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Eli Manning just told his critics to Shut Up again

djstat : 11/18/2018 4:06 pm
For the second week in a row. Say what you want, but when you commit to the run and let Barkley lead the offense, Eli still looks like a QB you can win with. Haters you can hate elsewhere this week. 17/18 231 yards and 2 TDs
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RE: RE: ...  
christian : 11/18/2018 5:12 pm : link
In comment 14182573 section125 said:
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What's more likely, the difference was Jamon Brown or playing the 9ers and the Bucs?



If you cannot see the difference Brown is making, then you don't want to see it.
Yes two crappy teams, but he is still opening holes and keeping the pocket from collapsing.

Tiny improvements make a huge difference.


I think it's clear as day Brown is better than Omameh, who was and is a fringe NFL player and one of the truly bad decisions this team has made in the last few years.

Is Jamon Brown the difference between getting routinely brutalized upfront in the first 8 weeks and having success the last 2 weeks?

I suspect it's much more about the opponents than a waiver wire player.
Over 30 points/game  
Thegratefulhead : 11/18/2018 5:12 pm : link
I loved the win. Please do not expect anyone but a fool to make any declarations about anything because our offense scored 31 points against a team averaging over 30 points against them this season. The last two games were the most winnable games on the schedule. I will be ready to capitulate once they do anything in a meaningful game against a team playing for something.
RE: RE: Eli was just flat out great today.  
dep026 : 11/18/2018 5:13 pm : link
In comment 14182599 NYG07 said:
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Eat that you cry baby suckers.



Posts like this are exactly the reason I have been so critical. Hope you are thrilled that we are a whopping 3-7.


So you purposely rip Eli because posters say something on a website.

Wow.
I already said he played very well today..  
NYG07 : 11/18/2018 5:18 pm : link
The problem is, this is the NFL, and it requires playing like this on a week to week basis to win consistently. So posts like that are bothersome. He used to be great like this weekly. That post was pointless.
RE: RE: RE: Putting 38 on a bad team  
Toth029 : 11/18/2018 5:26 pm : link
In comment 14182543 Giants_Rock said:
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is what good offenses do. Not saying we're good yet, but I'm not sure what an "actual" good offense would have done to Tampa instead.



Don’t change the fact all those saying Eli was the problem were full of shit



Eli was never the problem.....he just isn't the solution. Guys like Doug Williams and Eli Manning can be super bowl mvps with a good running game and good protection. Guys line Aaron Rogers can win super bowl mvps with Robert Newhouse at left tackle.

Dat 32nd ranked run offense.
Eli should play well when we run the ball,  
joe48 : 11/18/2018 5:47 pm : link
Let’s see what happens next week against the Eagles. Tampa Bay defense is horrible.
I think the argument  
joeinpa : 11/18/2018 5:57 pm : link
From many is that Eli was not overcoming the poor play around him, but that he needed a lot of support in the form of a good running game.

Kind of worked out that way today. He looked very good.
Eli did play great last two weeks now..!  
mpinmaine : 11/18/2018 5:59 pm : link
who cares if it was against teams that had better records,,if only barely.. he still played very well..two games 5-0 TD/int

Specials played well..running game...great game...any of you on some of these threads who are negative today are nuts IMO..

Giants D let up maybe some up by 17 in the 3rd, but that is the best game they have played in a few years at least...4 pics as well.
Eli's Coming  
micky : 11/18/2018 6:45 pm : link
Eli's coming !!!
RE: RE: RE: Putting 38 on a bad team  
WillVAB : 11/18/2018 6:53 pm : link
In comment 14182543 Giants_Rock said:
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is what good offenses do. Not saying we're good yet, but I'm not sure what an "actual" good offense would have done to Tampa instead.



Don’t change the fact all those saying Eli was the problem were full of shit



Eli was never the problem.....he just isn't the solution. Guys like Doug Williams and Eli Manning can be super bowl mvps with a good running game and good protection. Guys line Aaron Rogers can win super bowl mvps with Robert Newhouse at left tackle.


How much is Rodgers winning now? All I hear is excuses why he isn’t winning when he’s the highest paid player in the league.
Next week actually  
St. Jimmy : 11/18/2018 6:57 pm : link
will mean something if he plays well and wins. Don't really want to see last years performance next week. Don't give fuck how you play if you lose to the Eagles.
NYG07  
Giant John : 11/18/2018 7:16 pm : link
Look I understand Eli is coming to his end. But today he was very good. So for one week he had blocking, he had a run game and receivers that were able to separate from to defenders. His and the Giants season would have been much better if he was part of an offense that played well consistantly throughout the season - like today.
Easy to criticize from your keyboard but the blame goes to all facets of this team. Not one single player. So keep being critical of our QB but he doesn’t deserve it today for sure.
RE: Eli was just flat out great today.  
BBelle21 : 11/18/2018 7:26 pm : link
In comment 14182582 Giant John said:
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Eat that you cry baby suckers.


I would just like to say, +1 :D
RE: NYG07  
NYG07 : 11/18/2018 7:36 pm : link
In comment 14182889 Giant John said:
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Look I understand Eli is coming to his end. But today he was very good. So for one week he had blocking, he had a run game and receivers that were able to separate from to defenders. His and the Giants season would have been much better if he was part of an offense that played well consistantly throughout the season - like today.
Easy to criticize from your keyboard but the blame goes to all facets of this team. Not one single player. So keep being critical of our QB but he doesn’t deserve it today for sure.


No, he doesn't deserve criticism for his performance today. But you are dancing around like the performance means something in the grand scheme of things. We are 3-7, coming off a 3-13 year. Eli is 38 years old in January. Maybe you want to see him play for this team as long as possible, regardless of the results. We are a bad team that just beat 2 other bad teams in back to back weeks.

I am happy for him today, but it is in the best interest of this organization to move on from Eli ASAP. For this team to consistently reach its full potential, it requires a new man under center. You don't have to be happy about it, but you will buy in when this team actually starts consistently winning games and becomes relevant in the playoff conversation.
HAH!!  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/18/2018 8:07 pm : link
If you need more proof that there are actually supposed giants fans who root against Eli, I present to you one miserable fuck:

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Eli's Coming
micky : 6:45 pm : link : reply
Eli's coming !!!


Here's that word again, asswipe - ponderous
RE: RE: RE: RE: Putting 38 on a bad team  
BigBlueShock : 11/18/2018 8:24 pm : link
In comment 14182833 WillVAB said:
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is what good offenses do. Not saying we're good yet, but I'm not sure what an "actual" good offense would have done to Tampa instead.



Don’t change the fact all those saying Eli was the problem were full of shit



Eli was never the problem.....he just isn't the solution. Guys like Doug Williams and Eli Manning can be super bowl mvps with a good running game and good protection. Guys line Aaron Rogers can win super bowl mvps with Robert Newhouse at left tackle.



How much is Rodgers winning now? All I hear is excuses why he isn’t winning when he’s the highest paid player in the league.

If you’re watching Packers games and coming away with the idea that Rodgers is the reason that team has lost some games you should really consider finding another hobby because football isn’t for you. He’s literally the only reason they are even competitive
RE: RE: RE: Putting 38 on a bad team  
Reb8thVA : 11/18/2018 9:27 pm : link
In comment 14182543 Giants_Rock said:
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is what good offenses do. Not saying we're good yet, but I'm not sure what an "actual" good offense would have done to Tampa instead.



Don’t change the fact all those saying Eli was the problem were full of shit



Eli was never the problem.....he just isn't the solution. Guys like Doug Williams and Eli Manning can be super bowl mvps with a good running game and good protection. Guys line Aaron Rogers can win super bowl mvps with Robert Newhouse at left tackle.


Rogers is trully phenomenol and god like if he can win with Robert Newhouse at LT because Robert Newhouse was a Fullback for the Cowboys in the 1970s and I think he may be dead.
1 incompletion!  
baadbill : 11/18/2018 9:34 pm : link
That’s not necessarily easy to do in practice during the week. Heck, that’s not easy to do in practice without defenders.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Putting 38 on a bad team  
WillVAB : 11/18/2018 9:38 pm : link
In comment 14183027 BigBlueShock said:
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is what good offenses do. Not saying we're good yet, but I'm not sure what an "actual" good offense would have done to Tampa instead.



Don’t change the fact all those saying Eli was the problem were full of shit



Eli was never the problem.....he just isn't the solution. Guys like Doug Williams and Eli Manning can be super bowl mvps with a good running game and good protection. Guys line Aaron Rogers can win super bowl mvps with Robert Newhouse at left tackle.



How much is Rodgers winning now? All I hear is excuses why he isn’t winning when he’s the highest paid player in the league.


If you’re watching Packers games and coming away with the idea that Rodgers is the reason that team has lost some games you should really consider finding another hobby because football isn’t for you. He’s literally the only reason they are even competitive


No, I’m simply pointing out the hypocrisy. All I’ve heard is Eli is paid to elevate those around him, yet the highest paid player in the league is sitting last in his division and all I hear is excuses.

RE: HAH!!  
micky : 11/18/2018 9:42 pm : link
In comment 14183004 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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If you need more proof that there are actually supposed giants fans who root against Eli, I present to you one miserable fuck:



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Eli's Coming
micky : 6:45 pm : link : reply
Eli's coming !!!



Here's that word again, asswipe - ponderous


Boy you are one miserable fuck..lol..lol ..lol
RE: RE: HAH!!  
micky : 11/18/2018 9:43 pm : link
In comment 14183154 micky said:
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In comment 14183004 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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If you need more proof that there are actually supposed giants fans who root against Eli, I present to you one miserable fuck:



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Eli's Coming
micky : 6:45 pm : link : reply
Eli's coming !!!



Here's that word again, asswipe - ponderous



Boy you are one miserable fuck..lol..lol ..lol


Though i laugh hard at you
He’s miserable?  
Bill L : 11/18/2018 9:44 pm : link
How come him and not those who can’t enjoy a win?

RE: RE: RE: HAH!!  
micky : 11/18/2018 9:45 pm : link
In comment 14183156 micky said:
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If you need more proof that there are actually supposed giants fans who root against Eli, I present to you one miserable fuck:



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Eli's Coming
micky : 6:45 pm : link : reply
Eli's coming !!!



Here's that word again, asswipe - ponderous



Boy you are one miserable fuck..lol..lol ..lol



Though i laugh hard at you


Though ill laugh harder when your handle becomes FRIP..hahaha
struggle to see..  
AussieGiants : 11/18/2018 11:16 pm : link
How Eli is on 2019 team with his contract... 23mio is WAY too much money for him and next year, if they cut him, they create 17mio of cap space. It's great to see him play well and I still want the Giants to win out and take the division but the reality is, he's not anywhere near worth 23mio. He was worth giving a shot to this year cause as a cap cut, he'd provide no relief but next year, I just can't see it. If Eli and the offense play well, and the Giants win out or go 5-1, maybe they do restructure... but if the Giants lose to Phil and/or Chicago.. I'd expect to see Lauletta for Washington or the following game and him to get the last few games.
Those of you  
GeorgeAdams33 : 11/19/2018 3:24 am : link
who root against Eli Manning need to go to church or something.
RE: happy to see the win  
djstat : 11/19/2018 7:27 am : link
In comment 14182396 hassan said:
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as a fan.

concerned this thing ends up 5-11 for nyg and they end up in no mans land in draft.

Eli is not shutting up critics until he does more of this - the first half of the season counts too-and the problem is the critics are right that they have to move on except if NY makes playoffs (8-8 may win east this year).read the post. Shut them up for one week

but yes nice to see the wins and the good game from him.
RE: RE: RE: Putting 38 on a bad team  
djstat : 11/19/2018 7:29 am : link
In comment 14182543 Giants_Rock said:
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In comment 14182390 mfsd said:


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In comment 14182369 widmerseyebrow said:


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is what good offenses do. Not saying we're good yet, but I'm not sure what an "actual" good offense would have done to Tampa instead.



Don’t change the fact all those saying Eli was the problem were full of shit



Eli was never the problem.....he just isn't the solution. Guys like Doug Williams and Eli Manning can be super bowl mvps with a good running game and good protection. Guys line Aaron Rogers can win super bowl mvps with Robert Newhouse at left tackle.
. Who has more Super Bowl appearances, titles and MVPs? Rodgers or Eli? Hint it is not Rodgers
It was a pleasure to see touchdowns. I don’t care who they played.  
Jimmy Googs : 11/19/2018 7:44 am : link
Oline created some nice holes, Saquon just continually showing what a weapon he can be, and Eli on target all day to a bunch of different receivers. Defense looked pretty bad but at least got some TOs to stop drives.

Who the hell dropped that one incompletion?
RE: It was a pleasure to see touchdowns. I don’t care who they played.  
dep026 : 11/19/2018 7:45 am : link
In comment 14183403 Jimmy Googs said:
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Oline created some nice holes, Saquon just continually showing what a weapon he can be, and Eli on target all day to a bunch of different receivers. Defense looked pretty bad but at least got some TOs to stop drives.

Who the hell dropped that one incompletion?


Eli threw it on the wrong shoulder.
RE: It was a pleasure to see touchdowns. I don’t care who they played.  
giants#1 : 11/19/2018 7:50 am : link
In comment 14183403 Jimmy Googs said:
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Oline created some nice holes, Saquon just continually showing what a weapon he can be, and Eli on target all day to a bunch of different receivers. Defense looked pretty bad but at least got some TOs to stop drives.

Who the hell dropped that one incompletion?


Barkley missed it. It was a combo of things:

1. Underthrown
2. Barkley picked it up late and couldn't adjust
Some interesting Eli stats  
giants#1 : 11/19/2018 7:56 am : link
Now has a 69% comp% for the season, which is >6% better than his previous career high.

His 6 INTs and 1.6% INT% are the best of his career. Previous low was a 2.1% INT% back in 2008 (only threw it 479 times that season!).

His passer rating now sits at 96.6 which is currently the best mark of his career.

His 7.7 ay/a is tied for the 2nd best mark of his career. The 8.1 ay/a in 2011 was the only time he exceeded it.

And on the negative side, he's set to obliterate his "record" for sacks. He's currently been sacked 36 times and the most he's been sacked in a single season is/was 39 back in 2013. He's getting sacked on 9% of his drop backs (~1 in 10) which blows away all previous seasons and his almost double his career mark.
RE: RE: It was a pleasure to see touchdowns. I don’t care who they played.  
Jimmy Googs : 11/19/2018 8:07 am : link
In comment 14183404 dep026 said:
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In comment 14183403 Jimmy Googs said:


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Oline created some nice holes, Saquon just continually showing what a weapon he can be, and Eli on target all day to a bunch of different receivers. Defense looked pretty bad but at least got some TOs to stop drives.

Who the hell dropped that one incompletion?



Eli threw it on the wrong shoulder.


Thx. Now I recall. Yeah agree he threw it on the wrong side. SB still almost made the circus catch. Stinkin’ rookie...

RE: RE: happy to see the win  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/19/2018 8:31 am : link
In comment 14182424 JCin332 said:
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as a fan.

concerned this thing ends up 5-11 for nyg and they end up in no mans land in draft.

Eli is not shutting up critics until he does more of this - the first half of the season counts too-and the problem is the critics are right that they have to move on except if NY makes playoffs (8-8 may win east this year).

but yes nice to see the wins and the good game from him.



He actually had a decent 1st half considering no protection and no running game...but don't worry I won't let a false narrative get in the way of a good story Hassan!!!

Hahahaha if anyone would know a false narrative, it's you.
Broken record:  
Big Blue '56 : 11/19/2018 8:32 am : link
There has never been anything physically wrong with Eli, imv. It’s most likely between the ears, secondary to the cumulative beatings he has taken causing him to rush and make some lousy quick decisons.

Give him reasonable protection and of course a running game he’ll be good for several more seasons, assuming he wants to continue, imo
sans shell shock  
fkap : 11/19/2018 8:33 am : link
Eli showed he can still play. Maybe not as good as in his prime, but good enough.

Many were saying his body was done, but for me, it was always about the mental. Give him a consistently OK OL, and he's a QB you can win with. Not his fault the OL played like shit the first half the year.

That said, there's no guarantee this OL will continue to play well, or that next year will see any improvement. the shell shock can come back in an instant.
RE: Some interesting Eli stats  
Diver_Down : 11/19/2018 8:38 am : link
In comment 14183415 giants#1 said:
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Now has a 69% comp% for the season, which is >6% better than his previous career high.

His 6 INTs and 1.6% INT% are the best of his career. Previous low was a 2.1% INT% back in 2008 (only threw it 479 times that season!).

His passer rating now sits at 96.6 which is currently the best mark of his career.

His 7.7 ay/a is tied for the 2nd best mark of his career. The 8.1 ay/a in 2011 was the only time he exceeded it.

And on the negative side, he's set to obliterate his "record" for sacks. He's currently been sacked 36 times and the most he's been sacked in a single season is/was 39 back in 2013. He's getting sacked on 9% of his drop backs (~1 in 10) which blows away all previous seasons and his almost double his career mark.


It is popular to mock DG and his derision of analytics, but what will happen when DG actually uses the analytics that you cite above to extend Eli? The sacks just reinforce the acknowledgement by DG that the OL must be fixed. He identified that as his no. 1 priority. Dedicating another off-season of OL centric moves (FA/draft) will shore up what Reese was never able to do in the last half a decade.

I'm ok with them boosting the OL/Pass Rush  
giants#1 : 11/19/2018 8:47 am : link
as priorities 1A and 1B. Personally, I view an atrocious OL as the one thing that can destroy a young QB as once you lose your pocket presence and internal clock (i.e. become shell shocked), it's hard to get it back. Whereas things like the speed of the game and throwing too many INTs are all correctable.

Also note that Eli's TD% is one of the lower #s of his career, though that's partly (largely?) due to the poor RZ play which can be attributable to the poor OL (no running game and/or pass protection). Though Eli's missed a couple easy ones to Beckham too.
Meant to add  
giants#1 : 11/19/2018 8:56 am : link
that I think Eli's stats are indicative of the job Shurmur has done with the offense. When the hog mollies are mediocre, there are high % plays available to be made and he's scheming guys open.

Yesterday's only incompletion might be the best example of this as most expected a handoff or short throw to Beckham. Instead, he calls a wheel route to Barkley, which should've worked for 20+ yards.
The analytics  
hassan : 11/19/2018 9:15 am : link
even though career bests, are midpack this year from an overall ratings perspective. His qbr is 25th. Not good. Just for some contrast, Ryan Fitzpatrick has a 100 qb rating.

RE: The analytics  
dep026 : 11/19/2018 9:23 am : link
In comment 14183510 hassan said:
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even though career bests, are midpack this year from an overall ratings perspective. His qbr is 25th. Not good. Just for some contrast, Ryan Fitzpatrick has a 100 qb rating.


I dont understand QBR whatsoever cause it makes little sense.

I saw Eli's QBR yesterday was 78 or 79 with only 1 incompletion which went off fingertips. HIS YPA was insane at 12.8.

But since he didnt throw for massive yards (he could have if we needed too) or a great number of TDs (he could have but the run game was working yesterday) he gets penalized for it. He played almost a perfect game. Thats why some of these advanced stats have little validity to me. Just like Eli's high QB ratings.... some of that high grade came in garbage time.
Honestly..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/19/2018 9:29 am : link
what the fuck is this supposed to mean??

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Though ill laugh harder when your handle becomes FRIP..hahaha


Are you suggesting death? I know you come across as a moron continually, but it is pretty harsh for somebody who is going through a serious health crisis like yourself to suggest that another poster die.

But alas, I'm the miserable fuck.

This place never fails to astound.
RE: The analytics  
giants#1 : 11/19/2018 9:30 am : link
In comment 14183510 hassan said:
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even though career bests, are midpack this year from an overall ratings perspective. His qbr is 25th. Not good. Just for some contrast, Ryan Fitzpatrick has a 100 qb rating.


His comp% is 6th and his INT% is tied for 5th. Passer rating and (arguably) the most important stat ay/a are middle of the pack.

Sack% is 7th worst with most of the guys behind him "mobile" QBs that generally try and hold it longer to make plays. If he wasn't leading the league in sacks, he's probably top 10 in AY/A.

ESPN's "QBR" is as useful as PFF's ratings.
RE: RE: RE: RE: HAH!!  
dep026 : 11/19/2018 9:31 am : link
In comment 14183160 micky said:
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Though ill laugh harder when your handle becomes FRIP..hahaha


How is this shit even allowed in BBI. Laughing at death? Jesus Christ.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: HAH!!  
Diver_Down : 11/19/2018 9:38 am : link
In comment 14183588 dep026 said:
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Though ill laugh harder when your handle becomes FRIP..hahaha



How is this shit even allowed in BBI. Laughing at death? Jesus Christ.


There is a lot of crap that is selectively moderated. I reported a post a year ago by Dragon. The post still sits in the archives on BBI's servers. The Moderator's response was, "I can see how you would be upset by the comment.". The comment wasn't even directed at me. It was a disgusting/hateful comment wishing that Eli would break his back. But it still stands in testament to what is tolerated on BBI.
The most..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/19/2018 9:40 am : link
ironic thing about micky wishing death on anyone is that he's in the midst of his own serious health crisis.

I don't take offense, just wonder what is going through the mind of that fucking tool.
giants#1  
hassan : 11/19/2018 9:43 am : link
ESPN QBR while flawed, at least contextualizes when you are compiling stats. His stat line was classic lying with statistics. Is this his best season really?

You fail to mention a pretty important stat: Eli's terrible td pct. Id wish for the old Eli who threw picks but scored a lot. We have the inverse now.

I am glad he has played well this week and pretty good last week. Lets consider the quality of opponent and if it continues against better teams then we have something.

Team is still 3-7, and he still gets paid a lot. I think the OP and some of the posters here are too easily impressed......he should at the very least be having some good games in particular against dregs like SF and TB.
that's really off-putting  
Greg from LI : 11/19/2018 9:45 am : link
Micky has always been a terrible posting, but wishing death on someone? It's FOOTBALL for crissakes! It's a silly diversion from real life where giant men in tiny pants hit each other senseless - THAT is what drives you to snicker about wanting someone dead?
He's doing what  
family progtitioner : 11/19/2018 9:49 am : link
an NFL QB is supposed to do, feasting on crummy NFL Ds. I want to see him, actually the whole team, do this against quality competition for once. Please no sack fest against the Eagles.
Boy,  
bradshaw44 : 11/19/2018 9:50 am : link
winning has really turned BBI into a miserable place, lol. Win baby win!!! Enjoy it folks!!!
The rhetoric and lack of respect for people  
hassan : 11/19/2018 9:54 am : link
has gotten very bad here. Unhealthy. People should be able to debate, even with some heat and get into it without stooping to this.
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