if he does stay he better take a big pay cut because he is not worth the money. That said if Kyle comes in and shows nothing they need someone to start the season. The Giants will draft a QB just not sure if he starts right away if they do.
it makes sense for the organization to keep this option open.
Especially with the QBs looming in this draft. If they didn't believe in Darnold/Rosen/Allen/Jackson, now they are going to believe in these guys? Doesn't make sense, this crop is worse.
I'd rather have Eli than a Bridgewater or a McCown.
Load up on the OL and ER and Eli's last year will be in 2019.
if there is no QB they love, why not roll out Eli for the last year. Actually, after the first Eagle game I thought it was all she wrote, but with the o line improving to bad from abysmal, Eli looks very similar to how he always has been.
Even this past debacle, he did lead team to game tying FG, and it likely would have been a go ahead TD drive if one of two penalties on Beckham were called. I know if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle and all, bht Eli can still play and forcing a new QB for one year makes little sense.
if they don't have any QBs they like in the draft, but don't bring him back at the current salary.. Its just not worth it.. tell him to take a decent pay cut and use that money on a center.. Get me a veteran who a can play center and use the draft of OL and DL..
If we are looking at 3-13 to 6-10 record with a stop gap QB there are many options cheaper than Eli..
RE: which I posted here a few months ago was the plan Â
and reading posts where he is evaluated as being able to make all the throws makes one laugh pretty hard when he misses players running open every game. the excuses are already baked in about trashing the rest of the org when they finish 5-11.
He's never even had an injury. His older brother played two years past his expiration date with a bad shoulder and it was still good enough to win a Super Bowl. Good luck replacing Eli. Lots of failed QB's were drafted in the top 5. Lauletta will have to wait his turn. The same players who raved about Davis Webb's potential haven't said a word about KL. Now watch us go and draft Kyle Shurmur three rounds higher than he's projected.....
We will continue to improve the O-line in the off season. I am hoping for a veteran RT and a veteran Center in the free agency period. Another vet two-way TE would help as well, but as far as the draft I do believe that this year is going to be all about the Defense. The talent in the front seven dictates it, and our lack of talent demands it.
Eli will be much better in his second year of this offense IF Shurmur is retained. I don't think we want to tear it down again so soon, but I wouldn't be surprised.
Not seeing an OT worth the pick at this point. I'd wager on defense.
I think it all depends where we pick. If we are somewhere between 6-10, I can see us looking at Jonah. If guys like Bosa, Ferrell, and Williams are gone before we pick.... A QB? Gary/Oliver? Cornerback Baker? I think there will be a lot of disucssion there.
It's pretty sad to see Manning play mop up for this organization during the rebuild.
The last month has given a reprieve, but this Sunday he'll be treated to reality against a fine Chicago defense.
The trajectory of team talent vs. the trajectory of Manning's decline doesn't align for the Giants.
There aren't enough draft picks or money to get this turned around in the time Manning has good football left in the tank.
It's looking like a 3 year re-build, and a bad team next year. I guess it's financially prudent to keep Manning and let he get beat like bag another year -- but that's nothing to celebrate.
Ok I’ll play. Since we’re a 3-4 and the edge rushers aren’t there apparently, unless we take Bosa in the top 2, then the best bet I think might be the LSU CB or the Alabama FS. I know the prospect of taking a DB over an explosive edge rusher or stud OT coming off 3-13 or 4-12 is a bummer, but truth be told, this team needs talent everywhere; especially on defense.
Not seeing an OT worth the pick at this point. I'd wager on defense.
DL is way to go with first rd.
They seriously need to think about extending eli after next season because there isnt likely another better replacing him in near future. They are getting any of those qbs talked about in 2020 likely (as not being in position to if wanted)
The writing is on the wall
Knineteen : 11/28/2018 10:45 pm : link : reply
Eli will be back for 2019 and possibly beyond until this franchise finds it's next future QB.
Signing a transition QB wouldn't make any sense. They will patchwork where they can and hope Eli leads them to the the playoffs.
You expect him to be playing in his 40's?
RE: I think the speculation that DG undervalues DBs Â
is probably accurate, would be shocked if he picked a DB that high. He's a front seven GM.
You sure he undervalued DB’s? I mean he gave up a third for Beal in the supplemental and refused to give up Collins unless he got a 2nd, if the KC rumors were correct at the deadline.
declares and he's there when Giants pick and they pass, I gotta think BBI might combust
He won't be there. Every team realizes that we will be interested in QBs. We are the floor for any QB worthy of a top pick. Any team that wants a QB in this draft will be looking to trade up ahead of us.
Eli will retire at the end of this year, even though it will
Reese's Pieces : 2:31 am : link : reply
put an end to your inane debate.
Taxman takes two thirds of his millions, anyway.
Fed is 37%, state 9%, or 46% without deductions....a smart tax accountant/lawyer will reduce that more....
Nothing like watching the fading career of an aging veteran Â
Like Emmitt Smith in the Arizona years. We are going to raise a generation of Giants fans who only knew an Eli with a losing career record, in seasons that are highlighted by eeeking out wins over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers or the GM raving about how he still has it in losses to Philly. They’ll remember the headlines of Odell complaining about him and fans calling for backup talents like Davis Webb and Kyle Laletta to get their shot every time he has a bad game. Then when he does eventually hit the wall, which he will, things are going to digress from sad to depressing.
only makes sense if you think this team is a contender next season.....I don't, and the 17M could be used in the rebuild...
So we use Lauletta or a journeyman for a year......what is the difference between 3-13 and 6-10/7-9? It's still a losing season.....concentrate on building blocks, not Eli's swan song season....
Only way this team is a contender is if you fix the OL and DL, and you can't do both in one season....
How did DG's plan work? Let's put a rookie at LG....he has steadily been better, but had growing pains in the beginning of the year(think that won't happen with rookies next year?)....Let's trade Jones, and have a revolving door at center, where none of them have been better than Jones....Let's sign Omameh.....Meh? Let's move Flowers to RT.....Oh, yeah.....
So we need a C(Halapio coming back is a joke), RG, and RT? After this season, think DG can do it? And what about the defense? WE hire a 3-4 defensive coach, but don't have the players to play a 3-4 defense....Brilliant! Think that is going to be fixed in one season?
You are lucky to get 2 starters from a draft.....we got two...that's it.....Carter and Hill are out there because there is no one else.....and look at the position we were picking from, at the top of every round.....
And name one FA that DG has signed that is a building block on this team?
I have no confidence in DG's so-called plan....this team will not be a contender for next season, and hard decisions have to be made on Eli, OV and several others....ownership was sold a bill of goods that this team could have a quick turnaround.....How much better is it now than it was last year?....are the prospects for the future any better than last year? The OL still is not fixed, we have no future qb, and the defense has more holes than swiss cheese....
DG, Shurm, and Bettcher.....Man did we hit the trifecta or what?
Not surprising based on organizational decisions made this year however! Eli must be forced to retire and the cap dollars saved used to build the team's trenches. We could then go out and get a stop gap QB for much less dollars and then consider drafting a guy the following year when the QBs in the draft are supposedly of much better quality. They really feel Eli can still win games for them, but if the team is in fact rebuilding, which it appears that they are, then they need to go full bore and not half ass this thing. If that means we're just as bad next year, then so be it, but if we continue drafting wisely and building up the team with additional talent, then there's no sense in bringing Eli back. Is it for nostalgia? I thought DG was better then that. Is it Mara forcing this or does Shurmur really think Eli can still be the guy next year?
Not surprising based on organizational decisions made this year however! Eli must be forced to retire and the cap dollars saved used to build the team's trenches. We could then go out and get a stop gap QB for much less dollars and then consider drafting a guy the following year when the QBs in the draft are supposedly of much better quality. They really feel Eli can still win games for them, but if the team is in fact rebuilding, which it appears that they are, then they need to go full bore and not half ass this thing. If that means we're just as bad next year, then so be it, but if we continue drafting wisely and building up the team with additional talent, then there's no sense in bringing Eli back. Is it for nostalgia? I thought DG was better then that. Is it Mara forcing this or does Shurmur really think Eli can still be the guy next year?
Put it this way. Everyone knows we are rebuilding since we are undermanned in a lot of positions.
They look at this QB class and say meh.... not seeing a future QB. They look at the FA class are are like meh.... not much. They look at Lauletta and say.... meh.... doesnt have it.
You keep Eli. Your draft is built on the trenches and get another OL and an Edge rusher. Possibly a center later on.... thats a rebuild. 2020 draft comes and they have a chance to get a future QB. Now you have 3/5th of your OL who are young. Barkley. OBJ. Probably SS and EE....
as bad as having a political thread on BBI. But take a step back and look at the big picture. Scenario 1: they had taken a QB this last draft. Your choice which one. Do you think said QB would be having any success in this scheme with this OL AND with NO BARKLEY as a diversion? Eli would either be on the bench or cut. How many of those or any QB would not have been injured with the onslaught they've faced? And what do you think Odell would be saying at his locker after a rookie QB failed to get him the ball enough?
Scenario 2: Giants ditch Eli in 2019 picking a QB in the draft and or getting a 'mobile' veteran QB. Which mobile veteran QB will be available and do you think they would do that much better in a new system than Eli would with a year under his belt? The drafted QB; do you think they would be able to step in and take this team with the porous defense and average line to the playoffs? Remember you took a QB with your top pick so you either forgo an OL or a Edge rusher or a CB which will all be needs in the off season.
Scenario 3: Keep Eli around(hopefully you can restructure and give him 2 years with the knowledge that next will be his last, cap gurus help me out with this) and IF there is a QB you love or IF a QB a falls to you in round 2 take him. Focus on the lines, offensive and defensive. I think this year ESPECIALLY, you can see the difference good lines make, both offensively and defensively. If you give the 38 year old QB 3 or 4 seconds to pass he's more than capable of moving you down field and leading a productive offense(especially in the final to minutes!). If we had the edge rushers to help our tiring DB's I believe you'd have different outcomes in at least 4 or 5 of our games. Once you have a line in place or close to set you look for a QB. A decent line WITH a runner like SB will make even an average QB that much more productive.
...1/4 of what he is ripping the Giants off for. So yes bring him back as the Giants are experts at over paying washed up players. Makes perfect sense.
...1/4 of what he is ripping the Giants off for. So yes bring him back as the Giants are experts at over paying washed up players. Makes perfect sense.
I know sorry but I am deviating from the BBI false narrative that they have no plan obviously since they drafted SB and not Darnold...
Especially with the QBs looming in this draft. If they didn't believe in Darnold/Rosen/Allen/Jackson, now they are going to believe in these guys? Doesn't make sense, this crop is worse.
I'd rather have Eli than a Bridgewater or a McCown.
Load up on the OL and ER and Eli's last year will be in 2019.
Even this past debacle, he did lead team to game tying FG, and it likely would have been a go ahead TD drive if one of two penalties on Beckham were called. I know if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle and all, bht Eli can still play and forcing a new QB for one year makes little sense.
If we are looking at 3-13 to 6-10 record with a stop gap QB there are many options cheaper than Eli..
Jonah WIlliams in the first!
Devin Bush in the 2nd!
Believe it and it will come true....haha
We will continue to improve the O-line in the off season. I am hoping for a veteran RT and a veteran Center in the free agency period. Another vet two-way TE would help as well, but as far as the draft I do believe that this year is going to be all about the Defense. The talent in the front seven dictates it, and our lack of talent demands it.
Eli will be much better in his second year of this offense IF Shurmur is retained. I don't think we want to tear it down again so soon, but I wouldn't be surprised.
I think it all depends where we pick. If we are somewhere between 6-10, I can see us looking at Jonah. If guys like Bosa, Ferrell, and Williams are gone before we pick.... A QB? Gary/Oliver? Cornerback Baker? I think there will be a lot of disucssion there.
Disagree on 3-4 ER. Josh Allen, Bosa, Ferrell and Polite are all first rounders.
The last month has given a reprieve, but this Sunday he'll be treated to reality against a fine Chicago defense.
The trajectory of team talent vs. the trajectory of Manning's decline doesn't align for the Giants.
There aren't enough draft picks or money to get this turned around in the time Manning has good football left in the tank.
It's looking like a 3 year re-build, and a bad team next year. I guess it's financially prudent to keep Manning and let he get beat like bag another year -- but that's nothing to celebrate.
Ok I’ll play. Since we’re a 3-4 and the edge rushers aren’t there apparently, unless we take Bosa in the top 2, then the best bet I think might be the LSU CB or the Alabama FS. I know the prospect of taking a DB over an explosive edge rusher or stud OT coming off 3-13 or 4-12 is a bummer, but truth be told, this team needs talent everywhere; especially on defense.
DL is way to go with first rd.
They seriously need to think about extending eli after next season because there isnt likely another better replacing him in near future. They are getting any of those qbs talked about in 2020 likely (as not being in position to if wanted)
Knineteen : 11/28/2018 10:45 pm : link : reply
Eli will be back for 2019 and possibly beyond until this franchise finds it's next future QB.
Signing a transition QB wouldn't make any sense. They will patchwork where they can and hope Eli leads them to the the playoffs.
You expect him to be playing in his 40's?
You sure he undervalued DB’s? I mean he gave up a third for Beal in the supplemental and refused to give up Collins unless he got a 2nd, if the KC rumors were correct at the deadline.
He won't be there. Every team realizes that we will be interested in QBs. We are the floor for any QB worthy of a top pick. Any team that wants a QB in this draft will be looking to trade up ahead of us.
Reese's Pieces : 2:31 am : link : reply
put an end to your inane debate.
Taxman takes two thirds of his millions, anyway.
Fed is 37%, state 9%, or 46% without deductions....a smart tax accountant/lawyer will reduce that more....
So we use Lauletta or a journeyman for a year......what is the difference between 3-13 and 6-10/7-9? It's still a losing season.....concentrate on building blocks, not Eli's swan song season....
Only way this team is a contender is if you fix the OL and DL, and you can't do both in one season....
How did DG's plan work? Let's put a rookie at LG....he has steadily been better, but had growing pains in the beginning of the year(think that won't happen with rookies next year?)....Let's trade Jones, and have a revolving door at center, where none of them have been better than Jones....Let's sign Omameh.....Meh? Let's move Flowers to RT.....Oh, yeah.....
So we need a C(Halapio coming back is a joke), RG, and RT? After this season, think DG can do it? And what about the defense? WE hire a 3-4 defensive coach, but don't have the players to play a 3-4 defense....Brilliant! Think that is going to be fixed in one season?
You are lucky to get 2 starters from a draft.....we got two...that's it.....Carter and Hill are out there because there is no one else.....and look at the position we were picking from, at the top of every round.....
And name one FA that DG has signed that is a building block on this team?
I have no confidence in DG's so-called plan....this team will not be a contender for next season, and hard decisions have to be made on Eli, OV and several others....ownership was sold a bill of goods that this team could have a quick turnaround.....How much better is it now than it was last year?....are the prospects for the future any better than last year? The OL still is not fixed, we have no future qb, and the defense has more holes than swiss cheese....
DG, Shurm, and Bettcher.....Man did we hit the trifecta or what?
Put it this way. Everyone knows we are rebuilding since we are undermanned in a lot of positions.
They look at this QB class and say meh.... not seeing a future QB. They look at the FA class are are like meh.... not much. They look at Lauletta and say.... meh.... doesnt have it.
You keep Eli. Your draft is built on the trenches and get another OL and an Edge rusher. Possibly a center later on.... thats a rebuild. 2020 draft comes and they have a chance to get a future QB. Now you have 3/5th of your OL who are young. Barkley. OBJ. Probably SS and EE....
Thats a good situation to bring in a rookie QB.
Scenario 2: Giants ditch Eli in 2019 picking a QB in the draft and or getting a 'mobile' veteran QB. Which mobile veteran QB will be available and do you think they would do that much better in a new system than Eli would with a year under his belt? The drafted QB; do you think they would be able to step in and take this team with the porous defense and average line to the playoffs? Remember you took a QB with your top pick so you either forgo an OL or a Edge rusher or a CB which will all be needs in the off season.
Scenario 3: Keep Eli around(hopefully you can restructure and give him 2 years with the knowledge that next will be his last, cap gurus help me out with this) and IF there is a QB you love or IF a QB a falls to you in round 2 take him. Focus on the lines, offensive and defensive. I think this year ESPECIALLY, you can see the difference good lines make, both offensively and defensively. If you give the 38 year old QB 3 or 4 seconds to pass he's more than capable of moving you down field and leading a productive offense(especially in the final to minutes!). If we had the edge rushers to help our tiring DB's I believe you'd have different outcomes in at least 4 or 5 of our games. Once you have a line in place or close to set you look for a QB. A decent line WITH a runner like SB will make even an average QB that much more productive.
The ghost of prime Eli -more like Dave Krieg- is not enough to get me to watch any more.
Hes not worth 5 million dollars? haha.
The ghost of prime Eli -more like Dave Krieg- is not enough to get me to watch any more.
True fan.