according to ESPN Eli has not even been one of the 10 most pressured QB's in the league this year.
The OL has been horrific in run blocking but merely below average in pass blocking. Top 10 Most Pressured QB's - ( New Window )
Is there a way to see blitz percentage for QBs?
Defenses are getting pressure on Eli with 4-man rushes consistently all game leaving 7 guys in coverage.
Defenses don't have to bring the house because it only gives a better chance to our receivers. In fact, Eli's rating has been great against the blitz-- it's just that teams don't have to.
Eli has the Tied for the 4th fastest release time and Tied for the most sacks. That tells you a lot.
By some are astronomical. This was one play, in slow motion replay. Game speed is different. Where is a breakdown of the 19 completions and 3 touchdown passes?
That doesn't get people talking, your twitter attention, or the haters ammo.
according to ESPN Eli has not even been one of the 10 most pressured QB's in the league this year.
The OL has been horrific in run blocking but merely below average in pass blocking. Top 10 Most Pressured QB's - ( New Window )
Liked your chart above. Gotta take some issue with this list though. As mentioned later on in the comments Eli was #12, which puts him barely off the top ten, and furthermore, many of these top 10 QB's are holding the ball significantly longer than Eli. Eli's at 2.6 seconds average time to release, which is tied for third quickest in the NFL and only .03 seconds longer than the quickest. Here are how the other most pressured QB's compare:
And the least pressured QB's?
Roethlisberger - 2.58 (-0.02)
Brees - 2.57 (-0.03)
Flacco - 2.71 (.11)
Stafford - 2.7 (.1)
Brady - 2.61 (0.1)
Luck - 2.61 (0.1)
All the least pressured QB's are getting rid of the ball between 2.58 and 2.71 seconds after the snap. Eli is one of the outliers in that range - along with guys like Rosen, Mariota and Carr.
It's unfair to say the pass protection is middle of the pack. It's clear it's among the worst 5-6 worst OL in the league at providing protection to the QB. Maybe not as bad as AZ, TN, or Oak, but it's up there.
Another thing that doesn't get mentioned in these discussions... Â
could be coaching philosophy. Baldy discusses it early on. He doesn't know what is being taught or what's expected. I would think that in part Eli is learning to dump off quickly because he's been hit so much. But part of it could be the emphasis on completion percentage. I know that Shurmur spoke about comp % early this year quite a bit. He also has a history of improving QB comp %.
Remember Anish? He used to talk about how Eli's numbers were always off because Gilbride's system was more complex and the emphasis was not so much on the short, controlled passing game. He wondered how Eli's stats would look in a more QB rating passer-friendly system.
Well, Eli's numbers look a lot better in some ways. High completion %. Low INT's.
Unfortunately, low TD numbers and very low YPA. That's the trade off.
How much of the quick dump-off is due to a shell-shocked Eli, and how much of it is due to coaching/system expectations?
You're right Eli is NOT a WCO QB, he's a play-action, stand-and-deliver QB. You can see the after-effects of this quick release, high percentage training ...
In the WCO, he is trained to look at the "sure" short throw first, then long. The pounding he gets for not being mobile reinforces that option.
In film study, he looks incompetent.
The addition of Brown is a big plus; he stops the opponent's rush with ease and switches to secondary blocks smoothly.
Hernandez is going to be very good because of his natural strength, he just needs to get much lower to multiply his effect.
1. He was under pressure.
2. He wasn't actually under pressure, but you can't blame him for BELIEVING he was under pressure.
3. His receiver ran the wrong route.
4. You don't know what the play design was. (i.e. Maybe he was supposed to ignore a wide open OBJ down the field. )
5. Every QB misses wide open receives a few times a game.
6. Every QB makes a few bad throws a game.
7. No QB could succeed behind this OL.
8. We won anyway, what are you upset about (not much use for this one lately).
9. You just hate Eli for some reason.
10. The playcalling is not designed for his strengths 11. His receiver should have caught that ball thrown behind/over his head 12. The receiver stopped running 13.Reese and Ross etc etc
Oh thats right, its because Eli was failing in the old offense as well!
The Giants didnt randomly change the offense on s 2-time SB winning QB.
They changed it because the Giants started 0-6 and were ranked 28th in offense and it led to John Mara's famous "the offense is broken" comments and firing of Kevin Gilbride and changing of every other offensive player. and coach. Eli had just 18 TD to a league leading 27 INTs and missed playoffs for second straight year.
So lets not act like Giants threw a dart at a board that said WCO and said "hey lets change it up".
So, you're completely ignoring what Gilbride said?
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“Back in 2009 I started to argue that the line was getting old and 2010 we were getting beat up, we were still winning because we were still good enough. In 2011 even when we won the Super Bowl there were multiple guys getting hurt and banged up, and by 2012 we went 9-7 but we were hanging on by dear life,” Gilbride said. “We were hanging onto that windowsill with our fingernails. When 2013 happened and there were six different starters at running back, three different at right guard, four different at center, three at left guard. That stuff’s been going on for a while now.
“This isn’t just an overnight thing. People are acting like this just happened. This has been a buildup that needed to be addressed for a while.”
So, tell me all the all pro offensive linemen Reese drafted?
That's right, you can't. Any decent ones came through free agency, and there were plenty of duds. And yes, Eli has gotten worst, but you don't want to fact the facts that we have had crap at OL for a long time, despite throwing picks and FA money at the position.
Fact: The Giants used a second-round pick on left tackle Will Beatty in 2009. They didn’t use another high draft pick on the offensive line until taking Justin Pugh in the first round of the 2013 NFL Draft.
Fact: In 2009, the David Diehl-Rich-Seubert-Shaun O’Hara-Chris Snee-Kareem McKenzie offensive line was intact.
Fact: O’Hara played only six games in 2010 and then retired due to injury. Seubert, who fought though multiple injuries, also retired after 2010. McKenzie retired after the 2011 season. Diehl hung on through 2013, but his last couple of seasons were regrettable. Snee played only three games in 2013 due to injuries, then retired after an aborted 2014 comeback attempt.
Fact: A full three-year gap existed before the Giants attempted to add a significant piece to the line.
A GM who has a franchise QB, and either does nothing or is incompetent in protecting the franchise QB needs to be fired. If you're upset, be upset at Mara, who was too stubborn to face all the facts, and let Reese waste the end career of the best QB the Giants ever had.
is why the team put in a WCO, because Reese was incompetent. It had nothing to do with Eli, the team could not pass protect or run the ball like they did under Gilbride's system.
When the foundation (the OL) for Kevin's system decayed, so did the offense. Gilbride told people what the problem was, but that didn't look good for the GM. Ever since Kevin was fired, and Eli forced to change to a new system (even to the point where he had to change his mechanics), he hasn't been the same QB.
I'll quote Rich Cannon's remarks to the NY Post:
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But former quarterback Rich Gannon, an NFL MVP, described it as a “very uncomfortable and difficult process” ahead.
“That’s why when you look at Peyton Manning’s success, you look at Tom Brady’s success, Aaron Rodgers’ success, Drew Brees’ success, they all are in one system, essentially,” Gannon told the New York Post. “Not a lot of new learning. That’s important when you look at that position. So there’s risk involved when you take a guy like Eli, who’s so established in his career and has had great success, now all of a sudden you make a dramatic change.”
Again, this did not need to happen, if we had a competent GM at the helm who could draft offensive linemen.
but yet some are going play by play, in slow motion, looking for plays where Eli is not throwing to the right player? Plus they are doing this without knowing the progressions? You do realize you could do this for any QB in the NFL right? Its a game played by people, not Madden, and these guys have about 2-3 seconds to make a decision. Sure, if we are sitting on our couch watch a frame by frame slow-mo I bet there are other people open. However what about the fact that most times Eli completed the pass he was throwing.
We have 5 wins in the last 2 seasons and we just beat a garbage team by the skin of our teeth and its the nitpicking thats out of control. Eli didn't have a good game. He had a great drive and a decent half, but it wasn't all that good. There is no excuse for this video. Good players don't miss guys that open and the excuses by some fans in an effort to defend their fave is sad. When its not the OL fault or the coach or the WR's or the def, people still make a ton of excuses. Its true though, guys like Nathan Peterman and Nick Mullins might miss those throws, so we are in a great situation!
Not sure why it becomes about criticizing Eli. He simply says he doesn’t understand what is being coached. I imagine Eli will start adjusting to these looks if the Oline continues to protect consistently like they did in San Fran. I mean ny goodness, Eli isn’t a robot. That was the first time in a long time he was able to play behind a somewhat functional unit. He’ll see through film study that his line is holding up and will adjust to it. Jeez.
It's so obvious that our 37 year old QB that's been on a downward slide for 3 straight years is just gonna snap out of it and start to play like an elite QB. Geez guys, can't everyone see that??
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[quote] but yet some are going play by play, in slow motion, looking for plays where Eli is not throwing to the right player? Plus they are doing this without knowing the progressions? You do realize you could do this for any QB in the NFL right? Its a game played by people, not Madden, and these guys have about 2-3 seconds to make a decision. Sure, if we are sitting on our couch watch a frame by frame slow-mo I bet there are other people open. However what about the fact that most times Eli completed the pass he was throwing.
+1
And agree that every QB misses throws. God forbid Eli miss any though. Then the whole world gets out their pitchforks and torches. He also had 3tds and no ints.
It's so obvious that our 37 year old QB that's been on a downward slide for 3 straight years is just gonna snap out of it and start to play like an elite QB. Geez guys, can't everyone see that??
Is anybody saying that?
Counterpoint, the bizarre attempt to find new ways to criticize him each week is what has gotten out of control.
Can't even say he had a good game on Monday night. That's what's comical.
on the plays he has time. Kurt Warners reply is spot on, he is telling you why its time to move on Eli. Eli has happy feet, mental clock and panics. Wilson's like is worse and he hangs in, delivers and throws dimes.
Take MNF, Eli had his best pocket in years for most of the game. Keep in mind the 49ers had EIGHT sacks the week before. Eli underthrew Odell, Barkley, and Engram on go/wheel easy LONG td's. He panicked and checked down 3 times, including the Baldy video. There is simply no other qb in the NFL with a player like Beckham, that checks down there BEFORE looking 13's way. Eli is a clock panic'er in the pocket. Of course, he is the exact opposite of the clock pre play, he loves to pressure the OL into false starts by winding it to 1. Because he must scream and point at that miracle MIKE LB'er LOL. It's seriously made our O great all these years.
There are large handful that cry worse than cowboys fans, and that’s what I find truly comical.
I wouldn't expect you to see it there pal. Everyone in the world sees it except a small handful of Eli's most faithful. He deserves to be criticized for his play.
The throw to Barkley was absolutely not an underthrow or even a bad throw. As a matter of fact.... it had no chance of being completed due to the fact BARKLEY NEVER LOOKED FOR THE BALL!
Once Barkley turns up field, if he looks for the ball like most normal WRs do... it’s an easy catch, it’s an easy track of the ball. But since he never looks for it... it looks like it’s elis fault even though it just missed his foot.
Anyone see Rodgers touchdown pass to Jones yesterday. Jones has to turn around and back pedal for a few steps before making the catch? That’s call tracking the ball and making the catch... something Barkley did not do whatsoever.
RE: RE: RE: There is a small handful of Giants fans Â
There are large handful that cry worse than cowboys fans, and that’s what I find truly comical.
I wouldn't expect you to see it there pal. Everyone in the world sees it except a small handful of Eli's most faithful. He deserves to be criticized for his play.
Pleas on the post above yours, the poster is bitching about a TD pass that went through engrams hands as a mean to shit on him. Like I said... it’s comical at this point.
The throw to Barkley was absolutely not an underthrow or even a bad throw. As a matter of fact.... it had no chance of being completed due to the fact BARKLEY NEVER LOOKED FOR THE BALL!
Sy disagrees with you.
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He did have 2 poor under throws on plays where Beckham and Barkley beat their man deep, respectively.
The throw to Barkley was absolutely not an underthrow or even a bad throw. As a matter of fact.... it had no chance of being completed due to the fact BARKLEY NEVER LOOKED FOR THE BALL!
Sy disagrees with you.
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He did have 2 poor under throws on plays where Beckham and Barkley beat their man deep, respectively.
And I disagree with him on it. I think it could have easily been caught if Barkley looks for the ball earlier.
and discuss things that will probably actually happen rather than delusional things like cuts, trades, and restructures that really aren't likely to happen.
Seems to me that the ones that discuss such things that really aren't likely to happen but they WANT to have happen are the ones that lack self awareness that they are speaking emotionally rather than logically.
yeah dep, thats why. Not because of your behavior for the past 15 years.
Britt, breakin news....you are not.
Sometimes I wonder what the fuck you’re talking about. Then I realize even you don’t know. It’s always an interior motive with you. But you aren’t smart enough to even know what one is.
OMG i defended Eli for his career so I can’t defend a play here and there anymore.
And I love how you bust Britts balls as if you’re smarter than him... even though he was more accurate than anyone else in BBI on what was gonna happen to Eli this year.
Eli is simply missing on too many opportunities, which in costly the team dearly, and he's the highest paid - not a good combination. I hope he finishes with an overall winning record by the end of this year and then retires. Either way, time to move on right after the season is over - need to turn the page.
He would have tapped his chest as in “my fault” like he always does. On the false start by Pulley on the final drive, Eli tapped his chest to apologize to his center. He didn’t do that on the throw.
He did throw a back shoulder to Barkley on fourth down earlier in the year. It’s not outlandish or delusional to think Eli threw to where he was expecting Barkley to be. No doubt Eli and Barkley discussed it. I don’t see how that play proves anything other than they simply missed the connection.
the pass to Barkley was not in an ideal spot, imo.
The defense had two men on Barkley. The ideal spot was to lead him because he had both men beat and the single-high safety was late getting over. Not sure if he would have scored, and who can say whether it was a bad throw, given that we don't know what the play was supposed to be. On top of that, the drive worked out even better for the Giants since they scored the TD anyway and ran more clock off which was crucial.
And Barkley turned to look for the ball twice as he ran the route but didn't get his head around far enough to pick up the ball until too late to adjust. I'm pretty sure where the ball was placed would have made for a very difficult catch given the double-coverage.
But an ideal spot for that ball given how it unfolded would have been leading Barkley on the sideline.
Mistakes are magnified on a bad team where the margin for error is smaller. Nobody cares if he misses an open receiver if the offense is averaging 28 points and he's playing well.
The OL has been horrific in run blocking but merely below average in pass blocking. Top 10 Most Pressured QB's - ( New Window )
Is there a way to see blitz percentage for QBs?
Defenses are getting pressure on Eli with 4-man rushes consistently all game leaving 7 guys in coverage.
Defenses don't have to bring the house because it only gives a better chance to our receivers. In fact, Eli's rating has been great against the blitz-- it's just that teams don't have to.
Eli has the Tied for the 4th fastest release time and Tied for the most sacks. That tells you a lot.
That was a bad look and I m not so certain it happens in every game to every quarterback.
That was a touchdown turned into a forced inc.
https://www.giants.com/video/all-touchdowns-from-giants-vs-49ers
How dumb can u be
That doesn't get people talking, your twitter attention, or the haters ammo.
The OL has been horrific in run blocking but merely below average in pass blocking. Top 10 Most Pressured QB's - ( New Window )
Liked your chart above. Gotta take some issue with this list though. As mentioned later on in the comments Eli was #12, which puts him barely off the top ten, and furthermore, many of these top 10 QB's are holding the ball significantly longer than Eli. Eli's at 2.6 seconds average time to release, which is tied for third quickest in the NFL and only .03 seconds longer than the quickest. Here are how the other most pressured QB's compare:
Watson- 3.13 (.53 seconds longer than Eli)
Rosen - 2.61 (.01)
Wilson - 2.96 (.36)
Prescott - 3.01 (.41)
Osweiler - 2.78 (.18)
Mahomes - 2.85 (.25)
Darnold - 2.84 (.24)
Bortles - 2.78 (.18)
Mariota - 2.62 (.02)
Carr - 2.61 (.01)
And the least pressured QB's?
Roethlisberger - 2.58 (-0.02)
Brees - 2.57 (-0.03)
Flacco - 2.71 (.11)
Stafford - 2.7 (.1)
Brady - 2.61 (0.1)
Luck - 2.61 (0.1)
All the least pressured QB's are getting rid of the ball between 2.58 and 2.71 seconds after the snap. Eli is one of the outliers in that range - along with guys like Rosen, Mariota and Carr.
It's unfair to say the pass protection is middle of the pack. It's clear it's among the worst 5-6 worst OL in the league at providing protection to the QB. Maybe not as bad as AZ, TN, or Oak, but it's up there.
Remember Anish? He used to talk about how Eli's numbers were always off because Gilbride's system was more complex and the emphasis was not so much on the short, controlled passing game. He wondered how Eli's stats would look in a more QB rating passer-friendly system.
Well, Eli's numbers look a lot better in some ways. High completion %. Low INT's.
Unfortunately, low TD numbers and very low YPA. That's the trade off.
How much of the quick dump-off is due to a shell-shocked Eli, and how much of it is due to coaching/system expectations?
Even Baldy admits he doesn't know.
One of the most thoughtful posts in a LONG time.
You're right Eli is NOT a WCO QB, he's a play-action, stand-and-deliver QB. You can see the after-effects of this quick release, high percentage training ...
In the WCO, he is trained to look at the "sure" short throw first, then long. The pounding he gets for not being mobile reinforces that option.
In film study, he looks incompetent.
The addition of Brown is a big plus; he stops the opponent's rush with ease and switches to secondary blocks smoothly.
Hernandez is going to be very good because of his natural strength, he just needs to get much lower to multiply his effect.
2. He wasn't actually under pressure, but you can't blame him for BELIEVING he was under pressure.
3. His receiver ran the wrong route.
4. You don't know what the play design was. (i.e. Maybe he was supposed to ignore a wide open OBJ down the field. )
5. Every QB misses wide open receives a few times a game.
6. Every QB makes a few bad throws a game.
7. No QB could succeed behind this OL.
8. We won anyway, what are you upset about (not much use for this one lately).
9. You just hate Eli for some reason.
The Giants didnt randomly change the offense on s 2-time SB winning QB.
They changed it because the Giants started 0-6 and were ranked 28th in offense and it led to John Mara's famous "the offense is broken" comments and firing of Kevin Gilbride and changing of every other offensive player. and coach. Eli had just 18 TD to a league leading 27 INTs and missed playoffs for second straight year.
So lets not act like Giants threw a dart at a board that said WCO and said "hey lets change it up".
There is a reason the WCO was put in place.
“This isn’t just an overnight thing. People are acting like this just happened. This has been a buildup that needed to be addressed for a while.”
So, tell me all the all pro offensive linemen Reese drafted?
That's right, you can't. Any decent ones came through free agency, and there were plenty of duds. And yes, Eli has gotten worst, but you don't want to fact the facts that we have had crap at OL for a long time, despite throwing picks and FA money at the position.
Fact: The Giants used a second-round pick on left tackle Will Beatty in 2009. They didn’t use another high draft pick on the offensive line until taking Justin Pugh in the first round of the 2013 NFL Draft.
Fact: In 2009, the David Diehl-Rich-Seubert-Shaun O’Hara-Chris Snee-Kareem McKenzie offensive line was intact.
Fact: O’Hara played only six games in 2010 and then retired due to injury. Seubert, who fought though multiple injuries, also retired after 2010. McKenzie retired after the 2011 season. Diehl hung on through 2013, but his last couple of seasons were regrettable. Snee played only three games in 2013 due to injuries, then retired after an aborted 2014 comeback attempt.
Fact: A full three-year gap existed before the Giants attempted to add a significant piece to the line.
A GM who has a franchise QB, and either does nothing or is incompetent in protecting the franchise QB needs to be fired. If you're upset, be upset at Mara, who was too stubborn to face all the facts, and let Reese waste the end career of the best QB the Giants ever had.
When the foundation (the OL) for Kevin's system decayed, so did the offense. Gilbride told people what the problem was, but that didn't look good for the GM. Ever since Kevin was fired, and Eli forced to change to a new system (even to the point where he had to change his mechanics), he hasn't been the same QB.
I'll quote Rich Cannon's remarks to the NY Post:
“That’s why when you look at Peyton Manning’s success, you look at Tom Brady’s success, Aaron Rodgers’ success, Drew Brees’ success, they all are in one system, essentially,” Gannon told the New York Post. “Not a lot of new learning. That’s important when you look at that position. So there’s risk involved when you take a guy like Eli, who’s so established in his career and has had great success, now all of a sudden you make a dramatic change.”
Again, this did not need to happen, if we had a competent GM at the helm who could draft offensive linemen.
If that were the case they should cut the guy tomorrow, the Giants supposedly shipped out guys for a lot less than that.
I doubt he'd be that selfish or stupid. That's the kind of thing that sticks out like a sore thumb, even if he did want to get back at OBJ somehow.
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Just maybe, he's sticking it to Odell for his comments.
How dumb can u be
If the FO was serious about going forward the with Eli, they should have made Gilbride the head coach
Hey, nice to know Kevin Gilbride posts on BBI. How ya doin Kevin?
The nitpicking is out of control
https://www.giants.com/video/all-touchdowns-from-giants-vs-49ers
Very nice. This gets ignored because, idk why actually
The OL has been horrific in run blocking but merely below average in pass blocking. Top 10 Most Pressured QB's - ( New Window )
You want to look up who has been sacked the most?
[quote] but yet some are going play by play, in slow motion, looking for plays where Eli is not throwing to the right player? Plus they are doing this without knowing the progressions? You do realize you could do this for any QB in the NFL right? Its a game played by people, not Madden, and these guys have about 2-3 seconds to make a decision. Sure, if we are sitting on our couch watch a frame by frame slow-mo I bet there are other people open. However what about the fact that most times Eli completed the pass he was throwing.
+1
And agree that every QB misses throws. God forbid Eli miss any though. Then the whole world gets out their pitchforks and torches. He also had 3tds and no ints.
Is anybody saying that?
Counterpoint, the bizarre attempt to find new ways to criticize him each week is what has gotten out of control.
Can't even say he had a good game on Monday night. That's what's comical.
That example from Baldy perfectly illustrates this... And it ISNT a "once in a while" thing for Eli. He is flat out "shell-shocked" beyond repair.
Well, I hope you enjoy it again next year when he's starting again.
Take MNF, Eli had his best pocket in years for most of the game. Keep in mind the 49ers had EIGHT sacks the week before. Eli underthrew Odell, Barkley, and Engram on go/wheel easy LONG td's. He panicked and checked down 3 times, including the Baldy video. There is simply no other qb in the NFL with a player like Beckham, that checks down there BEFORE looking 13's way. Eli is a clock panic'er in the pocket. Of course, he is the exact opposite of the clock pre play, he loves to pressure the OL into false starts by winding it to 1. Because he must scream and point at that miracle MIKE LB'er LOL. It's seriously made our O great all these years.
There are large handful that cry worse than cowboys fans, and that’s what I find truly comical.
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that are delusional. That's pretty comical to me.
There are large handful that cry worse than cowboys fans, and that’s what I find truly comical.
I wouldn't expect you to see it there pal. Everyone in the world sees it except a small handful of Eli's most faithful. He deserves to be criticized for his play.
Once Barkley turns up field, if he looks for the ball like most normal WRs do... it’s an easy catch, it’s an easy track of the ball. But since he never looks for it... it looks like it’s elis fault even though it just missed his foot.
Anyone see Rodgers touchdown pass to Jones yesterday. Jones has to turn around and back pedal for a few steps before making the catch? That’s call tracking the ball and making the catch... something Barkley did not do whatsoever.
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that are delusional. That's pretty comical to me.
There are large handful that cry worse than cowboys fans, and that’s what I find truly comical.
I wouldn't expect you to see it there pal. Everyone in the world sees it except a small handful of Eli's most faithful. He deserves to be criticized for his play.
Pleas on the post above yours, the poster is bitching about a TD pass that went through engrams hands as a mean to shit on him. Like I said... it’s comical at this point.
Sy disagrees with you.
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The throw to Barkley was absolutely not an underthrow or even a bad throw. As a matter of fact.... it had no chance of being completed due to the fact BARKLEY NEVER LOOKED FOR THE BALL!
Sy disagrees with you.
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He did have 2 poor under throws on plays where Beckham and Barkley beat their man deep, respectively.
And I disagree with him on it. I think it could have easily been caught if Barkley looks for the ball earlier.
Lol. Why because I disagree with a few plays? Get the fuck out of here with that shit.
Seems to me that the ones that discuss such things that really aren't likely to happen but they WANT to have happen are the ones that lack self awareness that they are speaking emotionally rather than logically.
Britt, breakin news....you are not.
You're Mr. Objective, right? Everybody thinks they are.
Britt, breakin news....you are not.
Sometimes I wonder what the fuck you’re talking about. Then I realize even you don’t know. It’s always an interior motive with you. But you aren’t smart enough to even know what one is.
OMG i defended Eli for his career so I can’t defend a play here and there anymore.
And I love how you bust Britts balls as if you’re smarter than him... even though he was more accurate than anyone else in BBI on what was gonna happen to Eli this year.
He did throw a back shoulder to Barkley on fourth down earlier in the year. It’s not outlandish or delusional to think Eli threw to where he was expecting Barkley to be. No doubt Eli and Barkley discussed it. I don’t see how that play proves anything other than they simply missed the connection.
The defense had two men on Barkley. The ideal spot was to lead him because he had both men beat and the single-high safety was late getting over. Not sure if he would have scored, and who can say whether it was a bad throw, given that we don't know what the play was supposed to be. On top of that, the drive worked out even better for the Giants since they scored the TD anyway and ran more clock off which was crucial.
And Barkley turned to look for the ball twice as he ran the route but didn't get his head around far enough to pick up the ball until too late to adjust. I'm pretty sure where the ball was placed would have made for a very difficult catch given the double-coverage.
But an ideal spot for that ball given how it unfolded would have been leading Barkley on the sideline.