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Saquon Barkley

Britt in VA : 11/26/2018 11:18 am
829 rushing yards
8 rushing TD's
4.8 yards per carry

581 receiving yards
4 receiving TD's
8.2 yards per reception

0 FUMBLES

1410 yards from scrimmage
12 TD's
5.8 yards per touch
0 turnovers

All that in 11 games with this offensive line and a coach that doesn't feed him the ball nearly enough. This dude is incredible, we have a bright future once we can build a team around him.
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Stealing this  
Jints in Carolina : 11/26/2018 11:54 am : link
and putting on FB if that's ok.
He was clearly better than any of the QBs  
Big Blue '56 : 11/26/2018 11:55 am : link
coming out according to scouts and media prople who actually knew what they were watching.

Imo? You never, ever pass up a Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Gale Sayers, AP, Dickerson et al when theyre there regardless of where youre picking, UNLESS a Peyton or Luck is sitting there
RE: and for those who feared he would be a lesser player than Ezekiel  
Larry in Pencilvania : 11/26/2018 12:00 pm : link
In comment 14192849 JonC said:
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worry no longer. He's better and more explosive than EE.


And Saquon isn't a douche
RE: He was clearly better than any of the QBs  
UConn4523 : 11/26/2018 12:06 pm : link
In comment 14192912 Big Blue '56 said:
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coming out according to scouts and media prople who actually knew what they were watching.

Imo? You never, ever pass up a Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Gale Sayers, AP, Dickerson et al when theyre there regardless of where youre picking, UNLESS a Peyton or Luck is sitting there


Agreed. Mayfield looks good but the others have big problems already and are no slam dunks to be legit above average QBs. Darnold is already banged up and wasnt playing well, Rosen looks lost for big stretches of games, Allen has been hurt and has underwhelmed and Jackson just doesnt know what hes doing yet in the pocket.

Its funny that people thought we are a year behind by not going QB but I can argue taking Barkley out ya right on track to get better quicker. If we had Darnold wed be a 2 win team with another high pick and likely no run game still heading into 2019/2020. Thats 2 wasted years of a rookie QBs cheaper salary.
RE: He was clearly better than any of the QBs  
Joey in VA : 11/26/2018 12:11 pm : link
In comment 14192912 Big Blue '56 said:
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coming out according to scouts and media prople who actually knew what they were watching.

Imo? You never, ever pass up a Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Gale Sayers, AP, Dickerson et al when theyre there regardless of where youre picking, UNLESS a Peyton or Luck is sitting there
It really didn't take a lot to see how amazing he is, even for the ones who liked to bash him in the draft process and tell us that Guice, Penny, Kerryon Johnson etc. were all superior really couldn't point to anything but bad stats in a few games. He's the best offensive weapon to enter the league in a very very long time.
I fear  
Jay in Toronto : 11/26/2018 12:22 pm : link
based only on intuition, that there was a reason not publicized for holding him back in 2nd half
RE: Projected 16-game total...  
Toth029 : 11/26/2018 12:24 pm : link
In comment 14192868 Dan in the Springs said:
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2051 total yds
17 TD's

1206 rushing yds
845 receiving yds

Good stuff

Marshall Faulk numbers
UConn  
Chris684 : 11/26/2018 12:27 pm : link
Good point above.

There is a real argument to be made that taking Barkley expedited the path back to success.

It's entirely logical that a back of Barkley's caliber lowers the bar on the type of QB needed to win, which opens up many more avenues to acquire the guy you need other than just sitting at #1 or #2 in the draft and hoping for a Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck.
Hes an amazing player  
BBelle21 : 11/26/2018 12:31 pm : link
And terrific leader. I think he takes the mantle after Eli leaves
RE: UConn  
Big Blue '56 : 11/26/2018 12:31 pm : link
In comment 14192974 Chris684 said:
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Good point above.

There is a real argument to be made that taking Barkley expedited the path back to success.

It's entirely logical that a back of Barkley's caliber lowers the bar on the type of QB needed to win, which opens up many more avenues to acquire the guy you need other than just sitting at #1 or #2 in the draft and hoping for a Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck.


Which is what many of us were saying if SB was indeed the generational player he purported to be. He is. So far.
I like Barkley  
Rjanyg : 11/26/2018 12:33 pm : link
he is a good running back
Just look at Denver  
UConn4523 : 11/26/2018 12:33 pm : link
they have a limited skill set journeyman QB whos actually got a shot at going to the playoffs due to timely defense and a RB that came out of nowhere who runs like hes shot out of a cannon.

No doubt they need an upgrade at QB, but they are a solid team regardless. If the Giants had better coaching and the ability to rush the passer wed likely be in contention for the division even with our awful Oline.

So when people get all pissy about not taking a QB, they really should just see how the season unfolds because IMO this season is even more of a less with Darnold and wed be dead last in rushing heading into 2019/2020. Not exactly what everyone would be wanting if they are being honest.
RE: Just look at Denver  
Carson53 : 11/26/2018 12:59 pm : link
In comment 14192996 UConn4523 said:
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they have a limited skill set journeyman QB whos actually got a shot at going to the playoffs due to timely defense and a RB that came out of nowhere who runs like hes shot out of a cannon.

No doubt they need an upgrade at QB, but they are a solid team regardless. If the Giants had better coaching and the ability to rush the passer wed likely be in contention for the division even with our awful Oline.

So when people get all pissy about not taking a QB, they really should just see how the season unfolds because IMO this season is even more of a less with Darnold and wed be dead last in rushing heading into 2019/2020. Not exactly what everyone would be wanting if they are being honest.
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That might tell us more about the lack of quality teams than anything else....This Denver D is not remotely close
to the version that won a SB. As I mentioned the other day, there were 10 teams with 3 or less wins going into this past weekend's games.
Barkley is a great looking back, but the QB class this year, not as good.
You can't truly evaluate a QB in year one,
that would be a mistake. Take Goff for example,
people were calling him a bust on here and elsewhere.
The Chiefs moved up to get Mahomes, and found a very good back in Round 3. The Saints found a very good back in Round 3 as well.
The Giants, what next?
Anyone still arguing the 2018 draft  
the mike : 11/26/2018 1:02 pm : link
and defending Darnold and Allen, both of whom have already missed more games than Eli has in fifteen years, and Rosen, who will likely be out of football after his rookie contract, needs to consider following another sport.

Gettleman has made more mistakes than I would have liked in his first year on the free agent front... And hiring Shurmur appears to be a brutal unforced error in judgment. We can only hope that perhaps he is simply an interim guy that manages the heavy lifting in a multi-year rebuild that ultimately paves the way for the next Parcells/Coughlin. But the one thing no one can deny now is that the 2018 draft was the best we have had in a decade.

Barring injury, Barkley will not only be the greatest running back in Giants history, but perhaps a top five all time NFL great. To think that he has achieved these stats with the Giants current OLine is nothing short of miraculous... when we add talent to the OLine and establish a defense that can actually stop someone when it counts, things will begin to make sense again in the Meadowlands...

In the meantime, thanks Britt for focusing on the light in this continuing sea of darkness...
RE: RE: Just look at Denver  
UConn4523 : 11/26/2018 1:13 pm : link
In comment 14193055 Carson53 said:
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In comment 14192996 UConn4523 said:


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they have a limited skill set journeyman QB whos actually got a shot at going to the playoffs due to timely defense and a RB that came out of nowhere who runs like hes shot out of a cannon.

No doubt they need an upgrade at QB, but they are a solid team regardless. If the Giants had better coaching and the ability to rush the passer wed likely be in contention for the division even with our awful Oline.

So when people get all pissy about not taking a QB, they really should just see how the season unfolds because IMO this season is even more of a less with Darnold and wed be dead last in rushing heading into 2019/2020. Not exactly what everyone would be wanting if they are being honest.

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That might tell us more about the lack of quality teams than anything else....This Denver D is not remotely close
to the version that won a SB. As I mentioned the other day, there were 10 teams with 3 or less wins going into this past weekend's games.
Barkley is a great looking back, but the QB class this year, not as good.
You can't truly evaluate a QB in year one,
that would be a mistake. Take Goff for example,
people were calling him a bust on here and elsewhere.
The Chiefs moved up to get Mahomes, and found a very good back in Round 3. The Saints found a very good back in Round 3 as well.
The Giants, what next?


Does the lack of quality teams matter though? If it can be done than it could be done.

You've got QB's like Rodgers, Newton, Ryan, and Wilson who all might miss the playoffs despite being among the top 10/12 at the position, 2 of which are in the top 5.

As for the QB class, we don't have to take one and I don't want to take one if the value isn't there You take the top ER or Tackle and continue to build your team. I'm also not determining the 2018 QB classes fate, i'm simply pointing out the major hurdles they have faced and how with Darnold we might even be worse off heading into 2019/2020.

I'm not saying i'm right, i'm simply pointing to a very logical scenario that people simply didn't want to hear back in April.
RE: Anyone still arguing the 2018 draft  
Carson53 : 11/26/2018 1:20 pm : link
In comment 14193062 the mike said:
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and defending Darnold and Allen, both of whom have already missed more games than Eli has in fifteen years, and Rosen, who will likely be out of football after his rookie contract, needs to consider following another sport.

Gettleman has made more mistakes than I would have liked in his first year on the free agent front... And hiring Shurmur appears to be a brutal unforced error in judgment. We can only hope that perhaps he is simply an interim guy that manages the heavy lifting in a multi-year rebuild that ultimately paves the way for the next Parcells/Coughlin. But the one thing no one can deny now is that the 2018 draft was the best we have had in a decade.

Barring injury, Barkley will not only be the greatest running back in Giants history, but perhaps a top five all time NFL great. To think that he has achieved these stats with the Giants current OLine is nothing short of miraculous... when we add talent to the OLine and establish a defense that can actually stop someone when it counts, things will begin to make sense again in the Meadowlands...

In the meantime, thanks Britt for focusing on the light in this continuing sea of darkness...
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Let the QB class marinate for a few years. No one is saying they don't like Barkley, by the way.
Just pointing out there was another way of going about it.
The Giants have tried to develop an O Line for about 10 years, it's not like they haven't had some high draft choices.
I am not going thru the list...
Carson  
UConn4523 : 11/26/2018 1:29 pm : link
if the QB class need "a few years" than they basically means not selecting any of them was the correct move regardless of taking Barkley. The whole reason of taking an NFL ready QB is that it pays immediate, or close to immediate dividends while they are cheap. If Darnold turns the corner by the end of his 3rd season you now have 1 remaining cost controlled year before his 5th year option/extension.

Guys like Luck delivered year 1. The Browns will likely get this kind of return from Mayfield. The rest, huge question marks. I'f i'm going to spend the #2 pick on a QB it needs to work out as soon as possible IMO. Today's NFL game and the cost associated with the position make it a necessity to hit on a pick that high.
RE: Imagine what his stats will be like when  
longlive#10 : 11/26/2018 1:31 pm : link
In comment 14192844 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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A) He is no longer a rookie
B) Has a competent offensive line in front of him


You forgot about C) when he has an NFL coach

But sadly B and C may never come to fruition and everyone wants to run his QB out of town to make absolutely certain he's Barry Sanders 2.0 in every regard
RE: Carson  
Carson53 : 11/26/2018 1:35 pm : link
In comment 14193126 UConn4523 said:
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if the QB class need "a few years" than they basically means not selecting any of them was the correct move regardless of taking Barkley. The whole reason of taking an NFL ready QB is that it pays immediate, or close to immediate dividends while they are cheap. If Darnold turns the corner by the end of his 3rd season you now have 1 remaining cost controlled year before his 5th year option/extension..



Guys like Luck delivered year 1. The Browns will likely get this kind of return from Mayfield. The rest, huge question marks. I'f i'm going to spend the #2 pick on a QB it needs to work out as soon as possible IMO. Today's NFL game and the cost associated with the position make it a necessity to hit on a pick that high.
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How good was Eli in year one, if you want to use your theory? You do recall Eli in year one, started the last 7 games, green as a cucumber. Eli was the No. 1 pick in the draft, not everybody develops as quickly as one would like. You have too let it marinate a few years, before you can try and make a decision, that's how I feel.
A lot depends on the player  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/26/2018 2:07 pm : link
and much depends on the coach.

You're seeing Quarterbacks get drafted and start early. A big part of that is that modern NFL offenses are resembling college offenses. Combined with the rule changes against defense, it's generally likely easier for young QBs to come in and start. And there are some coaches who help the process along by tailoring their offense to the skillset of the QB. That didn't used to happen. A player would either learn the offense or not play. Now, coordinators adjust to what the player can learn and do.
RE: RE: Carson  
UConn4523 : 11/26/2018 2:16 pm : link
In comment 14193148 Carson53 said:
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In comment 14193126 UConn4523 said:


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if the QB class need "a few years" than they basically means not selecting any of them was the correct move regardless of taking Barkley. The whole reason of taking an NFL ready QB is that it pays immediate, or close to immediate dividends while they are cheap. If Darnold turns the corner by the end of his 3rd season you now have 1 remaining cost controlled year before his 5th year option/extension..



Guys like Luck delivered year 1. The Browns will likely get this kind of return from Mayfield. The rest, huge question marks. I'f i'm going to spend the #2 pick on a QB it needs to work out as soon as possible IMO. Today's NFL game and the cost associated with the position make it a necessity to hit on a pick that high.

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How good was Eli in year one, if you want to use your theory? You do recall Eli in year one, started the last 7 games, green as a cucumber. Eli was the No. 1 pick in the draft, not everybody develops as quickly as one would like. You have too let it marinate a few years, before you can try and make a decision, that's how I feel.


That was 15 years ago during a time that QB's usually sat out their 1st year. That's no longer a possibility for 2 reasons. 1, the QB's have a much easier job in the 2018 NFL than the 2004 NFL and 2. the economics of the pick.

And I don't disagree that the QB's need time to develop. My point is that taking half or 3/4 of your rookie contract to develop isn't ideal and can lead you a lot of stagnant growth. Mayfield is turning around the Browns a lot faster than Darnold, Allen, or Rosen are for their teams. That means the Browns can focus on other areas and set themselves up for when it comes time to pay Mayfield.
RE: RE: Carson  
the mike : 11/26/2018 2:18 pm : link
In comment 14193148 Carson53 said:
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In comment 14193126 UConn4523 said:


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if the QB class need "a few years" than they basically means not selecting any of them was the correct move regardless of taking Barkley. The whole reason of taking an NFL ready QB is that it pays immediate, or close to immediate dividends while they are cheap. If Darnold turns the corner by the end of his 3rd season you now have 1 remaining cost controlled year before his 5th year option/extension..



Guys like Luck delivered year 1. The Browns will likely get this kind of return from Mayfield. The rest, huge question marks. I'f i'm going to spend the #2 pick on a QB it needs to work out as soon as possible IMO. Today's NFL game and the cost associated with the position make it a necessity to hit on a pick that high.

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How good was Eli in year one, if you want to use your theory? You do recall Eli in year one, started the last 7 games, green as a cucumber. Eli was the No. 1 pick in the draft, not everybody develops as quickly as one would like. You have too let it marinate a few years, before you can try and make a decision, that's how I feel.


Yes, but I know Eli Manning. And Darnold/Allen/Rosen are no Eli Manning.

And the point you are conveniently glossing over is that the cost in this case of taking Darnold/Allen/Rosen would have been not taking Saquon Barkley, who one day, barring injury, will be in the GOAT RB discussion.... Eli cost the Giants Philip Rivers and Shawne Merriman, neither of whom will likely play in a super bowl and will never be in any GOAT discussion for anything...

You need to let go of last year's dopey argument so we can gear up for next year's dopey argument that the Giants will be in deep trouble if they don't take Justin Herbert or Daniel Jones... The truth is, any number of quarterbacks can run this team and win a Super Bowl if they move on from Eli next year (ala Foles, Bridgewater and Keenum) while we continue to search for a true "non-reach" franchise quarterback worthy of the top of the draft board (ala Tagovailoa)...
He's very impressive and I, for one,  
Simms11 : 11/26/2018 2:19 pm : link
am very glad he's now a NY Giant, but he can't do it all himself. Yesterday I thought he could have however. It was criminal, downright criminal, not to use him in the second half.

This is a real good developmental year for him and I'm sure he's learning from the experience this year. He's now taking the ball north and south before looking to bounce it and it's providing dividends for the Offense.
One Thing That Cannot Be Understated  
lax counsel : 11/26/2018 2:32 pm : link
Is the impact Barkley may have on the next young qb. If its a first round guy, he may very well walk into a situation where he isn't going to be asked to do too much, like some of the younger qbs are today. That can go a long way toward building confidence in allowing a top young qb to develop into that franchise guy (see Jared Goff).

I am a big believer, and have posted on this several times, that you do not draft a franchise qb, you develop one. Its rare that you have a can't miss qb at the top of the draft. What you do have is qbs with talent that need some form of development. Having someone like Barkley to lean on in year one, two and beyond may help tremendously. Again, this doesn't guarantee that Drew Lock (arguments sake) develops into a top guy, but that guy may very well be ahead of his peers in terms of inherited talent. Additionally, it doesn't hurt that your superstar has no ego and will initially be the leader (mercifully this won't be OBJ).
You mean  
Josh in MD : 11/26/2018 3:01 pm : link
Quote:
One Thing That Cannot Be Understated


. . . . cannot be overstated.
We drafted a RB  
Rflairr : 11/26/2018 3:26 pm : link
Number 2 overall. And are last in the entire league in rushing attempts.

Shurmur should be fired.
RE: ...  
OC2.0 : 11/26/2018 3:45 pm : link
In comment 14192842 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Yet he only touches the rock 5 times in the second half. Great coaching Mr. Patrick Shurmur.
that was fking ridiculous
RE: Projected 16-game total...  
BSIMatt : 11/26/2018 5:29 pm : link
In comment 14192868 Dan in the Springs said:
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2051 total yds
17 TD's

1206 rushing yds
845 receiving yds

Good stuff


Which would place him 3rd all time among rookie skill players in yards from scrimmage, behind only Dickerson and James. He needs 803 yards in 5 games to pass Dickerson, which is 160.5 ypg. His yards per touch is higher than either, and its not close. Astonishing considering the state of the Giants this season.
RE: I fear  
Hammer : 11/26/2018 6:06 pm : link
In comment 14192961 Jay in Toronto said:
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based only on intuition, that there was a reason not publicized for holding him back in 2nd half


I am convinced, without any evidence, that Barkley is on a pitch count. I'll further speculate, again without more, that players tend to get hurt more often when they are tired.

I'd like to think that they are using Barkley with the future in mind. I know I sure wouldn't abuse him in the pursuit of a mediocrity.
He is, to be honest,  
Daniel in MI : 11/26/2018 6:41 pm : link
The main joy I get watching NYG these days. Hes a pleasure to watch.
Earl Campbell was picked at #1 allowing giants to pick LT at #2. Just  
plato : 11/26/2018 6:50 pm : link
To illustrate the first pick can be a great player but the second can be an incomparable player. Barkley at # 2 may be like LT at #2.

Time will tell
RE: Earl Campbell was picked at #1 allowing giants to pick LT at #2. Just  
B in ALB : 11/26/2018 6:51 pm : link
In comment 14193834 plato said:
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To illustrate the first pick can be a great player but the second can be an incomparable player. Barkley at # 2 may be like LT at #2.

Time will tell


Yeah. It was George Rogers. But carry on with your utter horseshit here on BBI. You rock!
Earl Campbell was picked at #1 allowing giants to pick LT at #2. Just  
plato : 11/26/2018 6:51 pm : link
To illustrate the first pick can be a great player but the second can be an incomparable player. Barkley at # 2 may be like LT at #2.

Time will tell
RE: Earl Campbell was picked at #1 allowing giants to pick LT at #2. Just  
B in ALB : 11/26/2018 6:52 pm : link
In comment 14193838 plato said:
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To illustrate the first pick can be a great player but the second can be an incomparable player. Barkley at # 2 may be like LT at #2.

Time will tell


So you're doubling down on this? Awesome!
Sorry it was Rogers and I did double post. Campbell was associated  
plato : 11/26/2018 6:59 pm : link
With same coach as Rogers for a long time that I slipped. But the point is valid, the #2 pick can be far far better than the # 1 and I think the Giants did that againi n 2018 draft. SB like LT is unworldly
Right. Your point is valid  
B in ALB : 11/26/2018 7:10 pm : link
despite being utter nonsense based on your example. Good lord.
He had me  
BlueLou'sBack : 12/3/2018 8:25 am : link
From Hello.


Actually from his 2016 season at PSU I wanted him in Blue. He will be the second greatest Giant player ever. His talent is that special.

...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/3/2018 8:26 am : link
Great player &, while it probably doesn't matter to most, he seems like a really good guy. An easy guy to root for.
RE: He is, to be honest,  
crick n NC : 12/3/2018 8:33 am : link
In comment 14193825 Daniel in MI said:
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The main joy I get watching NYG these days. Hes a pleasure to watch.


👍 the laundry is quite dirty besides Barkley
RE: ...  
Britt in VA : 12/3/2018 8:33 am : link
In comment 14203317 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Great player &, while it probably doesn't matter to most, he seems like a really good guy. An easy guy to root for.


It matters to me.
Updated Totals:  
Britt in VA : 12/3/2018 8:35 am : link
954 rushing yards
8 rushing TD's
4.9 yards per carry

602 receiving yards
4 receiving TD's
8.1 yards per reception

0 FUMBLES

1556 yards from scrimmage
12 TD's
5.8 yards per touch
0 turnovers
Eli very  
crick n NC : 12/3/2018 8:35 am : link
Easy to root for. Barkley is very easy to root for, it's an easy transition from Manning to Barkley as my fav giant player.
RE: Eli very  
Britt in VA : 12/3/2018 8:40 am : link
In comment 14203336 crick n NC said:
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Easy to root for. Barkley is very easy to root for, it's an easy transition from Manning to Barkley as my fav giant player.


Yes, I have seen the future. I told my wife last night, my 7 year old son and 4 year old daughter's next jerseys will be Barkley jerseys. Ordering them for Christmas.
RE: RE: Eli very  
crick n NC : 12/3/2018 8:41 am : link
In comment 14203350 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 14203336 crick n NC said:


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Easy to root for. Barkley is very easy to root for, it's an easy transition from Manning to Barkley as my fav giant player.



Yes, I have seen the future. I told my wife last night, my 7 year old son and 4 year old daughter's next jerseys will be Barkley jerseys. Ordering them for Christmas.


Wise man
Ehh...slightly above avg running back with flaws such as his penchant  
Jimmy Googs : 12/3/2018 8:53 am : link
to leap over tall players in a single bound...
RE: Ehh...slightly above avg running back with flaws such as his penchant  
crick n NC : 12/3/2018 8:55 am : link
In comment 14203388 Jimmy Googs said:
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to leap over tall players in a single bound...


I vehemently disagree with your opinion! AVERAGE AT BEST, HELLO?!
He was the right choice. I'm excited to think about what he'll be  
Ira : 12/3/2018 8:58 am : link
able to do with a better run blocking o-line.
RE: Updated Totals:  
the mike : 12/3/2018 9:11 am : link
In comment 14203335 Britt in VA said:
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954 rushing yards
8 rushing TD's
4.9 yards per carry

602 receiving yards
4 receiving TD's
8.1 yards per reception

0 FUMBLES

1556 yards from scrimmage
12 TD's
5.8 yards per touch
0 turnovers


Amazing... And in light of the Kareem Hunt situation, Barkley is not only among the most talented RBs I have ever seen, he appears to be of the highest character and humility as a human being... Which has been lost on BBI from the start... A guy like Barkley is not simply an interchangeable "part" that you could get in the "later rounds"...

Great stuff!
Guys like Kareem Hunt are the exception, not the rule  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/3/2018 9:31 pm : link
There are plenty of genuinely good people who have worn this uniform. More of them are like Barkley than not, and very few of them receive the recognition and fawning over. It certainly doesn't stop them from being ripped to high heaven when they're not perfect on sundays for a fan.
Carson and others miss the point entirely  
djm : 12/3/2018 10:10 pm : link
Forget the qbs and their ceiling. Barkley was the surest thing at RB to come along since Peterson and Barkley was and is an even better prospect than that. All this talk of potential and ceilings and give this qb time, right, but thats exactly WHY Barkley was a great and easy pick. He was nfl ready made. No ifs or buts about it the guy was going to be good and probably great. How can you ever fault a team for taking that guy? You cant.
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