NGT: Interesting take on Aaron Rodgers from Ross Tucker

In comment 14180243 NINEster said:

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In comment 14179460 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: 26 years of Favre then Rodgers & only 2 titles. It just seems like the Packers should have had more with those 2 guys. - Favre was backup QB for Falcons (1991) - Favre did not make playoffs (1992) - Favre lost to Dallas in divisional round (1993) - Favre lost to Dallas in divisional round (1994) - Favre lost to Dallas in championship game (1995) - Favre won SB against Patriots (1996) - Favre lost SB against Broncos (1997) - Favre knocked out by 49ers after they finally got an RB (1998) - Favre missed playoffs (1999) - Favre missed playoffs (2000) - Favre lost to Rams who won SB (2001) - Favre lost to Falcons in wildcard round (2002) - Favre lost to Eagles in divisional round (2003) - Favre lost to Vikings in wildcard round (2004) - Favre missed playoffs (2005) - Favre missed playoffs (2006) - Favre lost to Giants in championship game (2007) - Jets (2008) - Favre lost to Saints in championship game (2009) - Favre missed playoffs and retired (2010) Summary: Cowboys had Packers number in early to mid 90s. Once Cowboys faded, Packers were able to get into back to back SBs going 1-1. 49ers had a last hurrah with Steve Young and took down Packers in 1998. Packers miss playoffs a few times. Then better Eagles teams took them down (Andy Reid used to coach in Green Bay). The key question here is how good were the Packers really from 2002-2004? Favre's last pass completion as a Packer was to a Giant. Favre might have been robbed by officials vs. Saints in 2009. As for Rodgers, he just faced good enough offenses and really good defenses: 2010 - Wins Super Bowl 2011 - Giants defense 2012 - 49ers offense 2013 - 49ers defense ** 2014 - Seahawks defense 2015 - Cardinals defense 2016 - Falcons offense 2017 - Missed playoffs 2011 - was maybe Favre's best statistical year throwing 46 TDs to 6 INTs. Team was maybe rusty coming off the bye. Giants were able to compete earlier so this game wasn't going to be easy either way. 2012 - This is the famous Kaepernick going off game. Niners were carried by the defense through Harbaugh era but this playoff run was all on Kaepernick. 2013 - Frozen tundra game. Niners win a defensive slugfest in Lambeau. 2014 - Packers choked a massive one here. Don't see Rodgers being at fault here despite throwing two picks. Seahawk most resilient defensive effort in entire Pete Carroll era. 2015 - Cardinals defense was violent and they had offense too. Still came down to a hail mary, then a quick walk off possession in OT via Fitzgerald. 2016 - Falcons just had unstoppable offense and enough defense to stymie Rodgers. Just could not compete. 2017 - Missed playoffs due to injury. Rodgers lost to a lot of defenses from 2011-2016 that were the types that gave Brady problems (can get to you rushing 4). Patriots did not win one game against any of these teams from 2011-2012 (except Seahawks in SB that was very tight) and should have lost to Falcons in SB. Rodgers IMO did his part elevating. I see his career a lot like Steve Young's - supporting cast wasn't enough. In Rodgers case it was more defense and a bit RB....in Young's mostly RB and somewhat defense. Overall: Packers were rarely ever a top roster from 1992-2018. Just two really good QBs. Two QBs they lucked out on to boot (one a trade from Atlanta, the other lucky the 49ers didn't take at #1 and other teams for most of 1st round).

Yeah, I think the only times the Packers had close to a complete team were in the late 90s and early 2010s when they won SBs. The best team of the Rodgers era was 2011 when they went 15-1 and got knocked out by the Giants. In the Favre era they had good teams after 1999 but not the best team

to measure QBs by citing stats as essentially the single measuring stick when determining the true value of that QB.

Only other players and coaches really know. They know how often that QB changes plays to something that worked perfectly (as just one example). How a QB does all of the other things on the field as a leader that cannot be measured.

If I can give one other example on the other site of the ball it would be Mike Singletary. Sure, he racked up the tackles but his true greatness came from the things that do not show up on the stat sheet.

Fall apart and wasting three years of a franchise QB because he couldn't put a decent offensive line together by busting on his draft picks. Let's not throw Roses at Schneider anymore. In fact, one could probably argue that Schneider owes a lot to Scot McCloughan. As soon as he left the talent level on the Seahawks began to trend south.

In comment 14180636 bw in dc said:

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In comment 14180356 trueblueinpw said: Quote: Ridiculous? You listed above that such a statement about Adams was insulting to people like Thomas Dimitroff. Can you walk me around me that one? What has Dimitroff got that Adams doesn't have in spades? Not even sure how is Dimitroff one of the best minds in football. Was Reese one of the best minds in football when he was winning here? Were you talking about Chris Ballard? You really think he's brighter than Adams? And Big Red is having another great run through the regular season - and no doubt he's a great mind in football - but - he's also well known around these parts for doing one fairly stupid thing per game. Don't get me wrong bw - you throw up some good smart football people but I don't know that I'd take any one of them over Adams and I certainly wouldn't take any two of them over Belichick and Adams. When Adams is a GM or VP of Football Operations - where he’s building a team, evaluating talent, managing the cap - or a coach - building a game plan, motivating, making adjustments, etc - then let’s talk. Until then, you really are making this enormous leap for a guy who has a niche role for the Pats. And that just doesn’t equal this title of one of the two smartest men in the NFL...

A niche roll? A bag man? *When* he coaches or builds a game plan? Serious question, are you sure you know who Adams is? It’s so completely not leap to say he’s one of the smartest people in football. You really think Belichick keeps him around for the fuck of it?

by seasons end. But yeah his impact isn’t that big.

When is Belichick getting fired? Payton?

In comment 14180951 UConn4523 said:

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by seasons end. But yeah his impact isn’t that big. When is Belichick getting fired? Payton?

Guy has been coaching for over a decade and has a SB trophy. How many teams sign up for that?

winning the Super Bowl almost a decade ago is irrelevant now, that juice has runout for quite some time, IMO.