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Peyton Manning breaks down Eli

Keaton028 : 11/17/2018 8:50 am
Link is to a reddit page that contains the three-part breakdown Peyton did on Eli for a new segment he apparently does for ESPN called "Detail". Thought it was extremely informative, and also shows how Peyton would have no problem being a commentator.
Peyton breaks down Eli on Detail - ( New Window )
Thought it was cool how  
Keaton028 : 11/17/2018 8:58 am : link
Peyton describes Eli winning SB 42 as his favorite moment in football.
Watched this the other day on NFL Live.  
Diver_Down : 11/17/2018 9:01 am : link
It is interesting how the coverage earlier in the game dictated the adjustment that led to Barkley catch. It was over when Barkley cuts to the inside leaving the defenders trailing. Great execution, but great coaching to make the adjustment.
RE: Thought it was cool how  
Ira : 11/17/2018 9:04 am : link
In comment 14180269 Keaton028 said:
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Peyton describes Eli winning SB 42 as his favorite moment in football.


That reminds me that near the end of the game, the camera showed Peyton smiling just after Eli completed the winning touchdown to Burress. Troy Aikman said something to the effect that Peyton might be even happier now than when he won the Super Bowl the year before.
Diver  
Keaton028 : 11/17/2018 9:09 am : link
I didn't realize Peyton did these segments, but I found them really good. It really gives you a glimpse at what indicators a QB is looking at during the play, and pre-play.

On a different note, I did think the game script for this game was much better. Better blocking and running the ball lead to a noticeably better game from Eli.
Thanks for posting  
crick n NC : 11/17/2018 9:18 am : link
Excellent information there 👍
No Problem  
Keaton028 : 11/17/2018 9:23 am : link
!
That was fun.  
yatqb : 11/17/2018 9:47 am : link
Thanks.
A comment I remember Eli made once about Peyton.  
FStubbs : 11/17/2018 10:08 am : link
He said that he once actually discussed the 2011 NFC Championship game with Peyton. Peyton pointed out 3 different occasions Eli could've had touchdowns against the 49ers that he - and the Giants coaches - missed on film. He said that Peyton flat out sees the game of football differently from everyone else.

Hard to imagine us actually blowing out the 49ers in that game if we made those plays.
These are awesome  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/17/2018 10:43 am : link
fun to watch
I think to see so many things that have to work is fascinating.  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/17/2018 11:00 am : link
Give credit to Eli for making the right reads.

I know everyone kills Shurmur, but stuff like this gives me hope for him.
Thanks very much  
Daniel in Kentucky : 11/17/2018 11:00 am : link
Nice to listen to someone with some understanding of the game rather than Booger or many of the frequent posters on this site... which can also be referenced as Booger as well now that I think of it 🤔
Wow my God  
BBelle21 : 11/17/2018 11:02 am : link
That was really good. Think Peyton was getting sick of all the absolute bull sh!t out there being said about his brother? You bet. He just basically destroyed every analyst from beat reporters to Boogers.

He specifically addressed plays that Elis been getting killed for. I like Baldys breakdowns, but I dont understand how he doesnt understand that run audible where Odell looked open. It was also nice to see Peyton talk about Eli muscling the throw to Coleman, addressing the chatter about his arm strength too.

Thank you, Peyton. I hope he does more of this. Hell, I hope he does MNF one day.

And Jerry Rice? You and your opinions can shove it.
I love football  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/17/2018 11:02 am : link
and this video illustrates why.

Its simple but complex.

Strategy is everywhere, but beat your man.

Games are won in practice and film rooms.

Ultimate team sport.
RE: I think to see so many things that have to work is fascinating.  
Diver_Down : 11/17/2018 11:05 am : link
In comment 14180339 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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Give credit to Eli for making the right reads.

I know everyone kills Shurmur, but stuff like this gives me hope for him.


Whether it is the assistants, OC, or Shurmur himself, the credit is deserved to acknowledge the tendency of the defenders and scheme accordingly during the game.
put Peyton in the booth ASAP  
gtt350 : 11/17/2018 11:18 am : link
. fire everyone else just keep the play by play announcer and he is not allowed to talk to Peyton
RE: Wow my God  
ajr2456 : 11/17/2018 11:31 am : link
In comment 14180341 BBelle21 said:
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That was really good. Think Peyton was getting sick of all the absolute bull sh!t out there being said about his brother? You bet. He just basically destroyed every analyst from beat reporters to Boogers.

He specifically addressed plays that Elis been getting killed for. I like Baldys breakdowns, but I dont understand how he doesnt understand that run audible where Odell looked open. It was also nice to see Peyton talk about Eli muscling the throw to Coleman, addressing the chatter about his arm strength too.

Thank you, Peyton. I hope he does more of this. Hell, I hope he does MNF one day.

And Jerry Rice? You and your opinions can shove it.


This post sums up a lot.

It they agree with you, their opinion is right.

If they dont they can shove it and its bullshit.
RE: put Peyton in the booth ASAP  
ajr2456 : 11/17/2018 11:32 am : link
In comment 14180347 gtt350 said:
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. fire everyone else just keep the play by play announcer and he is not allowed to talk to Peyton


I wonder if he was asked about Monday Night Football. Cant fathom that Booger and Witten were their best option.
That was great.  
KerrysFlask : 11/17/2018 11:38 am : link
What other episodes are out there?

I could watch a ton of these....
RE: That was great.  
ajr2456 : 11/17/2018 11:41 am : link
In comment 14180360 KerrysFlask said:
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What other episodes are out there?

I could watch a ton of these....


I believe there is one every week, you need ESPN Insider but can find most here:
Peyton Breakdowns - ( New Window )
That was AWSOME!  
ZogZerg : 11/17/2018 11:42 am : link
You see the game in a whole different light.
RE: That was great.  
bw in dc : 11/17/2018 11:52 am : link
In comment 14180360 KerrysFlask said:
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What other episodes are out there?

I could watch a ton of these....


EPSN+. I usually steer away from paying for content, but it's a pretty nice feature by EPSN.

If you like college basketball, for example, there is a good 8 show special on Duke basketball.
That was fantastic......  
Simms11 : 11/17/2018 11:58 am : link
Lots of detailed analysis for the uninformed fan.
I don't like to shit on  
Keaton028 : 11/17/2018 12:01 pm : link
anyone who puts in time and effort to do analysis like Baldy... however, it just means so much more when it comes to an accomplished pro (bro?) who has played the position at the highest level. Carries a little more weight.
*comes from an accomplished pro  
Keaton028 : 11/17/2018 12:02 pm : link
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RE: I don't like to shit on  
Zepp : 11/17/2018 12:06 pm : link
In comment 14180374 Keaton028 said:
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anyone who puts in time and effort to do analysis like Baldy... however, it just means so much more when it comes to an accomplished pro (bro?) who has played the position at the highest level. Carries a little more weight.


Yeah I mean they both can be right. Even Peyton says it was an audible and you win some you lose some. Eli saw the defense, thought that LB was trying to bait him, saw the matchup in zone and audibled to run. Was it wrong? Probably not if they block it properly Barkley scores.

If he doesn't audible he could've thrown it to Odell or it could've been picked killing the drive. Those are decisions you have to live with.
Zepp  
Keaton028 : 11/17/2018 12:08 pm : link
Very true. Just goes to show how the game isn't black and white, and so much goes into whether a play works out or not.
Thanks for sharing!  
Kev in Cali : 11/17/2018 12:09 pm : link
That was awesome and never knew about these episodes....
RE: RE: Wow my God  
BBelle21 : 11/17/2018 12:11 pm : link
In comment 14180355 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 14180341 BBelle21 said:


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That was really good. Think Peyton was getting sick of all the absolute bull sh!t out there being said about his brother? You bet. He just basically destroyed every analyst from beat reporters to Boogers.

He specifically addressed plays that Elis been getting killed for. I like Baldys breakdowns, but I dont understand how he doesnt understand that run audible where Odell looked open. It was also nice to see Peyton talk about Eli muscling the throw to Coleman, addressing the chatter about his arm strength too.

Thank you, Peyton. I hope he does more of this. Hell, I hope he does MNF one day.

And Jerry Rice? You and your opinions can shove it.



This post sums up a lot.

Dont feel left out. Youre included here too

It they agree with you, their opinion is right.

If they dont they can shove it and its bullshit.
Coming up with a...  
bw in dc : 11/17/2018 12:15 pm : link
Bob Avellini and Casey Weldon reference was pretty damn funny...
That was a pleasure to listen and watch!  
Jimmy Googs : 11/17/2018 12:25 pm : link
Loved that first TD where Eli moved up and down the ladder in the pocket, and then found OBJ in back of end zone.

Jimmy  
Keaton028 : 11/17/2018 12:33 pm : link
I really thought this was enlightening. Granted, Peyton did this analysis after the 49ers game rather than, say, the Redskins game, but I still thought it was valuable to observe Peyton pointing out what Eli is seeing in his progressions pre-snap and during the play.
RE: RE: I don't like to shit on  
WillVAB : 11/17/2018 12:56 pm : link
In comment 14180379 Zepp said:
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In comment 14180374 Keaton028 said:


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anyone who puts in time and effort to do analysis like Baldy... however, it just means so much more when it comes to an accomplished pro (bro?) who has played the position at the highest level. Carries a little more weight.



Yeah I mean they both can be right. Even Peyton says it was an audible and you win some you lose some. Eli saw the defense, thought that LB was trying to bait him, saw the matchup in zone and audibled to run. Was it wrong? Probably not if they block it properly Barkley scores.

If he doesn't audible he could've thrown it to Odell or it could've been picked killing the drive. Those are decisions you have to live with.


There was miscommunication with Brown and Pulley on that play. Brown was supposed to pull and block the guy who ultimately met Barkley in the hole untouched.
Great videos, thanks for posting  
mfsd : 11/17/2018 1:33 pm : link
Definitely cool how Peyton can not only read the play coming, but essentially explain Elis decision making. Awesome stuff
Thank you!  
JohnB : 11/17/2018 1:35 pm : link
That was good
The subtle rib...  
Ryan : 11/17/2018 1:52 pm : link
..of Brady while showing the QB blocking highlights was a riot.
The Editing of This Segment  
pivo : 11/17/2018 2:08 pm : link
Was really good. The vintage clips thrown in were so well done. From the QBs mentioned above to the examples of one hand vs 2, to TB and others blocking to the HS (or younger?) team with an all out in the box - good stuff.
That opening is amazing.  
BBelle21 : 11/17/2018 2:31 pm : link
The content and delivery are so creative. Im sorry but the Mannings really are cool as hell.
That was great!!  
NYBEN1963 : 11/17/2018 4:04 pm : link
Thanks for posting!!
Engram Catch during last 2 minutes  
skifaster : 11/17/2018 4:59 pm : link
Watch Beckham. He did a great job taking Sherman out of the play. Peyton mentioned how hard he ran, but at the end of the play he faked that he was going to catch the ball so that Sherman stayed with him.
That was tremendous.  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/17/2018 5:02 pm : link
Peyton has a great style.
Peyton needs to do this stuff for a broader audience  
PetesHereNow : 11/17/2018 5:40 pm : link
He'd be so much better than Witten.
RE: The Editing of This Segment  
mfsd : 11/17/2018 6:06 pm : link
In comment 14180463 pivo said:
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Was really good. The vintage clips thrown in were so well done. From the QBs mentioned above to the examples of one hand vs 2, to TB and others blocking to the HS (or younger?) team with an all out in the box - good stuff.


Yup - the point about crowd noise making the home team defense miss audibles sometimes, with a flashback to a time Simeon Rice missed an audible against Peytons Colts in 2003 was interesting and very well shown.
Excellent stuff  
JCin332 : 11/17/2018 6:26 pm : link
thanks for posting...
Overall, this was excellent.  
Matt M. : 11/18/2018 2:05 am : link
I didn't know he did this and I'll look for it again. But, for me the best was his breakdown of the final drill. He really analyzed the playcalling better than anyone else I've heard. His comments, for example about the opening play on the drive to Engram and then the back to back throws to Barkley, with the same look D and the switch to the option route. I don't think I read or heard anyone else really see or explain the things Peyton sees.
Peyton's arm was not as good  
section125 : 11/18/2018 7:04 am : link
as Eli's, but look at the numbers. Yes, Peyton saw the game in a different way than all else. Probably why he called his own game.
After that breakdown on the  
section125 : 11/18/2018 7:39 am : link
"missed" Odell play on the 3, you could see that had Brown pulled and gotten into the hole, it was likely a TD. I remember saying how do they leave the MLB unblocked. Brown while he did a good job most of the game just didn't know the play book well enough. Yeah, that hole was big enough to drive a truck through and he would have gotten to the LB well ahead of Barkley.
Eli does not miss many reads.

RE: After that breakdown on the  
Diver_Down : 11/18/2018 8:21 am : link
In comment 14180912 section125 said:
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"missed" Odell play on the 3, you could see that had Brown pulled and gotten into the hole, it was likely a TD. I remember saying how do they leave the MLB unblocked. Brown while he did a good job most of the game just didn't know the play book well enough. Yeah, that hole was big enough to drive a truck through and he would have gotten to the LB well ahead of Barkley.
Eli does not miss many reads.


While Brown received a negative grade by Sy in the game review, I'm willing to give him a pass as there are a number of factors that can explain some of his misses.

As you mentioned, he just doesn't know the playbook well enough. How could he after a week of practice? Because of the CBA and the rules limiting the team having contact with players during the bye (except when getting treatment), he literally flew from LA to NY after being claimed. Realized that we were on the bye so he was only able to get a playbook, but couldn't stay at the facility so he flew back to LA only to return on Sunday night back to NY to show up at practice on Monday. That is a lot of back and forth. Also, this was his first full game since last year. He was suspended to start the year and was essentially passed over by a player that was doing well.

I'll be looking at him hoping he continues to improve and eliminates a need going into next season (assuming he is amenable to signing here).
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