For the guys focusing on the draft position...

Are so head and shoulders above the other positions, that they have to take one. Q. Williams, J. Allen, Bosa or Ferrell.

entirely too difficult to root for a loss. My biggest problem is that losses stopped bothering me.

And I firmly believe we will still be in position to take a top player from one of those positions.

I look all year to these games, and I can’t fathom being upset with a win in a game as exciting as this.

I would like to see a draft where we draft nothing but OL. LOL

And pass rushers. Too much time for opposing QBs.

What do the Giants do with the 2019 season. Let’s say the Giants finish 6-10 this year. Do they go all in on the 2019 season thinking they made progress in 2018 and are again close? Or do they part with Eli on a high note and make 2019 a thinly veiled attempt at the 2020 qb class? It should be a strong class, but it’s hard to target a specific player or even class.

is downright foolish.

1st half schedule was very difficult.

Plus we need help at safety & a LB who can cover in space plus a QB. Is that enough?

Winning begets winning.

Be DL and ER.

In comment 14182464 Sy'56 said:

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is downright foolish.

Thank-you Sy.

In comment 14182465 Sean said:

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1st half schedule was very difficult.

Moew importantly, the Giants are still trying to win games while the Raiders are openly tanking.

It’s not impossible. Alex Smith went down, who knows if Washington wins another game. Maybe Colt McCoy will be better than Alex Smith who was horrible. But at this point when we have three division games left and the rest of the division is playing each other in the other weeks, let’s just root for wins and see how it ends up

In comment 14182472 Britt in VA said:

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Winning begets winning.

Exactly. Especially with a new regime.

And I am hoping the offense is gelling. If 2019 holds a weak QB class, I’m fine with rolling with Manning once more until 2020 and adding more talent to the lines. I think Eli is showing he isn’t done if he has a team around him. I think it’s a better move than panic drafting a raw QB or rolling with a journeyman.

and if they want a QB I bet all of the top 3 will still be there (or at least 2 of them). The top 3 being Hebert, Grier, or the Duke guy.

would actually be rooting against progress.

Wins = progress. This isn’t the nba and even then, the win still goes a long way.

The giants have been mired in a shit bath. They simply have to win and right the ship or it won’t improve. Win games. That’s it.

But I’ve been hearing about how strong the 2020 QB class may be. I just think it may benefit us to be patient. If Herbert is available and measures up, then fine. Building the team, and looking to 2020 for a QB is wiser IMO.

nothing in life is guaranteed, not even tomorrow. Take enjoyment in your team winning.

Exactly right.

So Was getting LT and Eli in two seasons I remember rooting for losses once the season was going nowhere.

That s not really foolish...... is it?

by the time this team is an actual contender again. Been said a million times.

In comment 14182539 DC Gmen Fan said:

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nothing in life is guaranteed, not even tomorrow. Take enjoyment in your team winning.

Amen brother.

Keep evaluating, keep teaching. Loved the piece by Spielman about Shurmur showing Barkley other great RBs running North/South. He sure did it today.
Seemed Brown and Hernandez were opening holes today that Barkley could use.

Confidence matters, and building those feelings and learning what it takes to generate them all matter. Losing and winning can both be trains you can't get off, you'd rather be on the winner. If we lose, ok sure we aren't very good and it helps our draft slot but honestly when I sit down to watch, I want to win and that feeling doesn't stop.

I don’t believe anyone coming out in 2019 is being compared to either of those two guys though. I could be absolutely wrong, but I really haven’t heard a ton of buzz about a sure thing QB this season.

I actually think there are a lot of young guys who add to the structure of the team that could win in the future. Outside of Barkley and OBJ who are obvious stars, Shep, Tomlinson, Hill, Carter, Hernandez, Engram, and Collins could all contribute to a winning squad.

The Giants are a bad team and they have beaten two bad teams
In order to improve the Giants need to make major changes
Subtle tweaks will not work

Winning not only reduces the chance of getting a premiere player but it reinforces a false narrative

In two weeks the Giants draft position has gone from 1 to 5-6
The Jets now draft before the Giants

I hate when the Giants lose, but, I hate more the thought of having to go through another year of this awful play

I am in favor of anything that makes the Giants a championship team

In comment 14182464 Sy'56 said:

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is downright foolish.

Exactly. My philosophy as a fan in a season like this is I want to win each week, but I don't get worked up over a loss

I think the hope going forward should be for more wins as well as smart picks regardless of draft position. Teams like the Saints seem to find premier players no matter where they are drafting. I dont think a high pick guarantees anything.

and I liked Mayfield the best of the QBs Barkley was far and away the best player in the draft YTD

And it looks like Chubb and Fitzpatrick will be stud All PRo or at least Pro Bowl types as well. Both of those guys were rated ahead of the QBs if peopel were being honest.

IMO forcing a QB pick is always a mistake.

Lastly without a solid OL you arent winning shit.

Name the QB better than Andrew Luck since he was drafted. No OL and no running back. BPA again. and with the studs coming out on the DL its need meets rating thankfully again this year

In comment 14182601 Keaton028 said:

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I think the hope going forward should be for more wins as well as smart picks regardless of draft position. Teams like the Saints seem to find premier players no matter where they are drafting. I dont think a high pick guarantees anything.

Yes this horse is beat to death but Reese and his staff rarey found them. Reese and Ross were horrific after RD one and were hit and miss there. Gettleman's first draft seems to have been good to very good. He does well again this team will be OK

But the Reese drove the franchise into the mess its in.

Draft position makes a huge difference
Statistically the earlier a player is drafted the greater chance of his being an impact player
This has been documented and is empirical

There are always teams that are outliers and they are successful despite drafting low this is the exception and not the norm

The best way to improve a team is through the draft so draft position is important

Yes, drafting is the best way to build a team. I still think the Giants will be picking rather high. DG seemingly did well with his first draft, I have faith if he is still drafting inside the top ten, that he will find a good player.

In comment 14182635 Archer said:

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Draft position makes a huge difference Statistically the earlier a player is drafted the greater chance of his being an impact player This has been documented and is empirical There are always teams that are outliers and they are successful despite drafting low this is the exception and not the norm The best way to improve a team is through the draft so draft position is important

None of this changes the fact that the last GM sucked.

Every other team found players and yest starter level players all over the draft. Reese after RD 1 barely found special teamers.

Its this type of excuse that people used to alibi for the last group. Your post is an over simplification.

In comment 14182633 LauderdaleMatty said:

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In comment 14182601 Keaton028 said: Quote: I think the hope going forward should be for more wins as well as smart picks regardless of draft position. Teams like the Saints seem to find premier players no matter where they are drafting. I dont think a high pick guarantees anything. Yes this horse is beat to death but Reese and his staff rarey found them. Reese and Ross were horrific after RD one and were hit and miss there. Gettleman's first draft seems to have been good to very good. He does well again this team will be OK But the Reese drove the franchise into the mess its in.

A lot of it is scouting too......Scouts have a tough job, but in order to find those late rounders that can be contributors the Scouts have to really have an eye for talent.

I just cant. I still want us to somehow get our next franchise QB this off season.

You re probably right. I was just taking exception to the idea that rooting for losses is generically foolish.

By the way I was rooting for . a victory today. I m convinced Giants are not going quarterback in first round and this season that is only thing that would get me rooting for losses at this pt.

Now if they lose next two, at 9'losses I might be back rooting for losses.

never.........


NEVER....


root for a loss.


EVER.

And again, I’m no college football expert but I think panic drafting a WB in the first round just to have one could hurt us in the long run. If Herbert is that good, then fine. But if there are better, safer options in 2020, then I am willing to wait.

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In comment 14182672 Simms11 said:

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In comment 14182633 LauderdaleMatty said: Quote: In comment 14182601 Keaton028 said: Quote: I think the hope going forward should be for more wins as well as smart picks regardless of draft position. Teams like the Saints seem to find premier players no matter where they are drafting. I dont think a high pick guarantees anything. Yes this horse is beat to death but Reese and his staff rarey found them. Reese and Ross were horrific after RD one and were hit and miss there. Gettleman's first draft seems to have been good to very good. He does well again this team will be OK But the Reese drove the franchise into the mess its in. A lot of it is scouting too......Scouts have a tough job, but in order to find those late rounders that can be contributors the Scouts have to really have an eye for talent.

Agree. along with marrying skill set to scheme. But lets face it. late rounders is 4th or even 5ht round or later. The parade of stiffs in Rds 2 and 3 were a hallmark of Reese and Ross. Jernigan Hosely Marvin Austin etc

I don’t understand how anyone can argue that you don’t have a better chance to select better players with higher draft picks

Draft picks are equity that can used or traded for other assets
There is a value to each selection

A team has a better chance to improve with more and better picks

In comment 14182464 Sy'56 said:

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is downright foolish.

No, it's not, and I will tell you why:

1) With each win, we miss on valuable time to potentially evaluate Lauletta;
2) With each win, this coaching staff and GM potentially believe that Eli is the answer in 2019, so we will endure another horrific season next year; and
3) The top prospects often resided at the top of the draft. That is not always the case, but it is often the case. You think you're getting a guy like Bosa or Williams between 5-10? Because that is where we are headed right now.

1) Lauletta is a fourth round pick and likely not Eli’s successor. Observing him is nice but not critical.
2) 2019 might not be the year to get a QB. Seems to be a weak pool.
3) The Giants will likely still be picking within the top ten range anyway

I say enjoy the wins when they come.

About draft position. We have needs across the roster and virtually any highly touted prospect should help us.

However, I AM worried that if we string a few wins together at the end, the Giants FO will misinterpret the season and think the team is relatively fine, just in need of a few tweaks.

In comment 14182739 Archer said:

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I don’t understand how anyone can argue that you don’t have a better chance to select better players with higher draft picks Draft picks are equity that can used or traded for other assets There is a value to each selection A team has a better chance to improve with more and better picks No one is saying that more and higher picks are not more valuable. The stats alos show most players picked don't make it. Cleveland has had all kinds of early picks due to trades. Why do they still suck? You need to pick the right players. Something even the best GMs and scouts don't always do

In comment 14182749 Giants34 said:

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In comment 14182464 Sy'56 said: Quote: is downright foolish. No, it's not, and I will tell you why: 1) With each win, we miss on valuable time to potentially evaluate Lauletta; 2) With each win, this coaching staff and GM potentially believe that Eli is the answer in 2019, so we will endure another horrific season next year; and 3) The top prospects often resided at the top of the draft. That is not always the case, but it is often the case. You think you're getting a guy like Bosa or Williams between 5-10? Because that is where we are headed right now.

Greedy or Jonah? Both should be there between 5-10.

In comment 14182565 Joey in VA said:

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honestly when I sit down to watch, I want to win and that feeling doesn't stop.

That's really what this comes down to. Fans want the feel good and will use any justification they can to argue for it. It's fine for fans to fell that way, but arguing that it's also good football management is what people take objection to.

In comment 14182548 joeinpa said:

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So Was getting LT and Eli in two seasons I remember rooting for losses once the season was going nowhere. That s not really foolish...... is it?

What about the teams that started off a season badly only to see those same teams rip off 8 in a row while salvaging something tangible? Do we ignore those teams?