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Jim Bur(n)t : 11/15/2018 9:48 am
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It is Pat Leonard  
nygiants16 : 11/15/2018 9:49 am : link
please stop
Pat Leonard is a doofus  
Anakim : 11/15/2018 9:50 am : link
The trade deadline has long passed. The earliest he can be traded is what? February? So many things can happen between now and then. Absolute zero reason to post this article now.
I only trust  
RottenApple : 11/15/2018 9:50 am : link
Slade.
No idea if there's anything to it.  
Beezer : 11/15/2018 9:53 am : link
But if the Giants could get two 1st-rounders-plus? I think that might be a solid deal for the Giants, going forward.
except it's not Pat Leonard  
Rocky369 : 11/15/2018 9:53 am : link
is it true that this happened on the Boomer/Gio show this morning? Then we can discuss how credible Boomer has been.
Can't for the BBI mock drafts  
ZogZerg : 11/15/2018 9:54 am : link
Showing the Giants picking for the Cleveland picks - "if" there was a trade...
RE: except it's not Pat Leonard  
Anakim : 11/15/2018 9:55 am : link
In comment 14178306 Rocky369 said:
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is it true that this happened on the Boomer/Gio show this morning? Then we can discuss how credible Boomer has been.


Except it is. You don't see anywhere else talking about Boomer.
RE: except it's not Pat Leonard  
nygiants16 : 11/15/2018 9:55 am : link
In comment 14178306 Rocky369 said:
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is it true that this happened on the Boomer/Gio show this morning? Then we can discuss how credible Boomer has been.


it is pat leonard he is the knly beat writer writing an article about it...

there is reaaon he was kicked off of the rangers beat and why snacks harrison said he wanted to punch him in the face
Pat Leonard vs. Jordan Ranaan  
dep026 : 11/15/2018 10:00 am : link
worlds worst beat reporter?

Two fucking schmucks who couldnt find their dicks with a magnify glass.
Can the Giants trade OBJ  
Beer Man : 11/15/2018 10:00 am : link
Without taking a big "Dead Money" hit against the 2019 salary cap?
RE: Pat Leonard vs. Jordan Ranaan  
Anakim : 11/15/2018 10:00 am : link
In comment 14178320 dep026 said:
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worlds worst beat reporter?

Two fucking schmucks who couldnt find their dicks with a magnify glass.


At least Raanan breaks news. Leonard does nothing.
I'd  
AcidTest : 11/15/2018 10:01 am : link
be surprised if this happened, but we did hear rumors before the trade deadline that everyone was available except Barkley. Spotrac also says that the 2019 cap hit for trading Beckham before June 1 once the new league starts is only $16M. For the right haul of draft picks, the Giants might be willing to swallow that hit, especially since they will be cutting Eli after this season. The also absorbed a big cap hit ($15M?) when they traded JPP. Let me reiterate that I don't think this will happen, and don't want it to, unless the return is extraordinary.
All you need to know about Esiason  
jcn56 : 11/15/2018 10:01 am : link
you can learn from hearing him talk about Eli or the Mannings in general.

The discussion can start on anything you'd like - football stats, passing camps, a commercial they made - and it'll be on money in 30 seconds or less. You would think the Mannings robbed this guy's family at some point, he's extremely bitter about how much money they have.
If Boomer really had good info  
nygiants16 : 11/15/2018 10:03 am : link
he is not waiting until the very end of a show to say something, he is saying it at the beginning and tweeting it out
He has never been an Eli fan  
Keith : 11/15/2018 10:04 am : link
and he's def clued in with one of the Giants owners. I think he's close with Tisch and has been clued in on a lot(specifically OBJ). I don't doubt that the Browns would do something like this. On the surface, I wouldn't do it if I'm the Gians. Depends on what picks they are(we will know after the season) and who is available.

Pretty much the only way I'd even consider it is if there is a QB that we LOVE that we know will be available there.
This  
DanMetroMan : 11/15/2018 10:07 am : link
wouldn't be the draft to do this. Just isn't the QB (or any) prospect so unbelievable that picking 1/1 would be worth giving up Beckham. If it meant moving up to land Tua or Lawrence that's another story but since they aren't coming out...
Putting aside the dynamic duo of who reported this, its fun to  
mikeinbloomfield : 11/15/2018 10:08 am : link
think about. Two number ones?

Beckham is probably my favorite player, but how do you turn down getting two highly rated players for the one?

Will we get a player of Beckham's talents or importance? Probably not. But choose a player group (OL, secondary, LB) and it's solved.

Or, use the extra picks as chips to move up and take the best QB. A QB I might add, under control for cheap, meaning you take the cap savings there and apply it to depth or high profile free agents.
Boomer is an asshole  
Tom from LI : 11/15/2018 10:08 am : link
and a shit stirrer. I don't listen to anything he says.
Leonard lives to rile you guys up  
JonC : 11/15/2018 10:09 am : link
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I would only consider making that trade with the Browns,  
Drewcon40 : 11/15/2018 10:10 am : link
if it's for 2 firsts, Vontae Mack and David Putney.
Any trade discussion would have to start at 2 #1 picks - minimum.  
Diver_Down : 11/15/2018 10:11 am : link
If a trade were to occur, the Browns would be on the hook for the salary guarantees that inflated OBJ's deal. We would eat $16M in dead cap.

Mara/Tisch are not going to eat $16M unless the return is great. And we are not settling for #1 picks in the bottom of the round.
Even if there was a QB they were interested in  
jcn56 : 11/15/2018 10:11 am : link
it's almost a guarantee that Gruden goes QB - which means you're not getting the top guy. In a weak draft for QBs, doesn't make sense to fork over picks to move up for the runner up.
RE: Putting aside the dynamic duo of who reported this, its fun to  
DanMetroMan : 11/15/2018 10:15 am : link
In comment 14178340 mikeinbloomfield said:
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think about. Two number ones?

Beckham is probably my favorite player, but how do you turn down getting two highly rated players for the one?

Will we get a player of Beckham's talents or importance? Probably not. But choose a player group (OL, secondary, LB) and it's solved.

Or, use the extra picks as chips to move up and take the best QB. A QB I might add, under control for cheap, meaning you take the cap savings there and apply it to depth or high profile free agents.


Because Beckham is a proven ELITE player not just a good or very good one. You make it sound like trading him doesn't create another hole. The Giants WR corps would be the worst in the entire league minus Beckham and there is zero guarantee the 2 picks from the Browns are end up "anything". Last I checked our 2 of our last 3 first round picks aren't even on the roster anymore (and suck), and Engram doesn't exactly look like a stud. Giants last 10 1sts you could argue only Beckham, Barkley, JPP and Nicks were ever above average players.
RE: Leonard lives to rile you guys up  
Emil : 11/15/2018 10:15 am : link
In comment 14178342 JonC said:
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Thanks Jon, always great to have a voice of reason around here.

Seriously guys, Leonard thrives off of your high blood pressure.

If this really was a thing, it probably would have happened weeks ago. Not to mention, the financial picture hasn't changed. I'm sure that discussion happened. I'm sure the Browns called. I'm also sure the Giants said "no, you don't have enough to acquire a generational talent. Who quite honestly is finally leading his teammates at the moment. OBJ is part of this turn around, not a piece to be shopped for non-descript parts and lottery tickets.
RE: Even if there was a QB they were interested in  
mikeinbloomfield : 11/15/2018 10:16 am : link
In comment 14178349 jcn56 said:
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it's almost a guarantee that Gruden goes QB - which means you're not getting the top guy. In a weak draft for QBs, doesn't make sense to fork over picks to move up for the runner up.


Sure, then if you have a smart GM you load up on OL so Lauletta looks like a superstar because he only has to throw the ball 10 times a game. Just like the Cowboys did with Dak.
RE: Can the Giants trade OBJ  
giants#1 : 11/15/2018 10:17 am : link
In comment 14178321 Beer Man said:
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Without taking a big "Dead Money" hit against the 2019 salary cap?


Trading him in the offseason will leave $16M in dead money against the 2019 cap, but technically "save" $5M in cap space since he's currently set to earn $21M.
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mikeinbloomfield : 11/15/2018 10:19 am : link
In comment 14178354 DanMetroMan said:
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think about. Two number ones?

Beckham is probably my favorite player, but how do you turn down getting two highly rated players for the one?

Will we get a player of Beckham's talents or importance? Probably not. But choose a player group (OL, secondary, LB) and it's solved.

Or, use the extra picks as chips to move up and take the best QB. A QB I might add, under control for cheap, meaning you take the cap savings there and apply it to depth or high profile free agents.



Because Beckham is a proven ELITE player not just a good or very good one. You make it sound like trading him doesn't create another hole. The Giants WR corps would be the worst in the entire league minus Beckham and there is zero guarantee the 2 picks from the Browns are end up "anything". Last I checked our 2 of our last 3 first round picks aren't even on the roster anymore (and suck), and Engram doesn't exactly look like a stud. Giants last 10 1sts you could argue only Beckham, Barkley, JPP and Nicks were ever above average players.


Its well know that the draft is a crapshoot. The only way you win at the draft is to have the most chances to get good players. Two number one picks (in addition to our high number one) gets you three chances for great players for the cost of one. If you trust your player evaluation, that's a worthwhile gamble. Heck, we can go 2-7 without Beckham.
RE: Can the Giants trade OBJ  
ron mexico : 11/15/2018 10:21 am : link
In comment 14178321 Beer Man said:
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Without taking a big "Dead Money" hit against the 2019 salary cap?


we would have 16 mil in dead cap if traded after the season offset by taking his 16mil salary off the books

So the impact of trading him would be zero cap improvement year one plus what ever picks we get.

I have been wrong on these things in the past but I think this is how it would work


The  
DanMetroMan : 11/15/2018 10:22 am : link
Browns currently pick 6th, the "2nd" number one would be in 2020 (they don't own 2 picks this year) which stud prospects are there this year that the gamble makes sense? Gruden isn't passing on Herbert so it won't be a QB. Just using one mock draft the 2019 Giants would be minus Beckham and adding (per Washington Post's new mock) Quinnen Williams and a 2020 1st when the Browns conceivably could be/should be a better team. Sounds like a fools bet to me.
I refuse to click  
Optimus-NY : 11/15/2018 10:22 am : link
So should the rest of youz mongos!
RE: Leonard lives to rile you guys up  
steve in ky : 11/15/2018 10:23 am : link
In comment 14178342 JonC said:
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I’m not saying there is any merit to it likely happening but how is this a Leonard thing when he is only reporting what Boomer said? Your implication is that he made it up, but he didn’t. Boomer said it on the air.
In Favor  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/15/2018 10:24 am : link
It would have to be to get what the NYG thought was a true franchise QB. So would be Cleveland's 2019 1st, 2nd and next years first.

Giants take all the cap hits next year, rebuild OL and add impact front seven talent with lots of cap space for 2020.

This could be franchise turning point with young, well built lines on both sides and a Franchise Qb and HOF talent RB with a return to a tough defense that gets after the QB.

Flowers, Apple, Engram, Pugh, Wilson, Prince.  
Metnut : 11/15/2018 10:26 am : link
Even with two number ones it won't be easy to draft two above average starters, much less a generational talent like Beckham. Huge pass on trading OBJ.
If only the Giants and Browns  
Chris684 : 11/15/2018 10:26 am : link
could have pulled off something centered around Beckham and the #4 pick this past April. Ugh.
RE: RE: RE: Putting aside the dynamic duo of who reported this, its fun to  
Diver_Down : 11/15/2018 10:28 am : link
In comment 14178361 mikeinbloomfield said:
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think about. Two number ones?

Beckham is probably my favorite player, but how do you turn down getting two highly rated players for the one?

Will we get a player of Beckham's talents or importance? Probably not. But choose a player group (OL, secondary, LB) and it's solved.

Or, use the extra picks as chips to move up and take the best QB. A QB I might add, under control for cheap, meaning you take the cap savings there and apply it to depth or high profile free agents.



Because Beckham is a proven ELITE player not just a good or very good one. You make it sound like trading him doesn't create another hole. The Giants WR corps would be the worst in the entire league minus Beckham and there is zero guarantee the 2 picks from the Browns are end up "anything". Last I checked our 2 of our last 3 first round picks aren't even on the roster anymore (and suck), and Engram doesn't exactly look like a stud. Giants last 10 1sts you could argue only Beckham, Barkley, JPP and Nicks were ever above average players.



Its well know that the draft is a crapshoot. The only way you win at the draft is to have the most chances to get good players. Two number one picks (in addition to our high number one) gets you three chances for great players for the cost of one. If you trust your player evaluation, that's a worthwhile gamble. Heck, we can go 2-7 without Beckham.


What most people seem to overlook is that football is considered entertainment. While some may argue that the product that has been on the field lately, hasn't been. It still has grown the fanbase and put money in the owner's pockets. While they will appease fans with public statements saying they only care about winning, don't kid yourself. They care about making more money. If winning achieves that goal, great.

No one has ever bought an Eli Apple, Justin Pugh, Ereck Flowers jersey except for their moms. Mara/Tisch aren't making their decision solely based on jersey sales, but don't be so naive to think it doesn't have some consideration. No one cares about pre-game warmup. But since OBJ does OBJ things, he has made the pre-game must see t.v. OBJ transcends just a talented player. He is a brand himself that represents Big Blue. The owners can churn through #1 picks and not achieve the same marketability.
I would be down with this.  
MBavaro : 11/15/2018 10:28 am : link
We need draft picks, and Cleveland is probably the only other team in the NFL I wouldn't mind seeing OBJ playing for.
RE: RE: Leonard lives to rile you guys up  
JonC : 11/15/2018 10:31 am : link
In comment 14178371 steve in ky said:
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I’m not saying there is any merit to it likely happening but how is this a Leonard thing when he is only reporting what Boomer said? Your implication is that he made it up, but he didn’t. Boomer said it on the air.


Boomer says a lot of shit too, he's making money by you guys listening to him on air. Leonard has demonstrated repeatedly in the same, and they all scratch each other's backs to get listeners, web clicks, viewers, etc.

I don't see NYG trading OB after working so hard for so long to get him inked long term, either. He's a core foundation talent.
RE: Putting aside the dynamic duo of who reported this, its fun to  
Keith : 11/15/2018 10:33 am : link
In comment 14178340 mikeinbloomfield said:
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think about. Two number ones?

Beckham is probably my favorite player, but how do you turn down getting two highly rated players for the one?

Will we get a player of Beckham's talents or importance? Probably not. But choose a player group (OL, secondary, LB) and it's solved.

Or, use the extra picks as chips to move up and take the best QB. A QB I might add, under control for cheap, meaning you take the cap savings there and apply it to depth or high profile free agents.


Pretty simple when you look at the history of the draft and you realize that the odds are that neither of those prospects will come close to OBJ's abilities. They are lottery tickets.
Jarvis Landry, guy who already is stuck in Cleveland says:  
NoPeanutz : 11/15/2018 10:34 am : link
"Other guy who hates the winter in NYC would love to play in Cleveland!"
LOL I'll believe it when I hear it from Beckham's mouth.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Putting aside the dynamic duo of who reported this, its fun to  
ron mexico : 11/15/2018 10:35 am : link
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think about. Two number ones?

Beckham is probably my favorite player, but how do you turn down getting two highly rated players for the one?

Will we get a player of Beckham's talents or importance? Probably not. But choose a player group (OL, secondary, LB) and it's solved.

Or, use the extra picks as chips to move up and take the best QB. A QB I might add, under control for cheap, meaning you take the cap savings there and apply it to depth or high profile free agents.



Because Beckham is a proven ELITE player not just a good or very good one. You make it sound like trading him doesn't create another hole. The Giants WR corps would be the worst in the entire league minus Beckham and there is zero guarantee the 2 picks from the Browns are end up "anything". Last I checked our 2 of our last 3 first round picks aren't even on the roster anymore (and suck), and Engram doesn't exactly look like a stud. Giants last 10 1sts you could argue only Beckham, Barkley, JPP and Nicks were ever above average players.



Its well know that the draft is a crapshoot. The only way you win at the draft is to have the most chances to get good players. Two number one picks (in addition to our high number one) gets you three chances for great players for the cost of one. If you trust your player evaluation, that's a worthwhile gamble. Heck, we can go 2-7 without Beckham.



What most people seem to overlook is that football is considered entertainment. While some may argue that the product that has been on the field lately, hasn't been. It still has grown the fanbase and put money in the owner's pockets. While they will appease fans with public statements saying they only care about winning, don't kid yourself. They care about making more money. If winning achieves that goal, great.

No one has ever bought an Eli Apple, Justin Pugh, Ereck Flowers jersey except for their moms. Mara/Tisch aren't making their decision solely based on jersey sales, but don't be so naive to think it doesn't have some consideration. No one cares about pre-game warmup. But since OBJ does OBJ things, he has made the pre-game must see t.v. OBJ transcends just a talented player. He is a brand himself that represents Big Blue. The owners can churn through #1 picks and not achieve the same marketability.


the pre game stuff is a good point. I wonder how much a bump in concession stand sales comes from people entering the stadium early to see the pre game show?

I bet its not an insignificant number, and a number that doesn't need to be split with the rest of the league.

RE: If Boomer really had good info  
TheMick7 : 11/15/2018 10:38 am : link
In comment 14178328 nygiants16 said:
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he is not waiting until the very end of a show to say something, he is saying it at the beginning and tweeting it out


He did.......yesterday! Boomer doesn't start rumors w/o him having some substance. He said he heard it from "NFL Insiders", who said the Browns have been talking about/exploring the possibility. The last time Boomer floated a rumor was Martin St Louis coming to the Rangers for 2 1st round picks. And,that came to fruition. Not saying this will ever happen but Leonard is only running w/what Boomer said.Have to believe there is, at the very least, conversations about it!
RE: RE: Even if there was a QB they were interested in  
jcn56 : 11/15/2018 10:40 am : link
In comment 14178356 mikeinbloomfield said:
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it's almost a guarantee that Gruden goes QB - which means you're not getting the top guy. In a weak draft for QBs, doesn't make sense to fork over picks to move up for the runner up.



Sure, then if you have a smart GM you load up on OL so Lauletta looks like a superstar because he only has to throw the ball 10 times a game. Just like the Cowboys did with Dak.


You haven't by any chance seen any web or news articles this year have you? Otherwise, are you seriously suggesting the Cowboys strategy is the way to go?
All I got from that was  
AcesUp : 11/15/2018 10:51 am : link
"the Browns would like to trade for Beckham". It doesn't mean the Giants would listen. Even if they are willing to listen, it doesn't mean that the Giants would settle. Considering it was two 1s when he was coming off an injury and there wasn't a huge dead money cap hit associated with moving him, it would probably have to be higher and I don't see any team going higher.
He's younger than Khalik Mack by 4 years  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/15/2018 10:57 am : link
And on the same career arc. Any deal starts at the Mack trade plus more, and none of this late first round pick bullshit.
RE: RE: except it's not Pat Leonard  
Eman11 : 11/15/2018 11:05 am : link
In comment 14178312 Anakim said:
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is it true that this happened on the Boomer/Gio show this morning? Then we can discuss how credible Boomer has been.



Except it is. You don't see anywhere else talking about Boomer.


Boomer most definitely talked about it this morning, a couple of different times in fact. I don't know if he was the start of it or he took it from Leonard but he once again was being a shit stirrer in regards to the Giants and OBJ.

He was all over them in the preseason saying how the Giants should trade OBJ, and once they signed him it shut him up for a bit. Now he's back trying to find any way to make something fit his narrative once again.

Same way he wanted the Giants to draft Darnold, said how It was a perfect fit, and like a dog with a bone, won't ever let it go.
RE: He's younger than Khalik Mack by 4 years  
giants#1 : 11/15/2018 11:07 am : link
In comment 14178425 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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And on the same career arc. Any deal starts at the Mack trade plus more, and none of this late first round pick bullshit.


Huh? Mack is 28 in Feb and Beckham just turned 26. So Mack's ~21 months older than Beckham, not 4 years.
RE: He's younger than Khalik Mack by 4 years  
Anakim : 11/15/2018 11:11 am : link
In comment 14178425 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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And on the same career arc. Any deal starts at the Mack trade plus more, and none of this late first round pick bullshit.


Who is?
RE: RE: RE: except it's not Pat Leonard  
Anakim : 11/15/2018 11:13 am : link
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is it true that this happened on the Boomer/Gio show this morning? Then we can discuss how credible Boomer has been.



Except it is. You don't see anywhere else talking about Boomer.



Boomer most definitely talked about it this morning, a couple of different times in fact. I don't know if he was the start of it or he took it from Leonard but he once again was being a shit stirrer in regards to the Giants and OBJ.

He was all over them in the preseason saying how the Giants should trade OBJ, and once they signed him it shut him up for a bit. Now he's back trying to find any way to make something fit his narrative once again.

Same way he wanted the Giants to draft Darnold, said how It was a perfect fit, and like a dog with a bone, won't ever let it go.



I'm not saying he didn't. I'm saying no one gave Boomer the time of day except Leonard. This rumor is absolutely pointless.
RE: RE: RE: RE: except it's not Pat Leonard  
Eman11 : 11/15/2018 11:17 am : link
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is it true that this happened on the Boomer/Gio show this morning? Then we can discuss how credible Boomer has been.



Except it is. You don't see anywhere else talking about Boomer.



Boomer most definitely talked about it this morning, a couple of different times in fact. I don't know if he was the start of it or he took it from Leonard but he once again was being a shit stirrer in regards to the Giants and OBJ.

He was all over them in the preseason saying how the Giants should trade OBJ, and once they signed him it shut him up for a bit. Now he's back trying to find any way to make something fit his narrative once again.

Same way he wanted the Giants to draft Darnold, said how It was a perfect fit, and like a dog with a bone, won't ever let it go.




I'm not saying he didn't. I'm saying no one gave Boomer the time of day except Leonard. This rumor is absolutely pointless.


Ahh ok, gotcha. Sorry I misinterpreted what you said and thought you were saying he didn't talk about it.

I agree with you about it being a pointless rumor and no one else giving any substance to a Boomer shit stirring rumor besides Leonard. Two haves, IMO who deserve each other.
Leonard is sitting in his  
B in ALB : 11/15/2018 11:20 am : link
stinky little cubicle getting a good laugh at bbis expense right now. He's just stirring shit up on a slow Thursday. The guy is a toilet bug.
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