Have there been other teams who've forced out a guy like Eli Manning, 15 year starter franchise type? Dead serious question. I'm trying to remember the last one that was outright cut.
Phil Simms, Peyton Manning, Dan Fouts and Dan Marino come to mind.
Will probably start Eli next year because of the way they handled this year and last year. Agreed. I think they are morons for doing it. Every snap Eli takes is 1 snap longer until we have a team capable of competing again. No one has proven any value to sitting. You cannot prove that those sat and succeeded would not have succeeded if they played right away. Even Eli says you have to play. The fact that there is no developmental QB on the roster ready to take a snap right now knowing the results of the last 6 years is a humongous indictment on those running the franchise. They admitted they fucked up last year. They did the same fucking the again, knowing everything from last year. I have zero confidence in the organization to return us to glory anytime soon. They keep punting difficult decision to future years and continue to hire head coaches that are unproven(McAdoo) or past failures as head coached(Pat Shurmur)
10M buys you a Matt Paradis, I'd take McCown and stud center over Eli next year. I'm not expecting us to hoist the Lombardi next year, any percieved downgrade is negligible. Focus on fixing the holes that can be fixed.
Who's to say there's even a downgrade? McCown's numbers were better than Eli's last season, and it's not like you can simply blame Eli's decimated skill position supporting cast, bad OL, or unimaginative offensive scheme, because the Jets had all of the above as well.
This idea that a journeyman placeholder QB is going to cost $15-20MM is, quite simply, false. The only reason anyone would attempt to advance it is to try to justify Eli's cap number while he continues to produce like a journeyman placeholder while taking up a franchise QB's cap space.
What I don't get is why we can't demand that Eli take a pay cut. What choice would have have? Is another team going to pay him $17M to play next season? Plus he's been very clear he has no desire to pay anywhere else. I doubt he wants to retire either.
Tell him he can come back next year for $10M or he can move one as he sees fit.
Just so we are clear, you are going to ask Eli to take a $1.5M paycut?
And waive his roster bonus. Then sure, he can stick around in the mediocre journeyman role that his productivity merits.
As long as you agree that the roster bonus is a contractual clause to force the Giants to decide at the beginning of the league year. Any adjustment to the contract should be fair to both parties. If Eli agrees to a flat $10M salary with no roster bonus, then the team should be expected to guarantee that salary on the first day of the league year. The Giants shouldn't be afforded the luxury of squatting on Eli's rights without financial repercussions. If the terms outlined above are agreed to, then Eli's cap hit will drop from $23M to $16M.
I would think that would be a fair compromise. Given the number of times anyone named Manning has given back a penny though, I'd peg the chances of it at ~0%.
10M buys you a Matt Paradis, I'd take McCown and stud center over Eli next year. I'm not expecting us to hoist the Lombardi next year, any percieved downgrade is negligible. Focus on fixing the holes that can be fixed.
Who's to say there's even a downgrade? McCown's numbers were better than Eli's last season, and it's not like you can simply blame Eli's decimated skill position supporting cast, bad OL, or unimaginative offensive scheme, because the Jets had all of the above as well.
This idea that a journeyman placeholder QB is going to cost $15-20MM is, quite simply, false. The only reason anyone would attempt to advance it is to try to justify Eli's cap number while he continues to produce like a journeyman placeholder while taking up a franchise QB's cap space.
What I don't get is why we can't demand that Eli take a pay cut. What choice would have have? Is another team going to pay him $17M to play next season? Plus he's been very clear he has no desire to pay anywhere else. I doubt he wants to retire either.
Tell him he can come back next year for $10M or he can move one as he sees fit.
Just so we are clear, you are going to ask Eli to take a $1.5M paycut?
And waive his roster bonus. Then sure, he can stick around in the mediocre journeyman role that his productivity merits.
As long as you agree that the roster bonus is a contractual clause to force the Giants to decide at the beginning of the league year. Any adjustment to the contract should be fair to both parties. If Eli agrees to a flat $10M salary with no roster bonus, then the team should be expected to guarantee that salary on the first day of the league year. The Giants shouldn't be afforded the luxury of squatting on Eli's rights without financial repercussions. If the terms outlined above are agreed to, then Eli's cap hit will drop from $23M to $16M.
I would think that would be a fair compromise. Given the number of times anyone named Manning has given back a penny though, I'd peg the chances of it at ~0%.
You know Eli would love to pass his brother as the all time career earner. Peyton is number 1 at 248 million Eli is currently number 2 at 235 million...
Have there been other teams who've forced out a guy like Eli Manning, 15 year starter franchise type? Dead serious question. I'm trying to remember the last one that was outright cut.
Phil Simms, Peyton Manning, Dan Fouts and Dan Marino come to mind.
Obviously this requires a somewhat specific set of circumstances - first of all, you're dealing with a very small pool of players when you start by limiting it to "15 year starter franchise type" QBs. There's not a ton of those guys to begin with. And it's narrowed further by only really considering QBs in the salary cap era, where the decision impacts overall roster construction rather than just the binary choice of whether to keep the player or not, based solely of the quality of his play, not a valuation of his play relative to his cap number.
Then within that group, you're further limiting it to players who have time remaining on their contract and believe they can still play at a high level (and want to continue to do so, or try to), while their team may feel otherwise - many players might have been in this scenario but saw the writing on the wall themselves and chose to retire, thereby taking the difficult decision away from the organization.
So the simple answer is, yes, there have been other teams who have faced this type of situation before, but it's not necessarily that common. But the frequency of the situation presenting itself doesn't really have anything to do with how a team should approach their options. I'm not saying that it doesn't have an impact, just that it really shouldn't.
I agree with Gatorade Dunk, it's being understated that it's not that common.
And in many instances, I see Peyton Manning brought up for instance, that was an injury forced cut. They didn't know whether he would ever throw a football again and they were staring at Luck with the number one pick. Favre retired. I disagree that it was forced. I think he changed his mind and they had moved on. Aikman had a million concussions.
Like most things Eli, his career is unconventional, and the end is no different. He's a healthy player that has had no major injuries, and it's not injury driven. He can also still play a bit. It's a fairly unique situation and there aren't a lot of comps.
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I agree with Gatorade Dunk, it's being understated that it's not that common.
And in many instances, I see Peyton Manning brought up for instance, that was an injury forced cut. They didn't know whether he would ever throw a football again and they were staring at Luck with the number one pick. Favre retired. I disagree that it was forced. I think he changed his mind and they had moved on. Aikman had a million concussions.
Like most things Eli, his career is unconventional, and the end is no different. He's a healthy player that has had no major injuries, and it's not injury driven. He can also still play a bit. It's a fairly unique situation and there aren't a lot of comps.
Exactly -- there isn't precedent for a healthy, declining, 15-year vet, on a talent depleted team.
I agree the Giants will retain Manning -- it's very in character for the team. It's the least controversial move, and it's plainly obvious Manning can still operate adequately when not facing a lot of pressure.
The sad part is the unless the Giants drastically improve 3/5 o-line positions and figure out what to do at TE or don't play any teams with a functional defense, Manning is going to get his ass kicked all over the field for another 21 games, and retire with a losing record.
Whether we draft a QB in round 1 or not - makes no sense to waste cap money on an old game manager QB when the team is clearly, at best, 2-3 years away from being “talented.”
Save that cap money and spend it to improve our young core.
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Whether we draft a QB in round 1 or not - makes no sense to waste cap money on an old game manager QB when the team is clearly, at best, 2-3 years away from being “talented.”
Save that cap money and spend it to improve our young core.
That's just it you don't save 20 million. There is the dead money. The question is, are we saving enough between what you pay the journeyman plus the dead cap money.
I would be very skeptical if they run to the podium to pick a QB after last draft and this season. I don't want some retread either and I don't think they are going to Lauletta next year.
The only thing they have going for next year is that the division stinks.
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Whether we draft a QB in round 1 or not - makes no sense to waste cap money on an old game manager QB when the team is clearly, at best, 2-3 years away from being “talented.”
Save that cap money and spend it to improve our young core.
That's just it you don't save 20 million. There is the dead money. The question is, are we saving enough between what you pay the journeyman plus the dead cap money.
Pay the journeyman nothing for all I care. Go with Lauletta if it means saving money in a wasted year (which next year will be). Reallocate that money toward a building block in free agency.
I would be very skeptical if they run to the podium to pick a QB after last draft and this season. I don't want some retread either and I don't think they are going to Lauletta next year.
The only thing they have going for next year is that the division stinks.
You might think, but if you look as if the season ended today two of the division teams would be in the playoffs and one right there close to being in...only one that stinks in division is the ny giants
Where is the evidence that being around Eli is actually developmentally beneficial?
It sounds great, but none of the young QBs ever progressed here. Not necessarily Eli's fault but lends credence to the "I don't want to be a mentor" stuff. Eli's about Eli. Always has been. And that's not a bad thing. But he's not exactly a player development whiz according to his track record.
It's not necessarily about mentoring in the literal sense.... Â
it's about watching a consummate pro work. Being in the room when they film study. Watch how they practice, watch how they train, watch how they deal with the media....
He hasn’t lost much, but we MUST continue to fix that OL to keep him upright, to give him more time. In the meantime, develop KL or a drafted QB for the future.
After watching Dallas last night, I think we are far away from competing in this division. Philly was down 19-3 to us and came back and beat us easily. They have their young franchise QB. If felt like they knew it would happen. I knew it would happen. The Redskins are in a way better spot than us as well. I am discouraged. Our coach has not lost the team, but it seems like the damn is about to break. The GM told us Eli still had it. He doesn’t, it is obvious to those not fooled by outlier performances against bad teams. Eli can still win NFL games and is declining, he will get worse, not better, that isn’t good enough. Once again we have been terrible, we are out of contention and our developmental QB is once again not ready to take a snap. We are the new Brown, they have graduated to hopeful and their arrow is pointing up. Las year we had injuries and no Barkley, this year the franchise just looks clueless.
is that DG doesn't spend on UFAs like a drunken sailor, because handing a QB or a Clowney a contract like Solder or OV has a strong chance of failing and turning into a handcuff without escape hatches.
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it's about watching a consummate pro work. Being in the room when they film study. Watch how they practice, watch how they train, watch how they deal with the media....
As an example, Saquon was watching film for over an hour and Eli had popped in and sat down with him. Eli right away pointed out details that Saquon had missed. Saquon had said that Eli's experience was invaluable. Eli in those moments is teaching Saquon on how to prepare for an opponent that transcends what Saquon had known.
Um, no QB?
34 year old RB.
WRs that are awful.
Two aging TEs
Trent WIlliams gets hurt walking down the street.
Other OL constantly dinged up.
Yeah.... their future is rather bright...
Honest question...Are you high all the time? We have no QB, are 6-21 since the start of last season, they were in first place until A Smith broke his leg. They are much better on the OL/DL than we are. 8 million in dead money vs 43 Million in dead money in 2018. In 2019, 600k dead money vs 9 million dead money and that doesn't count if we cut Eli or Vernon. Redskins are in a way better spot than NY.
Um, no QB?
34 year old RB.
WRs that are awful.
Two aging TEs
Trent WIlliams gets hurt walking down the street.
Other OL constantly dinged up.
Yeah.... their future is rather bright...
Honest question...Are you high all the time? We have no QB, are 6-21 since the start of last season, they were in first place until A Smith broke his leg. They are much better on the OL/DL than we are. 8 million in dead money vs 43 Million in dead money in 2018. In 2019, 600k dead money vs 9 million dead money and that doesn't count if we cut Eli or Vernon. Redskins are in a way better spot than NY.
You're asking me questions a day after you said the Giants should sign an all-pro under 30 and listed 6 names who arent good or even available.
Alex Smith isnt a good QB despite breaking his leg. Every team he leaves gets better once he is gone.
Peterson is old
Williams is old
Records of the past mean shit when talking about the future. They dont have a barkley or Beckham on offense. They have some nice pieces sure.... but they have massive injuries that are building up on the OL. And jsut because they are in first in a shitty division, doesnt make them contenders anytime soon.
I have been very unimpressed with them this year even with Smith.
RE: It's not necessarily about mentoring in the literal sense.... Â
it's about watching a consummate pro work. Being in the room when they film study. Watch how they practice, watch how they train, watch how they deal with the media....
The flip side of that is the rookie gets shut out of practice and game snaps with Eli as opposed to some journeyman QB.
Its a lot easier to bench or split practice snaps with Fitzmagic than it is with Eli
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it's about watching a consummate pro work. Being in the room when they film study. Watch how they practice, watch how they train, watch how they deal with the media....
The flip side of that is the rookie gets shut out of practice and game snaps with Eli as opposed to some journeyman QB.
Its a lot easier to bench or split practice snaps with Fitzmagic than it is with Eli
Didn't hurt Aaron Rodgers or Phillip Rivers, who did it for years.
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Um, no QB?
34 year old RB.
WRs that are awful.
Two aging TEs
Trent WIlliams gets hurt walking down the street.
Other OL constantly dinged up.
Yeah.... their future is rather bright...
Honest question...Are you high all the time? We have no QB, are 6-21 since the start of last season, they were in first place until A Smith broke his leg. They are much better on the OL/DL than we are. 8 million in dead money vs 43 Million in dead money in 2018. In 2019, 600k dead money vs 9 million dead money and that doesn't count if we cut Eli or Vernon. Redskins are in a way better spot than NY.
You're asking me questions a day after you said the Giants should sign an all-pro under 30 and listed 6 names who arent good or even available.
Alex Smith isnt a good QB despite breaking his leg. Every team he leaves gets better once he is gone.
Peterson is old
Williams is old
Records of the past mean shit when talking about the future. They dont have a barkley or Beckham on offense. They have some nice pieces sure.... but they have massive injuries that are building up on the OL. And jsut because they are in first in a shitty division, doesnt make them contenders anytime soon.
I have been very unimpressed with them this year even with Smith.
The Redskins were 6-3 before Smith got hurt...this year! When was the last time the Giants were 6-3 to start a season?
that Eli Manning this year was leaps and bounds better than Smith?
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb Their play is about a wash, but this about the teams. Eli is getting a lot of mileage out of dump offs to Barkley and garbage time stats in 2018. Smith was winning games. Smith is also making 4 million less in 2018.
he's been playing scared. He checks off when he's under pressure even though he has open receivers downfield because he can't move and he fears getting sacked. He needs to be replaced.
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he's been playing scared. He checks off when he's under pressure even though he has open receivers downfield because he can't move and he fears getting sacked. He needs to be replaced.
Sort of disagree. In Eli's prime he threw some of the best deep balls in the league (see throw to Manningham in SB XLVI down the sideline). He was never mobile but had enough pocket sense in his prime to evade pressure (like Dan Marino who was also immobile). Now it's pretty clear that the Giants and Eli need to move on and mutually agree on a way to do so. This is what I'd do:
Eli plays until the Giants are mathematically eliminated (probably next week)
Prior to Week 15, a mutual announcement is made: Eli is retiring or will not return to the Giants next year. The Giants announce Lauletta as the starter in Weeks 15 and 16 to see what they have to determine whether he could be a long-term solution, a stop gap or not a solution.
Week 17 becomes "Eli Manning Day" and the organization dedicates the entire week to his Hall of Fame career and accomplishments. We're playing Dallas in Week 17, which is kind of apropos: Eli won his first career game against Dallas in Week 17, 2004, and could win his last game as a Giant against Dallas in Week 17 this year
it's about watching a consummate pro work. Being in the room when they film study. Watch how they practice, watch how they train, watch how they deal with the media....
As an example, Saquon was watching film for over an hour and Eli had popped in and sat down with him. Eli right away pointed out details that Saquon had missed. Saquon had said that Eli's experience was invaluable. Eli in those moments is teaching Saquon on how to prepare for an opponent that transcends what Saquon had known.
I thought that's what Jonathan Stewart was being paid to do?
And that pickup, depending on who it is, can be significant.
That's the only reason I think Manning taking some sort of pay cut is in the Giants best interest.
Take the cut, come back and mentor (hopefully), and finish out your career with NYG........
And that pickup, depending on who it is, can be significant.
That's the only reason I think Manning taking some sort of pay cut is in the Giants best interest.
Take the cut, come back and mentor (hopefully), and finish out your career with NYG........
Eli is not taking a paycut and has said he is not interested in a mentor role
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And that pickup, depending on who it is, can be significant.
That's the only reason I think Manning taking some sort of pay cut is in the Giants best interest.
Take the cut, come back and mentor (hopefully), and finish out your career with NYG........
Eli is not taking a paycut and has said he is not interested in a mentor role
Well by mentor I mean I mean be the starting QB and help the kid. Which he's doing this year with Lauletta I'm sure.
As far as a paycut.....then essentially Eli will cut himself IMO.
The rebuild will figure to be slow until the next QB is in place.
I agree. I also don't think it matters who is QB next season because we are at least another year or two away.
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10M buys you a Matt Paradis, I'd take McCown and stud center over Eli next year. I'm not expecting us to hoist the Lombardi next year, any percieved downgrade is negligible. Focus on fixing the holes that can be fixed.
Who's to say there's even a downgrade? McCown's numbers were better than Eli's last season, and it's not like you can simply blame Eli's decimated skill position supporting cast, bad OL, or unimaginative offensive scheme, because the Jets had all of the above as well.
This idea that a journeyman placeholder QB is going to cost $15-20MM is, quite simply, false. The only reason anyone would attempt to advance it is to try to justify Eli's cap number while he continues to produce like a journeyman placeholder while taking up a franchise QB's cap space.
What I don't get is why we can't demand that Eli take a pay cut. What choice would have have? Is another team going to pay him $17M to play next season? Plus he's been very clear he has no desire to pay anywhere else. I doubt he wants to retire either.
Tell him he can come back next year for $10M or he can move one as he sees fit.
Just so we are clear, you are going to ask Eli to take a $1.5M paycut?
And waive his roster bonus. Then sure, he can stick around in the mediocre journeyman role that his productivity merits.
As long as you agree that the roster bonus is a contractual clause to force the Giants to decide at the beginning of the league year. Any adjustment to the contract should be fair to both parties. If Eli agrees to a flat $10M salary with no roster bonus, then the team should be expected to guarantee that salary on the first day of the league year. The Giants shouldn't be afforded the luxury of squatting on Eli's rights without financial repercussions. If the terms outlined above are agreed to, then Eli's cap hit will drop from $23M to $16M.
I would think that would be a fair compromise. Given the number of times anyone named Manning has given back a penny though, I'd peg the chances of it at ~0%.
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10M buys you a Matt Paradis, I'd take McCown and stud center over Eli next year. I'm not expecting us to hoist the Lombardi next year, any percieved downgrade is negligible. Focus on fixing the holes that can be fixed.
Who's to say there's even a downgrade? McCown's numbers were better than Eli's last season, and it's not like you can simply blame Eli's decimated skill position supporting cast, bad OL, or unimaginative offensive scheme, because the Jets had all of the above as well.
This idea that a journeyman placeholder QB is going to cost $15-20MM is, quite simply, false. The only reason anyone would attempt to advance it is to try to justify Eli's cap number while he continues to produce like a journeyman placeholder while taking up a franchise QB's cap space.
What I don't get is why we can't demand that Eli take a pay cut. What choice would have have? Is another team going to pay him $17M to play next season? Plus he's been very clear he has no desire to pay anywhere else. I doubt he wants to retire either.
Tell him he can come back next year for $10M or he can move one as he sees fit.
Just so we are clear, you are going to ask Eli to take a $1.5M paycut?
And waive his roster bonus. Then sure, he can stick around in the mediocre journeyman role that his productivity merits.
As long as you agree that the roster bonus is a contractual clause to force the Giants to decide at the beginning of the league year. Any adjustment to the contract should be fair to both parties. If Eli agrees to a flat $10M salary with no roster bonus, then the team should be expected to guarantee that salary on the first day of the league year. The Giants shouldn't be afforded the luxury of squatting on Eli's rights without financial repercussions. If the terms outlined above are agreed to, then Eli's cap hit will drop from $23M to $16M.
I would think that would be a fair compromise. Given the number of times anyone named Manning has given back a penny though, I'd peg the chances of it at ~0%.
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Have there been other teams who've forced out a guy like Eli Manning, 15 year starter franchise type? Dead serious question. I'm trying to remember the last one that was outright cut.
Phil Simms, Peyton Manning, Dan Fouts and Dan Marino come to mind.
Obviously this requires a somewhat specific set of circumstances - first of all, you're dealing with a very small pool of players when you start by limiting it to "15 year starter franchise type" QBs. There's not a ton of those guys to begin with. And it's narrowed further by only really considering QBs in the salary cap era, where the decision impacts overall roster construction rather than just the binary choice of whether to keep the player or not, based solely of the quality of his play, not a valuation of his play relative to his cap number.
Then within that group, you're further limiting it to players who have time remaining on their contract and believe they can still play at a high level (and want to continue to do so, or try to), while their team may feel otherwise - many players might have been in this scenario but saw the writing on the wall themselves and chose to retire, thereby taking the difficult decision away from the organization.
So the simple answer is, yes, there have been other teams who have faced this type of situation before, but it's not necessarily that common. But the frequency of the situation presenting itself doesn't really have anything to do with how a team should approach their options. I'm not saying that it doesn't have an impact, just that it really shouldn't.
Like I said on this thread, it doesn't matter what I want, think, or anybody else for that matter.
On this thread, I'm strictly talking about what I think is going to happen, right, wrong, or indifferent.
And in many instances, I see Peyton Manning brought up for instance, that was an injury forced cut. They didn't know whether he would ever throw a football again and they were staring at Luck with the number one pick. Favre retired. I disagree that it was forced. I think he changed his mind and they had moved on. Aikman had a million concussions.
Like most things Eli, his career is unconventional, and the end is no different. He's a healthy player that has had no major injuries, and it's not injury driven. He can also still play a bit. It's a fairly unique situation and there aren't a lot of comps.
And in many instances, I see Peyton Manning brought up for instance, that was an injury forced cut. They didn't know whether he would ever throw a football again and they were staring at Luck with the number one pick. Favre retired. I disagree that it was forced. I think he changed his mind and they had moved on. Aikman had a million concussions.
Like most things Eli, his career is unconventional, and the end is no different. He's a healthy player that has had no major injuries, and it's not injury driven. He can also still play a bit. It's a fairly unique situation and there aren't a lot of comps.
Exactly -- there isn't precedent for a healthy, declining, 15-year vet, on a talent depleted team.
I agree the Giants will retain Manning -- it's very in character for the team. It's the least controversial move, and it's plainly obvious Manning can still operate adequately when not facing a lot of pressure.
The sad part is the unless the Giants drastically improve 3/5 o-line positions and figure out what to do at TE or don't play any teams with a functional defense, Manning is going to get his ass kicked all over the field for another 21 games, and retire with a losing record.
Just wasting time & seasons as there will be no playoff-caliber team until the guy under center is changed out...
Or do you get the QB first?
That’s the question we leave to Mara and Gettleman. This scares me.
Getting all the other pieces first adds way too many variables into the equation of building a winner...
I would just make him an offer he can't refuse.
Vito Corleone
Save that cap money and spend it to improve our young core.
Save that cap money and spend it to improve our young core.
That's just it you don't save 20 million. There is the dead money. The question is, are we saving enough between what you pay the journeyman plus the dead cap money.
The only thing they have going for next year is that the division stinks.
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Whether we draft a QB in round 1 or not - makes no sense to waste cap money on an old game manager QB when the team is clearly, at best, 2-3 years away from being “talented.”
Save that cap money and spend it to improve our young core.
That's just it you don't save 20 million. There is the dead money. The question is, are we saving enough between what you pay the journeyman plus the dead cap money.
Pay the journeyman nothing for all I care. Go with Lauletta if it means saving money in a wasted year (which next year will be). Reallocate that money toward a building block in free agency.
The only thing they have going for next year is that the division stinks.
You might think, but if you look as if the season ended today two of the division teams would be in the playoffs and one right there close to being in...only one that stinks in division is the ny giants
It sounds great, but none of the young QBs ever progressed here. Not necessarily Eli's fault but lends credence to the "I don't want to be a mentor" stuff. Eli's about Eli. Always has been. And that's not a bad thing. But he's not exactly a player development whiz according to his track record.
Sometimes, it can be that simple
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more about bridging to the successor than it is to win games, not unlike 2018.
The rebuild will figure to be slow until the next QB is in place.
I agree. I also don't think it matters who is QB next season because we are at least another year or two away.
Yup. I get fans being tired of losing and desperately not wanting to suck next year, but it's the most likely outcome, imv.
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more about bridging to the successor than it is to win games, not unlike 2018.
The rebuild will figure to be slow until the next QB is in place.
I agree. I also don't think it matters who is QB next season because we are at least another year or two away.
Yup. I get fans being tired of losing and desperately not wanting to suck next year, but it's the most likely outcome, imv.
As an example, Saquon was watching film for over an hour and Eli had popped in and sat down with him. Eli right away pointed out details that Saquon had missed. Saquon had said that Eli's experience was invaluable. Eli in those moments is teaching Saquon on how to prepare for an opponent that transcends what Saquon had known.
34 year old RB.
WRs that are awful.
Two aging TEs
Trent WIlliams gets hurt walking down the street.
Other OL constantly dinged up.
Yeah.... their future is rather bright...
34 year old RB.
WRs that are awful.
Two aging TEs
Trent WIlliams gets hurt walking down the street.
Other OL constantly dinged up.
Yeah.... their future is rather bright...
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Um, no QB?
34 year old RB.
WRs that are awful.
Two aging TEs
Trent WIlliams gets hurt walking down the street.
Other OL constantly dinged up.
Yeah.... their future is rather bright...
Honest question...Are you high all the time? We have no QB, are 6-21 since the start of last season, they were in first place until A Smith broke his leg. They are much better on the OL/DL than we are. 8 million in dead money vs 43 Million in dead money in 2018. In 2019, 600k dead money vs 9 million dead money and that doesn't count if we cut Eli or Vernon. Redskins are in a way better spot than NY.
You're asking me questions a day after you said the Giants should sign an all-pro under 30 and listed 6 names who arent good or even available.
Alex Smith isnt a good QB despite breaking his leg. Every team he leaves gets better once he is gone.
Peterson is old
Williams is old
Records of the past mean shit when talking about the future. They dont have a barkley or Beckham on offense. They have some nice pieces sure.... but they have massive injuries that are building up on the OL. And jsut because they are in first in a shitty division, doesnt make them contenders anytime soon.
I have been very unimpressed with them this year even with Smith.
The flip side of that is the rookie gets shut out of practice and game snaps with Eli as opposed to some journeyman QB.
Its a lot easier to bench or split practice snaps with Fitzmagic than it is with Eli
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it's about watching a consummate pro work. Being in the room when they film study. Watch how they practice, watch how they train, watch how they deal with the media....
The flip side of that is the rookie gets shut out of practice and game snaps with Eli as opposed to some journeyman QB.
Its a lot easier to bench or split practice snaps with Fitzmagic than it is with Eli
Didn't hurt Aaron Rodgers or Phillip Rivers, who did it for years.
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Um, no QB?
34 year old RB.
WRs that are awful.
Two aging TEs
Trent WIlliams gets hurt walking down the street.
Other OL constantly dinged up.
Yeah.... their future is rather bright...
Honest question...Are you high all the time? We have no QB, are 6-21 since the start of last season, they were in first place until A Smith broke his leg. They are much better on the OL/DL than we are. 8 million in dead money vs 43 Million in dead money in 2018. In 2019, 600k dead money vs 9 million dead money and that doesn't count if we cut Eli or Vernon. Redskins are in a way better spot than NY.
You're asking me questions a day after you said the Giants should sign an all-pro under 30 and listed 6 names who arent good or even available.
Alex Smith isnt a good QB despite breaking his leg. Every team he leaves gets better once he is gone.
Peterson is old
Williams is old
Records of the past mean shit when talking about the future. They dont have a barkley or Beckham on offense. They have some nice pieces sure.... but they have massive injuries that are building up on the OL. And jsut because they are in first in a shitty division, doesnt make them contenders anytime soon.
I have been very unimpressed with them this year even with Smith.
Sort of disagree. In Eli's prime he threw some of the best deep balls in the league (see throw to Manningham in SB XLVI down the sideline). He was never mobile but had enough pocket sense in his prime to evade pressure (like Dan Marino who was also immobile). Now it's pretty clear that the Giants and Eli need to move on and mutually agree on a way to do so. This is what I'd do:
Eli plays until the Giants are mathematically eliminated (probably next week)
Prior to Week 15, a mutual announcement is made: Eli is retiring or will not return to the Giants next year. The Giants announce Lauletta as the starter in Weeks 15 and 16 to see what they have to determine whether he could be a long-term solution, a stop gap or not a solution.
Week 17 becomes "Eli Manning Day" and the organization dedicates the entire week to his Hall of Fame career and accomplishments. We're playing Dallas in Week 17, which is kind of apropos: Eli won his first career game against Dallas in Week 17, 2004, and could win his last game as a Giant against Dallas in Week 17 this year
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it's about watching a consummate pro work. Being in the room when they film study. Watch how they practice, watch how they train, watch how they deal with the media....
As an example, Saquon was watching film for over an hour and Eli had popped in and sat down with him. Eli right away pointed out details that Saquon had missed. Saquon had said that Eli's experience was invaluable. Eli in those moments is teaching Saquon on how to prepare for an opponent that transcends what Saquon had known.
I thought that's what Jonathan Stewart was being paid to do?