then when the Giants announced Barkley as their pick. He hasn’t come close to disappointing. Watching him is must see tv regardless if the Giants are good or bad
is the reason. We are much better at running and pass blocking with him in there.
BBDTS, that is my impression as well. Sy' gave him very poor grade vs SF and outed him as one of the goats. There were times last week and yesterday when he lost track of a rusher that led to sacks. But overall, the push in the interior is much better. I think he slides pretty well to stay on the pass rusher and shove him out of the hole or away from the pocket, again overall. For a very large man, he's got good feet.
is the reason. We are much better at running and pass blocking with him in there.
BBDTS, that is my impression as well. Sy' gave him very poor grade vs SF and outed him as one of the goats. There were times last week and yesterday when he lost track of a rusher that led to sacks. But overall, the push in the interior is much better. I think he slides pretty well to stay on the pass rusher and shove him out of the hole or away from the pocket, again overall. For a very large man, he's got good feet.
He hands the switches and overall pass blocking way better then we have had in a long time.
Resign him and get a Center/RT, and I think we have a decent enough line.
C being a key.....it's been a long time since we had a competent one in O'Hara. Hard to know what team has in Wheeler. He's so long, angular, a stretch to think he can add adequate strength and bulk and maintain his decent feet. Physically, he looks pretty much the same as in '17, but he obviously is gaining experience, and improving, I think.
Taking Saquon Barkley instead of Sam Darnold single-handedly set this franchise back 10-15 years (at least)... I read it on BBI.
Saw Barkley play in person for the first time yesterday .... still struggling to understand how anyone could ever say this.
BBI said sports radio personalities and jets fans and their superior analytics using FO are mocking and churlishly laughing at our laughingstock team when Darnold threw for under 200 yds and a pick 6 :-(
Glad we will have the chance to watch his career. Obviously different, but watching LTs career was special as a fan. Barkley seems like he might give us a similar ride.
Hard not to like. I was very against drafting him and still think it’s the wrong pick if Darnold has a 15 year career as a top 10ish QB, but you can’t complain too much about Saquon. He’s everything that was advertised.
I've never understood fans being upset about the Barkley pick Â
If you had watched any Penn State games you'd have seen a RB with a rare gift of power, speed, agility, quickness, strength, with the ability to run routes like a WR.
I loved the pick when it was made and I'm looking forward to many years of watching him in a Giants uniform. He's a special talent, period.
Barkley has yet to fumble, has a better YPA, and already has more yards than Barber did for his rookie year.
And it's a bonus that he's not a total tool like Tiki is.
There's no comparison by rookie years, yeah. Barber had a more humble start to his career. I'm talking about the Barber that established his place in team history. The Coughlin years, Barber was an unstoppable force. We all lived it, Barkley hasn't had that stretch yet.
RE: I don't see a reason to rush to put him ahead of Barber Â
What? Barkley is better. Of course there’s the whole ten year career thing but Barkley is better than tiki barber. He’s better than most players in the Nfl period.
He just had his first game where he looked strong and consistent Â
is the reason. We are much better at running and pass blocking with him in there.
Maybe. It also undoubtedly has something to do with the quality (or lack thereof) of the opposition. We'll get a better idea the next few games. I imagine the one thing all Giants fans - as a group - are praying for, is that the OL is actually getting better.
because he was a putz after he retired. Yes, it took two or three years for him to become the RB he was. He was HoF over the last half of his career. Guy was churning out 1800+ yd seasons. He shot his HoF chances in the foot by retiring early. Two more years and he was in without question.
This is not to say Barkley will not eventually eclipse all of Barber's records, but don't let personal vendetta's cloud what Tiki's accomplishments were.
because he was a putz after he retired. Yes, it took two or three years for him to become the RB he was. He was HoF over the last half of his career. Guy was churning out 1800+ yd seasons. He shot his HoF chances in the foot by retiring early. Two more years and he was in without question.
This is not to say Barkley will not eventually eclipse all of Barber's records, but don't let personal vendetta's cloud what Tiki's accomplishments were.
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It's my humble opinion that Tiki Barber diminished his Â
because he was a putz after he retired. Yes, it took two or three years for him to become the RB he was. He was HoF over the last half of his career. Guy was churning out 1800+ yd seasons. He shot his HoF chances in the foot by retiring early. Two more years and he was in without question.
This is not to say Barkley will not eventually eclipse all of Barber's records, but don't let personal vendetta's cloud what Tiki's accomplishments were.
He was a fumbling machine until Coughlin taught him how to carry the ball.
Barkley is a better talent than Tiki, period.
RE: It's my humble opinion that Tiki Barber diminished his Â
That's not just your opinion. That's a common known fact.
Stop being butthurt blowhards. Tiki was our best RB ever. Saquon can surpass him, but just because you can't get over something he said, doesn't diminish his career achievements on the field.
Also, are you righting off LT then? He's hurt his image much more than Tiki since he retired. I don't see any of you assholes disowning him or what he did for the Giants.
RE: RE: It's my humble opinion that Tiki Barber diminished his Â
That's not just your opinion. That's a common known fact.
It's not actually fact. No amount of being unfaithful to a spouse can subtract career yards or touchdowns. We separate off field stuff for some players but not others. I don't see anyone taking sacks away from Strahan or LT.
And I'm not even some big Tiki supporter, but he was great.
LT didn't bash his former teammates the year after he played Â
Context matters. Not saying LT is a saint, b/c he's not, and has had lots of drug problems, but he's not a d-bag like Tiki.
And LT is arguably the best NFL defensive player ever.
Tiki is probably not even among the top 20 RBs.
No he just decided smoking crack was more important then continuing to play the game. That’s a pretty d-bag thing to do. Or how about having sex with an underaged minor, still a pretty d-bag thing to do.
Tiki is the Giants all time leading rusher and you probably loved him before he tried to become part of the media. Just stop.
then when the Giants announced Barkley as their pick. He hasn’t come close to disappointing. Watching him is must see tv regardless if the Giants are good or bad
+1 Me too on the pick. He now makes Giants football must see TV. Even if the team is bad, you gotta watch, because you just might see something you've never seen before.
RE: RE: LT didn't bash his former teammates the year after he played Â
Context matters. Not saying LT is a saint, b/c he's not, and has had lots of drug problems, but he's not a d-bag like Tiki.
And LT is arguably the best NFL defensive player ever.
Tiki is probably not even among the top 20 RBs.
No he just decided smoking crack was more important then continuing to play the game. That’s a pretty d-bag thing to do. Or how about having sex with an underaged minor, still a pretty d-bag thing to do.
Tiki is the Giants all time leading rusher and you probably loved him before he tried to become part of the media. Just stop.
I didn't love the fact that he fumbled all the time. Or that he quit on his team after the 2006 season. And the original question was about whether or not Barkley is better than Tiki. And he is, period.
running inside, and we're putting him ahead of a player who put up an 1800 yard rushing season.
Tiki isn’t putting up those numbers in this offense. And even if he did, it took Tiki 3-4 years to become a good or ever good rb. 5-6-7 years to become elite. Barkley has been special from the jump.
And this coming from someone who still loves tiki Â
I don’t give a fuck what he said about Eli or coughlin. He spoke his mind. One could even argue that tiki’s comments in early 2007 followed by Eli’s retort helped galvanize the team and led to the super bowl triumph. I love tiki he was a beast here.
But Barkley is just a better football talent. If you had to choose one game one nyg rb you’d be a fool to choose anyone over Barkley. He’s a legend in the making, god willing.
The Barkley pick only has meaning if we get an OL and qb in front of him and he is still a good runner by the time that happens...
Saw Barkley play in person for the first time yesterday .... still struggling to understand how anyone could ever say this.
Hoping for a 7 year HOF level
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is the reason. We are much better at running and pass blocking with him in there.
BBDTS, that is my impression as well. Sy' gave him very poor grade vs SF and outed him as one of the goats. There were times last week and yesterday when he lost track of a rusher that led to sacks. But overall, the push in the interior is much better. I think he slides pretty well to stay on the pass rusher and shove him out of the hole or away from the pocket, again overall. For a very large man, he's got good feet.
He hands the switches and overall pass blocking way better then we have had in a long time.
Resign him and get a Center/RT, and I think we have a decent enough line.
Saw Barkley play in person for the first time yesterday .... still struggling to understand how anyone could ever say this.
BBI said sports radio personalities and jets fans and their superior analytics using FO are mocking and churlishly laughing at our laughingstock team when Darnold threw for under 200 yds and a pick 6 :-(
I loved the pick when it was made and I'm looking forward to many years of watching him in a Giants uniform. He's a special talent, period.
career ending injuries to top young players.
Kenny Phillips and Victor Cruz.
He's barely slight more than 1 year younger (Chubb was born 12/95, Barkley 2/97).
Can't you get anything right?
Barkley has yet to fumble, has a better YPA, and already has more yards than Barber did for his rookie year.
And it's a bonus that he's not a total tool like Tiki is.
career ending injuries to top young players.
Kenny Phillips and Victor Cruz.
You can add David Wilson to this list. He wasn’t a proven player but a very exciting prospect, and a costly loss of a first round pick.
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Barkley has yet to fumble, has a better YPA, and already has more yards than Barber did for his rookie year.
And it's a bonus that he's not a total tool like Tiki is.
There's no comparison by rookie years, yeah. Barber had a more humble start to his career. I'm talking about the Barber that established his place in team history. The Coughlin years, Barber was an unstoppable force. We all lived it, Barkley hasn't had that stretch yet.
What? Barkley is better. Of course there’s the whole ten year career thing but Barkley is better than tiki barber. He’s better than most players in the Nfl period.
Compare the lines. And this is Barkley's rookie year. He's still learning. And he's already improving, how long did it take Tiki to get to that level?
Maybe. It also undoubtedly has something to do with the quality (or lack thereof) of the opposition. We'll get a better idea the next few games. I imagine the one thing all Giants fans - as a group - are praying for, is that the OL is actually getting better.
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21. 2 years younger the rookie RB Chubb on the Browns.
He's barely slight more than 1 year younger (Chubb was born 12/95, Barkley 2/97).
Can't you get anything right?
You're being rhetorical right?
This is not to say Barkley will not eventually eclipse all of Barber's records, but don't let personal vendetta's cloud what Tiki's accomplishments were.
This is not to say Barkley will not eventually eclipse all of Barber's records, but don't let personal vendetta's cloud what Tiki's accomplishments were.
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This is not to say Barkley will not eventually eclipse all of Barber's records, but don't let personal vendetta's cloud what Tiki's accomplishments were.
He was a fumbling machine until Coughlin taught him how to carry the ball.
Barkley is a better talent than Tiki, period.
That's not just your opinion. That's a common known fact.
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career achievements all by himself.
That's not just your opinion. That's a common known fact.
Stop being butthurt blowhards. Tiki was our best RB ever. Saquon can surpass him, but just because you can't get over something he said, doesn't diminish his career achievements on the field.
Also, are you righting off LT then? He's hurt his image much more than Tiki since he retired. I don't see any of you assholes disowning him or what he did for the Giants.
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career achievements all by himself.
That's not just your opinion. That's a common known fact.
It's not actually fact. No amount of being unfaithful to a spouse can subtract career yards or touchdowns. We separate off field stuff for some players but not others. I don't see anyone taking sacks away from Strahan or LT.
And I'm not even some big Tiki supporter, but he was great.
And LT is arguably the best NFL defensive player ever.
Tiki is probably not even among the top 20 RBs.
And LT is arguably the best NFL defensive player ever.
Tiki is probably not even among the top 20 RBs.
No he just decided smoking crack was more important then continuing to play the game. That’s a pretty d-bag thing to do. Or how about having sex with an underaged minor, still a pretty d-bag thing to do.
Tiki is the Giants all time leading rusher and you probably loved him before he tried to become part of the media. Just stop.
+1 Me too on the pick. He now makes Giants football must see TV. Even if the team is bad, you gotta watch, because you just might see something you've never seen before.
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Context matters. Not saying LT is a saint, b/c he's not, and has had lots of drug problems, but he's not a d-bag like Tiki.
And LT is arguably the best NFL defensive player ever.
Tiki is probably not even among the top 20 RBs.
No he just decided smoking crack was more important then continuing to play the game. That’s a pretty d-bag thing to do. Or how about having sex with an underaged minor, still a pretty d-bag thing to do.
Tiki is the Giants all time leading rusher and you probably loved him before he tried to become part of the media. Just stop.
I didn't love the fact that he fumbled all the time. Or that he quit on his team after the 2006 season. And the original question was about whether or not Barkley is better than Tiki. And he is, period.
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It logically follows, based on the Tiki defense force above, that I should still love my first wife because I used to love her?
Hey if you love the guy -- more power to you. I ain't looking back and I ain't going there.
Tiki isn’t putting up those numbers in this offense. And even if he did, it took Tiki 3-4 years to become a good or ever good rb. 5-6-7 years to become elite. Barkley has been special from the jump.
But Barkley is just a better football talent. If you had to choose one game one nyg rb you’d be a fool to choose anyone over Barkley. He’s a legend in the making, god willing.