Giants played into their hands. Offense stopped using Barkley and stopped being aggressive. They went to receivers named Russel Shepard and Coleman. Shurmur needs to be taken behind the woodshed! This season’s over at 3-8. Might as well give Lauletta a shot now!
1. Going for 2 after the first TD drive. Completely unnecessary
2. Saquon Barkley getting 4 touches in the 2nd half when the Giants led or were down only a FG the entire time
3. The timeout on 3rd and 18 (that's either him or Eli). The possession is pretty much lost anyway barring a terrific play or a defensive penalty, so there's no need to call a timeout.
4. The timeout just before the 2 minute warning on 4th and 1. Either make the Eagles call the timeout or just roll with the situation and if you have to, call the two timeouts after the 2 minute warning
I will not watch another second of this team this year. Why? Badly coached. They traded away two starters. Management gave up. So the fans should watch a shifty product? Shurmur is as inept as
McAdoo. He's just not as big of an idiot when interviewed
Never Mind the officiating.
They don't care I can't anymore. It's not an enjoyable product. They didn't lose to better team. Again the Mara's chose wrong.
Eli makes the same mistakes as a rookie does over and over again, it's unreal.
Shurmur's lack of understanding of clock management is almost impressive.
Giants MUST work Lauletta into more snaps and get him on the field the last 4 games.
It's time to build around Saquon and see how necessary it is to look to trade up for a QB next year. The Giants are not going to get better trying to piece it along with Eli anymore. This ship has long since sailed.
Maybe in the last home game but that's it. Great career but it's done. He was good in the first half but came up small on a number of plays including one of the most unnecessarily bone-headed throws I can remember.
Shurmur is a terrible head coach. Might be a decent co-ordinator but play calling and game management looks to be be beyond him
Bettcher is coaching scared, presumably due to the utter lack of talent on the Defense. His success has been when he's attacked but it looks like he's shit scared of the utter void at safety.
and come up with that game plan??? Did Shurmur think we were scoring too much too quick? This is the worst fucking game of the season because of so many factors.
Let the Giants reel me in for the first time in two seasons, and they promptly shit the bed in the second half. Another humiliation at the hands of the Eagles.
As for Shurmur, he needs to be fired. He's in over his head. That second timeout was so egregiously bad I didn't realize we had called it until after the two-minute warning. He's an imbecile.
Was there something wrong with Barkley? If not, this might be the worst coached 2nd half of football in the last 10 years, by a Giants OC or head case (maybe I meant coach). Mind-boggling bad!
Eli Manning has to play better then that for this Giant team to win,especially on the road. He made some awful decisions today that I wouldn't expect to see out of any veteran.
is a train wreck and bad Eli showed up late in the first half. Left 5 points on the board with the miss two pointer with Ellison wide open and the INT before half.
They are a bad football team and this is what bad football teams do. OBJ and Barkley are great but the rest of the team is really really bad
1. Going for 2 after the first TD drive. Completely unnecessary
Eli's inability to see or hit a wide open receiver in the end zone on the two point conversion was a bigger problem than the decision to go for it. I had no issue with it at all.
RE: Shurmur lost that game with some crazy decisions Â
1. Going for 2 after the first TD drive. Completely unnecessary
2. Saquon Barkley getting 4 touches in the 2nd half when the Giants led or were down only a FG the entire time
3. The timeout on 3rd and 18 (that's either him or Eli). The possession is pretty much lost anyway barring a terrific play or a defensive penalty, so there's no need to call a timeout.
4. The timeout just before the 2 minute warning on 4th and 1. Either make the Eagles call the timeout or just roll with the situation and if you have to, call the two timeouts after the 2 minute warning
Going for two from the one is statistically the right call. There was a receiver wide open but the ball when to the guy covered literally 5 yards infront of him.
This game was a blatant showing of it. No way Barkley only gets 4 touches in the second half. Add the refs tipping the scales to the Eagles and this is too easy to see
What the fuck was the point of going for 2 at the beginning of the game? I think that’s one of the most moronic calls I’ve ever seen by an NFL coach. Shurmur is a total fucking idiot.
Can someone tell me why the Giants only had one timeout late in the game?
The thing I always notice about the Patriots is they ALWAYS have all 3 timeouts late in the game. Burning timeouts in the first half is one thing, but in the 2nd half those timeouts need to be hung onto for dear life. It’s often the difference between winning and losing, and in this game that did turn out to be the case. Is it a requirement to be awful at clock management in order to be a Giants HC?
What the fuck was the point of going for 2 at the beginning of the game? I think that’s one of the most moronic calls I’ve ever seen by an NFL coach. Shurmur is a total fucking idiot.
Idiots show more sense. But at least he got Wayne Gallman some
Carries
This game was a blatant showing of it. No way Barkley only gets 4 touches in the second half. Add the refs tipping the scales to the Eagles and this is too easy to see
This game was a blatant showing of it. No way Barkley only gets 4 touches in the second half. Add the refs tipping the scales to the Eagles and this is too easy to see
Well, the Eagles are going no where this year. The Saints or Rams will push their shit in so badly that I almost hope they make the playoffs just to see that happen.
Eli makes the same mistakes as a rookie does over and over again, it's unreal.
Shurmur's lack of understanding of clock management is almost impressive.
Giants MUST work Lauletta into more snaps and get him on the field the last 4 games.
It's time to build around Saquon and see how necessary it is to look to trade up for a QB next year. The Giants are not going to get better trying to piece it along with Eli anymore. This ship has long since sailed.
Giving Shurmur another year would be a complete waste of time.
Yes and why the fuck is he going for 2 on the first TD? We left 4 points on the field in the first half. Barkley with only 5 touches in 2nd half is bad.
I have no idea what his plan is comes out the 2nd half
leaves Barkley on the bench .
The two point try after you first id in the first quarter
Over think things much ? Get a TD followed by a negative play
Not playing for a FG and launching a hail mary instead of
getting into FG range ?
Barkley gets 4 Touches until the final play of the game is
laughable .WE have ZERO playmakers on the Defensive line .
Just another disgusting loss to the hated Eagles who
had good old Walt Coleman with the hanky fest had to pick one up that went our way .
I hope they replace him the guy is a career loser .
Time to get Lauletta in the mini streak is over .
Throws an INT inside field goal range at end of the half with two men open and one is Barkley. A score there is a dagger in the Eagles, even if only 3 pts.
Calls time out on 3rd and 18.
Has a delay of game penalty on a 3rd and 2 yds.
Takes a sack with two people open on 1st drive of 2nd half (IIRC)
Throws another deep pass to a double covered Beckham at the end of the 3rd quarter to waste a 1st down.
But unless Barkley is hurt, Shurmur needs to go. Why is Gallman in the game for the majority of the 2nd half?
It’s a serious question. Are we intentionally tanking for a better pick next year? There’s no other way to explain the second half of this game. The play calling, the timeouts, Barkley on the bench... wtf is going on?!?!
1. Going for 2 after the first TD drive. Completely unnecessary
Eli's inability to see or hit a wide open receiver in the end zone on the two point conversion was a bigger problem than the decision to go for it. I had no issue with it at all.
Points on the road are huge. Kick the extra point.
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Going for two from the one is statistically the right call. There was a receiver wide open but the ball when to the guy covered literally 5 yards infront of him.
The timeouts though, dearie me.
That one call led to the Eagles going for 2 and getting it twice in addition to the Giants not getting the conversion. You can say statistically it was the right call but it was his call and it backfired. He is responsible
What the fuck was the point of going for 2 at the beginning of the game? I think that’s one of the most moronic calls I’ve ever seen by an NFL coach. Shurmur is a total fucking idiot.
It's the right call statistically you're more likely to score from the 1 than you are with the field goal xp from 28 yards. The numbers suggest it's basically automatic. It's like 93% for the field goal vs 96% from the one.
And we had a guy wide open in the QB's line of sight, the ball just didn't go there.
When Adams ran through our line like swiss cheese Â
You just know Shurmur is going to say “I wanna be aggresssive for our guys”... how about being smart for your guys? How about using basic common sense and logic in making decisions? There’s a difference between being aggressive and being just flat out stupid.
Points on the road are huge. Kick the extra point.
The ball is on the 1 yard line. The coach can't do everything for the team. Eli has to see, throw to, and hit an OPEN receiver as opposed to jamming the ball into a guy who has someone on his back.
3 points. Not just the XP we gave up but the 2 2 pointers that Philly converted. They almost certainly don't go for 2 either time if we had just kicked the damned XP to make it 7-0.
Eli makes the same mistakes as a rookie does over and over again, it's unreal.
Shurmur's lack of understanding of clock management is almost impressive.
Giants MUST work Lauletta into more snaps and get him on the field the last 4 games.
It's time to build around Saquon and see how necessary it is to look to trade up for a QB next year. The Giants are not going to get better trying to piece it along with Eli anymore. This ship has long since sailed.
Clock management is s huge problem. When they let time slip off the clock at the end of the first half is partly the reason Eli felt the need to go the endZone on the pick. If he has more time he has more plays to work with, instead he forced a ball, should have at least got 3 points there.
Points on the road are huge. Kick the extra point.
The ball is on the 1 yard line. The coach can't do everything for the team. Eli has to see, throw to, and hit an OPEN receiver as opposed to jamming the ball into a guy who has someone on his back.
Yes that's true. But why are we surprised at this point that Eli misses an open receiver? He's been doing it a lot. We know what he is at this point.
Kick the ball, take the points, remove the decision from Eli's hands.
3 points. Not just the XP we gave up but the 2 2 pointers that Philly converted. They almost certainly don't go for 2 either time if we had just kicked the damned XP to make it 7-0.
Obviously Shurmur has more faith in Eli than any of us do.
I’m so sick of him burning TOs and taking delay of game penalties. He’s done that with every HC he’s had so it’s on him as far as I can tell. What the fuck is the matter with him?
How in the world does Eli make that throw at the end of the first half? It’s totally inexcusable. What a horrible game by Eli. Just horrible.
and in some of the other threads thinking there is any chance at all that Shurmur gets fired.
You people are clueless. Rarely do teams fire a coach after the first season. Never would the Giants do it. You claim to be fans of the team yet you do not truly know the organization that you root for. Tells me that you dont know what you are seeing on the field either.
Lets count the ways this team pussed out for the loss:
Dominate the first half, but make: 1) a pointless 2 point attempt call for no reason, and then: 2) have Eli force a ball to a FB when a TE is WIDE OPEN for the 2 points.
Then to close the half, super vet multi-million dollar 2 time MVP throws yet another idiotic INT, when Barkley who is killing them is alone at the 25.
Now the 2nd half starts. The Eagles (gasp) make some adjustments.
We dookie our trousers. Eli goes fetal again at any whiff of pressure. OL suddenly getting handled. And of course, our vet QB doesn't know situational football as well as a former LB calling the game as he wastes a timeout on 3rd and 18 early third quarter to then throw a -3 yard pass. Perfect.
Shurmur ignores the fact that he has No 2 overall pick Saquon Barkley, who was destroying them in the 1st half. Not only are we giving Gallman entire series, but when 26 is in there we're not going to him. FFS, why? This is inexplicable. Shurmur should be fired for that alone.
Then we have great forced throws by 2 time SB MVP into traffic to guys not open, when Barkely is running alone in the flat which worked all first half.
Don't forget, this is a depleted Eagles D, that is almost entirely in zone, and we can't figure out how to beat it with Sheppard, OBJ, Ellison, and Barkley? We'll have to assume Engram was hurt, but if not, ...
Then we can't forget the D. The fantastic D that forced what, zero turnovers? That in the 3rd quarter gets shoved around like little bitches. That gets no pressure from the front 4. Thanks 54! Money well spent. That can't cover a TE. That - as predictable as the tide - after we tie it up lets the Eagles chew clock and get the go ahead FG with 22 seconds left.
But Shermie wasn't done, no we have to waste timeouts to ensure on 4th and 1 we have the right D to give up a 10 yard pass to a guy with no one within 5 yards of him in any direction.
But at least we ended the game with 22 seconds of check downs. Nice!
where the hell am I blaming the loss on the refs??
They were terrible for both teams. They missed three defensive fouls on 3rd down misses, two that would've given us a 1st and goal at the 1. They missed a trip at the end of the game that would've given one untimed down for a 61 yard attempt.
I said in the 1st quarter that this crew would impact the outcome of the game (not decide it) - and they most certainly did.
Not the first. Games are played based on the circumstances as the game progresses. The reality is we couldn’t score in the second half and couldn’t play defense.
Blame the coaches for the halftime adjustments as opposed to making a logical call that didn’t work out in the first.
and Eli were bad. Many bad decisions by both. Real head scratchers. The run defense was also awful, and we didn't generate enough pressure. I don't think Vernon's name was called all day.
did you guys think he was going to let Barkley run all over them the second half too?
When the other team takes your #1 player out of the game, your other players need to step up. When those players are named Ellison, Simonsen, Shepard (x2), and Fowler you are all surprised that the offense struggled?
did you guys think he was going to let Barkley run all over them the second half too?
When the other team takes your #1 player out of the game, your other players need to step up. When those players are named Ellison, Simonsen, Shepard (x2), and Fowler you are all surprised that the offense struggled?
Shurmur took Barkley out of the game for most of the 3rd quarter, not the Eagles
against us. We’ve now lost 5 in a row to them and 18 out of last 21 times we’ve played them! Think about that......that’s just pathetic! A Division rival that just knows how to beat us year after year. When will it end! Eli statistically has had good games against them, but just can’t get the team over 5he top!
You have a point that they adjusted, but if they want to try to take 26 out A) we did it for them they didn't have to try; and B) they have to do that by adjusting their D and coverage. This is a team with a depleted secondary. So, you can't double 26 and 13. And we still have 87 and 85. There is no excuse for just pissing the bed like that. They want to focus on 26? Fine, play action to him and throw behind it. Decoy him out to draw coverage. Use it.
But above all, why did we take Barkely out of the game FOR them? Make them defend him and prove they can. He was still open in space on the swing passes and Eli was forcing it down field.
did you guys think he was going to let Barkley run all over them the second half too?
When the other team takes your #1 player out of the game, your other players need to step up. When those players are named Ellison, Simonsen, Shepard (x2), and Fowler you are all surprised that the offense struggled?
The Giants are under-talented on both sides of the ball, but when Barkley gets 4 touches in a half that's not a Schwartz thing.
Statistically, perhaps the charts say if you're on the 1 go for it. But let's think about that a bit.
First, it assumes you have an average team, we don't. Second, if you're going to go based on being at the 1, you run. As soon as you decide to pass, now it doesn't matter if you're at the 1 or 2 or 3 or 5. The QB is going to be passing from the 4-7 yard line or so. Passing from the 1 isn't any better than passing from the 2. The ONLY thing you do is perhaps make the play action a bit more of a threat.
Third, most of the logic that's been developed since the 2 pt conversion came to the NFL says don't go for it until the 4th quarter when you need it. Otherwise, you can end up chasing points. You just don't know how the game is going to develop. The 1 point is like 99% likely, and the 2 is substantially less likely. Especially when you suck, which we do.
We took a very nice confidence building drive, and capped it with a downer by missing the 2 pt. conversion.
Looks competent, completely unspectacular and totally replaceable. Doesnt do anything to make the team better. Holding on to this coach does nothing for the franchise.
...yes it's five points but simply adding those points to the end score is never a true picture of what really would happen. Think the Eagles are kicking a FG on the last drive if down by five?
Refs were bad on both sides but really started letting them play near the end of the game and it hurt the Giants more IMO.
Clear leg whip/tripping at the end of the game? I immediately thought so.
Finally.....bad coaching to not utilize Barkley more in the 2nd half - he wasn't even on the field - and Eli's before the half INT was brutal....take the 3 after they just scored a TD......and Shumur's use of TO's - although I haven't done the math - seemed completely misused.
Eli makes the same mistakes as a rookie does over and over again, it's unreal.
Shurmur's lack of understanding of clock management is almost impressive.
Giants MUST work Lauletta into more snaps and get him on the field the last 4 games.
It's time to build around Saquon and see how necessary it is to look to trade up for a QB next year. The Giants are not going to get better trying to piece it along with Eli anymore. This ship has long since sailed.
Giving Shurmur another year would be a complete waste of time.
You’re not taking into fact the embarrassment of firing a head coach two years in a row. It may be easy for us as fans to say, “Fire him.”
But the PR hit in reality would be awful. What coach and possible coaching staff would want to come to the Giants knowing the volatility that’s been going on for the past three years?
If the Giants fire Shurmur after this season, they’d better have a succession plan that’s been thought out and rock solid.
Shurmur, what a clueless guy he is ... the media asked all the right questions and sounded like an idiot defending himself . Sad the iNT was on him lol...
are not firing Pat Shurmur after this season. ZERO chance of that happening. If we have another non competitive season next year, which we may, considering how bad the talent level is, then maybe at the end of next season. MAYBE. No way Mara is going to admit being wrong twice in a row this quickly. Personally, I don't think Shurmur is head coach material, but even if we had a better coach, you're not winning with the talent in the trenches with this team. There are no pass rushers, no road grater O lineman, and we desperately need a QB.
and in some of the other threads thinking there is any chance at all that Shurmur gets fired.
You people are clueless. Rarely do teams fire a coach after the first season. Never would the Giants do it. You claim to be fans of the team yet you do not truly know the organization that you root for. Tells me that you dont know what you are seeing on the field either.
Everybody knows ownership won't fire Shurmur, partly because they're spineless. It doesn't mean we can't demand it.
and Eli were bad. Many bad decisions by both. Real head scratchers. The run defense was also awful, and we didn't generate enough pressure. I don't think Vernon's name was called all day.
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Sure OV’s name was called he got another RTP penalty!
Throws an INT inside field goal range at end of the half with two men open and one is Barkley. A score there is a dagger in the Eagles, even if only 3 pts.
Calls time out on 3rd and 18.
Has a delay of game penalty on a 3rd and 2 yds.
Takes a sack with two people open on 1st drive of 2nd half (IIRC)
Throws another deep pass to a double covered Beckham at the end of the 3rd quarter to waste a 1st down.
But unless Barkley is hurt, Shurmur needs to go. Why is Gallman in the game for the majority of the 2nd half?
Shurmur and Eli were clueless for about 2.5 quarters. Eli doesn't have to take some of those 2nd half sacks...throw the ball away or better yet, give it the TE standing right at the LOS.
This game was really lost at the end of the first half when the team just didn't know what they were doing on that last drive, and Eli forced a silly pass for no reason. Opened the door for the 2nd half comeback...
painful at times to watch Eli. And I don't mean his boneheaded INT before the half. I mean how he just folds up into the fetal position before being sacked. I assume he does so to protect the ball, but it's just another reminder that he has zero mobility. He used to have nimble feet, pocket presence, and a willingness to stand in the pocket, but those qualities seem to have gone. He also isn't seeing the whole field, two examples today being his missing Ellison on the two point conversion and Barkley in the flat on the INT. I can't see paying him $17M next year.
Well so much blame, so many culprits. Eli did what he always does—some good , some bad, some stupid and some inexplicable, but he will take the blame and handle the criticism with class. Gettleman put together team and coaching staff and his misses far outweigh his hits. He’s Mara’s guy and Mara is his father’s son—loyal to a fault and the Results be damned—notwithstanding his protests to the contrary. Finally there is SHurmur—by all accounts a nice man who has thrived in assistant coaching positions and failed miserably as a head coach both in NY and Cleveland. His game planning and game management seem to lack any consistency as you never know whether he is the riverboat gambler or an ultra-conservative coach playing not to lose. In the end you have a losing team which finds new ways to embarrass itself each week. Losers blame bad breaks. Losers blame officials. Losers lose.
RE: Corey Coleman drop was an underrated big play. Â
and in some of the other threads thinking there is any chance at all that Shurmur gets fired.
You people are clueless. Rarely do teams fire a coach after the first season. Never would the Giants do it. You claim to be fans of the team yet you do not truly know the organization that you root for. Tells me that you dont know what you are seeing on the field either.
You’re right that they won’t fire Shurmur after one season. But I’m not feeling good about him as a coach after watching him abandon everything that worked for him in the first half today. I don’t like the idea of changing coaches again but you can’t blame anyone for not having a lot of confidence in him after the game plans and some of the decisions he’s made so far.
1) It was nice that for 2 1/2 weeks, the Giants (plus a weak division) gave us a chance to dream.
2) Now that dream is shattered. There is no reason for Lauletta not to start the rest of the season. In the best case scenario, they see enough to think they can win with him, given the other players on offense. The worst case scenario is they realize they need to spend their top 10 pick on a QB.
3) This game was lost in the 3rd quarter. But the failed 2 point conversion (stupid decision to even go for it), the INT before the break, and the second half ignoring of Barkley certainly contributed.
4) It also didn't help that the officials missed PI on both the INT and the failed TD attempt to OBJ in thr 4th.
5) I don't know what to think about Shurmer going forward. But, based on the entire season, plus his resume, I wouldn't be upset if he was fired.
Hope this loss squashes any inane thoughts management has about retaining Eli for another season. Lauletta needs to start, if not next week, the week after. And he needs to play out the string until Dallas at home in the finale, where Eli can go out slinging one last time.
and in some of the other threads thinking there is any chance at all that Shurmur gets fired.
You people are clueless. Rarely do teams fire a coach after the first season. Never would the Giants do it. You claim to be fans of the team yet you do not truly know the organization that you root for. Tells me that you dont know what you are seeing on the field either.
The only thing that gives me hope is that Gettleman admits his mistakes and tries to fix them. Lots of people would have thought he'd never cut Flowers and especially not Omameh.
how this team managed to lose this game.. really impressive. Aside from all the comments already in the thread. Almost every single player did something to help us lose today. The massive drop by Coleman. The horrendous miss 2pt play and terrible interception by Eli. Jamon Brown showing us over and over again why he was available on the waiver wire. Curtis Riley, who is the worst football player ever to wear a Giants uniform. Why is he on the team? We are very clearly missing Snacks not that I'd necessarily change the trade but the thought that Tomlinson & Hill would be able get the job done is just wishful thinking. The coaching.. just horrendous game planning in 2nd half.. although it'd be nice if they could have run 3 plays without a penalty.
and in some of the other threads thinking there is any chance at all that Shurmur gets fired.
You people are clueless. Rarely do teams fire a coach after the first season. Never would the Giants do it. You claim to be fans of the team yet you do not truly know the organization that you root for. Tells me that you dont know what you are seeing on the field either.
That they won't fire him is one thing. They probably should. He's not a rookie coach. He looks very much like a retread hire, and a career coordinator.
And obviously people are venting frustration. That's not hard to see either for anyone that's been posting here for a while.
You have Tomlinson who is terrible at nose tackle ,he has become the weakest link on the D-Line ..... he really stunk it up today as a matter of fact I really don’t understand what anybody sees in this guy ...I can’t remember his last big play
You’re not taking into fact the embarrassment of firing a head coach two years in a row. It may be easy for us as fans to say, “Fire him.”
But the PR hit in reality would be awful. What coach and possible coaching staff would want to come to the Giants knowing the volatility that’s been going on for the past three years?
If the Giants fire Shurmur after this season, they’d better have a succession plan that’s been thought out and rock solid.
Part of the Giants problem is they're too worried about reaction. Reaction of the fans, reaction of the media - and in some cases, reaction of the players.
They need to start making decisions based on what gives them the best chance towards winning, short and long term. If that means firing Shurmur because he's never going to be more than a below average coach, then so be it, PR flak be damned.
You have Tomlinson who is terrible at nose tackle ,he has become the weakest link on the D-Line ..... he really stunk it up today as a matter of fact I really don’t understand what anybody sees in this guy ...I can’t remember his last big play
Tomlinson was much better in a 4-3 lined up next to Snacks. I’m not so sure he’s that good in a 3-4. Changing the Defensive scheme this year created so many issues on that side of the ball, questionable personnel for a 3-4, miscommunications, etc.
26-37 for 297 and 1 td. Although one td against a team with no healthy CBs is abysmal. I knew Giants would not attack their weakness. I don’t believe Shurmur is shrewd enough and he clearly is not adept at clock management.
Oh well, at least Eli Apple is playing well in New Orleans and Snacks is plugging holes in Detroit.
As for Gettleman, at least he tries to fill gaps....he apparently is not good at evaluating talent or he has bad advisers.
ok.. I'm not going to argue. There have been many and we all have our favorites... :)
But honestly, let's say Curtis Riley is top 5 worst. I keep reading Sy's game reviews to find the redeeming qualities.. never is one.
Did you see that angle he took on the touchdown run in the 1st quarter that was called back on a penalty. The chicken arm tackle when the Eagles scored going into the half? It's EVERY WEEK! Surely he's not here in 2019.. isn't there anyone else on the planet that is worth giving a chance to?
One of the worst run organizations in the league, clueless and horrible on all levels. Stupid Owner, stupid head coach, stupid GM, and stupid QB. Other then that everything is fine. I was sure glad that we got those great fucking picks for Snacks today. Please, everybody stay the fuck home and pay this organization no mind at all, they deserve no respect of loyalty at all. Sickening fucking game, imagine what any other organization would do with Barkley and Beckham, this fucking idiot does nothing but embarrass himself and all of us every fucking week. Glad he is such a fucking adult for dumb ass Mara.
Only to have the tide turn completely in favor of the enemy by virtue of a killer Eli interception. A fucking brutal force into bracket coverage too. I’m so fucking sick of this narrative. 3-18 vs one team is ridiculous.
One of the worst run organizations in the league, clueless and horrible on all levels. Stupid Owner, stupid head coach, stupid GM, and stupid QB. Other then that everything is fine. I was sure glad that we got those great fucking picks for Snacks today. Please, everybody stay the fuck home and pay this organization no mind at all, they deserve no respect of loyalty at all. Sickening fucking game, imagine what any other organization would do with Barkley and Beckham, this fucking idiot does nothing but embarrass himself and all of us every fucking week. Glad he is such a fucking adult for dumb ass Mara.
I feel exactly the same way. A very sickening game to watch. Just miserable being a Giants fan these days.
Are very surprised by the Giants loss. The Giants did what bad teams do, they lost a lead and made all of the corresponding errors that go along with these sorts of defeats. The NFL is separated by an inch. The good teams make the plays to win and, well the bad teams throw INTs when they are in field goal range at the end of the half.
We can blame officials and unlucky breaks, but when these things happen consistently, it’s called a bad organization. To give some a little perspective, the Giants are 6-21 over the past two seasons. The Browns are 4-22-1. One less loss than the gold standard for bad in this league. Difference is, the browns arrow is very much pointing up after an honest offseason evaluation, while the Giants are directionless at best.
I keep reading that Shurmur should and will get another seaon. That may be true, but let me ask some of you this question, what point and purpose are served in giving him more time? How many of you jumped for joy when Shurmur was hired? We know what Pat Shurmur is in this league, he’s not getting better.
We can speak of organizational stability all we want, but that only rings true when the organization is consistently placing a worthwhile product on the field. I’d applaud ownership this offseason if they finally conducted an honest evaluation and said, you know what...we screwed up last offseason we made the wrong GM hire, wrong coaching hire, and badly misread the state of this franchise, let’s start over. Will that happen, of course not. But until we get to that point, we’re going to see more of the same. Oh well, I guess there’s always next year?
Who forgot him? ANYONE old enough to watch him still remembers him. He was a terrific player. No one forgot #43, it's old #41, Willie Williams, another excellent DB playing opposite Spider that people have forgotten.
Are very surprised by the Giants loss. The Giants did what bad teams do, they lost a lead and made all of the corresponding errors that go along with these sorts of defeats. The NFL is separated by an inch. The good teams make the plays to win and, well the bad teams throw INTs when they are in field goal range at the end of the half.
We can blame officials and unlucky breaks, but when these things happen consistently, it’s called a bad organization. To give some a little perspective, the Giants are 6-21 over the past two seasons. The Browns are 4-22-1. One less loss than the gold standard for bad in this league. Difference is, the browns arrow is very much pointing up after an honest offseason evaluation, while the Giants are directionless at best.
I keep reading that Shurmur should and will get another seaon. That may be true, but let me ask some of you this question, what point and purpose are served in giving him more time? How many of you jumped for joy when Shurmur was hired? We know what Pat Shurmur is in this league, he’s not getting better.
We can speak of organizational stability all we want, but that only rings true when the organization is consistently placing a worthwhile product on the field. I’d applaud ownership this offseason if they finally conducted an honest evaluation and said, you know what...we screwed up last offseason we made the wrong GM hire, wrong coaching hire, and badly misread the state of this franchise, let’s start over. Will that happen, of course not. But until we get to that point, we’re going to see more of the same. Oh well, I guess there’s always next year?
That would only help if they also remove themselves (looking at Chris Mara) from personnel decisions. I'd support a complete gutting of the entire football organization down to the scouts, the secretaries, and the janitors.
Looks competent, completely unspectacular and totally replaceable. Doesnt do anything to make the team better. Holding on to this coach does nothing for the franchise.
Are very surprised by the Giants loss. The Giants did what bad teams do, they lost a lead and made all of the corresponding errors that go along with these sorts of defeats. The NFL is separated by an inch. The good teams make the plays to win and, well the bad teams throw INTs when they are in field goal range at the end of the half.
We can blame officials and unlucky breaks, but when these things happen consistently, it’s called a bad organization. To give some a little perspective, the Giants are 6-21 over the past two seasons. The Browns are 4-22-1. One less loss than the gold standard for bad in this league. Difference is, the browns arrow is very much pointing up after an honest offseason evaluation, while the Giants are directionless at best.
I keep reading that Shurmur should and will get another seaon. That may be true, but let me ask some of you this question, what point and purpose are served in giving him more time? How many of you jumped for joy when Shurmur was hired? We know what Pat Shurmur is in this league, he’s not getting better.
We can speak of organizational stability all we want, but that only rings true when the organization is consistently placing a worthwhile product on the field. I’d applaud ownership this offseason if they finally conducted an honest evaluation and said, you know what...we screwed up last offseason we made the wrong GM hire, wrong coaching hire, and badly misread the state of this franchise, let’s start over. Will that happen, of course not. But until we get to that point, we’re going to see more of the same. Oh well, I guess there’s always next year?
Next year? Assuming we pass on a QB this spring, I’d hope we blow the cock again to better position ourselves for Tua or Fromm. Here’s what we’re looking at:
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Are very surprised by the Giants loss. The Giants did what bad teams do, they lost a lead and made all of the corresponding errors that go along with these sorts of defeats. The NFL is separated by an inch. The good teams make the plays to win and, well the bad teams throw INTs when they are in field goal range at the end of the half.
We can blame officials and unlucky breaks, but when these things happen consistently, it’s called a bad organization. To give some a little perspective, the Giants are 6-21 over the past two seasons. The Browns are 4-22-1. One less loss than the gold standard for bad in this league. Difference is, the browns arrow is very much pointing up after an honest offseason evaluation, while the Giants are directionless at best.
I keep reading that Shurmur should and will get another seaon. That may be true, but let me ask some of you this question, what point and purpose are served in giving him more time? How many of you jumped for joy when Shurmur was hired? We know what Pat Shurmur is in this league, he’s not getting better.
We can speak of organizational stability all we want, but that only rings true when the organization is consistently placing a worthwhile product on the field. I’d applaud ownership this offseason if they finally conducted an honest evaluation and said, you know what...we screwed up last offseason we made the wrong GM hire, wrong coaching hire, and badly misread the state of this franchise, let’s start over. Will that happen, of course not. But until we get to that point, we’re going to see more of the same. Oh well, I guess there’s always next year?
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RE: Another Eagle-Giant game being dominated by the good guys Â
Only to have the tide turn completely in favor of the enemy by virtue of a killer Eli interception. A fucking brutal force into bracket coverage too. I’m so fucking sick of this narrative. 3-18 vs one team is ridiculous.
He would have never taken that shot if our clueless head coach wasn’t he’ll bent on going into halftime with his timeouts in his pocket.
Are very surprised by the Giants loss. The Giants did what bad teams do, they lost a lead and made all of the corresponding errors that go along with these sorts of defeats. The NFL is separated by an inch. The good teams make the plays to win and, well the bad teams throw INTs when they are in field goal range at the end of the half.
We can blame officials and unlucky breaks, but when these things happen consistently, it’s called a bad organization. To give some a little perspective, the Giants are 6-21 over the past two seasons. The Browns are 4-22-1. One less loss than the gold standard for bad in this league. Difference is, the browns arrow is very much pointing up after an honest offseason evaluation, while the Giants are directionless at best.
I keep reading that Shurmur should and will get another seaon. That may be true, but let me ask some of you this question, what point and purpose are served in giving him more time? How many of you jumped for joy when Shurmur was hired? We know what Pat Shurmur is in this league, he’s not getting better.
We can speak of organizational stability all we want, but that only rings true when the organization is consistently placing a worthwhile product on the field. I’d applaud ownership this offseason if they finally conducted an honest evaluation and said, you know what...we screwed up last offseason we made the wrong GM hire, wrong coaching hire, and badly misread the state of this franchise, let’s start over. Will that happen, of course not. But until we get to that point, we’re going to see more of the same. Oh well, I guess there’s always next year?
In comment 14191203 Hsilwek92 said:
Quote: You’re not taking into fact the embarrassment of firing a head coach two years in a row. It may be easy for us as fans to say, “Fire him.”
But the PR hit in reality would be awful. What coach and possible coaching staff would want to come to the Giants knowing the volatility that’s been going on for the past three years?
If the Giants fire Shurmur after this season, they’d better have a succession plan that’s been thought out and rock solid. ////////////////
Part of the Giants problem is they're too worried about reaction. Reaction of the fans, reaction of the media - and in some cases, reaction of the players.
They need to start making decisions based on what gives them the best chance towards winning, short and long term. If that means firing Shurmur because he's never going to be more than a below average coach, then so be it, PR flak be damned.
jcn, the problem is that the current generation of Maras, and past, are not football men, they don't have the instincts of the Rooneys, e.g. It took Rozelle to foist George Young on this franchise, leading to Parcells and his staff, including TC, without which, the heritage in the last two generations would be almost barren. Someone outside the NYGiants KOLs (a contradiction in terms) needs to be making decisions.
In comment 14191203 Hsilwek92 said:
Quote: You’re not taking into fact the embarrassment of firing a head coach two years in a row. It may be easy for us as fans to say, “Fire him.”
But the PR hit in reality would be awful. What coach and possible coaching staff would want to come to the Giants knowing the volatility that’s been going on for the past three years?
If the Giants fire Shurmur after this season, they’d better have a succession plan that’s been thought out and rock solid. ////////////////
Part of the Giants problem is they're too worried about reaction. Reaction of the fans, reaction of the media - and in some cases, reaction of the players.
They need to start making decisions based on what gives them the best chance towards winning, short and long term. If that means firing Shurmur because he's never going to be more than a below average coach, then so be it, PR flak be damned.
jcn, the problem is that the current generation of Maras, and past, are not football men, they don't have the instincts of the Rooneys, e.g. It took Rozelle to foist George Young on this franchise, leading to Parcells and his staff, including TC, without which, the heritage in the last two generations would be almost barren. Someone outside the NYGiants KOLs (a contradiction in terms) needs to be making decisions.
What's Chris Mara's title again?
I can only imagine as the Giants were looking at their halftime Â
adjustments, someone in the coaching staff must have said "keep feeding the ball to Saquon, they can't stop him"
And Shurmur came up with this beauty
In looking at the Giants evaluation for next year, we had said the players were the biggest ones to review and see who to come back. And I don't think the Giants will pull the plug on Shurmur after one year. But the Giants have a big problem because he's lost the fans. And while fans are fickle, it's also tough to rebuild trust and things can turn south in this town fast. Shurmur more and more looks like a retread head coach who is best as a coordinator. The problem is that I'm sure Mara and Gettleman have decided that this year is out because the team will need at least 2 years to fix the Reese mess and won't pin it all on Shurmur. But Shurmur might find himself where Parcells was after the 1983 season. The team was bad and it wasn't his fault, but he only had 1984 to make it better and Parcells changed his style. I don't know if Shurmur has that in him.
In comment 14191203 Hsilwek92 said:
Quote: You’re not taking into fact the embarrassment of firing a head coach two years in a row. It may be easy for us as fans to say, “Fire him.”
But the PR hit in reality would be awful. What coach and possible coaching staff would want to come to the Giants knowing the volatility that’s been going on for the past three years?
If the Giants fire Shurmur after this season, they’d better have a succession plan that’s been thought out and rock solid. ////////////////
Part of the Giants problem is they're too worried about reaction. Reaction of the fans, reaction of the media - and in some cases, reaction of the players.
They need to start making decisions based on what gives them the best chance towards winning, short and long term. If that means firing Shurmur because he's never going to be more than a below average coach, then so be it, PR flak be damned.
jcn, the problem is that the current generation of Maras, and past, are not football men, they don't have the instincts of the Rooneys, e.g. It took Rozelle to foist George Young on this franchise, leading to Parcells and his staff, including TC, without which, the heritage in the last two generations would be almost barren. Someone outside the NYGiants KOLs (a contradiction in terms) needs to be making decisions.
What's Chris Mara's title again?
Assistant to the assistant to the assistant head stooge.
Me too. I've been giving him a pass because the team has been playing hard, and that's a good reflection on him but he's not doing enough to make them better.
In fact today, I'd say he made them worse, and hurt them a number of times. This team has a hard enough time overcoming their own mistakes, let alone ones by their coach.
I couldn’t disagree more with most of you people Â
Yeah, everyone made mistakes. Costly penalties, especially on the o line, a dumb time out (insignificant at the time), some mental errors...yeah Shurmer, for whatever (real) reason made a mistake in moving away from Barkley. And, he made some strange calls. And yeah Eli made a couple mistakes, big mistakes. But it happens in almost every game and there was way more good Eli than bad.
Essentially Eli didn’t cost us the game with one freaking into and a missed conversion. Which is essentially what most of you are saying. In fact, he was overall positive. Shurmer, maybe takes a bunch of blame too. But, the vast majority of the blame, and by a huge margin, goes to the defense. They were gashed on all fronts and every single time they needed to come up big, they came up small. Except the one time Pedersen had the brain fart (see, it happens to everyone) and had Wentz try to run for a first down.
This loss was on the defense. Don’t let your prejudice bias you.
Yeah, everyone made mistakes. Costly penalties, especially on the o line, a dumb time out (insignificant at the time), some mental errors...yeah Shurmer, for whatever (real) reason made a mistake in moving away from Barkley. And, he made some strange calls. And yeah Eli made a couple mistakes, big mistakes. But it happens in almost every game and there was way more good Eli than bad.
Essentially Eli didn’t cost us the game with one freaking into and a missed conversion. Which is essentially what most of you are saying. In fact, he was overall positive. Shurmer, maybe takes a bunch of blame too. But, the vast majority of the blame, and by a huge margin, goes to the defense. They were gashed on all fronts and every single time they needed to come up big, they came up small. Except the one time Pedersen had the brain fart (see, it happens to everyone) and had Wentz try to run for a first down.
This loss was on the defense. Don’t let your prejudice bias you.
Hanging the loss on the defense is like giving a free pass to half the team. It's not "on" the defense when your offense ceases to function for half a game. That's very clear.
Basically, Bill, you just laid out every reason why Shurmer Â
is to blame...and then go on to say we shouldn't blame him? Timeouts are always insignificant when you take them, but the problem is when you have none at the end of the game.
is that the Eagles really didn't do anything different in the second half and they took off. On the other hand, the Giants played differently and blew the game.
RE: I couldn’t disagree more with most of you people Â
Yeah, everyone made mistakes. Costly penalties, especially on the o line, a dumb time out (insignificant at the time), some mental errors...yeah Shurmer, for whatever (real) reason made a mistake in moving away from Barkley. And, he made some strange calls. And yeah Eli made a couple mistakes, big mistakes. But it happens in almost every game and there was way more good Eli than bad.
Essentially Eli didn’t cost us the game with one freaking into and a missed conversion. Which is essentially what most of you are saying. In fact, he was overall positive. Shurmer, maybe takes a bunch of blame too. But, the vast majority of the blame, and by a huge margin, goes to the defense. They were gashed on all fronts and every single time they needed to come up big, they came up small. Except the one time Pedersen had the brain fart (see, it happens to everyone) and had Wentz try to run for a first down.
This loss was on the defense. Don’t let your prejudice bias you.
Yeah, the defense sucks as does the rest of the team. Jettisoning Eli will solve everything according to some.
They held the Eagles to 11 points in the first half, and then to 14 in the second half when they were on the field constantly because the offense went into hibernation.
The Eagles secondary was decimated and the Giants offense managed 3 points on them in the second half. This is loss is squarely on the offense and the coach.
that the Giants should have drafted a QB number 1 in this draft. An elite running back is a luxury item for a team that is already solid on its offensive and defensive lines and at quarterback.
With an elite running back are you guaranteed even that you will make 90 percent of your 3rd and 2 and 4th and 2 situations? Nope. If your line doesn't get the push forward or if the other teams D-Line guesses where the point of attack will be you're as likely to lose 2 yards.
Go check out Detroit and Barry Sanders. So the Giants have the best running back and they are 3-8. Next priority is still quarterback. They will cost at the very least this year's first round, and it could get much much worse.
And they dispose of three defensive players better than anyone they had to replace them with. Do they think that you get double digit sack guys with fifth round draft picks? Playing on the same line as JPP also makes Vernon productive. You can look it up. See 2016 sack records.
was not the only problem but he was not good or even close to good today. he missed throws and made no plays other than easy throws to his first read which were open all day against a pathetic defense. that’s probably only a slight exaggeration. and beyond the five points he clearly botched he made nothing happen in second half and took bad sacks. so he probably left more than the five mentioned on the field.
Unreal that some of you cannot see he costs this team games. blaming it on the defense? Rich.
RE: I couldn’t disagree more with most of you people Â
Yeah, everyone made mistakes. Costly penalties, especially on the o line, a dumb time out (insignificant at the time), some mental errors...yeah Shurmer, for whatever (real) reason made a mistake in moving away from Barkley. And, he made some strange calls. And yeah Eli made a couple mistakes, big mistakes. But it happens in almost every game and there was way more good Eli than bad.
Essentially Eli didn’t cost us the game with one freaking into and a missed conversion. Which is essentially what most of you are saying. In fact, he was overall positive. Shurmer, maybe takes a bunch of blame too. But, the vast majority of the blame, and by a huge margin, goes to the defense. They were gashed on all fronts and every single time they needed to come up big, they came up small. Except the one time Pedersen had the brain fart (see, it happens to everyone) and had Wentz try to run for a first down.
This loss was on the defense. Don’t let your prejudice bias you.
Wow, you need to re-read your last line and take your own advice. The Eagles were seriously compromised due to injury on the defensive side of the ball, and the Giants offense did absolutely diddly squat in the second half (after wrapping up the first half with a terrible turnover that basically took 3 points off the board).
Every loss is a team loss, but this one is way more on the offense than the defense. They played half a game.
the biggest concern is that Shurmur doesn’t seem like the right guy for a rebuilding team. Gettleman hasn’t inspired confidence either to be honest.
I really hated the way Gettleman was hired as I would have preferred someone new to the organization. It’s hard to throw too much blame at him right now though.
While I wasn’t in favor of drafting Barkley over a QB, he has been excellent as expected. However, in a terrible season I might feel better if we had a QB waiting in the wings to change things up.
For arguments sake say we take a QB in the first this year. How long will it take for said QB to be able to lead this team and have us be truly competitive? And with that how long can Barkley carry the load and be what he is currently? Could be a stupid concern, and Saquon is truly as good as it gets for a rookie or even a seasoned veteran. My long winded question is how long until we can be a good playoff team? Seems to me we will have a coaching change in the next year or two, barring a miracle. And what will Barkley and Beckham look like at that point?
Yeah, everyone made mistakes. Costly penalties, especially on the o line, a dumb time out (insignificant at the time), some mental errors...yeah Shurmer, for whatever (real) reason made a mistake in moving away from Barkley. And, he made some strange calls. And yeah Eli made a couple mistakes, big mistakes. But it happens in almost every game and there was way more good Eli than bad.
Essentially Eli didn’t cost us the game with one freaking into and a missed conversion. Which is essentially what most of you are saying. In fact, he was overall positive. Shurmer, maybe takes a bunch of blame too. But, the vast majority of the blame, and by a huge margin, goes to the defense. They were gashed on all fronts and every single time they needed to come up big, they came up small. Except the one time Pedersen had the brain fart (see, it happens to everyone) and had Wentz try to run for a first down.
This loss was on the defense. Don’t let your prejudice bias you.
Wow, you need to re-read your last line and take your own advice. The Eagles were seriously compromised due to injury on the defensive side of the ball, and the Giants offense did absolutely diddly squat in the second half (after wrapping up the first half with a terrible turnover that basically took 3 points off the board).
Every loss is a team loss, but this one is way more on the offense than the defense. They played half a game.
Not just in the draft, but in FA. They added Ogletree but traded away JPP.
Meanwhile - the offense retained OBJ and had the 1st and 2nd round picks (very high picks at that) added.
The O should be performing better than it is. The Eagles D was particularly vulnerable, with their entire secondary injured.
The D shouldn't walk away blameless, but if you're looking at yesterday and don't see the O as the main reason they lost, I'd suggest you look again. They literally played half a game, while also hanging the defense out to dry.
The worst player to actually play for the Giants was Unai Unga. That guy had no business being on an NFL roster and, in fact, the Giants were his only professional team as he's now a college assistant coach.
have performed better. At least int he second half. That's probably more on Barkley than anyone. However, the defense should be able to get a stop. And, especially, there should be no way someone can walk into the end zone a 2-pt conversion, when every other play in the scoring drive was a run and everyone knew that they would continue with a run. And, we did have a tie on the penultimate drive and all that was needed was on stop on third and long to keep it that way. That's a momentous failure.
The worst player to actually play for the Giants was Unai Unga. That guy had no business being on an NFL roster and, in fact, the Giants were his only professional team as he's now a college assistant coach.
There is a lot of former Giants that got to be here on a 3-4 year scholarship due to being a draftee or coach favorite that couldnt catch onto another organization again in the NFL
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If Shurmur isn't brought back, it will be because of this game.
Please stop posting. Please quit BBI. Seriously, go fuck off. You're a terrible poster.
Fuck it
Fuck it
Any way you can get it done.
Spielman
Let the fun begin!
Giants played into their hands. Offense stopped using Barkley and stopped being aggressive. They went to receivers named Russel Shepard and Coleman. Shurmur needs to be taken behind the woodshed! This season’s over at 3-8. Might as well give Lauletta a shot now!
And then what? You expect this team to forfeit every game from hereon out?
2. Saquon Barkley getting 4 touches in the 2nd half when the Giants led or were down only a FG the entire time
3. The timeout on 3rd and 18 (that's either him or Eli). The possession is pretty much lost anyway barring a terrific play or a defensive penalty, so there's no need to call a timeout.
4. The timeout just before the 2 minute warning on 4th and 1. Either make the Eagles call the timeout or just roll with the situation and if you have to, call the two timeouts after the 2 minute warning
I will not watch another second of this team this year. Why? Badly coached. They traded away two starters. Management gave up. So the fans should watch a shifty product? Shurmur is as inept as
McAdoo. He's just not as big of an idiot when interviewed
Never Mind the officiating.
They don't care I can't anymore. It's not an enjoyable product. They didn't lose to better team. Again the Mara's chose wrong.
Shurmur's lack of understanding of clock management is almost impressive.
Giants MUST work Lauletta into more snaps and get him on the field the last 4 games.
It's time to build around Saquon and see how necessary it is to look to trade up for a QB next year. The Giants are not going to get better trying to piece it along with Eli anymore. This ship has long since sailed.
Shurmur is a terrible head coach. Might be a decent co-ordinator but play calling and game management looks to be be beyond him
Bettcher is coaching scared, presumably due to the utter lack of talent on the Defense. His success has been when he's attacked but it looks like he's shit scared of the utter void at safety.
Really inexcuseable
As for Shurmur, he needs to be fired. He's in over his head. That second timeout was so egregiously bad I didn't realize we had called it until after the two-minute warning. He's an imbecile.
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They are a bad football team and this is what bad football teams do. OBJ and Barkley are great but the rest of the team is really really bad
Eli was terrible today.
Eli's inability to see or hit a wide open receiver in the end zone on the two point conversion was a bigger problem than the decision to go for it. I had no issue with it at all.
2. Saquon Barkley getting 4 touches in the 2nd half when the Giants led or were down only a FG the entire time
3. The timeout on 3rd and 18 (that's either him or Eli). The possession is pretty much lost anyway barring a terrific play or a defensive penalty, so there's no need to call a timeout.
4. The timeout just before the 2 minute warning on 4th and 1. Either make the Eagles call the timeout or just roll with the situation and if you have to, call the two timeouts after the 2 minute warning
Going for two from the one is statistically the right call. There was a receiver wide open but the ball when to the guy covered literally 5 yards infront of him.
The timeouts though, dearie me.
The thing I always notice about the Patriots is they ALWAYS have all 3 timeouts late in the game. Burning timeouts in the first half is one thing, but in the 2nd half those timeouts need to be hung onto for dear life. It’s often the difference between winning and losing, and in this game that did turn out to be the case. Is it a requirement to be awful at clock management in order to be a Giants HC?
Idiots show more sense. But at least he got Wayne Gallman some
Carries
Terrible playcalls and clock management. Eli’s decision making cost five points which would have made the difference today.
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Beckham, Barkley and Shepard were all mugged on critical plays and not a single call.
Well, the Eagles are going no where this year. The Saints or Rams will push their shit in so badly that I almost hope they make the playoffs just to see that happen.
Shurmur's lack of understanding of clock management is almost impressive.
Giants MUST work Lauletta into more snaps and get him on the field the last 4 games.
It's time to build around Saquon and see how necessary it is to look to trade up for a QB next year. The Giants are not going to get better trying to piece it along with Eli anymore. This ship has long since sailed.
Giving Shurmur another year would be a complete waste of time.
Easy.
Eli called a moron timeout on 3rd & 18.
Shurmur called a moron timeout on 4th and 1.
That's how you end up with 1 timeout late.
Yes and why the fuck is he going for 2 on the first TD? We left 4 points on the field in the first half. Barkley with only 5 touches in 2nd half is bad.
Beckham, Barkley and Shepard were all mugged on critical plays and not a single call.
Always seems to be an excuse with this team.
leaves Barkley on the bench .
The two point try after you first id in the first quarter
Over think things much ? Get a TD followed by a negative play
Not playing for a FG and launching a hail mary instead of
getting into FG range ?
Barkley gets 4 Touches until the final play of the game is
laughable .WE have ZERO playmakers on the Defensive line .
Just another disgusting loss to the hated Eagles who
had good old Walt Coleman with the hanky fest had to pick one up that went our way .
I hope they replace him the guy is a career loser .
Time to get Lauletta in the mini streak is over .
Misses Ellison for 2 pts.
Throws an INT inside field goal range at end of the half with two men open and one is Barkley. A score there is a dagger in the Eagles, even if only 3 pts.
Calls time out on 3rd and 18.
Has a delay of game penalty on a 3rd and 2 yds.
Takes a sack with two people open on 1st drive of 2nd half (IIRC)
Throws another deep pass to a double covered Beckham at the end of the 3rd quarter to waste a 1st down.
But unless Barkley is hurt, Shurmur needs to go. Why is Gallman in the game for the majority of the 2nd half?
...really looks like.
Believe it.
They snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Current Head Coach cannot lead this team in 2019.
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1. Going for 2 after the first TD drive. Completely unnecessary
Eli's inability to see or hit a wide open receiver in the end zone on the two point conversion was a bigger problem than the decision to go for it. I had no issue with it at all.
Points on the road are huge. Kick the extra point.
Going for two from the one is statistically the right call. There was a receiver wide open but the ball when to the guy covered literally 5 yards infront of him.
The timeouts though, dearie me.
That one call led to the Eagles going for 2 and getting it twice in addition to the Giants not getting the conversion. You can say statistically it was the right call but it was his call and it backfired. He is responsible
It's the right call statistically you're more likely to score from the 1 than you are with the field goal xp from 28 yards. The numbers suggest it's basically automatic. It's like 93% for the field goal vs 96% from the one.
And we had a guy wide open in the QB's line of sight, the ball just didn't go there.
BTW, I don't see how Shurmer gets blamed for this loss. Is he supposed to run Barkley on every play ? Do we win if he doesn't call that time out ?
time after time PI holding no calls ..fuck Philly there
not going anywhere anyways .
Points on the road are huge. Kick the extra point.
The ball is on the 1 yard line. The coach can't do everything for the team. Eli has to see, throw to, and hit an OPEN receiver as opposed to jamming the ball into a guy who has someone on his back.
Shurmur's lack of understanding of clock management is almost impressive.
Giants MUST work Lauletta into more snaps and get him on the field the last 4 games.
It's time to build around Saquon and see how necessary it is to look to trade up for a QB next year. The Giants are not going to get better trying to piece it along with Eli anymore. This ship has long since sailed.
Clock management is s huge problem. When they let time slip off the clock at the end of the first half is partly the reason Eli felt the need to go the endZone on the pick. If he has more time he has more plays to work with, instead he forced a ball, should have at least got 3 points there.
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Points on the road are huge. Kick the extra point.
The ball is on the 1 yard line. The coach can't do everything for the team. Eli has to see, throw to, and hit an OPEN receiver as opposed to jamming the ball into a guy who has someone on his back.
Yes that's true. But why are we surprised at this point that Eli misses an open receiver? He's been doing it a lot. We know what he is at this point.
Kick the ball, take the points, remove the decision from Eli's hands.
Obviously Shurmur has more faith in Eli than any of us do.
This. A blatant leg whip with Coleman looking right at it.
It's not getting better folks, the Giants are still mostly the same org with the same approach that hasn't worked for awhile now.
How in the world does Eli make that throw at the end of the first half? It’s totally inexcusable. What a horrible game by Eli. Just horrible.
Here's your draft:
Trade down and up to get 7-10 picks between top of second and end of fourth.
Defensive playmakers at all positions, especially linebackers and safety but not excluding DT.
A great center and a beast tight end that run blocks Luke a train and runs and catches.
That's all.
But, today, got away from the run too quick.
You people are clueless. Rarely do teams fire a coach after the first season. Never would the Giants do it. You claim to be fans of the team yet you do not truly know the organization that you root for. Tells me that you dont know what you are seeing on the field either.
And run stoppers.
And cover corners.
And safeties.
And linebackers.
Dominate the first half, but make: 1) a pointless 2 point attempt call for no reason, and then: 2) have Eli force a ball to a FB when a TE is WIDE OPEN for the 2 points.
Then to close the half, super vet multi-million dollar 2 time MVP throws yet another idiotic INT, when Barkley who is killing them is alone at the 25.
Now the 2nd half starts. The Eagles (gasp) make some adjustments.
We dookie our trousers. Eli goes fetal again at any whiff of pressure. OL suddenly getting handled. And of course, our vet QB doesn't know situational football as well as a former LB calling the game as he wastes a timeout on 3rd and 18 early third quarter to then throw a -3 yard pass. Perfect.
Shurmur ignores the fact that he has No 2 overall pick Saquon Barkley, who was destroying them in the 1st half. Not only are we giving Gallman entire series, but when 26 is in there we're not going to him. FFS, why? This is inexplicable. Shurmur should be fired for that alone.
Then we have great forced throws by 2 time SB MVP into traffic to guys not open, when Barkely is running alone in the flat which worked all first half.
Don't forget, this is a depleted Eagles D, that is almost entirely in zone, and we can't figure out how to beat it with Sheppard, OBJ, Ellison, and Barkley? We'll have to assume Engram was hurt, but if not, ...
Then we can't forget the D. The fantastic D that forced what, zero turnovers? That in the 3rd quarter gets shoved around like little bitches. That gets no pressure from the front 4. Thanks 54! Money well spent. That can't cover a TE. That - as predictable as the tide - after we tie it up lets the Eagles chew clock and get the go ahead FG with 22 seconds left.
But Shermie wasn't done, no we have to waste timeouts to ensure on 4th and 1 we have the right D to give up a 10 yard pass to a guy with no one within 5 yards of him in any direction.
But at least we ended the game with 22 seconds of check downs. Nice!
They were terrible for both teams. They missed three defensive fouls on 3rd down misses, two that would've given us a 1st and goal at the 1. They missed a trip at the end of the game that would've given one untimed down for a 61 yard attempt.
I said in the 1st quarter that this crew would impact the outcome of the game (not decide it) - and they most certainly did.
Blame the coaches for the halftime adjustments as opposed to making a logical call that didn’t work out in the first.
When the other team takes your #1 player out of the game, your other players need to step up. When those players are named Ellison, Simonsen, Shepard (x2), and Fowler you are all surprised that the offense struggled?
Tale as old as time itself.
When the other team takes your #1 player out of the game, your other players need to step up. When those players are named Ellison, Simonsen, Shepard (x2), and Fowler you are all surprised that the offense struggled?
Shurmur took Barkley out of the game for most of the 3rd quarter, not the Eagles
He went for 2 because this is a bad team and they need to take chances.
Eli threw up that Int because this is a bad team and they need to take chances.
People who were talking playoffs of a 3-7 team were fooling themselves.
This is a shitty team with a couple super stars on O that can make it interesting and shit everywhere else.
Welcome to the 2018 Giants.
Enjoy Mannings twighligh, enjoy OBJ, enjoy the rookie of the year, ignore the score and just enjoy football
Oh, well... at least we kept up our Draft position for 2019.
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against us. We’ve now lost 5 in a row to them
What the fuck are you talking about? We beat them last year.
Sorry. The loss is making me harsh. Apologies.
But above all, why did we take Barkely out of the game FOR them? Make them defend him and prove they can. He was still open in space on the swing passes and Eli was forcing it down field.
Sorry. The loss is making me harsh. Apologies.
And since 2013 a win in philly
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against us. We’ve now lost 5 in a row to them
What the fuck are you talking about? We beat them last year.
They lost both games
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When the other team takes your #1 player out of the game, your other players need to step up. When those players are named Ellison, Simonsen, Shepard (x2), and Fowler you are all surprised that the offense struggled?
The Giants are under-talented on both sides of the ball, but when Barkley gets 4 touches in a half that's not a Schwartz thing.
Statistically, perhaps the charts say if you're on the 1 go for it. But let's think about that a bit.
First, it assumes you have an average team, we don't. Second, if you're going to go based on being at the 1, you run. As soon as you decide to pass, now it doesn't matter if you're at the 1 or 2 or 3 or 5. The QB is going to be passing from the 4-7 yard line or so. Passing from the 1 isn't any better than passing from the 2. The ONLY thing you do is perhaps make the play action a bit more of a threat.
Third, most of the logic that's been developed since the 2 pt conversion came to the NFL says don't go for it until the 4th quarter when you need it. Otherwise, you can end up chasing points. You just don't know how the game is going to develop. The 1 point is like 99% likely, and the 2 is substantially less likely. Especially when you suck, which we do.
We took a very nice confidence building drive, and capped it with a downer by missing the 2 pt. conversion.
Hes not part of the solution.
The second half really felt like they came out of the locker room afraid they might win.
Refs were bad on both sides but really started letting them play near the end of the game and it hurt the Giants more IMO.
Clear leg whip/tripping at the end of the game? I immediately thought so.
Finally.....bad coaching to not utilize Barkley more in the 2nd half - he wasn't even on the field - and Eli's before the half INT was brutal....take the 3 after they just scored a TD......and Shumur's use of TO's - although I haven't done the math - seemed completely misused.
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Eli makes the same mistakes as a rookie does over and over again, it's unreal.
Shurmur's lack of understanding of clock management is almost impressive.
Giants MUST work Lauletta into more snaps and get him on the field the last 4 games.
It's time to build around Saquon and see how necessary it is to look to trade up for a QB next year. The Giants are not going to get better trying to piece it along with Eli anymore. This ship has long since sailed.
Giving Shurmur another year would be a complete waste of time.
You’re not taking into fact the embarrassment of firing a head coach two years in a row. It may be easy for us as fans to say, “Fire him.”
But the PR hit in reality would be awful. What coach and possible coaching staff would want to come to the Giants knowing the volatility that’s been going on for the past three years?
If the Giants fire Shurmur after this season, they’d better have a succession plan that’s been thought out and rock solid.
Sorry. The loss is making me harsh. Apologies.
FMiC apologizing? Please sticky this!
This guy is not an NFL HC!
You people are clueless. Rarely do teams fire a coach after the first season. Never would the Giants do it. You claim to be fans of the team yet you do not truly know the organization that you root for. Tells me that you dont know what you are seeing on the field either.
Everybody knows ownership won't fire Shurmur, partly because they're spineless. It doesn't mean we can't demand it.
So it's all about ego and not winning? This organization is in good hands.
Sure OV’s name was called he got another RTP penalty!
Misses Ellison for 2 pts.
Throws an INT inside field goal range at end of the half with two men open and one is Barkley. A score there is a dagger in the Eagles, even if only 3 pts.
Calls time out on 3rd and 18.
Has a delay of game penalty on a 3rd and 2 yds.
Takes a sack with two people open on 1st drive of 2nd half (IIRC)
Throws another deep pass to a double covered Beckham at the end of the 3rd quarter to waste a 1st down.
But unless Barkley is hurt, Shurmur needs to go. Why is Gallman in the game for the majority of the 2nd half?
Shurmur and Eli were clueless for about 2.5 quarters. Eli doesn't have to take some of those 2nd half sacks...throw the ball away or better yet, give it the TE standing right at the LOS.
This game was really lost at the end of the first half when the team just didn't know what they were doing on that last drive, and Eli forced a silly pass for no reason. Opened the door for the 2nd half comeback...
And man does Ogletree suck...
Yes it was.....would have been a first, or close, after a first and 15.
Non call on Sheppard helped stall another drive.
Non call on OBJ might have prevented a go ahead TD instead of tying FG.
Like I said, refs were controlling the game and then simply let it go..........
You people are clueless. Rarely do teams fire a coach after the first season. Never would the Giants do it. You claim to be fans of the team yet you do not truly know the organization that you root for. Tells me that you dont know what you are seeing on the field either.
You’re right that they won’t fire Shurmur after one season. But I’m not feeling good about him as a coach after watching him abandon everything that worked for him in the first half today. I don’t like the idea of changing coaches again but you can’t blame anyone for not having a lot of confidence in him after the game plans and some of the decisions he’s made so far.
Not sure what the makeup of the team will be - particularly QB - but if they start 1-3/0-4 he'll be fired.
I'm just wondering what the backup plan will be.........
2) Now that dream is shattered. There is no reason for Lauletta not to start the rest of the season. In the best case scenario, they see enough to think they can win with him, given the other players on offense. The worst case scenario is they realize they need to spend their top 10 pick on a QB.
3) This game was lost in the 3rd quarter. But the failed 2 point conversion (stupid decision to even go for it), the INT before the break, and the second half ignoring of Barkley certainly contributed.
4) It also didn't help that the officials missed PI on both the INT and the failed TD attempt to OBJ in thr 4th.
5) I don't know what to think about Shurmer going forward. But, based on the entire season, plus his resume, I wouldn't be upset if he was fired.
You people are clueless. Rarely do teams fire a coach after the first season. Never would the Giants do it. You claim to be fans of the team yet you do not truly know the organization that you root for. Tells me that you dont know what you are seeing on the field either.
The only thing that gives me hope is that Gettleman admits his mistakes and tries to fix them. Lots of people would have thought he'd never cut Flowers and especially not Omameh.
You people are clueless. Rarely do teams fire a coach after the first season. Never would the Giants do it. You claim to be fans of the team yet you do not truly know the organization that you root for. Tells me that you dont know what you are seeing on the field either.
That they won't fire him is one thing. They probably should. He's not a rookie coach. He looks very much like a retread hire, and a career coordinator.
And obviously people are venting frustration. That's not hard to see either for anyone that's been posting here for a while.
I vote Rocky Thompson!
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I vote Rocky Thompson!
Disagree with both of you - at least in both cases, they needed someone else to make them look bad. Ian Allen pancaked himself all by his lonesome.
Bad bad CC Brown
Baddest DB in the whole dang town
Worse than Jeremy Lincoln
Don't know what Reese was thinking
But the PR hit in reality would be awful. What coach and possible coaching staff would want to come to the Giants knowing the volatility that’s been going on for the past three years?
If the Giants fire Shurmur after this season, they’d better have a succession plan that’s been thought out and rock solid.
Part of the Giants problem is they're too worried about reaction. Reaction of the fans, reaction of the media - and in some cases, reaction of the players.
They need to start making decisions based on what gives them the best chance towards winning, short and long term. If that means firing Shurmur because he's never going to be more than a below average coach, then so be it, PR flak be damned.
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I vote Rocky Thompson!
Tomlinson was much better in a 4-3 lined up next to Snacks. I’m not so sure he’s that good in a 3-4. Changing the Defensive scheme this year created so many issues on that side of the ball, questionable personnel for a 3-4, miscommunications, etc.
Oh well, at least Eli Apple is playing well in New Orleans and Snacks is plugging holes in Detroit.
As for Gettleman, at least he tries to fill gaps....he apparently is not good at evaluating talent or he has bad advisers.
But honestly, let's say Curtis Riley is top 5 worst. I keep reading Sy's game reviews to find the redeeming qualities.. never is one.
Did you see that angle he took on the touchdown run in the 1st quarter that was called back on a penalty. The chicken arm tackle when the Eagles scored going into the half? It's EVERY WEEK! Surely he's not here in 2019.. isn't there anyone else on the planet that is worth giving a chance to?
This X2
Wonder how hard he goes after Shurmer in the 5pm interview?
I feel exactly the same way. A very sickening game to watch. Just miserable being a Giants fan these days.
Where did you get that? Not reported by anyone I've seen.
Sorry. The loss is making me harsh. Apologies.
Apology accepted!
Spider was a Giant from 1965 to 1975. During that period the Giants never made postseason and had winning records only twice.
1970: 9-5
1972: 8-6
He never started less than 12 of the 14 game season except for one year when he played in 11 games.
He averaged four interceptions a year.
I think he was chosen to the Pro Bowl twice.
Had Spider not spent his whole career on a terrible defense of a rotten team, he would still be remembered today.
We can blame officials and unlucky breaks, but when these things happen consistently, it’s called a bad organization. To give some a little perspective, the Giants are 6-21 over the past two seasons. The Browns are 4-22-1. One less loss than the gold standard for bad in this league. Difference is, the browns arrow is very much pointing up after an honest offseason evaluation, while the Giants are directionless at best.
I keep reading that Shurmur should and will get another seaon. That may be true, but let me ask some of you this question, what point and purpose are served in giving him more time? How many of you jumped for joy when Shurmur was hired? We know what Pat Shurmur is in this league, he’s not getting better.
We can speak of organizational stability all we want, but that only rings true when the organization is consistently placing a worthwhile product on the field. I’d applaud ownership this offseason if they finally conducted an honest evaluation and said, you know what...we screwed up last offseason we made the wrong GM hire, wrong coaching hire, and badly misread the state of this franchise, let’s start over. Will that happen, of course not. But until we get to that point, we’re going to see more of the same. Oh well, I guess there’s always next year?
We can blame officials and unlucky breaks, but when these things happen consistently, it’s called a bad organization. To give some a little perspective, the Giants are 6-21 over the past two seasons. The Browns are 4-22-1. One less loss than the gold standard for bad in this league. Difference is, the browns arrow is very much pointing up after an honest offseason evaluation, while the Giants are directionless at best.
I keep reading that Shurmur should and will get another seaon. That may be true, but let me ask some of you this question, what point and purpose are served in giving him more time? How many of you jumped for joy when Shurmur was hired? We know what Pat Shurmur is in this league, he’s not getting better.
We can speak of organizational stability all we want, but that only rings true when the organization is consistently placing a worthwhile product on the field. I’d applaud ownership this offseason if they finally conducted an honest evaluation and said, you know what...we screwed up last offseason we made the wrong GM hire, wrong coaching hire, and badly misread the state of this franchise, let’s start over. Will that happen, of course not. But until we get to that point, we’re going to see more of the same. Oh well, I guess there’s always next year?
That would only help if they also remove themselves (looking at Chris Mara) from personnel decisions. I'd support a complete gutting of the entire football organization down to the scouts, the secretaries, and the janitors.
Hes not part of the solution.
I think you’re grading on a curve....F
We can blame officials and unlucky breaks, but when these things happen consistently, it’s called a bad organization. To give some a little perspective, the Giants are 6-21 over the past two seasons. The Browns are 4-22-1. One less loss than the gold standard for bad in this league. Difference is, the browns arrow is very much pointing up after an honest offseason evaluation, while the Giants are directionless at best.
I keep reading that Shurmur should and will get another seaon. That may be true, but let me ask some of you this question, what point and purpose are served in giving him more time? How many of you jumped for joy when Shurmur was hired? We know what Pat Shurmur is in this league, he’s not getting better.
We can speak of organizational stability all we want, but that only rings true when the organization is consistently placing a worthwhile product on the field. I’d applaud ownership this offseason if they finally conducted an honest evaluation and said, you know what...we screwed up last offseason we made the wrong GM hire, wrong coaching hire, and badly misread the state of this franchise, let’s start over. Will that happen, of course not. But until we get to that point, we’re going to see more of the same. Oh well, I guess there’s always next year?
Next year? Assuming we pass on a QB this spring, I’d hope we blow the cock again to better position ourselves for Tua or Fromm. Here’s what we’re looking at:
Home
Washington Redskins
Green Bay Packers
Minnesota Vikings
Buffalo Bills
Miami Dolphins
NFC West* (SF, most likely)
Dallas Cowboys
Philadelphia Eagles
Away
Washington Redskins
Philadelphia Eagles
NFC South* (Tampa, I would think)
New York Jets
New England Patriots
Detroit Lions
Dallas Cowboys
Chicago Bears
Looks like 3-5 wins in my opinion right now.
I heard the interview, I don’t blame him, they kept asking him the question.
Played some good teams this year very tough - today's game, Panthers, Saints. On to next game.
We can blame officials and unlucky breaks, but when these things happen consistently, it’s called a bad organization. To give some a little perspective, the Giants are 6-21 over the past two seasons. The Browns are 4-22-1. One less loss than the gold standard for bad in this league. Difference is, the browns arrow is very much pointing up after an honest offseason evaluation, while the Giants are directionless at best.
I keep reading that Shurmur should and will get another seaon. That may be true, but let me ask some of you this question, what point and purpose are served in giving him more time? How many of you jumped for joy when Shurmur was hired? We know what Pat Shurmur is in this league, he’s not getting better.
We can speak of organizational stability all we want, but that only rings true when the organization is consistently placing a worthwhile product on the field. I’d applaud ownership this offseason if they finally conducted an honest evaluation and said, you know what...we screwed up last offseason we made the wrong GM hire, wrong coaching hire, and badly misread the state of this franchise, let’s start over. Will that happen, of course not. But until we get to that point, we’re going to see more of the same. Oh well, I guess there’s always next year?
He would have never taken that shot if our clueless head coach wasn’t he’ll bent on going into halftime with his timeouts in his pocket.
WTF?
We can blame officials and unlucky breaks, but when these things happen consistently, it’s called a bad organization. To give some a little perspective, the Giants are 6-21 over the past two seasons. The Browns are 4-22-1. One less loss than the gold standard for bad in this league. Difference is, the browns arrow is very much pointing up after an honest offseason evaluation, while the Giants are directionless at best.
I keep reading that Shurmur should and will get another seaon. That may be true, but let me ask some of you this question, what point and purpose are served in giving him more time? How many of you jumped for joy when Shurmur was hired? We know what Pat Shurmur is in this league, he’s not getting better.
We can speak of organizational stability all we want, but that only rings true when the organization is consistently placing a worthwhile product on the field. I’d applaud ownership this offseason if they finally conducted an honest evaluation and said, you know what...we screwed up last offseason we made the wrong GM hire, wrong coaching hire, and badly misread the state of this franchise, let’s start over. Will that happen, of course not. But until we get to that point, we’re going to see more of the same. Oh well, I guess there’s always next year?
Dead on! Best post of the year!
i remember ripping herb welch alot
C. C. Brown?
I seem to recall he took the legs from a camera and started swinging them at players before the game even began.
Quote: You’re not taking into fact the embarrassment of firing a head coach two years in a row. It may be easy for us as fans to say, “Fire him.”
But the PR hit in reality would be awful. What coach and possible coaching staff would want to come to the Giants knowing the volatility that’s been going on for the past three years?
If the Giants fire Shurmur after this season, they’d better have a succession plan that’s been thought out and rock solid. ////////////////
Part of the Giants problem is they're too worried about reaction. Reaction of the fans, reaction of the media - and in some cases, reaction of the players.
They need to start making decisions based on what gives them the best chance towards winning, short and long term. If that means firing Shurmur because he's never going to be more than a below average coach, then so be it, PR flak be damned.
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In comment 14191203 Hsilwek92 said:
Quote: You’re not taking into fact the embarrassment of firing a head coach two years in a row. It may be easy for us as fans to say, “Fire him.”
But the PR hit in reality would be awful. What coach and possible coaching staff would want to come to the Giants knowing the volatility that’s been going on for the past three years?
If the Giants fire Shurmur after this season, they’d better have a succession plan that’s been thought out and rock solid. ////////////////
Part of the Giants problem is they're too worried about reaction. Reaction of the fans, reaction of the media - and in some cases, reaction of the players.
They need to start making decisions based on what gives them the best chance towards winning, short and long term. If that means firing Shurmur because he's never going to be more than a below average coach, then so be it, PR flak be damned.
jcn, the problem is that the current generation of Maras, and past, are not football men, they don't have the instincts of the Rooneys, e.g. It took Rozelle to foist George Young on this franchise, leading to Parcells and his staff, including TC, without which, the heritage in the last two generations would be almost barren. Someone outside the NYGiants KOLs (a contradiction in terms) needs to be making decisions.
What's Chris Mara's title again?
And Shurmur came up with this beauty
In looking at the Giants evaluation for next year, we had said the players were the biggest ones to review and see who to come back. And I don't think the Giants will pull the plug on Shurmur after one year. But the Giants have a big problem because he's lost the fans. And while fans are fickle, it's also tough to rebuild trust and things can turn south in this town fast. Shurmur more and more looks like a retread head coach who is best as a coordinator. The problem is that I'm sure Mara and Gettleman have decided that this year is out because the team will need at least 2 years to fix the Reese mess and won't pin it all on Shurmur. But Shurmur might find himself where Parcells was after the 1983 season. The team was bad and it wasn't his fault, but he only had 1984 to make it better and Parcells changed his style. I don't know if Shurmur has that in him.
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Barkley did not play much in the Third Quarter because he tweaked his hamstring.
Where did you get that? Not reported by anyone I've seen.
Shurmur read off ALL the injuries in post game presser..not one mention of Barkley
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In comment 14191203 Hsilwek92 said:
Quote: You’re not taking into fact the embarrassment of firing a head coach two years in a row. It may be easy for us as fans to say, “Fire him.”
But the PR hit in reality would be awful. What coach and possible coaching staff would want to come to the Giants knowing the volatility that’s been going on for the past three years?
If the Giants fire Shurmur after this season, they’d better have a succession plan that’s been thought out and rock solid. ////////////////
Part of the Giants problem is they're too worried about reaction. Reaction of the fans, reaction of the media - and in some cases, reaction of the players.
They need to start making decisions based on what gives them the best chance towards winning, short and long term. If that means firing Shurmur because he's never going to be more than a below average coach, then so be it, PR flak be damned.
jcn, the problem is that the current generation of Maras, and past, are not football men, they don't have the instincts of the Rooneys, e.g. It took Rozelle to foist George Young on this franchise, leading to Parcells and his staff, including TC, without which, the heritage in the last two generations would be almost barren. Someone outside the NYGiants KOLs (a contradiction in terms) needs to be making decisions.
What's Chris Mara's title again?
Assistant to the assistant to the assistant head stooge.
Me too. I've been giving him a pass because the team has been playing hard, and that's a good reflection on him but he's not doing enough to make them better.
In fact today, I'd say he made them worse, and hurt them a number of times. This team has a hard enough time overcoming their own mistakes, let alone ones by their coach.
Essentially Eli didn’t cost us the game with one freaking into and a missed conversion. Which is essentially what most of you are saying. In fact, he was overall positive. Shurmer, maybe takes a bunch of blame too. But, the vast majority of the blame, and by a huge margin, goes to the defense. They were gashed on all fronts and every single time they needed to come up big, they came up small. Except the one time Pedersen had the brain fart (see, it happens to everyone) and had Wentz try to run for a first down.
This loss was on the defense. Don’t let your prejudice bias you.
Essentially Eli didn’t cost us the game with one freaking into and a missed conversion. Which is essentially what most of you are saying. In fact, he was overall positive. Shurmer, maybe takes a bunch of blame too. But, the vast majority of the blame, and by a huge margin, goes to the defense. They were gashed on all fronts and every single time they needed to come up big, they came up small. Except the one time Pedersen had the brain fart (see, it happens to everyone) and had Wentz try to run for a first down.
This loss was on the defense. Don’t let your prejudice bias you.
Hanging the loss on the defense is like giving a free pass to half the team. It's not "on" the defense when your offense ceases to function for half a game. That's very clear.
Essentially Eli didn’t cost us the game with one freaking into and a missed conversion. Which is essentially what most of you are saying. In fact, he was overall positive. Shurmer, maybe takes a bunch of blame too. But, the vast majority of the blame, and by a huge margin, goes to the defense. They were gashed on all fronts and every single time they needed to come up big, they came up small. Except the one time Pedersen had the brain fart (see, it happens to everyone) and had Wentz try to run for a first down.
This loss was on the defense. Don’t let your prejudice bias you.
Yeah, the defense sucks as does the rest of the team. Jettisoning Eli will solve everything according to some.
The Eagles secondary was decimated and the Giants offense managed 3 points on them in the second half. This is loss is squarely on the offense and the coach.
With an elite running back are you guaranteed even that you will make 90 percent of your 3rd and 2 and 4th and 2 situations? Nope. If your line doesn't get the push forward or if the other teams D-Line guesses where the point of attack will be you're as likely to lose 2 yards.
Go check out Detroit and Barry Sanders. So the Giants have the best running back and they are 3-8. Next priority is still quarterback. They will cost at the very least this year's first round, and it could get much much worse.
And they dispose of three defensive players better than anyone they had to replace them with. Do they think that you get double digit sack guys with fifth round draft picks? Playing on the same line as JPP also makes Vernon productive. You can look it up. See 2016 sack records.
Unreal that some of you cannot see he costs this team games. blaming it on the defense? Rich.
Essentially Eli didn’t cost us the game with one freaking into and a missed conversion. Which is essentially what most of you are saying. In fact, he was overall positive. Shurmer, maybe takes a bunch of blame too. But, the vast majority of the blame, and by a huge margin, goes to the defense. They were gashed on all fronts and every single time they needed to come up big, they came up small. Except the one time Pedersen had the brain fart (see, it happens to everyone) and had Wentz try to run for a first down.
This loss was on the defense. Don’t let your prejudice bias you.
Wow, you need to re-read your last line and take your own advice. The Eagles were seriously compromised due to injury on the defensive side of the ball, and the Giants offense did absolutely diddly squat in the second half (after wrapping up the first half with a terrible turnover that basically took 3 points off the board).
Every loss is a team loss, but this one is way more on the offense than the defense. They played half a game.
I really hated the way Gettleman was hired as I would have preferred someone new to the organization. It’s hard to throw too much blame at him right now though.
While I wasn’t in favor of drafting Barkley over a QB, he has been excellent as expected. However, in a terrible season I might feel better if we had a QB waiting in the wings to change things up.
For arguments sake say we take a QB in the first this year. How long will it take for said QB to be able to lead this team and have us be truly competitive? And with that how long can Barkley carry the load and be what he is currently? Could be a stupid concern, and Saquon is truly as good as it gets for a rookie or even a seasoned veteran. My long winded question is how long until we can be a good playoff team? Seems to me we will have a coaching change in the next year or two, barring a miracle. And what will Barkley and Beckham look like at that point?
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Worst player to wear a Giants uniform still belongs to Jeremy Lincoln.
I vote Rocky Thompson!
John Hicks is in the running!
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Yeah, everyone made mistakes. Costly penalties, especially on the o line, a dumb time out (insignificant at the time), some mental errors...yeah Shurmer, for whatever (real) reason made a mistake in moving away from Barkley. And, he made some strange calls. And yeah Eli made a couple mistakes, big mistakes. But it happens in almost every game and there was way more good Eli than bad.
Essentially Eli didn’t cost us the game with one freaking into and a missed conversion. Which is essentially what most of you are saying. In fact, he was overall positive. Shurmer, maybe takes a bunch of blame too. But, the vast majority of the blame, and by a huge margin, goes to the defense. They were gashed on all fronts and every single time they needed to come up big, they came up small. Except the one time Pedersen had the brain fart (see, it happens to everyone) and had Wentz try to run for a first down.
This loss was on the defense. Don’t let your prejudice bias you.
Wow, you need to re-read your last line and take your own advice. The Eagles were seriously compromised due to injury on the defensive side of the ball, and the Giants offense did absolutely diddly squat in the second half (after wrapping up the first half with a terrible turnover that basically took 3 points off the board).
Every loss is a team loss, but this one is way more on the offense than the defense. They played half a game.
As opposed to none of it by the defense.
Meanwhile - the offense retained OBJ and had the 1st and 2nd round picks (very high picks at that) added.
The O should be performing better than it is. The Eagles D was particularly vulnerable, with their entire secondary injured.
The D shouldn't walk away blameless, but if you're looking at yesterday and don't see the O as the main reason they lost, I'd suggest you look again. They literally played half a game, while also hanging the defense out to dry.
Yep... he's way up there right with his Teddy Bear.
There is a lot of former Giants that got to be here on a 3-4 year scholarship due to being a draftee or coach favorite that couldnt catch onto another organization again in the NFL