No need to force a QB pick this year when we still need 3/5 of an offensive line and a whole new defense.
I agree, only problem is I think Manning has lost his vision of the field. Seems to miss a lot of open receivers and/or doesnt seem to have the confidence to make a lot of throws. Couple that with a coach that doesnt seem to be able to make gametime adjustments and you are looking at, with an improved O-Line, maybe 5 and 11 again next year.
No need to force a QB pick this year when we still need 3/5 of an offensive line and a whole new defense.
I agree, only problem is I think Manning has lost his vision of the field. Seems to miss a lot of open receivers and/or doesnt seem to have the confidence to make a lot of throws. Couple that with a coach that doesnt seem to be able to make gametime adjustments and you are looking at, with an improved O-Line, maybe 5 and 11 again next year.
And then we move on to our next QB. Ideally with a whole line and some pieces on D. Not to mention the best WR-RB tandem in the NFL.
do you expect the Giants to say? "We're absolutely cutting him at the end of the year." He's the best QB in the history of the franchise, and there are still games to play.
But he's done. I'd be stunned if he came back next year, let alone as the starter, especially at $17M. He has no mobility, and isn't seeing enough of the field on many plays. The Giants FO damaged his career because they didn't draft or sign enough decent OL. But that doesn't change the fact that they need to move on to someone else.
He's past his expiration date by 4 years, we have two young dynamic offensive weapons who need another wasted season and plenty of crappy defenders. Who wouldn't want to watch this shit show for another year?
season. The Manning family if going to be very persuasive against young Eli having another embarrassing season when he has no chance to be a premier quarterback anymore.
There is also pointlessly exposing himself to a serious injury while playing for nothing.
The Manning family must really feel sick watching Eli's career end this way.
The team has many holes to fill and is still 2 to 3 years away from fielding a solid team. Keeps the door open if they can't get the QB they want in this year's draft.
Reporters usually catch Mara for some comments and he can't help spilling beans.
That was the occasion last December when he pretty much said Eli was coming back, before the GM interviews.
The $5M has to be paid in March, before the draft pick will be known, so that affects planning.
Ralph V deserves the credit for this report, whatever it's worth, but he is wrong about the Giants going to Manning for a pay cut if they bring him back. Mara will not do that.
And zero point zero chance Eli will retire. Listen to Ell, not Archie. Eli will hold on like grim death unless Mara tells him it's over.
We need to find out what Lauletta brings to the table...
The Giants could possibly win one or two more games, which could drop them out of the top 10, making it harder to draft a qb.....
With time, Eli shows he can still manage the game....If they concentrate on the OL in the off season, and possibly find a 3rd WR, who knows, this offense may take off.....But unfortunately, I agree, Eli is just not seeing the field like he use to.......and I don't think the arm strength is there anymore.....there is a big difference in lobbing a pass 30-40 vs firing it.....keeping him another year, especially if there are no options to replace him, seems like a waste.....but fans want victories, not losing seasons.....and if ownership wants wins, then Eli might be the better option.....However, unless Eli has a once in a lifetime season, think they would entertain extending him? NO, I don't think so....so why pay 17M(he does not make 20M) on a ONE YEAR RENTAL WHEN IT CAN BE USED IN THE REBUILD?...His 6M in dead money is on the books whether he is here or not....
As for the defense, it needs a lot of help.....
The problem with the defense, in addition to lack of players, is coaching.....how many times do we see guys wide open, because guys don't know their assignments? You see this time and again, especially on 3rd down....
Archie has already hinted that Eli will retire at the end of this
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season. There is also pointlessly exposing himself to a serious injury while playing for nothing.
17M is not playing for nothing.....and don't tell me he has enough money.....you mean he might get injured, in the third game and not play the last 13 and still collect 17M? Gee, that's tough.....
If anything, he would be playing for something, especially if he felt they would put an OL in front of him.....he would want to show what he could do with a functioning OL and run game....he will want to play.....the question is, do the Giants want him?
Until they move on from Eli the organization is stuck in the past. No true tlrue rebuild without a new QB in the building. Eli is not a mentor, if hes here, hes the man.
I only see this ending 3 ways: 1. Career ending injury 2. DG drafts a QB in 1st rd and Eli retires before camp. 3. He plays out his contract in 2019 then is cut. Other than #2 hes not leaving voluntarily which screws the organization until he does.
For another 4-12 campaign with a mistake prone immobile checkdown Charlie leading the way. At least he doesnt say mean things about ex coaches
I would sign up for 4-12 right now in 2019. It should be all about Tua and possibly Fromm in the 2020 draft. I hate to say this, but Eli probably gives us a better chance at being terrible. Plus, the schedule will probably be tough with it featuring New England, Chicago, Green Bay, Minnesota, an improved SF, and 6 division games where well be lucky to win 1 or 2.
At some point in the not so distant future, we will once again have a stable veteran-laced O-line, good running game, WRs that have a strong catching radius, and a defense that can put immense pressure on the opposing team's stronger QB. And it will all come together so Eli can step up once again and play "lights out" in the playoffs in fashion that is heads above better than he typically shows during the regular season. And the Giants will ultimately win its 3rd Super Bowl with him at the helm.
He's the current starter. He hasn't announced his retirement. Why would you send the message that "Yeah, he's the guy for now, but as soon as this season is over, we're dropping him whether we have a plan to replace him or not." You wouldn't do that to Eli or to the CURRENT team.
Whether they've ruled him out already as the 2019 starter means nothing. They can rule him out the day after the season is over, if they want to.
The surprise will be if Eli retires at the end of the year. I just dont see that happening.
I think DG will concentrate on improving both the OL and defensive front seven in free agency and the draft.
Not sure I 7nderstand the logic of some on this thread
If you choose Ben, why is that giving back 2 SB titles? Is the presumption that Ben cant win two SB titles? Im pretty sure he did. Rivers? Sure you can argue he cant w8n the big one(which I think is a dumb argument), but Ben did.
And just so dep doesnt coming in here to save Eli from my vicious attack ala Kevin Costner in The Bodyguard, knowing what I know now I would make the same trade and ride with Eli. Ben and Rivers are excellent QBs and you can win titles with either, but Ill always love me some Eli.
RE: Not sure I 7nderstand the logic of some on this thread
If you choose Ben, why is that giving back 2 SB titles? Is the presumption that Ben cant win two SB titles? Im pretty sure he did. Rivers? Sure you can argue he cant w8n the big one(which I think is a dumb argument), but Ben did.
And just so dep doesnt coming in here to save Eli from my vicious attack ala Kevin Costner in The Bodyguard, knowing what I know now I would make the same trade and ride with Eli. Ben and Rivers are excellent QBs and you can win titles with either, but Ill always love me some Eli.
Ill just chime in that you're on the wrong thread :)
Eli will be back for 2019 and possibly beyond until this franchise finds it's next future QB.
It seems Eli has no desire to play anywhere else and wouldn't waive his no trade clause. Ownership wouldn't try and disrespect him further after last year's embarrassing QB move.
Signing a transition QB wouldn't make any sense. They will patchwork where they can and hope Eli leads them to the the playoffs.
The problem is there are no guarantees they will find that person whether a vet or draft pick. Thats all part of being in QB hell. And yes, the Giants ARE IN QB HELL right now.
If there isnt a QB of the future, what do you think the Giants should do, force it? I sure as hell hope not as that will really phuque things up.
If the Giants draft a QB in the first round they need to rip the bandaid off and go through the growing pains. Get them on tree field and get experience.
If they draft one later that needs more work, there is a very good chance Eli will be back as the bridge QB. I dont see any point in bringing in a stop-gap vet. I could be wrong, but name one that will do better than Eli? I would like Eli to take a pay cut, however.
If the Giants find a vet that is a long-term answer, more power to them.
"Lack of alternatives" will be the reasoning. Nevermind the fact that they handpicked their developmental guy who will be in Year 2 for a franchise in a rebuild. Kind of the perfect time to play him. They may have that intention too but I can 100% see them justifying Eli at 23M with the intentions of having him compete with Lauletta. 23M for veteran competition. Sounds about right for this franchise.
put an end to your inane debate. Not only his father and brother, but his own family surely don't want to see any more of this. Coming to work for another three win team.
Yes, Eli on his own, and Eli and his brother have an obscene amount of money and playing under these miserable conditions, and risking, say, a blow to the head or a crushed leg is not worth it.
At some point in the not so distant future, we will once again have a stable veteran-laced O-line, good running game, WRs that have a strong catching radius, and a defense that can put immense pressure on the opposing team's stronger QB. And it will all come together so Eli can step up once again and play "lights out" in the playoffs in fashion that is heads above better than he typically shows during the regular season. And the Giants will ultimately win its 3rd Super Bowl with him at the helm.
the starter. In fact, I really hope that they can stockpile picks to hopefully draft a guy like Tua NEXT year and then allow Eli to groom him for a year.
He's healthy, he can still play and make all the throws, and now, that Shurmur has figured out how to make him productive, they can probably win some more games.
I agree, only problem is I think Manning has lost his vision of the field. Seems to miss a lot of open receivers and/or doesnt seem to have the confidence to make a lot of throws. Couple that with a coach that doesnt seem to be able to make gametime adjustments and you are looking at, with an improved O-Line, maybe 5 and 11 again next year.
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No need to force a QB pick this year when we still need 3/5 of an offensive line and a whole new defense.
I agree, only problem is I think Manning has lost his vision of the field. Seems to miss a lot of open receivers and/or doesnt seem to have the confidence to make a lot of throws. Couple that with a coach that doesnt seem to be able to make gametime adjustments and you are looking at, with an improved O-Line, maybe 5 and 11 again next year.
And then we move on to our next QB. Ideally with a whole line and some pieces on D. Not to mention the best WR-RB tandem in the NFL.
Eli at 20 million vs. Journeyman at 16 million or so.
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But he's done. I'd be stunned if he came back next year, let alone as the starter, especially at $17M. He has no mobility, and isn't seeing enough of the field on many plays. The Giants FO damaged his career because they didn't draft or sign enough decent OL. But that doesn't change the fact that they need to move on to someone else.
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And who wants to help with the sign we will attach to the plane?
Especially the rest of the Division.
There is also pointlessly exposing himself to a serious injury while playing for nothing.
The Manning family must really feel sick watching Eli's career end this way.
That was the occasion last December when he pretty much said Eli was coming back, before the GM interviews.
The $5M has to be paid in March, before the draft pick will be known, so that affects planning.
Ralph V deserves the credit for this report, whatever it's worth, but he is wrong about the Giants going to Manning for a pay cut if they bring him back. Mara will not do that.
And zero point zero chance Eli will retire. Listen to Ell, not Archie. Eli will hold on like grim death unless Mara tells him it's over.
The Giants could possibly win one or two more games, which could drop them out of the top 10, making it harder to draft a qb.....
With time, Eli shows he can still manage the game....If they concentrate on the OL in the off season, and possibly find a 3rd WR, who knows, this offense may take off.....But unfortunately, I agree, Eli is just not seeing the field like he use to.......and I don't think the arm strength is there anymore.....there is a big difference in lobbing a pass 30-40 vs firing it.....keeping him another year, especially if there are no options to replace him, seems like a waste.....but fans want victories, not losing seasons.....and if ownership wants wins, then Eli might be the better option.....However, unless Eli has a once in a lifetime season, think they would entertain extending him? NO, I don't think so....so why pay 17M(he does not make 20M) on a ONE YEAR RENTAL WHEN IT CAN BE USED IN THE REBUILD?...His 6M in dead money is on the books whether he is here or not....
As for the defense, it needs a lot of help.....
The problem with the defense, in addition to lack of players, is coaching.....how many times do we see guys wide open, because guys don't know their assignments? You see this time and again, especially on 3rd down....
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season. There is also pointlessly exposing himself to a serious injury while playing for nothing.
17M is not playing for nothing.....and don't tell me he has enough money.....you mean he might get injured, in the third game and not play the last 13 and still collect 17M? Gee, that's tough.....
If anything, he would be playing for something, especially if he felt they would put an OL in front of him.....he would want to show what he could do with a functioning OL and run game....he will want to play.....the question is, do the Giants want him?
I only see this ending 3 ways: 1. Career ending injury 2. DG drafts a QB in 1st rd and Eli retires before camp. 3. He plays out his contract in 2019 then is cut. Other than #2 hes not leaving voluntarily which screws the organization until he does.
I would sign up for 4-12 right now in 2019. It should be all about Tua and possibly Fromm in the 2020 draft. I hate to say this, but Eli probably gives us a better chance at being terrible. Plus, the schedule will probably be tough with it featuring New England, Chicago, Green Bay, Minnesota, an improved SF, and 6 division games where well be lucky to win 1 or 2.
At some point in the not so distant future, we will once again have a stable veteran-laced O-line, good running game, WRs that have a strong catching radius, and a defense that can put immense pressure on the opposing team's stronger QB. And it will all come together so Eli can step up once again and play "lights out" in the playoffs in fashion that is heads above better than he typically shows during the regular season. And the Giants will ultimately win its 3rd Super Bowl with him at the helm.
Its almost laughable to think it won't happen...
Immobile QBs have won most of the recent Super Bowls Brady, Eli Peyton, Flacco and Rothlisberger.
Whether they've ruled him out already as the 2019 starter means nothing. They can rule him out the day after the season is over, if they want to.
I think DG will concentrate on improving both the OL and defensive front seven in free agency and the draft.
And just so dep doesnt coming in here to save Eli from my vicious attack ala Kevin Costner in The Bodyguard, knowing what I know now I would make the same trade and ride with Eli. Ben and Rivers are excellent QBs and you can win titles with either, but Ill always love me some Eli.
And just so dep doesnt coming in here to save Eli from my vicious attack ala Kevin Costner in The Bodyguard, knowing what I know now I would make the same trade and ride with Eli. Ben and Rivers are excellent QBs and you can win titles with either, but Ill always love me some Eli.
Ill just chime in that you're on the wrong thread :)
It seems Eli has no desire to play anywhere else and wouldn't waive his no trade clause. Ownership wouldn't try and disrespect him further after last year's embarrassing QB move.
Signing a transition QB wouldn't make any sense. They will patchwork where they can and hope Eli leads them to the the playoffs.
If there isnt a QB of the future, what do you think the Giants should do, force it? I sure as hell hope not as that will really phuque things up.
If the Giants draft a QB in the first round they need to rip the bandaid off and go through the growing pains. Get them on tree field and get experience.
If they draft one later that needs more work, there is a very good chance Eli will be back as the bridge QB. I dont see any point in bringing in a stop-gap vet. I could be wrong, but name one that will do better than Eli? I would like Eli to take a pay cut, however.
If the Giants find a vet that is a long-term answer, more power to them.
Yes, Eli on his own, and Eli and his brother have an obscene amount of money and playing under these miserable conditions, and risking, say, a blow to the head or a crushed leg is not worth it.
Taxman takes two thirds of his millions, anyway.
At some point in the not so distant future, we will once again have a stable veteran-laced O-line, good running game, WRs that have a strong catching radius, and a defense that can put immense pressure on the opposing team's stronger QB. And it will all come together so Eli can step up once again and play "lights out" in the playoffs in fashion that is heads above better than he typically shows during the regular season. And the Giants will ultimately win its 3rd Super Bowl with him at the helm.
Its almost laughable to think it won't happen...
Hey, im looking forward to it in 2156
He's healthy, he can still play and make all the throws, and now, that Shurmur has figured out how to make him productive, they can probably win some more games.