they will make even more money as fans will have to be more jerseys with Beckham's retired to the attic.
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I’m not saying there is any merit to it likely happening but how is this a Leonard thing when he is only reporting what Boomer said? Your implication is that he made it up, but he didn’t. Boomer said it on the air.
The point is, Leonard is such a hack that the best he can do for content (when he's not just making shit up himself) is to take a comment from Esiason and pass it off as news.
Since NFL jersey sales are split evenly across 31 teams (the Cowboys being the lone exception that keep their own merch revenue entirely but also do not receive any shared merch revenue), I'd sincerely hope that jersey sales don't factor into Mara/Tisch's considerations at all.
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think about. Two number ones?
Beckham is probably my favorite player, but how do you turn down getting two highly rated players for the one?
Will we get a player of Beckham's talents or importance? Probably not. But choose a player group (OL, secondary, LB) and it's solved.
Or, use the extra picks as chips to move up and take the best QB. A QB I might add, under control for cheap, meaning you take the cap savings there and apply it to depth or high profile free agents.
Pretty simple when you look at the history of the draft and you realize that the odds are that neither of those prospects will come close to OBJ's abilities. They are lottery tickets.
Sure, but does two very good players versus one excellent player make the team better? WR is an impact position, but what effect on the whole offense would two high picks (if the players are as good as their evaluation) playing on the OL be?
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think about. Two number ones?
Beckham is probably my favorite player, but how do you turn down getting two highly rated players for the one?
Will we get a player of Beckham's talents or importance? Probably not. But choose a player group (OL, secondary, LB) and it's solved.
Or, use the extra picks as chips to move up and take the best QB. A QB I might add, under control for cheap, meaning you take the cap savings there and apply it to depth or high profile free agents.
Because Beckham is a proven ELITE player not just a good or very good one. You make it sound like trading him doesn't create another hole. The Giants WR corps would be the worst in the entire league minus Beckham and there is zero guarantee the 2 picks from the Browns are end up "anything". Last I checked our 2 of our last 3 first round picks aren't even on the roster anymore (and suck), and Engram doesn't exactly look like a stud. Giants last 10 1sts you could argue only Beckham, Barkley, JPP and Nicks were ever above average players.
Its well know that the draft is a crapshoot. The only way you win at the draft is to have the most chances to get good players. Two number one picks (in addition to our high number one) gets you three chances for great players for the cost of one. If you trust your player evaluation, that's a worthwhile gamble. Heck, we can go 2-7 without Beckham.
What most people seem to overlook is that football is considered entertainment. While some may argue that the product that has been on the field lately, hasn't been. It still has grown the fanbase and put money in the owner's pockets. While they will appease fans with public statements saying they only care about winning, don't kid yourself. They care about making more money. If winning achieves that goal, great.
No one has ever bought an Eli Apple, Justin Pugh, Ereck Flowers jersey except for their moms. Mara/Tisch aren't making their decision solely based on jersey sales, but don't be so naive to think it doesn't have some consideration. No one cares about pre-game warmup. But since OBJ does OBJ things, he has made the pre-game must see t.v. OBJ transcends just a talented player. He is a brand himself that represents Big Blue. The owners can churn through #1 picks and not achieve the same marketability.
Well, this is an argument about whether the Maras would make that move if they took a hit on revenue, not whether the move would make the team better.
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it's almost a guarantee that Gruden goes QB - which means you're not getting the top guy. In a weak draft for QBs, doesn't make sense to fork over picks to move up for the runner up.
Sure, then if you have a smart GM you load up on OL so Lauletta looks like a superstar because he only has to throw the ball 10 times a game. Just like the Cowboys did with Dak.
You haven't by any chance seen any web or news articles this year have you? Otherwise, are you seriously suggesting the Cowboys strategy is the way to go?
All I'm saying is that their investments in the OL made what might be a decent QB look great (when all of them were playing). It's certainly a lower-risk play than drafting a QB high.
I'm not arguing that the OL isn't the most important aspect of an offense because it is, but you don't need to trade an all-world star to build it. Wouldn't OBJ help a young QB or do we want a young QB throwing to nobodies?
Pfft, picks around #10 overall always become very good players.
- Flowers, Apple
I'm not arguing that the OL isn't the most important aspect of an offense because it is, but you don't need to trade an all-world star to build it. Wouldn't OBJ help a young QB or do we want a young QB throwing to nobodies?
I think they have one more year (2019) before he hits FA, but I sure as hell hope they pay him franchise QB money! They are just now getting out of years of cap hell and extending Lawrence (who's worth it), Cooper, and Prescott will quickly use up that space and the latter two suck.
A caller then pointed out Baker is a young QB, but Boomer said that his one year experience in the league would be what is needed to reign in OBJs erratic behavior....
It's obvious he doesn't even believe what he is saying. Just stirring shit.
I'll believe it when I see it. Anything over Blake Bortles money is a win for the rest of the NFC East!
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And on the same career arc. Any deal starts at the Mack trade plus more, and none of this late first round pick bullshit.
Huh? Mack is 28 in Feb and Beckham just turned 26. So Mack's ~21 months older than Beckham, not 4 years.
Thought mack was 29 and Beckham just turned 25. My bad.
Its still a younger player on a long term contract that's been widely considered fair for both sides. They should expect at least as much if not more.
A caller then pointed out Baker is a young QB, but Boomer said that his one year experience in the league would be what is needed to reign in OBJs erratic behavior....
It's obvious he doesn't even believe what he is saying. Just stirring shit.
Yea, I heard that. Too bad none of the callers told him to look at Hopkins #s with Watson at QB last season:
7 games, 45 rec 606 yds 7 TDs (projected to 16 games: 102 rec 1385 yds 16 TDs...)
And Landry's #s with Mayfield at QB aren't far from his normal pace: 102 rec 970 yds 4.5 TDs
And Landry isn't remotely as dynamic as Beckham.
Its still a younger player on a long term contract that's been widely considered fair for both sides. They should expect at least as much if not more.
That I agree with. Top pass rushers are the 2nd most important position, but elite WRs aren't far behind and are 3rd (based on average salaries). But the biggest difference is that Beckham's already signed his extension. Thus, the Giants are on the hook for the signing bonus. That reduces the AAV by ~$4M per year for the team acquiring him putting his cap hits in the $14-17M range each season or about $8M per season less than Mack's.
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it's almost a guarantee that Gruden goes QB - which means you're not getting the top guy. In a weak draft for QBs, doesn't make sense to fork over picks to move up for the runner up.
Sure, then if you have a smart GM you load up on OL so Lauletta looks like a superstar because he only has to throw the ball 10 times a game. Just like the Cowboys did with Dak.
You haven't by any chance seen any web or news articles this year have you? Otherwise, are you seriously suggesting the Cowboys strategy is the way to go?
All I'm saying is that their investments in the OL made what might be a decent QB look great (when all of them were playing). It's certainly a lower-risk play than drafting a QB high.
It only worked for one year. Every attempt at putting more responsibility for the offense on Dak has led to worse seasons than his rookie year.
I said that day what I will say again today- that contract will wind up setting the team back at least 4 years.
You think the dumb stuff that Beckham does now is annoying? (I'm not even talking the on the field stuff, which to Beckham's credit he has toned down)
Wait until the team has a young rookie QB learning and Beckham is getting 3 catches for 30 yards for a few weeks. How do you think that will play with Mr. Ego?
The Giants put their eggs in the Beckham basket based on 6 months of choir boy behavior.
Back to the original point- if the Browns offered a high first I sprint, a middle round first I run and a low first I jog. For a high 2nd I still do it, although reluctantly but with the understanding of the big picture of the team never being successful with Beckham type players.
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it's almost a guarantee that Gruden goes QB - which means you're not getting the top guy. In a weak draft for QBs, doesn't make sense to fork over picks to move up for the runner up.
Sure, then if you have a smart GM you load up on OL so Lauletta looks like a superstar because he only has to throw the ball 10 times a game. Just like the Cowboys did with Dak.
You haven't by any chance seen any web or news articles this year have you? Otherwise, are you seriously suggesting the Cowboys strategy is the way to go?
All I'm saying is that their investments in the OL made what might be a decent QB look great (when all of them were playing). It's certainly a lower-risk play than drafting a QB high.
It only worked for one year. Every attempt at putting more responsibility for the offense on Dak has led to worse seasons than his rookie year.
Sure, but if I recall correctly they've had some injuries on the line. Still, they've had have better seasons than the Giants recently. They're still in the hunt this year, although that says more about the crappy NFCE.
Oddly, it's never been Gruden's nature to use young QBs. Except that one year in Tampa when he went young with a rookie in Gradkowski when Simms got hurt, Gruden has been all in on vets - Gannon, Johnson, Griese, Garcia et al. So actually think he stays with Carr or goes for another veteran...It's just not is forte developing QBs...
OBJ IS LEAGUE WIDE ELITE Top 10 talent.
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it's almost a guarantee that Gruden goes QB - which means you're not getting the top guy. In a weak draft for QBs, doesn't make sense to fork over picks to move up for the runner up.
Oddly, it's never been Gruden's nature to use young QBs. Except that one year in Tampa when he went young with a rookie in Gradkowski when Simms got hurt, Gruden has been all in on vets - Gannon, Johnson, Griese, Garcia et al. So actually think he stays with Carr or goes for another veteran...It's just not is forte developing QBs...
Maybe we can trade him Eli for their #1? :)
True and agree
Absolutely. And they have a likely back-up in Mullens. They are thinking WRs and D, particularly the secondary.
Both teams are separated by just a game, and their coaches want nothing more than to win a string of games.
This thread is more suited for the offseason.........
Good pt, OBJ will be over the hill in two years.
That being said I have zero trust that we are in that category.
New York Browns.
I said that day what I will say again today- that contract will wind up setting the team back at least 4 years.
You think the dumb stuff that Beckham does now is annoying? (I'm not even talking the on the field stuff, which to Beckham's credit he has toned down)
Wait until the team has a young rookie QB learning and Beckham is getting 3 catches for 30 yards for a few weeks. How do you think that will play with Mr. Ego?
The Giants put their eggs in the Beckham basket based on 6 months of choir boy behavior.
Back to the original point- if the Browns offered a high first I sprint, a middle round first I run and a low first I jog. For a high 2nd I still do it, although reluctantly but with the understanding of the big picture of the team never being successful with Beckham type players.
Are you this much of a joke of a human being in your real life, or just when you pollute BBI?
They definitely won't but they could be looking to trade the pick to a team that does. Lynch would be crucified if he drafted a QB less than a year after giving Garoppolo a monster deal.
Back to the original point- if the Browns offered a high first I sprint, a middle round first I run and a low first I jog. For a high 2nd I still do it, although reluctantly but with the understanding of the big picture of the team never being successful with Beckham type players.
Great point. How could the Giants ever be successful with a young superstar at a premium position.
More importantly, OBJ is a generational talent. You build around him.