829 rushing yards
8 rushing TD's
4.8 yards per carry
581 receiving yards
4 receiving TD's
8.2 yards per reception
0 FUMBLES
1410 yards from scrimmage
12 TD's
5.8 yards per touch
0 turnovers
All that in 11 games with this offensive line and a coach that doesn't feed him the ball nearly enough. This dude is incredible, we have a bright future once we can build a team around him.
Imo? You never, ever pass up a Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Gale Sayers, AP, Dickerson et al when theyre there regardless of where youre picking, UNLESS a Peyton or Luck is sitting there
And Saquon isn't a douche
Imo? You never, ever pass up a Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Gale Sayers, AP, Dickerson et al when theyre there regardless of where youre picking, UNLESS a Peyton or Luck is sitting there
Agreed. Mayfield looks good but the others have big problems already and are no slam dunks to be legit above average QBs. Darnold is already banged up and wasnt playing well, Rosen looks lost for big stretches of games, Allen has been hurt and has underwhelmed and Jackson just doesnt know what hes doing yet in the pocket.
Its funny that people thought we are a year behind by not going QB but I can argue taking Barkley out ya right on track to get better quicker. If we had Darnold wed be a 2 win team with another high pick and likely no run game still heading into 2019/2020. Thats 2 wasted years of a rookie QBs cheaper salary.
Imo? You never, ever pass up a Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Gale Sayers, AP, Dickerson et al when theyre there regardless of where youre picking, UNLESS a Peyton or Luck is sitting there
17 TD's
1206 rushing yds
845 receiving yds
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Marshall Faulk numbers
There is a real argument to be made that taking Barkley expedited the path back to success.
It's entirely logical that a back of Barkley's caliber lowers the bar on the type of QB needed to win, which opens up many more avenues to acquire the guy you need other than just sitting at #1 or #2 in the draft and hoping for a Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck.
There is a real argument to be made that taking Barkley expedited the path back to success.
It's entirely logical that a back of Barkley's caliber lowers the bar on the type of QB needed to win, which opens up many more avenues to acquire the guy you need other than just sitting at #1 or #2 in the draft and hoping for a Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck.
Which is what many of us were saying if SB was indeed the generational player he purported to be. He is. So far.
No doubt they need an upgrade at QB, but they are a solid team regardless. If the Giants had better coaching and the ability to rush the passer wed likely be in contention for the division even with our awful Oline.
So when people get all pissy about not taking a QB, they really should just see how the season unfolds because IMO this season is even more of a less with Darnold and wed be dead last in rushing heading into 2019/2020. Not exactly what everyone would be wanting if they are being honest.
No doubt they need an upgrade at QB, but they are a solid team regardless. If the Giants had better coaching and the ability to rush the passer wed likely be in contention for the division even with our awful Oline.
So when people get all pissy about not taking a QB, they really should just see how the season unfolds because IMO this season is even more of a less with Darnold and wed be dead last in rushing heading into 2019/2020. Not exactly what everyone would be wanting if they are being honest.
That might tell us more about the lack of quality teams than anything else....This Denver D is not remotely close
to the version that won a SB. As I mentioned the other day, there were 10 teams with 3 or less wins going into this past weekend's games.
Barkley is a great looking back, but the QB class this year, not as good.
You can't truly evaluate a QB in year one,
that would be a mistake. Take Goff for example,
people were calling him a bust on here and elsewhere.
The Chiefs moved up to get Mahomes, and found a very good back in Round 3. The Saints found a very good back in Round 3 as well.
The Giants, what next?
Gettleman has made more mistakes than I would have liked in his first year on the free agent front... And hiring Shurmur appears to be a brutal unforced error in judgment. We can only hope that perhaps he is simply an interim guy that manages the heavy lifting in a multi-year rebuild that ultimately paves the way for the next Parcells/Coughlin. But the one thing no one can deny now is that the 2018 draft was the best we have had in a decade.
Barring injury, Barkley will not only be the greatest running back in Giants history, but perhaps a top five all time NFL great. To think that he has achieved these stats with the Giants current OLine is nothing short of miraculous... when we add talent to the OLine and establish a defense that can actually stop someone when it counts, things will begin to make sense again in the Meadowlands...
In the meantime, thanks Britt for focusing on the light in this continuing sea of darkness...
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they have a limited skill set journeyman QB whos actually got a shot at going to the playoffs due to timely defense and a RB that came out of nowhere who runs like hes shot out of a cannon.
No doubt they need an upgrade at QB, but they are a solid team regardless. If the Giants had better coaching and the ability to rush the passer wed likely be in contention for the division even with our awful Oline.
So when people get all pissy about not taking a QB, they really should just see how the season unfolds because IMO this season is even more of a less with Darnold and wed be dead last in rushing heading into 2019/2020. Not exactly what everyone would be wanting if they are being honest.
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That might tell us more about the lack of quality teams than anything else....This Denver D is not remotely close
to the version that won a SB. As I mentioned the other day, there were 10 teams with 3 or less wins going into this past weekend's games.
Barkley is a great looking back, but the QB class this year, not as good.
You can't truly evaluate a QB in year one,
that would be a mistake. Take Goff for example,
people were calling him a bust on here and elsewhere.
The Chiefs moved up to get Mahomes, and found a very good back in Round 3. The Saints found a very good back in Round 3 as well.
The Giants, what next?
Does the lack of quality teams matter though? If it can be done than it could be done.
You've got QB's like Rodgers, Newton, Ryan, and Wilson who all might miss the playoffs despite being among the top 10/12 at the position, 2 of which are in the top 5.
As for the QB class, we don't have to take one and I don't want to take one if the value isn't there You take the top ER or Tackle and continue to build your team. I'm also not determining the 2018 QB classes fate, i'm simply pointing out the major hurdles they have faced and how with Darnold we might even be worse off heading into 2019/2020.
I'm not saying i'm right, i'm simply pointing to a very logical scenario that people simply didn't want to hear back in April.
Gettleman has made more mistakes than I would have liked in his first year on the free agent front... And hiring Shurmur appears to be a brutal unforced error in judgment. We can only hope that perhaps he is simply an interim guy that manages the heavy lifting in a multi-year rebuild that ultimately paves the way for the next Parcells/Coughlin. But the one thing no one can deny now is that the 2018 draft was the best we have had in a decade.
Barring injury, Barkley will not only be the greatest running back in Giants history, but perhaps a top five all time NFL great. To think that he has achieved these stats with the Giants current OLine is nothing short of miraculous... when we add talent to the OLine and establish a defense that can actually stop someone when it counts, things will begin to make sense again in the Meadowlands...
In the meantime, thanks Britt for focusing on the light in this continuing sea of darkness...
Let the QB class marinate for a few years. No one is saying they don't like Barkley, by the way.
Just pointing out there was another way of going about it.
The Giants have tried to develop an O Line for about 10 years, it's not like they haven't had some high draft choices.
I am not going thru the list...
Guys like Luck delivered year 1. The Browns will likely get this kind of return from Mayfield. The rest, huge question marks. I'f i'm going to spend the #2 pick on a QB it needs to work out as soon as possible IMO. Today's NFL game and the cost associated with the position make it a necessity to hit on a pick that high.
B) Has a competent offensive line in front of him
You forgot about C) when he has an NFL coach
But sadly B and C may never come to fruition and everyone wants to run his QB out of town to make absolutely certain he's Barry Sanders 2.0 in every regard
Guys like Luck delivered year 1. The Browns will likely get this kind of return from Mayfield. The rest, huge question marks. I'f i'm going to spend the #2 pick on a QB it needs to work out as soon as possible IMO. Today's NFL game and the cost associated with the position make it a necessity to hit on a pick that high.
How good was Eli in year one, if you want to use your theory? You do recall Eli in year one, started the last 7 games, green as a cucumber. Eli was the No. 1 pick in the draft, not everybody develops as quickly as one would like. You have too let it marinate a few years, before you can try and make a decision, that's how I feel.
You're seeing Quarterbacks get drafted and start early. A big part of that is that modern NFL offenses are resembling college offenses. Combined with the rule changes against defense, it's generally likely easier for young QBs to come in and start. And there are some coaches who help the process along by tailoring their offense to the skillset of the QB. That didn't used to happen. A player would either learn the offense or not play. Now, coordinators adjust to what the player can learn and do.
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if the QB class need "a few years" than they basically means not selecting any of them was the correct move regardless of taking Barkley. The whole reason of taking an NFL ready QB is that it pays immediate, or close to immediate dividends while they are cheap. If Darnold turns the corner by the end of his 3rd season you now have 1 remaining cost controlled year before his 5th year option/extension..
Guys like Luck delivered year 1. The Browns will likely get this kind of return from Mayfield. The rest, huge question marks. I'f i'm going to spend the #2 pick on a QB it needs to work out as soon as possible IMO. Today's NFL game and the cost associated with the position make it a necessity to hit on a pick that high.
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How good was Eli in year one, if you want to use your theory? You do recall Eli in year one, started the last 7 games, green as a cucumber. Eli was the No. 1 pick in the draft, not everybody develops as quickly as one would like. You have too let it marinate a few years, before you can try and make a decision, that's how I feel.
That was 15 years ago during a time that QB's usually sat out their 1st year. That's no longer a possibility for 2 reasons. 1, the QB's have a much easier job in the 2018 NFL than the 2004 NFL and 2. the economics of the pick.
And I don't disagree that the QB's need time to develop. My point is that taking half or 3/4 of your rookie contract to develop isn't ideal and can lead you a lot of stagnant growth. Mayfield is turning around the Browns a lot faster than Darnold, Allen, or Rosen are for their teams. That means the Browns can focus on other areas and set themselves up for when it comes time to pay Mayfield.
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if the QB class need "a few years" than they basically means not selecting any of them was the correct move regardless of taking Barkley. The whole reason of taking an NFL ready QB is that it pays immediate, or close to immediate dividends while they are cheap. If Darnold turns the corner by the end of his 3rd season you now have 1 remaining cost controlled year before his 5th year option/extension..
Guys like Luck delivered year 1. The Browns will likely get this kind of return from Mayfield. The rest, huge question marks. I'f i'm going to spend the #2 pick on a QB it needs to work out as soon as possible IMO. Today's NFL game and the cost associated with the position make it a necessity to hit on a pick that high.
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How good was Eli in year one, if you want to use your theory? You do recall Eli in year one, started the last 7 games, green as a cucumber. Eli was the No. 1 pick in the draft, not everybody develops as quickly as one would like. You have too let it marinate a few years, before you can try and make a decision, that's how I feel.
Yes, but I know Eli Manning. And Darnold/Allen/Rosen are no Eli Manning.
And the point you are conveniently glossing over is that the cost in this case of taking Darnold/Allen/Rosen would have been not taking Saquon Barkley, who one day, barring injury, will be in the GOAT RB discussion.... Eli cost the Giants Philip Rivers and Shawne Merriman, neither of whom will likely play in a super bowl and will never be in any GOAT discussion for anything...
You need to let go of last year's dopey argument so we can gear up for next year's dopey argument that the Giants will be in deep trouble if they don't take Justin Herbert or Daniel Jones... The truth is, any number of quarterbacks can run this team and win a Super Bowl if they move on from Eli next year (ala Foles, Bridgewater and Keenum) while we continue to search for a true "non-reach" franchise quarterback worthy of the top of the draft board (ala Tagovailoa)...
This is a real good developmental year for him and I'm sure he's learning from the experience this year. He's now taking the ball north and south before looking to bounce it and it's providing dividends for the Offense.
I am a big believer, and have posted on this several times, that you do not draft a franchise qb, you develop one. Its rare that you have a can't miss qb at the top of the draft. What you do have is qbs with talent that need some form of development. Having someone like Barkley to lean on in year one, two and beyond may help tremendously. Again, this doesn't guarantee that Drew Lock (arguments sake) develops into a top guy, but that guy may very well be ahead of his peers in terms of inherited talent. Additionally, it doesn't hurt that your superstar has no ego and will initially be the leader (mercifully this won't be OBJ).
. . . . cannot be overstated.
Shurmur should be fired.
17 TD's
1206 rushing yds
845 receiving yds
Good stuff
Which would place him 3rd all time among rookie skill players in yards from scrimmage, behind only Dickerson and James. He needs 803 yards in 5 games to pass Dickerson, which is 160.5 ypg. His yards per touch is higher than either, and its not close. Astonishing considering the state of the Giants this season.
I am convinced, without any evidence, that Barkley is on a pitch count. I'll further speculate, again without more, that players tend to get hurt more often when they are tired.
I'd like to think that they are using Barkley with the future in mind. I know I sure wouldn't abuse him in the pursuit of a mediocrity.
Time will tell
Time will tell
Yeah. It was George Rogers. But carry on with your utter horseshit here on BBI. You rock!
Time will tell
Time will tell
So you're doubling down on this? Awesome!
Actually from his 2016 season at PSU I wanted him in Blue. He will be the second greatest Giant player ever. His talent is that special.
👍 the laundry is quite dirty besides Barkley
It matters to me.
8 rushing TD's
4.9 yards per carry
602 receiving yards
4 receiving TD's
8.1 yards per reception
0 FUMBLES
1556 yards from scrimmage
12 TD's
5.8 yards per touch
0 turnovers
Yes, I have seen the future. I told my wife last night, my 7 year old son and 4 year old daughter's next jerseys will be Barkley jerseys. Ordering them for Christmas.
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Easy to root for. Barkley is very easy to root for, it's an easy transition from Manning to Barkley as my fav giant player.
Yes, I have seen the future. I told my wife last night, my 7 year old son and 4 year old daughter's next jerseys will be Barkley jerseys. Ordering them for Christmas.
Wise man
I vehemently disagree with your opinion! AVERAGE AT BEST, HELLO?!
8 rushing TD's
4.9 yards per carry
602 receiving yards
4 receiving TD's
8.1 yards per reception
0 FUMBLES
1556 yards from scrimmage
12 TD's
5.8 yards per touch
0 turnovers
Amazing... And in light of the Kareem Hunt situation, Barkley is not only among the most talented RBs I have ever seen, he appears to be of the highest character and humility as a human being... Which has been lost on BBI from the start... A guy like Barkley is not simply an interchangeable "part" that you could get in the "later rounds"...
Great stuff!