I’m watching some of his post game locker room
speeches from 2016 (I linked the win against the Rams in London). He strikes me as someone who commands the room & the players love. If you read some of the comments on BBI in 2016 a lot of people felt he would be the coach here long-term. Navigated the team to an 11-5 season, highest regular season win total since 2008. Every button he pushed in 2016 worked.
Looking at this year, we are 2-7 & I see no notable improvements with regards to the coaching/scheming around offensive deficiencies. Are they still playing hard for Shurmur? Yes. But 2-7 is 2-7.
I’m not arguing the firing, McAdoo needed to go. I’m curious if there is a moment you can identify in which he lost the team?
-Calling out Eli?
-His handling of some of the defensive players?
-Lack it accountability?
The 2016 team played hard for McAdoo. They eliminated the Redskins on the road in what was a playoff game for them & exhibition for the Giants. Where do you think it all fell apart?
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with that kind of fucked up take, replete with the term "reality", can anyone take this asswipe seriously anymore, if they ever did?
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We had a crazy amount of turnovers and lucky breaks that year. Not to mention how many times Odell single handedly won games in the fourth quarter. We were a very flawed team with a lot of lucky breaks that season. I always go back to the Ravens game that year. The Odell show.
I was at that game. The O was sucking hard all game long and then Odell got injured and went to the lockers for a bit. During that period the O started to pick up. A bunch of us were perplexed and thought maybe Odell was making Eli focus on him too much. Annnnnd then he comes back and wins the game with a crazy play. Very strange game.
How exactly did OBJ "make" Eli focus on him too much? Did he put him in a headlock on the sidelines?
First of all, I didn't say that he did in fact "MAKE" Eli focus on him. It was a topic that everyone was discussing in our section. I wasn't taking a dig at Odell.
On the other hand, last year we had a crazy amount of injuries and our QB started to, in my judgment, reach his tipping point...
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We had a crazy amount of turnovers and lucky breaks that year. Not to mention how many times Odell single handedly won games in the fourth quarter. We were a very flawed team with a lot of lucky breaks that season. I always go back to the Ravens game that year. The Odell show.
I was at that game. The O was sucking hard all game long and then Odell got injured and went to the lockers for a bit. During that period the O started to pick up. A bunch of us were perplexed and thought maybe Odell was making Eli focus on him too much. Annnnnd then he comes back and wins the game with a crazy play. Very strange game.
How exactly did OBJ "make" Eli focus on him too much? Did he put him in a headlock on the sidelines?
First of all, I didn't say that he did in fact "MAKE" Eli focus on him. It was a topic that everyone was discussing in our section. I wasn't taking a dig at Odell.
You didn't say that?! It's a direct quote from your post!
There's no excuse for the worst play calling I've ever seen in my life, none. Don't care if you have a high school roster.
Recognize your opponents strategy and adapt. If the players fail they fail, but if they lose before the ball is even snapped that's on you coach.
What I don't think anyone has mentioned above, but it was certainly loudly and widely bemoaned on the board all year after the first few games, Odell going down, than SS, Brandon Marshall was ready to pack it in and it showed from the very first Ex game.
The receivers the team was trotting out for most of the season were barely Alabama quality, and probably lesser. If the team quit on MacAdoo, which it seems like it did, part of that I think was that the reality of mediocrity hit them in the face. Jackrabbit went from all-Pro level to pretty bad, JPP was near invisible, our LBs sucked, as usual, and the play of the SS and FS was atrocious.
MacAdoo handled none of it well and couldn't figure out a Plan B.
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We had a crazy amount of turnovers and lucky breaks that year. Not to mention how many times Odell single handedly won games in the fourth quarter. We were a very flawed team with a lot of lucky breaks that season. I always go back to the Ravens game that year. The Odell show.
I was at that game. The O was sucking hard all game long and then Odell got injured and went to the lockers for a bit. During that period the O started to pick up. A bunch of us were perplexed and thought maybe Odell was making Eli focus on him too much. Annnnnd then he comes back and wins the game with a crazy play. Very strange game.
How exactly did OBJ "make" Eli focus on him too much? Did he put him in a headlock on the sidelines?
First of all, I didn't say that he did in fact "MAKE" Eli focus on him. It was a topic that everyone was discussing in our section. I wasn't taking a dig at Odell.
You didn't say that?! It's a direct quote from your post!
"A bunch of us were perplexed and thought maybe Odell was making Eli focus on him too much"
I clearly said MAYBE. Not IN FACT.
Sometimes receivers have been known to chirp in QB's ears and get in their head. So yes, the entire crowd around me, myself included, thought MAYBE he was in Eli's head.
This is a very important point.
I can almost hear Ole John Mara saying in the draft room (behind McAdoo's back):
"Jerry, I don't want to do this trade for Mahomes. Eli needs to go out on a white horse and on his terms. We don't need a controversy with a young, athletic gunslinger. So let's stand pat and see if we can grab this TE that you love..."
As if he would be killing it on this shit team.
It isn't just alluded to, some posters repeatedly use it as one of the main reasons that Gettleman and Shurmur were hired and why the team is losing.
What was weird is he didn’t seem arrogant and out of touch during year 1. I seem to recall the players liked him.
He strangely came into year 2 thinking he could act like Belichik.
As if he would be killing it on this shit team.
I don't know if we'd be killing it, but I am certain of this - it would be abundantly clear that Mahomes is a massive talent and that drafting a replacement for Eli would be the least of our concerns...
If it was not Mara, what is the plausible alternate interpretation of the path to reversal of the decision?
But, because Eli is on the roster doesn't mean that Mara told the GM and coach he had to be here.
Believing that Mara mandated that eli stays means that the Barkley pick was also a mandate, since a QB was certainly not getting to the podium to challenge eli. It doesn't add up.
People can't fathom why we passed on the multitude of QB talents in the draft as if there will never be another QB available to pick and the conspiracy theories flowed straight from that decision.
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The other narrative that won't die is that Mara mandated that Eli stay.
ok, I'll bite on this. The way it played out, with BM laying out the plan to Eli (should never have been Geno), then Eli saying he'd rather not start at all if the plan was to bring in the backup in H2...and the howls of protest coming from fan base, very much including BBI, as well as some vets and media commentators...it all got reversed...leading ultimately to the firing of the GM and HC.
If it was not Mara, what is the plausible alternate interpretation of the path to reversal of the decision?
You won't get a sensible answer because there isn't one.
Additionally, does anyone think it was a coincidence that Mara brought in Accorsi, the man who drafted Eli, to lead the HC search?
Who, in a what seemed like less than an hour, recommended and hired his old draft room pal, Dave Gettleman, who is/was a huge Eli fan.
It's very simple, straight-forward math, really...
Myself. I don't know. It has been stated, not suggested by Boomer Eaison more than once, that this is the case. In a post earlier today, it was stated Boomer is connected to Tisch.
Even if that is not true, wouldn't Boomer have info that many others do not.
Again, I m not making the case it s true, But I m not certain it s not either.
What s yourt ake. I know you dismiss those that state the narrative as fact, I do too.
But do you also dismiss the idea it could be true. If so, based on what.
Really? They invested 200 million in the defense his first year.
As to your response above, likely so, and we'll likely never know the skinny as to any difference of opinion re. SB and Darnold (or whoever), if there was one.
Believing that Mara mandated that eli stays means that the Barkley pick was also a mandate, since a QB was certainly not getting to the podium to challenge eli. It doesn't add up.
Surely, you jest. How much did we hear most of last year and even the preceding year, that Eli needed a running game to relieve the pressure from having to throw so much? Answer - a ton. So when Mara had all of his revamped pieces in place - his Eli Dream Team - it was a very easy segue to take the RB.
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This is an oft-repeated but inaccurate statement. For example, McAdoo called out the OL repeatedly. He didn't mention anyone by name, but would frequently talk about how the entire unit needed to play better. The only reason why it seemed like he was taking Eli to task more often than other players is because there's only one QB, so that criticism was easy to assign to Eli directly. But the idea that he coddled the rest of the team while holding Eli's feet to the fire is really not true.
One quote was "The OL played fine, but the quarterback has to make more plays out there".
McAdoo basically went out of his way not to throw shade on Flowers and even said he played well one game but that the rest of the offense needed to elevate their game.
It is one of the points Carl Banks discussed when the coaching change was made. He perhaps didn't coddle the rest of the team, but he certainly put more of the burden on Eli during a lot of the PC's.
Perhaps it was because he thought Eli could handle it or he did't want the mercurial Flowers to go into a shell, but this isn't a false narrative.
And there are also transcripts where McAdoo did criticize the OL. I don't think it's wrong to state that McAdoo was extremely unforgiving toward Eli, but my point was just that Eli wasn't the only player McAdoo ever criticized.
Could not recover from that move.
How anyone thinks Mara was going to cut Eli after last year's debacle and public outrage along with the cap hit is mystifying to me.
However,what did him in was losing the locker room imo.
As Jon said, he was over his head and above what should have been his pay grade. It was all over for him after McCarthy took him apart in the second half of the playoff game.
Coaches following HOF’rs generally don’t fare well in year 2. The work habits slack, the players loaf and the ability to cut and fill is no longer there.
He was saddled with the same stooge GM that had screwed it up for the last guy. If TC couldn’t get .500 out of this slow crew of misfits, McAdoo was toast.
And yes, the fans and the front office grossly overestimated the talent level on this team so expectations were way out of whack. ODB papered over a lot of flaws- from the lack of team speed to the clown show in the front office.
He had lost the team.
However, JR's horrible drafts put this team where we have been lately.
The botched execution of the plan to play the QB backups was the icing on the cake
But the reality is, Coughlin Gilbride, McAdoo, Spags Shurmur Reese and Gettlemen were and are all hamstrung by too much cap space invested in an overrated QB who rode the tide of great defensive playoff performances in2007 and 2011
Has to be the dumbest comment I’ve heard on BBI. You have got to be kidding me.
Something was happening with the DBs ...
But, because Eli is on the roster doesn't mean that Mara told the GM and coach he had to be here.
Believing that Mara mandated that eli stays means that the Barkley pick was also a mandate, since a QB was certainly not getting to the podium to challenge eli. It doesn't add up.
People can't fathom why we passed on the multitude of QB talents in the draft as if there will never be another QB available to pick and the conspiracy theories flowed straight from that decision.
FMiC:
In a sea of insanity on this site, I'm relieved to read your posts. Right on target. Thanks.
In the case of McAdoo, I think it was the NFC Wildcard game loss (in January 2017) to the Green Bay Packers.
The Giants harassed (and sacked) Rogers for 29 minutes, then he exposed the Giants on a Hail-Mary pass to end the 1st half. and the game was over.
The defense was spent and exhausted; the offense could not trade blow-for-blow with the Pack. The running game. especially could not keep Rogers on the bench, watching.
Same thing happened to Atlanta in Super Bowl 51. The Pats played "rope-a-dope" with ATL for most of the game, then put them away, late.
It's basically like saying getting Blackjack exposes the dealer.
Same thing happened to Atlanta in Super Bowl 51. The Pats played "rope-a-dope" with ATL for most of the game, then put them away, late.
Da fuq does this mean? Are you implying the Pats lets the Falcons go up 28-3 in order to tire them out and lull them into a sense of over confidence?
I don’t feel the same with this team but the early results of this season were more alarming in many ways. Still, there’s a lot of football to be played.
An OC. A bigger each as HC. HIS GM was inept for years. He might never be even a coordinator again. That’s how bad he was. Again certainly not all his fault as the rot was way too deep. But Mara had a blind spot a mile wide on the guy.