I began thinking about it after this tweet, not sure what precipitated it, but I think I would.
Noah is clearly a top of the rotation starter with tremendous stuff and he's the kind of player you normally build around, not trade away, so I wouldn't shop him per se.
But I believe in the philosophy no one is untouchable. No one. So, while I would trade him I'd need to be blown away.
That said, I kind of feel like Syndergaard has "plateaued" and maybe that's just my bias because after his rookie year I had such high hopes, and I feel like he's still a TOR pitcher and maybe top 20 or whatever # you want to apply to him starter in baseball, I don't think he's improved the way I thought he would.
This probably goes nowhere, but if there is a team who'd match up with what it would take to deal Syndergaard, the Padres are one of those teams.
Is Mackenzie Gore and Mejia for Syndergaard (and throw in Jay Bruce) interesting and fair?
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Yanks did it with Chapman and Miller. Add some of your home grown taket like your SS and outfielders and you can compete. You still have DeGrom.
You also need to sign Realmuto this year.
Yanks did it with Chapman and Miller. Add some of your home grown taket like your SS and outfielders and you can compete. You still have DeGrom.
You also need to sign Realmuto this year.
Realmuto is a Marlin, he's not a free agent, you can't just sign him, and the Marlins said they don't want to trade in the division.
He's not going to be a Met and I don't think he should be either given his projected cost and given the lack of league wide depth at catcher.
Yanks did it with Chapman and Miller. Add some of your home grown taket like your SS and outfielders and you can compete. You still have DeGrom.
You also need to sign Realmuto this year.
I disagree... They have one of the top rotations in the game and could quickly be a playoff team again if they bring in a bat and fix the bullpen.
The way I see it for the Mets (and I'm not a Mets fan, just for transparency), is that the Braves are set up to be good for a long, long time. The Mets should really do what they can to load the war chest rather than go on tilt now to be a WC contender. Selling a guy like Syndergaard and replacing him with a serviceable FA starter who will only require a 1-2 year commitment could be a nice way to load up without being a complete joke for the next couple of years.
I think the modern day baseball fanbase is sophisticated enough that they'll actually buy in to a phase of farm-building and still show up in similar numbers.
I read about how great the Nationals were going to be and for how long and now it's all falling apart in Washington.
I'd build the Mets with the Mets in mind.
Right now they have two TOR starters with JDG and Syndergaard, Wheeler was great last year after a slow start, and could very well be a 3rd if he shows last year wasn't a fluke.
All are under 31 years old and JDG and Syndergaard cost controlled for 2 and 3 more years respectively. Wheeler a FA after the season.
The Mets also have some nice lineup pieces with Conforto, Nimmo, Rosario, and McNeil, not to mention Alonso on the cusp and Gimenez within striking distance of the majors.
The Mets are not as far away as it may seem.
They need a bullpen, another starter, and solid D and can compete sooner rather than later.
That said, trading Syndergaard could be more beneficial in the long-run than keeping him so if I'm blown away I'd consider it.
But it would have absolutely ZERO to do with the Braves.
that sounds a bit more like a deGrom package than Thor. I doubt SD is willing to move Tatis.
But there's so much quality in that SD top 30 that even something like Gore + Baez + Esteury Ruiz + Jeisson Rosario would be something to consider.
Or keep Syndergaard and spend some money while this alleged window is open.
I read about how great the Nationals were going to be and for how long and now it's all falling apart in Washington.
I'd build the Mets with the Mets in mind.
Right now they have two TOR starters with JDG and Syndergaard, Wheeler was great last year after a slow start, and could very well be a 3rd if he shows last year wasn't a fluke.
All are under 31 years old and JDG and Syndergaard cost controlled for 2 and 3 more years respectively. Wheeler a FA after the season.
The Mets also have some nice lineup pieces with Conforto, Nimmo, Rosario, and McNeil, not to mention Alonso on the cusp and Gimenez within striking distance of the majors.
The Mets are not as far away as it may seem.
They need a bullpen, another starter, and solid D and can compete sooner rather than later.
That said, trading Syndergaard could be more beneficial in the long-run than keeping him so if I'm blown away I'd consider it.
But it would have absolutely ZERO to do with the Braves.
sure, shouldn't be all about the Braves. That's fair. I probably overstated that.
But even casting the Braves aside as you insist, the confluence of things - knowing (believing) what we know/believe about ownership's willingness to take the payroll much higher than it is currently, the 2 years of additional commitments to Bruce/Cespedes, and the-coinciding 2-3 years of control on deGrom and Syndergaard....
I think signing deGrom to 5-6 year deal now and cashing in on Syndergaard for some really high-end prospects could provide the best set of outcomes for the next 5 years.
The Mets need to fix the rest of the team around them. If that's too heard to do quickly then they should trade both of them and rebuild, but there's no sense trading 1 and not the other unless there's a ridiculous opportunity to get a similar top talent (like Bryant).
If Noah and Degrom were free agents, whats your best guess on the contract they get?
If Noah and Degrom were free agents, whats your best guess on the contract they get?
4 years ago Scherzer got 7 years 210m at age 30. Hard to not envision both being able to make a claim on more.
Just depends on the makeup of your team.
The Mets, as you and I agree (Eric), can compete much sooner and less painfully than some people realize.
But that approach, IMO, is not a long-term approach since by three years all of JDG, Syndergaard, and Wheeler would need to be re-signed, so we're nearing the end of the short-lived road for those three.
but there are other options and trading one of them to improve other areas and bring in new talent doesn't mean blowing it up to me depending on the return and how close to the majors those players are.
Maybe in my example Mackenzie Gore winds up better than Syndergaard and he's just 20 years old.
I've read him compared to Kershaw or Bumgarner, though he pitched well in 2018 he was not really dominant so maybe that shakes him loose in a Syndergaard trade (and even allows the Mets like I proposed to include Jay Bruce and get Mejia back as well).
I don't know the prospects like the rest of you, but I think there's a way to trade Syndergaard and not set the club back a ton depending who they get back.
because I respect your opinion and depth of knowledge - what does it take from SD to get you OK trading Syndergaard?
I think that's the opinion of most, "depends on the price" but SD is one of the teams that can probably put an attractive offer together.
If it goes just as bad, then yes you trade him after the season.
Right now doesnt appear to be the time. The organization appears to be transitioning in some type of direction.
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due respect to people having the right to their own opinion but the correct answer "depends on the price" and that's true of 99.9% of trades. Maybe you don't trade Jeter or Piazza but yeah right price everyone on your roster should be up for grabs.
because I respect your opinion and depth of knowledge - what does it take from SD to get you OK trading Syndergaard?
Thanks for the compliment. Given his years of control and cost Tatis Jr. has to be in the deal or it's a non-starter. I dig their system but quantity only gets you so far. He has to be involved. After that I have to believe they would want Mejia or Hedges. Hedges can't hit so I'd much prefer Mejia, by a long shot. Gore is a sexy arm, he'd easily be the Mets #1 P prospect. I know Shecky really like Naylor, if he can play passable OF I'm sure he'd be on their ask list. .830 OPS last year in AA, .383 OBP, Paddack was a monster this year 90 innings 120 k's.... 8 walks and the 2 Cuban P are both top 100 prospects in the game Morejon and Baez that doesn't even include lottery ticket Anderson Espinoza. If the Padres want to make you a Godfather offer you listen.
I don't consider myself an expert on prospects by any means, all I will say is that anecdotally the gold standard of recent top pitcher trades has been the Chris Sale trade and upon further scrutiny it didn't seem to work out all that great.
Yoan Moncada has basically been the Amed Rosario of 2B.
Kopech was exciting until he got hurt, as most pitchers seem to do.
they got an OF prospect that's still in AA.
and a RP who is still in A and didn't pitch in 2018 at all.
So if I'm trading a prime cy young candidate signed reasonably there are a very select few number of elite assets I'd be willing to do it for.
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of course this is hind sight, at the time it was thought to be at worst fair, at best even slightly in their favor.
But Moncada has not developed, and Kopech - while promising- as mentioned is out for a long time with TJS and has an uncertain future.
Difference between Moncada and Rosario is Roasrio didn't cost Sale.
I think at the time it happened though the Santana trade looked fair too, but we know how that turned out for the Twins.
Of course not but when you trade Sale, with cost controlled years, your return better be stars.
So even if Moncada pans out, and produces, without anything from Kopech the white sox still lose that trade unless Moncada becomes a super star and even then it's debatable.
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not ready to give up on Moncada. 2.0 fWAR age 23 season, 17 homers, 12 steals. Freak athlete. I think we'd all sign for that from Rosario this upcoming season with the knowledge development isn't linear.
Of course not but when you trade Sale, with cost controlled years, your return better be stars.
So even if Moncada pans out, and produces, without anything from Kopech the white sox still lose that trade unless Moncada becomes a super star and even then it's debatable.
Oh yeah. I wasn't disputing you PJ. I just meant as a side note I think Moncada is still going to be a good player. Superstar? We shall see but I see him mentioned like a disaster (not on here) and he's slowly developing. I don't even think "star" is out of the question honestly. If he put up a 3-4 fWAR season this year I wouldn't have my mind blown. Superstar? Probably not.
I can see a scenario where he is traded just because BVW may want to make a splash and start to build "his team" and Syndergaard is a TOR pitcher, who has 3 years of team control, in a limited FA market.
but if that happens the return would (should) be overwhelming.
Sort of lines up similar to Sale in terms of age, control etc. only the Mets have a better team than the White Sox did around Sale so the Mets have a harder sale (no pun intended) to their fan base.
NOw, if they have no interest in the big time bats and they are going to go dumpster diving for bats, then they should sell off everyone at some pt this season.
Further, If i was really going to blow the Mets up I would trade deGrom who will be 32 when he is a free agent and who's value is the highest it will ever be right now, not the 25 year old you can build around for another decade or so coming off a nagging injury issue year or two.
A healthy Syndergaard in 2016 was arguably the best pitcher in baseball not named Kershaw, so even if he is never better than that, that's still fucking very good.
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Why can't we have owners like this?
Barring injury he will retain much of his value. Unlike last season I don't see the Marlins selling off pieces just to do so. Soroka, Riley and an unknown 3rd piece is already a big time offer. I'm surprised they passed but who knows what they are looking for
Dont trade Thor, SIGN him before its too late. Sign him NOW.
Padres would have to give me Tatia, then my choice of another prospect in their top 4. Then Id want my choice of their second and third tier guys. Id ask for like 8 guys and tell them to go fuck themselves when they laugh.
Let them ask for Wheeler and we can talk.
Id focus on their third tier. Thats the team you trade a Flores or TDa to and pick up two third tier guys. And in a couple of years laugh...
NOw, if they have no interest in the big time bats and they are going to go dumpster diving for bats, then they should sell off everyone at some pt this season.
No. I much prefer a homegrown approach rather than spending huge on big contracts. I don't think either Harper or Machado would be good fits at all. They are already probably not going to do what it takes financially to lock up deGrom, Wheeler, AND Syndergaard, so inking one of those guys to a mega-deal would preclude retaining some of the homegrown talent down the line.
These are the Wilpons we are talking about, and a mega deal is going to hamstring this team's ability to make other moves. I believe Alonso is going to be a star, I really do. I think he's going to be our Goldshmidt. That's your big bat addition. I do think the Mets need to have him as their opening day starter at 1B. He's more than earned the promotion.
Realistic additions I would be ok with would be Pollock, Ramos or Grandal, or perhaps Donaldson. They have enough on the way to compete, and they need to keep this pitching together.
That's something they would figure out when the time came. He's at least 1/2 a year away. You'd have a much better idea of Rosario, McNeil and Gimenez at that point.
Dont trade Thor, SIGN him before its too late. Sign him NOW.
Padres would have to give me Tatia, then my choice of another prospect in their top 4. Then Id want my choice of their second and third tier guys. Id ask for like 8 guys and tell them to go fuck themselves when they laugh.
Let them ask for Wheeler and we can talk.
Id focus on their third tier. Thats the team you trade a Flores or TDa to and pick up two third tier guys. And in a couple of years laugh...
I'd approach Wheeler about an extension, see what numbers he thinks he's going to get and if it were crazy I'd absolutely broach that idea to SD. If he's not being extended 2019 value or not you have to consider all options.
Almost every team in baseball should be pursuing either or both of Harper and Machado.
Players like them only hit free agency a few times a decade, at most, so they should be treated differently IMO.
And with Machado you don't even need to give up a draft pick. He should be as big a no-brainer FA pursuit as I can remember.
But what I said is it's a no-brainer to pursue him.
It's not often you can get a gold glove infielder and elite middle of the order bat for "just money".
You don't get these opportunities often, so it should be pursued IMO.
Obviously there are other paths to contention.
Across town you have Steinbrenner and Cashman saying that Machado has a lot of explaining to do about his recent comments on not being a "hustle" type of ballplayer, and rightly so, and the Mets should just blindly throw money at the guy?
I know everyone wants a huge splash but I really believe the Mets can have a great offseason without signing either.
1. The Mets have to sign Machado or "bust"
2. They should blindly throw money at anyone
so, now that those two straw men are gone we can have a discussion.
Mets notes:
--Keep an eye on the trade market for catchers. Get the sense that's a possibility. Not Realmuto though. He's too costly.
--Obviously then, they're in on catchers
--d'Arnaud is non tender candidate
--Upgrading CF is on to-do list
--Van Wagenen open to creative ideas
Well he's a Yankees fan, so I automatically discounted his opinion.
Sorry if I was short. I think the Mets have a lot of options this off-season, and I'm eager to see how it unfolds.
Yeah they haven't shit on Nimmo in CF but they have made clear they don't view him as one (nor should they). I'm tired of seeing people suggest Pillar. No thank you.
- I'd make a call on Buxton, I know he's been putrid
Also, are there any under the radar trade targets/partners that BVW might be able to get creative with?
C-JT Realmuto
3B/SS-Fernando Tatis Jr.
LHP-Matt Strahm
Marlins Get:
LHP-Mackenzie Gore
SS-Ronny Mauricio
C-Francisco Mejia
Padres get:
RHP-Noah Syndergaard
SS-Andres Gimenez
Also, are there any under the radar trade targets/partners that BVW might be able to get creative with?
Horrendous offensive player, good defensive player but already 32. People can point to Sandy Leon all they want but the Sox led baseball in runs scored. He's a good backup. A bad starter. I really think Cervelli is the guy to go after.
The guy whos getting extended this offseason is deGrom. Its 100% happening and with two years of control + his age it makes perfect sense for both sides.
The guy whos getting extended this offseason is deGrom. Its 100% happening and with two years of control + his age it makes perfect sense for both sides.
It only makes sense for the Mets if it's at a discount. Otherwise, the motivation 2 years early is just to keep him from testing free agency and for a guy whose already had 1 TJS and nerve replacement surgery is it worth the risk?
With the Mets finishing the second half on a strong note and with so many young players on the verge of forming a nice young core, we have a lot to look forward to.
Just need to supplement the roster with a few solid pieces.
Im calling a Rosario breakout next year. I also think Matz stabilizes more. He might only be a 4th starter going forward but I have this feeling hes going to be more consistent in 2019. Expecting big seasons from Conforto, Nimmo, and McNeil. Excited to add Alonso and Gimenez eventually.
Did anyone see how he did overall?
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Is that he likely feels hes finally figured it out and knows with a solid year in 2019, hes due for a massive pay day. I dont see him extending on a team friendly deal. So what do the Mets do? Give him 100 million plus deal now? I just dont think either side comes to a realistic solution. And that doesnt necessarily mean we lose him. I think theres a good chance we can re-sign him in a year(granted hell be expensive) but Wheeler has been vocal about wanting to remain a Met before. Hell just get market value and well have to pay it.
The guy whos getting extended this offseason is deGrom. Its 100% happening and with two years of control + his age it makes perfect sense for both sides.
It only makes sense for the Mets if it's at a discount. Otherwise, the motivation 2 years early is just to keep him from testing free agency and for a guy whose already had 1 TJS and nerve replacement surgery is it worth the risk?
The deGrom deal will be team friendly in a sense. The best pitcher in baseball in his prime would get a preposterous mega deal if he were a free agent today. The length and amount will be less due to the years of control and his age being factored. Fans will still think its massive but it will team friendly regardless in relation to the market regardless.
Did anyone see how he did overall?
He did really well.
Im interested to see if Lindsays new swing he brought to the fall league translates next year. Seems to have added more pop in a SSS.
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Asked if the Mets have the financial wherewithal to add a $300M player, Wilpon: Brodie knows what the parameters of what the payroll is and what were planning to do and hes totally comfortable with that. Theres room to do things. Hes leaving no stone unturned.
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Also thought the Wilpons dont give a number
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Really, the Red Sox? The team that had about a $250 million payroll, exceeding the luxury tax threshold? The Coupons aren't ever going to spend like the Red Sox. So in other words, we have to acknowledge that huge contracts are going to mean bargain basement shopping later when the inevitable roster holes pop up.
We also did the free agent splash thing with Cespedes and Bruce. In Mets' history, MOST of the time the big-contract free agents we've had have turned into albatrosses.
I would like to see some deals get done for bullpen, especially Andrew Miller, and for Grandal or Ramos. I'd be good with a CF as well but we'll see.
The one guy I want back but will never happen is Murph.
Further, If i was really going to blow the Mets up I would trade deGrom who will be 32 when he is a free agent and who's value is the highest it will ever be right now, not the 25 year old you can build around for another decade or so coming off a nagging injury issue year or two.
A healthy Syndergaard in 2016 was arguably the best pitcher in baseball not named Kershaw, so even if he is never better than that, that's still fucking very good. Link - ( New Window )
I would never trade deGrom. That guy has the heart of a lion and is a champion. I want that guy to retire in a Mets' uni. Yes, that means the Mets will eventually be holding him when his value drops off a cliff, and I don't care. I think you have to treat some players differently. He's to be a franchise icon.
But the Yankees have only won one WS in the last 18 years by loading up with hitters and bullpen at the expense of starting pitching. Guys like Thor win championships, so if your goal is to win a championship, you dont trade a guy like Thor who is only 26.
But trading Thor and then signing an Evoldi is the way you outsmart yourself and mire the team in mediocrity
Only way Mets make the playoffs this year is with the big Three at the top of the rotation
That entire hypothetical is actually helpful because it's basically "how do you create the best team possible, forgetting arbitrary resource restrictions". If the yankees had the Mets roster they'd be the heavy favorite for Machado, probably Kimbrel + Miller too, and likely in on multiple others as well. They might not get all of those guys but they would get most.
None of us expect the mets to spend like the Yankees overall bc we have had reality beaten into us, but there's no reason they shouldn't be able to go after the same players and just end up with less of them. Restricting their thinking to only signing cheaper flawed players is how we ended up with Cuddyer, Bay, Swarzak, etc.
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I'd love for this to be a legit debate, but seems like Law on an island right now. Worst case Alsono seems like a DH, worst case Dom seems like a bust.
So I can dismiss most of the stuff he says going forward. Thanks.
The key to me is Met ownership commitment. the Mets have a core that can contend but unless they add:
1. TWO, not one, TWO legit back of the bullpen pieces
2. Shore up the D where they can (1B, C, CF)
3. Starting pitching depth, not dumpster dives like Vargas, but a legit plus addition to the rotation
If the Mets are not prepared to do that IMO it means they are going to half-ass it again and one injury, or one significant under-performer will sink the season, there is a small margin for error.
And if it's the latter (half-assed approach to build around JDG, Thor, Wheeler, etc.) then I think you can trade Syndergaard (for a massive return) and your half-assed approach will have some direction.
The key to me is Met ownership commitment. the Mets have a core that can contend but unless they add:
1. TWO, not one, TWO legit back of the bullpen pieces
2. Shore up the D where they can (1B, C, CF)
3. Starting pitching depth, not dumpster dives like Vargas, but a legit plus addition to the rotation
If the Mets are not prepared to do that IMO it means they are going to half-ass it again and one injury, or one significant under-performer will sink the season, there is a small margin for error.
And if it's the latter (half-assed approach to build around JDG, Thor, Wheeler, etc.) then I think you can trade Syndergaard (for a massive return) and your half-assed approach will have some direction.
Padres have said they will not discuss Tatis in any trade for a pitcher so I think it's time we give up on that dream. I'm anto-trading Thor unless we were getting back Tatis or Jimenez (White Sox) as part of the deals.
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Syndergaard as I've said all along, but if you could get Tatis and Gore (for example) I don't see why you say no.
The key to me is Met ownership commitment. the Mets have a core that can contend but unless they add:
1. TWO, not one, TWO legit back of the bullpen pieces
2. Shore up the D where they can (1B, C, CF)
3. Starting pitching depth, not dumpster dives like Vargas, but a legit plus addition to the rotation
If the Mets are not prepared to do that IMO it means they are going to half-ass it again and one injury, or one significant under-performer will sink the season, there is a small margin for error.
And if it's the latter (half-assed approach to build around JDG, Thor, Wheeler, etc.) then I think you can trade Syndergaard (for a massive return) and your half-assed approach will have some direction.
Padres have said they will not discuss Tatis in any trade for a pitcher so I think it's time we give up on that dream. I'm anto-trading Thor unless we were getting back Tatis or Jimenez (White Sox) as part of the deals.
Everyone says that until they trade the player. but if not the Padres and Tatis/Gore) then as you say maybe CHI, heck maybe the Blue Jays want him back Vlad, LOL.
And to clarify I'm not shopping Thor. I don't want to trade him, but moving forward I'd like to see a plan and as Theo says, no one is untouchable. If some team reaches that exorbitant price then I'd trade him.
And man does he sound like a broken record with the same old "aggressive" bullshit. Also pretty frustrating to hear him say the focus is on trades and not free agency. How about him saying our focus in our acquiring talent without having to give it up and we will do that by investing in free agency?? Not to mention your new GM's experience/ expertise is in free agency and negotiating deals. Why not focus on that??
And man does he sound like a broken record with the same old "aggressive" bullshit. Also pretty frustrating to hear him say the focus is on trades and not free agency. How about him saying our focus in our acquiring talent without having to give it up and we will do that by investing in free agency?? Not to mention your new GM's experience/ expertise is in free agency and negotiating deals. Why not focus on that??
Every single year we hear how aggressive they plan to be. 100% not a knock on Shecky but even he said something like that last year, Martino did too. I think they internally spew this line. Martino is a mouthpiece at this point.
If the 2 leaders are within 5% of each other, or the leader has less than 30% there will be a run-off between the top 2. If a run-off results in a tie the tiebreaker will be vote total in the previous poll, we will continue to "go back" in the polls until there is a clear leader.
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*Chris Flexen is ineligible
*Drew Smith is ineligible
*Tyler Bashlor is ineligible
1) Andres Gimenez (SS) AA 19/37 votes- 51%
2) Peter Alonso (1B) AAA 24/36 votes- 67%
3) Jarred Kelenic (CF) Kingsport 31/36-86%
4) Ronny Mauricio (SS) Kingsport 12/33-36%
5) Justin Dunn (RHP) AA 10/37-27%, Run-off with Mark Vientos 17/30-57%
6) Mark Vientos (3b) Kingsport 16/31-52%
7) David Peterson (LHP) A+ 21/31- 68%
8) Franklyn Kilome (RHP) AA 20/33-61%
9) Thomas Szapucki (LHP) A 18/32-56%
10) Shervyen Newton (SS) Kingsport 12/30-40%, Run-off with Anthony Kay 17/33-52%
11) Anthony Kay (LHP) AA 18/26-69%
12) Simeon Woods-Richardson (RHP) Kingsport 12/30-40%
13) Luis Santana (2B) 15/26-58%
14) Will Toffey (3B) 10/29-34%, run-off with Cecchini 15/27-56%
15) Gavin Cecchini (2b) 14/26-46%
16) Francisco Alvarez (C) 9/26-35%
17) Dez Lindsay (OF) 7/18-39%
18) Tony Dibrell (RHP) 9/23-39%
19) Jordan Humphreys (RHP) 7/21-33%, Run-off with Nido 18/24-75%
20) Ross Adolph (OF) 6/25-24%, run-off with Nido 18/25-72%
21) Adam Hill (RHP) 4/26-15%, Run-off with Nido/Crismatt 11/26-58%
22) Junior Santos (RHP) 6/28-21%, Run-off with Nido 11/20-55%
23) Tomas Nido (C) 10/23-43%
24) Luis Guillorme (SS) 9/24-38%
25) Adrian Hernandez 6/26-23%, run-off with Wahl/Cortes 8/15-53%
26) Carlos Cortes (2b) 8/21-38%
27) Steven Villines (RHP) 4/16 25%, Run-off with Thompson/Wahl 9/23-39%
28) David Thompson (3b) 8/23-35%
29) Ali Sanchez (C) 9/17-53%
30) Bobby Wahl (RHP) 11/25-44%
31) Eric Hanhold (RHP) 7/21-33%, run-off 7/20-35%
32) Luis Carpio (IF) 4/18-22%, runoff with Uriarte 9/14-64%
Paxton hasn't shown an ability to stay healthy, and Sheffield was the #1 guy in NYY system, so it wasn't that lopsided of a deal.
NYY have a deep farm, they can "afford" it if Sheffield hits it big later on..
I'm a proponent that the Mets need a starter, but they need one of the free agent starters. IOW don't trade top prospects for a pitcher like Paxton.
and Paxton is a risk, he's 30 years old and pitched over 150 innings once in his career, same number of times Steven Matz has and he's the portrait of injury prone.
In Mets terms that costs Gimenez or Alonso and a couple other players for ~150 innings. Not worth it IMO.
It probably wont be a long and healthy career, but his peak looks like it will rival anyone.
Hopefully there are as many good players available as last year and BVW can close with a little more creativity - and obviously make good evaluations on whoever he spends his resources on. While Paxton didn't make sense for the Mets, Mallex Smith or Haniger in the OF wouldn't be too shabby.
Thor for Senzel and Iglesias and Thor for Urias, 2 "high end P prospects" and Hedges.. so a rebuild?
Iglesias had a higher FIP than FA relievers Familia, Kimbrel, Ottavino, Robertson, Britton, Soria, Miller but yeah, #2 piece of a Syndergaard deal. Seems like a winner! #Mets
Would be horrendous
trading Thor makes almost no sense unless you are getting back a potential MVP candidate.
Get creative and make trades for players like Paxton except at positions of need like CF, C, 3B. Fill in with free agents in the BP and whatever position can't be acquired via trade. Just add some good players, not tier 2/3 FA like Bruce/Swarzak/Vargas/Cabrera/Walker.
Gimenez
Kelenic
Adolph
Dunn
Peterson
On a down note... Zach Borenstein was one of the picks for organizational all-stars, in the OF... Kelenic, Adolph and a 28 year old in his 8th minor league season lol Yeah.. the OF depth in the organization is OOOGLY
Nooooooooooooo