This morning implied Giants are extremely disappointed in Lauletta both on and off the field. Stated, they are not enamored with his work ethic, Boomer said it s a maturity issue.
This conversation was piggy backed off the topic of Shurmur bringing up Taney in press conference.
Taney evidently represents the type of professionalism NFL teams look for
Boomer in fact said, Forget Lauletta, he doesn't have what it takes.
Know many don't like Boomer, and some will dismiss by stating you stopped reading when you saw Boomer, but that doesn't change the fact that he s pretty connected to the NFL and it s inner circle.
Absolutely. I'm sort of stunned by this.
With that said, so what. You really don't know what you have until someone actually plays. There is a big difference between playing in practice and when the lights go on. It's just one of those things.
Assuming Esiason is right, I think it's still critical to see Lauletta play under live fire. Experience is the true classroom. Look at Favre (and by no means am I suggestig Lauletta has his physical skills). From all I have heard and read, Favre was not ready to play QB in the NFL when he got thrown into action when Majowski got hurt. But once he started to play he started to gradually figure things out little by little.
Maybe Lauletta is the type of player and person.
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Absolutely. I'm sort of stunned by this.
With that said, so what. You really don't know what you have until someone actually plays. There is a big difference between playing in practice and when the lights go on. It's just one of those things.
Assuming Esiason is right, I think it's still critical to see Lauletta play under live fire. Experience is the true classroom. Look at Favre (and by no means am I suggestig Lauletta has his physical skills). From all I have heard and read, Favre was not ready to play QB in the NFL when he got thrown into action when Majowski got hurt. But once he started to play he started to gradually figure things out little by little.
Maybe Lauletta is the type of player and person.
Farve had a cannon for an arm, Lauletta has a noodle.
BigBlueDownTheShore : 9:37 am : link : reply
as a 3rd string QB in the QB room over Lauletta if that's the case.
The intangibles that Davis brought with him as a 3rd stringer are unmatched.
the kind of intangibles, that no one claimed him for their roster when he was cut?
Do you mean "we" = the fans? Because the fans didn't draft Lauletta.
If you mean "we" = Giants management, then they can look at Lauletta without needing to "deserve to see" him play.
Now I know that Boylhart, like any other sports journalist, is sometimes wrong. But IMO, he gets things right much more often than Boomer.
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FatMan in Charlotte : 9:40 am : link : reply
wasn't a wasted pick.
He was a very cheap backup and filled that role until his contract was up.
Fatman we traded up for him....
And he was a wasted pick....in addition to using two picks to get him, we wasted another roster spot because we kept another qb, Painter, on the roster....
And how do you judge him as a backup when he never played and was all done with football after 2 seasons?
As for his work ethic, it was reported to be very good coming out of school. He even did that TV thing with Kirk Cousins and they talked a lot about work ethic. He seemed to have it, but who knows?
As for the driving stuff, that's really hard to fathom. He could very well have maturity issues, but I don't put any stock in what Boomer says.
Definitely agree on Boomer, he comes across as an entitled jackass. Every time I hear him on the radio he never fails to mention that he played (yeah, we know or you wouldn't be on tv or radio) and how much money the players make today (so jealous) especially Eli.
That said, Canty has said numerous times on his show that lots of players on the team want Eli benched right now because they want a more mobile QB. Ive read Canty has bad feelings to the organization because he feels he was not treated well at the end of his time here. But, I dont think hed make stuff up. Who knows?
With Boomer, he works at several different jobs & makes really good money. But, if a toll goes up a nickel, he complains like he wont be able to feed his family
1. After Webb was cut the Giants were still looking for another QB even though they still had 3 QB's on the roster and they were committed to Eli as the starter. At the time the didn't think much of Tanney or Lauletta. Shurmer says of the two he not sure who the #2 will be.
2. Tanney is named the #2 for game 1 and has been the #2 ever since.
3. A few weeks ago Shurmer says he'd be comfortable playing Tanney and that Lauletta "Has a lot to learn"
4. After his traffic bust Lauletta is interviewed. He admits that Shurmur is disappointed in him.
5. At last weeks press conference Shurmer was asked about starting Lauletta. We all know how he responded.
Allow me to translate: Lauletta stinks. At least he does according to our QB guru coach. In Shurmer's view the only way Lauletta gets into a game is if Both Eli and Tanney are hurt.
The Giants swinging and missing with a QB draft pick? No way! Who could have seen that coming???
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wasn't a wasted pick.
He was a very cheap backup and filled that role until his contract was up.
Just you would like to had have got some sort of contribution on the field from a mid rd pick(s) even if just ST's..these qbs took that.
If we didnt have Nassib, we would be paying a vet 5-10 times as much to do the same thing.
Which is more of a waste of resources?
Ah. We're back to the good old Jerry Reese days.
BigBlueDownTheShore : 9:37 am : link : reply
as a 3rd string QB in the QB room over Lauletta if that's the case.
The intangibles that Davis brought with him as a 3rd stringer are unmatched.
the kind of intangibles, that no one claimed him for their roster when he was cut?
The guy was the first one in and the last one out and knew the playbook like the back of his hand and was also a Gym Rat.
If you're going to carry a 3rd string QB that will never see the field, I take the guy with amazing work ethic over the guy that gets got arrested for running late to his job. From the what has been said, it seems Lauletta is the complete opposite of Brandon Webb including a noodle arm.
He was a very cheap backup and filled that role until his contract was up.
It's remarkable how many people fail to understand this. But then again, consider the source I suppose.
You can get these guys as free agents. They are all over the place and readily available after their first team releases them for whatever reason.
Why waste scare and valuable draft choices on guys you hope never have to play?
Because occasionally, one of them becomes Unitas, Montana, Brady, etc. It doesn't happen often, and it's foolhardy to actually expect it to happen, but that doesn't completely eliminate the potential value of the lotto ticket. Yes, mediocre backup QBs tend to be fungible assets, but those few that become more than that typically don't just end up on the scrap heap.
On top of that, players at ALL positions have a rather high washout rate once you get into the middle and late rounds of the draft. It's not like you're foregoing some sure thing at another position to draft a QB who has a slim chance of contributing.
In other words, it's still worth it to draft QBs in the middle to late rounds even if they very rarely pan out.
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Kyle has excellent leadership qualities and character and his intangibles might be the best in this draft glass of talented quarterbacks.
Now I know that Boylhart, like any other sports journalist, is sometimes wrong. But IMO, he gets things right much more often than Boomer. Link - ( New Window )
Boylhart gives out 50-60 first round grades every year. It makes it a lot easier to be right more often when you give yourself twice as many chances to do so.
I happen to like Lauletta, so I'd love to prop up Boylhart's scouting report, but he's such a hack that I can't take him seriously.
And he was a wasted pick....in addition to using two picks to get him, we wasted another roster spot because we kept another qb, Painter, on the roster....
And how do you judge him as a backup when he never played and was all done with football after 2 seasons?
The Giants kept Painter on the roster for one of the four seasons that Nassib was with the team - his rookie year. That's not uncommon.
Then again, you also think that OTs are displaying poor technique when they don't fire out forward in pass protection, so it's not surprising that your take is wrong on this as well.
These guys have never had to act in a secondary role. They have been starters and stars all their lives. The player themselves might not even know how they will react to that.
The statement was based strictly on the series of events that transpired during the bye week, the fact that it happened while he about to get an uptick in practice snaps because of a 1-7 record and the embarrassment that the incident caused the organization.
At no time did I hear that Boomer preface the remark by saying he had spoken with anyone inside or connected to the Giants.
He did say that "the Giants are extremely disappointed in Kyle Lauletta." But based upon what happened with Lauletta, is the statement really disputable?
I understand a lot of people (myself included) aren't crazy about Boomer Eisiason but I just wanted to give an objective take on this. Maybe I missed it, but the statement seemed purely opinion-based and not purported come from some inside source.
Listen below for yourself (its the first 10 minutes or so of the below radio clip) and draw your own conclusion.
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wasn't a wasted pick.
He was a very cheap backup and filled that role until his contract was up.
Just you would like to had have got some sort of contribution on the field from a mid rd pick(s) even if just ST's..these qbs took that.
If we didnt have Nassib, we would be paying a vet 5-10 times as much to do the same thing.
Which is more of a waste of resources?
Then why need a backup qb 😁
At least that wasn't my intent.
If we didnt have Nassib, we would be paying a vet 5-10 times as much to do the same thing.
Which is more of a waste of resources?
That is not even remotely true. Nassib was making $650k, most experienced backups make ~$1mill. If they hadn't traded up to get Nassib, I would have been OK with it, but they wasted 2 picks, not including the one they used on him. He is the very definition of a wasted pick.
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If that is true, Boomer should have qualified his statement as "I think the Giants are disappointed...". If he didn't qualify his statements, he is certainly giving the impression that he is basing it on some intel from within the Giants' org.
1. After Webb was cut the Giants were still looking for another QB even though they still had 3 QB's on the roster and they were committed to Eli as the starter. At the time the didn't think much of Tanney or Lauletta. Shurmer says of the two he not sure who the #2 will be.
2. Tanney is named the #2 for game 1 and has been the #2 ever since.
3. A few weeks ago Shurmer says he'd be comfortable playing Tanney and that Lauletta "Has a lot to learn"
4. After his traffic bust Lauletta is interviewed. He admits that Shurmur is disappointed in him.
5. At last weeks press conference Shurmer was asked about starting Lauletta. We all know how he responded.
Allow me to translate: Lauletta stinks. At least he does according to our QB guru coach. In Shurmer's view the only way Lauletta gets into a game is if Both Eli and Tanney are hurt.
THe lesson to be learned from this season, if any, is that what Shurmur says about his backup QBs is largely irrelevant.
You can go back and read how complementary he was of Davis Webb. It meant nothing.
If you are continually commenting on the backup QB, chances are that a QB controversy is underfoot.
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If we didnt have Nassib, we would be paying a vet 5-10 times as much to do the same thing.
Which is more of a waste of resources?
That is not even remotely true. Nassib was making $650k, most experienced backups make ~$1mill. If they hadn't traded up to get Nassib, I would have been OK with it, but they wasted 2 picks, not including the one they used on him. He is the very definition of a wasted pick.
~$1MM? Using 2018 cap numbers only, Matt Schaub makes $4.5MM; Chase Daniel, $4MM; Colt McCoy, $3.6MM; Ryan Fitzpatrick, $3.3MM; Chad Henne, $2.6MM; Drew Stanton, $2.5MM; Teddy Bridgewater, $2.3MM; Blaine Gabbert, $2.0MM; Mike Glennon, $2.0MM. That's without the really high priced backup QBs like Tyrod Taylor ($16.0MM), Nick Foles ($13.6MM) and Josh McCown ($10MM).
$1MM doesn't buy you much in the QB market. Can you fill the roster spot at that price? Absolutely. But you're getting the Alex Tanneys of the world. At least with someone like Nassib, there's the possibility that he'll emerge as a legitimate NFL QB and provide positive ROI as a trade chip.
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If we didnt have Nassib, we would be paying a vet 5-10 times as much to do the same thing.
Which is more of a waste of resources?
That is not even remotely true. Nassib was making $650k, most experienced backups make ~$1mill. If they hadn't traded up to get Nassib, I would have been OK with it, but they wasted 2 picks, not including the one they used on him. He is the very definition of a wasted pick.
~$1MM? Using 2018 cap numbers only, Matt Schaub makes $4.5MM; Chase Daniel, $4MM; Colt McCoy, $3.6MM; Ryan Fitzpatrick, $3.3MM; Chad Henne, $2.6MM; Drew Stanton, $2.5MM; Teddy Bridgewater, $2.3MM; Blaine Gabbert, $2.0MM; Mike Glennon, $2.0MM. That's without the really high priced backup QBs like Tyrod Taylor ($16.0MM), Nick Foles ($13.6MM) and Josh McCown ($10MM).
$1MM doesn't buy you much in the QB market. Can you fill the roster spot at that price? Absolutely. But you're getting the Alex Tanneys of the world. At least with someone like Nassib, there's the possibility that he'll emerge as a legitimate NFL QB and provide positive ROI as a trade chip.
How that turn out..never a possibilty
Maybe
Joe, I hope you didn't misunderstand me. I wasn't talking about you making this thread. I was talking about Boomer doing the equivalent of Click bait, by stating this as fact on his show in order to drive conversation. A bit of a shit stirrer to get things going.
The Giants had him on a cost controlled salary and he was never needed.
They basically sunk a minimal amount of money into a position that other teams are literally spending 5 times or more for.
Why is this basic, yet pertinent point eluding you?
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If we didnt have Nassib, we would be paying a vet 5-10 times as much to do the same thing.
Which is more of a waste of resources?
That is not even remotely true. Nassib was making $650k, most experienced backups make ~$1mill. If they hadn't traded up to get Nassib, I would have been OK with it, but they wasted 2 picks, not including the one they used on him. He is the very definition of a wasted pick.
~$1MM? Using 2018 cap numbers only, Matt Schaub makes $4.5MM; Chase Daniel, $4MM; Colt McCoy, $3.6MM; Ryan Fitzpatrick, $3.3MM; Chad Henne, $2.6MM; Drew Stanton, $2.5MM; Teddy Bridgewater, $2.3MM; Blaine Gabbert, $2.0MM; Mike Glennon, $2.0MM. That's without the really high priced backup QBs like Tyrod Taylor ($16.0MM), Nick Foles ($13.6MM) and Josh McCown ($10MM).
$1MM doesn't buy you much in the QB market. Can you fill the roster spot at that price? Absolutely. But you're getting the Alex Tanneys of the world. At least with someone like Nassib, there's the possibility that he'll emerge as a legitimate NFL QB and provide positive ROI as a trade chip.
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...At least with someone like Nassib, there's thepossibilitythat he'll emerge as a legitimate NFL QB and provide positive ROI as a trade chip.
How that turn out..never a possibilty
You can't use the end result to judge the relative value of the pick itself. There is literally nothing wrong with using a mid-round pick (or with packaging a mid-round pick with a late pick to move up slightly) on a backup QB, even if that QB never becomes nothing more than that. There mere possibility that he could be more than a backup makes it worthwhile.
The fact that a Tom Brady exists is proof enough that it's worth it to take chances on mid/late round QB prospects. Most won't pan out as anything more than backups. A few will be more than that. A few won't even make a roster at all. But you're going to carry 1-2 backup QBs on your roster anyway, so you might as well roll the dice every few years to see if you can unearth a gem. If you're consistently failing at it, that's likely a scouting or coaching issue, not an indictment of the practice of selecting mid/late round QBs itself.
Some fans really don't seem to understand how building a roster actually works.
If you are continually commenting on the backup QB, chances are that a QB controversy is underfoot.
This should be obvious to everyone but unfortunately it's not.
There's no reason a 5th, 6th, or 7th round pick couldn't have filled Nassib's role of "cost controlled" clipboard holder, because our season would have been over if he was ever needed to start. Flunking out of the NFL obviously happens a lot, but it shouldn't for a guy you traded up to get unless your scouting is fucked.
widmerseyebrow : 8:05 pm : link : reply
You are citing the price of backup quarterbacks who are in situations where either the starter is not as entrenched or reliable as Eli (performance or injury related) or in the case of Bridegwater, a guy that could be a good system fit if Brees hangs them up.
Look at some of the backups that have been there for entrenched QB's. Derek Anderson was the Panthers backup for years at 4 times the cost of Nassib. Colt McCoy is making a lot of money as a backup to hold for a guy the Redskins broke the bank for.
The Browns have $19M tied up in guys backing up the #1 draft pick. Matt Ryan is about as durable a QB there is and his backup is making $4M. Detroit has Matt Cassel making twice what Nassib did to backup Stafford who is durable.
Ryan and Stafford certainly are portrayed consistently as being as durable as Eli and more reliable on BBI.
Nassib filled the role he was drafted for - he was the backup QB at a low salary for multiple years.
Calling that a waste ignores the economics and roster composition - so people can keep beating that drum, but it is a really ignorant observation.
Manning isn't mobile.
He is still better then the other qbs and has played fairly well lately. Well enough to win the 2 more games if this team had a better defense.
He is their best option until 2020.
Lauletta has to grow up or go home. This isn't college. Being a professional is an adjustment. He gets a pass this year.
2020 Tua and From are going #1 and #2.
I want one of those guys.
Never said any of those things were fact. What was fact was that Boomer shared them.
I would not say something as fact that I don t know to be fact. In fact I shared the Manning mandate from Boomer, not to make the point it was true, but to find out what other s thought about the issue.
Thought that s what this board was about, presenting issues for discussion.
Some guys on BBI just left is to hear the dialogue from other Giants fans. There s not always an agenda.
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If we didnt have Nassib, we would be paying a vet 5-10 times as much to do the same thing.
Which is more of a waste of resources?
That is not even remotely true. Nassib was making $650k, most experienced backups make ~$1mill. If they hadn't traded up to get Nassib, I would have been OK with it, but they wasted 2 picks, not including the one they used on him. He is the very definition of a wasted pick.
~$1MM? Using 2018 cap numbers only, Matt Schaub makes $4.5MM; Chase Daniel, $4MM; Colt McCoy, $3.6MM; Ryan Fitzpatrick, $3.3MM; Chad Henne, $2.6MM; Drew Stanton, $2.5MM; Teddy Bridgewater, $2.3MM; Blaine Gabbert, $2.0MM; Mike Glennon, $2.0MM. That's without the really high priced backup QBs like Tyrod Taylor ($16.0MM), Nick Foles ($13.6MM) and Josh McCown ($10MM).
$1MM doesn't buy you much in the QB market. Can you fill the roster spot at that price? Absolutely. But you're getting the Alex Tanneys of the world. At least with someone like Nassib, there's the possibility that he'll emerge as a legitimate NFL QB and provide positive ROI as a trade chip.
This post should have been the discussion ender regarding whether or not Nassib was a wasted pick. But in reading the rest of this thread it's pretty obvious that some don't get it and never will.
Nassib was a cost-controlled backup who filled the role for a fraction of the salary that other teams were paying for their backup QB. That allowed the Giants to use their budget on other resources. Why is that so hard for some people to understand?
If that can be fixed, he'll have a solid NFL career.
Play the kid!
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widmerseyebrow : 8:05 pm : link : reply
You are citing the price of backup quarterbacks who are in situations where either the starter is not as entrenched or reliable as Eli (performance or injury related) or in the case of Bridegwater, a guy that could be a good system fit if Brees hangs them up.
Look at some of the backups that have been there for entrenched QB's. Derek Anderson was the Panthers backup for years at 4 times the cost of Nassib. Colt McCoy is making a lot of money as a backup to hold for a guy the Redskins broke the bank for.
The Browns have $19M tied up in guys backing up the #1 draft pick. Matt Ryan is about as durable a QB there is and his backup is making $4M. Detroit has Matt Cassel making twice what Nassib did to backup Stafford who is durable.
Ryan and Stafford certainly are portrayed consistently as being as durable as Eli and more reliable on BBI.
Nassib filled the role he was drafted for - he was the backup QB at a low salary for multiple years.
Calling that a waste ignores the economics and roster composition - so people can keep beating that drum, but it is a really ignorant observation.
Conveniently skipped the part where I said a Nassib level backup (what he was, not what Jerry mistakenly hoped he would be) could have been had in a later round without trading up. It was a stupid pick at the time and it proved out. Nowhere did I say "never draft a backup QB."
Teams are going to cheat up to stop SB because he can, and will beat them.
Best way to make them pay is going over the top, and the Giants have the team speed at WR and TE to do this, at least against single coverage. Worst thing is a QB whose ball hangs so badly that the S is never out of the play.
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If we didnt have Nassib, we would be paying a vet 5-10 times as much to do the same thing.
Which is more of a waste of resources?
That is not even remotely true. Nassib was making $650k, most experienced backups make ~$1mill. If they hadn't traded up to get Nassib, I would have been OK with it, but they wasted 2 picks, not including the one they used on him. He is the very definition of a wasted pick.
~$1MM? Using 2018 cap numbers only, Matt Schaub makes $4.5MM; Chase Daniel, $4MM; Colt McCoy, $3.6MM; Ryan Fitzpatrick, $3.3MM; Chad Henne, $2.6MM; Drew Stanton, $2.5MM; Teddy Bridgewater, $2.3MM; Blaine Gabbert, $2.0MM; Mike Glennon, $2.0MM. That's without the really high priced backup QBs like Tyrod Taylor ($16.0MM), Nick Foles ($13.6MM) and Josh McCown ($10MM).
$1MM doesn't buy you much in the QB market. Can you fill the roster spot at that price? Absolutely. But you're getting the Alex Tanneys of the world. At least with someone like Nassib, there's the possibility that he'll emerge as a legitimate NFL QB and provide positive ROI as a trade chip.
Qbs salaries have ballooned the last couple years. If this site is accurate, in 2018 there is over 260M more being spent on qbs than in 2013. In 2013 there was 56.6M spent on backup qbs with the primary backups making an average of ~1.3M. The highest paid was Hasselbeck at 3.5M. In 2018, 96M was spent with the primary backups averaging about 2.5M.
Personally I wished we went a different direction with the pick. I didn't think much of Nassib and the 4th round you can still get quality players.
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Lets look at what Shurmur has said and done.
1. After Webb was cut the Giants were still looking for another QB even though they still had 3 QB's on the roster and they were committed to Eli as the starter. At the time the didn't think much of Tanney or Lauletta. Shurmer says of the two he not sure who the #2 will be.
2. Tanney is named the #2 for game 1 and has been the #2 ever since.
3. A few weeks ago Shurmer says he'd be comfortable playing Tanney and that Lauletta "Has a lot to learn"
4. After his traffic bust Lauletta is interviewed. He admits that Shurmur is disappointed in him.
5. At last weeks press conference Shurmer was asked about starting Lauletta. We all know how he responded.
Allow me to translate: Lauletta stinks. At least he does according to our QB guru coach. In Shurmer's view the only way Lauletta gets into a game is if Both Eli and Tanney are hurt.
THe lesson to be learned from this season, if any, is that what Shurmur says about his backup QBs is largely irrelevant.
You can go back and read how complementary he was of Davis Webb. It meant nothing.