When you run run run run and play action look what happens. It took him this long to figure out that you feed your best player and build the offense from the running game?
I think it's obvious that's what they wanted to do from the start, but haven't been able to until recently.
I actually think Bettcher is a good DC, I just think he needs to have very good corners to work in his scheme. He doesn't have them here, so he's went away from the blitz. His MO in Arizona was letting his CB's go on a island and bringing the house. He's getting more and more shy to do so here.
Was waiting Jackson to take the punt to the house ..
Place is a heck of a lot better when winning .
Probably not gonna run the table but It's what we should all
hope for in reality .
What drives me crazy is the piss poor tackling . The Reffs
were God Awful as well as our tackling but watching them
win and enjoy it is never a bad thing .
We can bitch about Collins he still led with 11 tackles
the lack of a top Free safety doesn't help .
Not that he's a world beater but Brown being halfway competent Â
is a major major upgrade. I know TB aren't a great defense, but we were creating legitimate holes, he seems to be able to move his man and the center position seems to have improved somewhat because of it. Even Wheeler was getting a bit of push.
I'd be furious. They're not. We won't make the playoffs and I still think this is a 4-12/5-11 type team. We'll need to find a QB sooner rather than later.
But this was a fun win and frankly I think the next winning Giants team we see won't have DG and PS at the helm.
was held on several plays. One they picked up the flag for no reason. #69 was tackling people all day and on the play after Vernons two offsides, he grabbed Veron straight up when Vernon had a clear path to the QB. One he wrapped up Carter so bad that Spielman was wondering what they were looking at. They called Vernon on a questionable facemask to facemask tackle and didnot call one when Coleman was speared on a return.
Giants will have plenty of requests for clarification from the head of officials.
Was just great today. The o-line was really good again and even though the defense sucks ass the team was actually enjoyable to watch.
On the really negative side, we really miss Snacks in the middle as the two guys who have replaced him have been putrid. Both Hill and Tomlinson have done nothing in the middle of the line. Tomlinson,IMO, has been a big disappointment as a very high second round pick and the jury is out on Hill who has flashed here and there but has seemingly regressed lately. These two got pushed around all day today. I don't know why Wynn doesn't get more snaps as Vernon,Barwin, and Martin stink.
If the giants don't like the quarterbacks again, i would take a good long look at Williams from Alabama. great interior pass rusher who lives in the backfield. He is nothing like Tomlinson.
This is a 6 win type team, that is improving upon a 3 win season.
Easy to get on the defense, but there are a good 5-6 guys starting who won't be in the NFL next year.
This team won't win another game. Look at the schedule. Who are they going to beat? Maybe Washington now that Alex Smith is done. But nobody else is likely to lose to this horrendous defense.
On the one hand, nice job offense. On the other hand, this defense is absolutely putrid and we probably should have lost. And our pick is getting worse and worse.
Enjoy the damn win and remember OBJ was snagged at #12 and we were damn lucky a talent like Saqoun was there last year when we picked.
Barely beat the Bucs at home.
Dave in Hoboken : 4:07 pm : link : reply
Impressive.
Every fucking week this moron rips the team. They win and he sounds like he he's not happy.
LOL
+10000
He sucks.
Go swallow his life-juice some more.
Dude you're invisible all game when we're winning. Other game threads we are not doing well - you are all over it. Please. You suck.
This is the least interested I've been in in this team ever. Even our losses recently, I haven't posted a ton in those threads. It's an awful, boring, football team. Sorry that hurts your little feelings, but it's true. Enjoy the wins against the 49ers and Bucs, though.
The Giants score 38 points, are +4 in TO margin (with no TOs themselves), a defensive stop inside the 10 yard line, Eli misses one pass all day, Barkley runs for 149...and they still only win by 3 points, needing to cover an onside kick just to avert disaster.
How does that happen?
It's like the defense thought once they pulled Fitzpatrick that they didn't need to play anymore.
1st quarter preseason performance against us and now all of a sudden your interest is waning.
Convenient.
You come across as an entitled douche.
All over? It was one of the first games of his career and our season, excuse me for being interested in August, after months and months of no football. How dare I!
You actually ARE a douche. And a very angry one at that. I'm far from the first person to make that observation.
Folks need to understand we are switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4. It normally takes several seasons to conduct that transition.
I don’t believe Bettcher has many of the players he wants in his scheme.
You think? And there was no way he wanted Harrison traded. And maybe not even Apple. If the offense/OL could have played the way it did the last two weeks this team would be fighting for first place in the mediocre NFC east.
Maybe they got lucky wit Pulley and Brown and only need to spend one high pick on a RT.
Lost in the win is the fact that the GIANTS were absolutely raped by the officials all game long.
They got it wrong on the Fitzpatrick fumble that was called a tipped ball.
On his one punt return, Quadree Henderson was hit in the head by a guy leading with his helmet and it wasn't called.
The YAC call back on the catch by Sterling Shepard was questionable. I wouldn't worry about that too much if the rest of the officiating was fair, but it wasn't.
TB was holding all day on offense and they repeatedly snapped the ball before their OL was set for a full count, but the zebras called multiple neutral zone infractions on the GIANTS.
The unsportsmanlike conduct on Wheeler was never explained to the TV audience, although that's on FOX whose game coverage may have hit a new all-time low with all the bullshit about Ohio State - Michigan, all the crap with their graphics and old film clips, their multiple program promos at the end of the chain breaks, and them losing video twice for extended periods of time.
But all in all, it appeared to me that the officials had money on Tampa to win outright.
Barely beat the Bucs at home.
Dave in Hoboken : 4:07 pm : link : reply
Impressive.
Every fucking week this moron rips the team. They win and he sounds like he he's not happy.
LOL
+10000
He sucks.
Go swallow his life-juice some more.
Dude you're invisible all game when we're winning. Other game threads we are not doing well - you are all over it. Please. You suck.
This is the least interested I've been in in this team ever. Even our losses recently, I haven't posted a ton in those threads. It's an awful, boring, football team. Sorry that hurts your little feelings, but it's true. Enjoy the wins against the 49ers and Bucs, though.
Folks need to understand we are switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4. It normally takes several seasons to conduct that transition.
I don’t believe Bettcher has many of the players he wants in his scheme.
You can say that again! The LBers are atrocious and are fundamentally inept! Carter and Goodson are both young and I can give them a pass, but the others have been abysmal......Martin, Barwin and even Ogletree have not been good. A definite need to focus on this off-season, to include edge rusher.
Sure, Tampa Bay is bad, but they have weapons ... Â
Barely beat the Bucs at home.
Dave in Hoboken : 4:07 pm : link : reply
Impressive.
Every fucking week this moron rips the team. They win and he sounds like he he's not happy.
LOL
+10000
He sucks.
Go swallow his life-juice some more.
Dude you're invisible all game when we're winning. Other game threads we are not doing well - you are all over it. Please. You suck.
This is the least interested I've been in in this team ever. Even our losses recently, I haven't posted a ton in those threads. It's an awful, boring, football team. Sorry that hurts your little feelings, but it's true. Enjoy the wins against the 49ers and Bucs, though.
This is not a response from a true Giant fan. Not even close. Just read what he says.
Looked very good , best of the season by far. When they were up 31-14 they danced a celebrated and then almost gave up the entire lead..but they didn't. They looked good overall.
Folks need to understand we are switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4. It normally takes several seasons to conduct that transition.
I don’t believe Bettcher has many of the players he wants in his scheme.
You can say that again! The LBers are atrocious and are fundamentally inept! Carter and Goodson are both young and I can give them a pass, but the others have been abysmal......Martin, Barwin and even Ogletree have not been good. A definite need to focus on this off-season, to include edge rusher.
When teams are running up the middle, The LBers have to stay in. That is the primary reason Ogletree and Co have looked so poor in coverage. Other team runs play action and they can’t get proper depth. Ditto for Collins in coverage.
Barely beat the Bucs at home.
Dave in Hoboken : 4:07 pm : link : reply
Impressive.
Every fucking week this moron rips the team. They win and he sounds like he he's not happy.
LOL
+10000
He sucks.
Go swallow his life-juice some more.
Dude you're invisible all game when we're winning. Other game threads we are not doing well - you are all over it. Please. You suck.
This is the least interested I've been in in this team ever. Even our losses recently, I haven't posted a ton in those threads. It's an awful, boring, football team. Sorry that hurts your little feelings, but it's true. Enjoy the wins against the 49ers and Bucs, though.
This is not a response from a true Giant fan. Not even close. Just read what he says.
GTFO with this “real fan” BS. Some fans aren’t enamored by shiny things and 3-13 or 6-10 seasons, year after year. Looks like that’s where we’re headed. I miss meaningful football.
I get some pleasure out of watching them still but I’d have preferred a string of ultra competitive losses starting at 1-7 en route to the top draft pick.
Folks need to understand we are switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4. It normally takes several seasons to conduct that transition.
I don’t believe Bettcher has many of the players he wants in his scheme.
I don’t agree. Many teams have been able to switch quickly. It isn’t about the scheme. It is about players and coaching. They specifically brought in players they thought would fit and let players leave who they didn’t think would fit. However, the coaches were slow in introducing the scheme and now they aren’t confident in the players they have, and neither am I. Vernon, Collins, and Jenkins all were supposed to fit this defense. Martin, Mauro played in it before. But who are the most reliable players? Wynn and rookie Carter.
Chances are the Giants are out of the Herbert sweepstakes Â
GTFO with this “real fan” BS. Some fans aren’t enamored by shiny things and 3-13 or 6-10 seasons, year after year. Looks like that’s where we’re headed. I miss meaningful football.
I get some pleasure out of watching them still but I’d have preferred a string of ultra competitive losses starting at 1-7 en route to the top draft pick.
Just another ass clown that is still bent out of shape that they passed on the almighty Sam “The Legend” Darnold.
If you watch these games and come away thinking that Barkley is nothing more than a “shiny thing” you should really stop watching football. Sam Darnold isn’t a pimple on Barkley’s ass. Yeah, yeah, I know. But he’s a QB!!!! He must be awesome!!!!
the draft is going to be an exciting event. We will likely be in the top five picks. QBs might very well drop down the board. Herbert, Jones, Grier could end up mid-round. We will be arguing about QBs, DEs, ERs, and, of course, OL. If only we could corral three or four first round picks...
RE: If these wins were costing us Trevor Lawrence Â
I'd be furious. They're not. We won't make the playoffs and I still think this is a 4-12/5-11 type team. We'll need to find a QB sooner rather than later.
But this was a fun win and frankly I think the next winning Giants team we see won't have DG and PS at the helm.
Maybe you should wait on that determination they seem to be getting better regardless of what the defense just accounted for , I think they deserve another year and they have multi picks in the draft and I think they are going to acquire more in the off season ....... if this Oline holds up they are going to be unstoppable even with Eli .......
I think it's obvious that's what they wanted to do from the start, but haven't been able to until recently.
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played a terrific game. Just about everyone.
Defense still leaves a lot to be desired, but it was nice to see the offense click for a change, even against a garbage team.
OV invisible except for penalties.
Wont be an issue next year. He'll be gone as soon as the season is over Huge mistake by Reese, though that's redundant.
Our coaching staff doesn't inspire me.
I actually think Bettcher is a good DC, I just think he needs to have very good corners to work in his scheme. He doesn't have them here, so he's went away from the blitz. His MO in Arizona was letting his CB's go on a island and bringing the house. He's getting more and more shy to do so here.
Shurmur I don't really rate.
I love this feeling for the team. I love how good it must feel for all of them to stick together. Win next week and I’ll be really impressed.
Amazing!!
Place is a heck of a lot better when winning .
Probably not gonna run the table but It's what we should all
hope for in reality .
What drives me crazy is the piss poor tackling . The Reffs
were God Awful as well as our tackling but watching them
win and enjoy it is never a bad thing .
We can bitch about Collins he still led with 11 tackles
the lack of a top Free safety doesn't help .
But this was a fun win and frankly I think the next winning Giants team we see won't have DG and PS at the helm.
Giants will have plenty of requests for clarification from the head of officials.
However, Bettcher's defense is awful.
On the really negative side, we really miss Snacks in the middle as the two guys who have replaced him have been putrid. Both Hill and Tomlinson have done nothing in the middle of the line. Tomlinson,IMO, has been a big disappointment as a very high second round pick and the jury is out on Hill who has flashed here and there but has seemingly regressed lately. These two got pushed around all day today. I don't know why Wynn doesn't get more snaps as Vernon,Barwin, and Martin stink.
If the giants don't like the quarterbacks again, i would take a good long look at Williams from Alabama. great interior pass rusher who lives in the backfield. He is nothing like Tomlinson.
Not this year.
Easy to get on the defense, but there are a good 5-6 guys starting who won't be in the NFL next year.
This team won't win another game. Look at the schedule. Who are they going to beat? Maybe Washington now that Alex Smith is done. But nobody else is likely to lose to this horrendous defense.
Herbert's been a Raider for several weeks now.
We'll still probably have a top 10-15 pick.
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Dave in Hoboken : 4:07 pm : link : reply
Impressive.
Every fucking week this moron rips the team. They win and he sounds like he he's not happy.
LOL
+10000
He sucks.
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Barely beat the Bucs at home.
Dave in Hoboken : 4:07 pm : link : reply
Impressive.
Every fucking week this moron rips the team. They win and he sounds like he he's not happy.
LOL
+10000
He sucks.
Go swallow his life-juice some more.
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Barely beat the Bucs at home.
Dave in Hoboken : 4:07 pm : link : reply
Impressive.
Every fucking week this moron rips the team. They win and he sounds like he he's not happy.
LOL
+10000
He sucks.
Go swallow his life-juice some more.
Dude you're invisible all game when we're winning. Other game threads we are not doing well - you are all over it. Please. You suck.
Enjoy the damn win and remember OBJ was snagged at #12 and we were damn lucky a talent like Saqoun was there last year when we picked.
So our defense is comparable
Reference: NFL.com/stats
I don’t believe Bettcher has many of the players he wants in his scheme.
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Barely beat the Bucs at home.
Dave in Hoboken : 4:07 pm : link : reply
Impressive.
Every fucking week this moron rips the team. They win and he sounds like he he's not happy.
LOL
+10000
He sucks.
Go swallow his life-juice some more.
Dude you're invisible all game when we're winning. Other game threads we are not doing well - you are all over it. Please. You suck.
This is the least interested I've been in in this team ever. Even our losses recently, I haven't posted a ton in those threads. It's an awful, boring, football team. Sorry that hurts your little feelings, but it's true. Enjoy the wins against the 49ers and Bucs, though.
Convenient.
You come across as an entitled douche.
How does that happen?
It's like the defense thought once they pulled Fitzpatrick that they didn't need to play anymore.
Convenient.
You come across as an entitled douche.
All over? It was one of the first games of his career and our season, excuse me for being interested in August, after months and months of no football. How dare I!
You actually ARE a douche. And a very angry one at that. I'm far from the first person to make that observation.
I don’t believe Bettcher has many of the players he wants in his scheme.
You think? And there was no way he wanted Harrison traded. And maybe not even Apple. If the offense/OL could have played the way it did the last two weeks this team would be fighting for first place in the mediocre NFC east.
Maybe they got lucky wit Pulley and Brown and only need to spend one high pick on a RT.
They got it wrong on the Fitzpatrick fumble that was called a tipped ball.
On his one punt return, Quadree Henderson was hit in the head by a guy leading with his helmet and it wasn't called.
The YAC call back on the catch by Sterling Shepard was questionable. I wouldn't worry about that too much if the rest of the officiating was fair, but it wasn't.
TB was holding all day on offense and they repeatedly snapped the ball before their OL was set for a full count, but the zebras called multiple neutral zone infractions on the GIANTS.
The unsportsmanlike conduct on Wheeler was never explained to the TV audience, although that's on FOX whose game coverage may have hit a new all-time low with all the bullshit about Ohio State - Michigan, all the crap with their graphics and old film clips, their multiple program promos at the end of the chain breaks, and them losing video twice for extended periods of time.
But all in all, it appeared to me that the officials had money on Tampa to win outright.
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Barely beat the Bucs at home.
Dave in Hoboken : 4:07 pm : link : reply
Impressive.
Every fucking week this moron rips the team. They win and he sounds like he he's not happy.
LOL
+10000
He sucks.
Go swallow his life-juice some more.
Dude you're invisible all game when we're winning. Other game threads we are not doing well - you are all over it. Please. You suck.
This is the least interested I've been in in this team ever. Even our losses recently, I haven't posted a ton in those threads. It's an awful, boring, football team. Sorry that hurts your little feelings, but it's true. Enjoy the wins against the 49ers and Bucs, though.
So why do you feel the need to post about it?
I don’t believe Bettcher has many of the players he wants in his scheme.
You can say that again! The LBers are atrocious and are fundamentally inept! Carter and Goodson are both young and I can give them a pass, but the others have been abysmal......Martin, Barwin and even Ogletree have not been good. A definite need to focus on this off-season, to include edge rusher.
Which we saw today. They are 1st in the NFL in yards/game.
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Dave in Hoboken : 4:07 pm : link : reply
Impressive.
Every fucking week this moron rips the team. They win and he sounds like he he's not happy.
LOL
+10000
He sucks.
Go swallow his life-juice some more.
Dude you're invisible all game when we're winning. Other game threads we are not doing well - you are all over it. Please. You suck.
This is the least interested I've been in in this team ever. Even our losses recently, I haven't posted a ton in those threads. It's an awful, boring, football team. Sorry that hurts your little feelings, but it's true. Enjoy the wins against the 49ers and Bucs, though.
This is not a response from a true Giant fan. Not even close. Just read what he says.
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Folks need to understand we are switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4. It normally takes several seasons to conduct that transition.
I don’t believe Bettcher has many of the players he wants in his scheme.
You can say that again! The LBers are atrocious and are fundamentally inept! Carter and Goodson are both young and I can give them a pass, but the others have been abysmal......Martin, Barwin and even Ogletree have not been good. A definite need to focus on this off-season, to include edge rusher.
When teams are running up the middle, The LBers have to stay in. That is the primary reason Ogletree and Co have looked so poor in coverage. Other team runs play action and they can’t get proper depth. Ditto for Collins in coverage.
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Barely beat the Bucs at home.
Dave in Hoboken : 4:07 pm : link : reply
Impressive.
Every fucking week this moron rips the team. They win and he sounds like he he's not happy.
LOL
+10000
He sucks.
Go swallow his life-juice some more.
Dude you're invisible all game when we're winning. Other game threads we are not doing well - you are all over it. Please. You suck.
This is the least interested I've been in in this team ever. Even our losses recently, I haven't posted a ton in those threads. It's an awful, boring, football team. Sorry that hurts your little feelings, but it's true. Enjoy the wins against the 49ers and Bucs, though.
This is not a response from a true Giant fan. Not even close. Just read what he says.
It's how alot of fans feel right now, genius.
Agreed but in this order Bosa, Q. Williams, Ferrell, Allen.
Tampa also had 500 yds vs Wash, they have weapons but still NO pass rush.
Miserable fuck.
I get some pleasure out of watching them still but I’d have preferred a string of ultra competitive losses starting at 1-7 en route to the top draft pick.
I don’t believe Bettcher has many of the players he wants in his scheme.
I don’t agree. Many teams have been able to switch quickly. It isn’t about the scheme. It is about players and coaching. They specifically brought in players they thought would fit and let players leave who they didn’t think would fit. However, the coaches were slow in introducing the scheme and now they aren’t confident in the players they have, and neither am I. Vernon, Collins, and Jenkins all were supposed to fit this defense. Martin, Mauro played in it before. But who are the most reliable players? Wynn and rookie Carter.
I get some pleasure out of watching them still but I’d have preferred a string of ultra competitive losses starting at 1-7 en route to the top draft pick.
Just another ass clown that is still bent out of shape that they passed on the almighty Sam “The Legend” Darnold.
If you watch these games and come away thinking that Barkley is nothing more than a “shiny thing” you should really stop watching football. Sam Darnold isn’t a pimple on Barkley’s ass. Yeah, yeah, I know. But he’s a QB!!!! He must be awesome!!!!
But this was a fun win and frankly I think the next winning Giants team we see won't have DG and PS at the helm.
Maybe you should wait on that determination they seem to be getting better regardless of what the defense just accounted for , I think they deserve another year and they have multi picks in the draft and I think they are going to acquire more in the off season ....... if this Oline holds up they are going to be unstoppable even with Eli .......