For the guys focusing on the draft position...

Bears though.

I see jcn’s point, and agree, but it also does go both ways. Nothing is ever a guarantee. But I’ve already told jcn his point was valid.

In comment 14183299 Keaton028 said:

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Did they not seem to quit last year? Do they seem to have quit this year?

I thought last year they had worse talent. That's why this year they were season projected for 6-7 wins. Last year they were crushed with injuries.

IMO it has nothing to do with effort. We're a bad football team nwo and back then.

In comment 14183306 Greg from LI said:

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It just is silly when they use Odell at 12 as some kind of catch-all response to preferring a higher draft slot, as if it's routine to get one of the two or three best players in the draft at 12.

Agreed. I think it's also hard to accept that even inside the top 10, you're not guaranteed anything, but the chances of a bust pick up pretty quickly once you get past the top 3-5 players in the draft.

That's what made that Cedric Jones pick so G-D painful. All the Giants needed was for Lawrence Phillips not to be a complete shitbag and get picked in the top 4, and instead, things broke perfectly wrong for the Giants and they ended up with the one eyed DE.

The Giants were also pointing a lot of fingers, blaming each other, the coaches, and making business decisions.

We have been in games this year. We haven’t closed them out, and I think alot of it had to do with getting used to the new system and just gelling as a unit. I could be wrong, but the play-calling has seemed better, focusing more on running the ball and setting up play-action.

We were an injury-plagued team last year that had enough talent to make it to the playoffs the year prior. We are a completely new team this year that is trying to find it’s identity.

And, by the way in no way am I arguing that we are a bad football team. We are. I just see a team full of players that are still playing for their coach in my eyes, and I think that has value. Thats all.

In comment 14183316 Keaton028 said:

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I could be wrong, but the play-calling has seemed better, focusing more on running the ball and setting up play-action.

Has it been? Yes, we’ve recently looked competent against the 9ers and the Bucs, our expected peers at the top of the 2019 draft. But for the Bucs in particular every team looks good. They are allowing almost 35 ppg. They are the on the verge of being historically bad defensively.

And it’s a helluva lot easier to play when Ryan Fitzpatrick is so magnanimous with his turnovers...

I like how we’ve been more run-centric and allowed our talented first round pick to set the tone... if they go away from that in Philly and against Chicago, then yeah I’ll concede I was duped.