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Boomer on Lauletta

joeinpa : 11/29/2018 9:05 am
This morning implied Giants are extremely disappointed in Lauletta both on and off the field. Stated, they are not enamored with his work ethic, Boomer said it s a maturity issue.

This conversation was piggy backed off the topic of Shurmur bringing up Taney in press conference.

Taney evidently represents the type of professionalism NFL teams look for

Boomer in fact said, Forget Lauletta, he doesn't have what it takes.

Know many don't like Boomer, and some will dismiss by stating you stopped reading when you saw Boomer, but that doesn't change the fact that he s pretty connected to the NFL and it s inner circle.

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Once Lauletta had the police incident  
BigBlueinChicago : 11/29/2018 9:08 am : link
You could have set his over/under on snaps taken for the 2018 season at 1 and feel very safe at taking the under.

It gave the Giants an out to not play him. I don't think they were going to play him anyway because the remaining schedule provides them with a convenient reason for doing so if you examine it closely.
if that's true...  
ryanmkeane : 11/29/2018 9:09 am : link
that sucks big time
Is he connected to people in this particular situation?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/29/2018 9:10 am : link
That's what counts.
Completely wasted pick  
BillT : 11/29/2018 9:15 am : link
Even ignoring his maturity issues (which should have been vetted more thoroughly) he was a marginal talent that had a very small chance to ever be an NFL starter. So we drafted him why? Didn't we already have that in Webb. Two picks later the Rams picked Brian Allen, C, Michigan State. What? We already had too many good OLs.
Hammer  
joeinpa : 11/29/2018 9:16 am : link
Don t know. But I m guessing he s heard something that made him comfortable sharing
Davis Webb...  
Capt. Don : 11/29/2018 9:17 am : link
I was one of many who was excited to see what Davis Webb could do in the regular season. It seems I was overly optimistic bc no other NFL GM agreed with me.

That said, no one can say that he wasnt a pro and a hard worker.

If true, this is a shame.
I question how plugged in Boomer is with the Giants,  
Section331 : 11/29/2018 9:18 am : link
and this is counter to everything we heard coming from the Giants in preseason. That was all about how smart and coachable Lauletta was and how hard he worked. Now, I'm not so naive to believe everything that comes out of camp, but usually you will hear some whispers.

If any of this is true, it does not shine a positive light on Giants' scouting. This is the kind of stuff they need to find out. Interview his coaches, his teammates, even opponents. He was a 4th round pick, not a FA off the street.
I know most people dismissed his actions,  
RottenApple : 11/29/2018 9:18 am : link
but red flags should have been raised once he was racing to practice because he was going to be late. This going into a bye week and talk of him possibly getting extra practice time. What does he do? He almost runs over a police officer because he was running late to practice. I'm sure Manning was already at the facility for a few hours, and I bet Webb would have been there as well. This guy will never play a down for this team. Just another wasted pick added to a very long list.
The o-linemen  
Pete in MD : 11/29/2018 9:23 am : link
taken after BL have not really shown anything so far with the exception of the UDFA starting for Cleveland. The guy the Saints drafted in the 4th has been cut by three teams, the guy the Packers drafted in the 4th or 5th didn't report to camp. The two OTs that dropped unexpectedly (from Oregon and Ohio St) haven't seen the field.
RE: Hammer  
Eman11 : 11/29/2018 9:24 am : link
In comment 14196666 joeinpa said:
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Don t know. But I m guessing he s heard something that made him comfortable sharing


You would think that's the case but he never said "I'm hearing" or "sources told me" he said he feels that's the case.

I had a problem with him stating his opinion as fact without having anything to back it up. He must have said "I think" or "I feel" a half dozen times during that segment, and he had plenty of opportunity to mention where he got this info if in fact was more than just his opinion.

I think this was the equivalent of click bait on his part to throw something out there to drive some conversation and calls to his show.
This applies to the Giants of late:  
Doomster : 11/29/2018 9:25 am : link
The more things change, the more they stay the same....
Who knows what is true.  
Pete in MD : 11/29/2018 9:27 am : link
There was "insider" info a few weeks ago that said Lauletta was doing really well in practice but his run-in with police was a set-back. Boomer often talks out of his ass. He may have some real insight but I wouldn't take his opinion as gospel.
I don't trust Boomer and I don't think Lauletta's a wasted pick  
Dinger : 11/29/2018 9:27 am : link
but it goes to show how tough it is to be an NFL QB. Webb supposedly had the work ethic but seems his demeanor wasn't right. Its kinda telling that they haven't had Lauletta on the active roster with all the turnover they've had. Makes a little sense as to Pats comment about skipping over Tanney. Boomer may not be 'tapped' into the Giants, but he does have NFL connections and had a long career. I think he may 'understand' whats going on better than most here. Still hate him and don't trust him.
If Boomer..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/29/2018 9:29 am : link
has any ties to the team, it is through Tisch.

What people fail to realize is that there are very few football people who give Boomer the time of day. He is highly disliked and he's not getting fed legitimate information, which is why so many times he'll state something only to have it never even come close to fruition

Lauletta most definitely could be in the doghouse for the police incident. But any commentary by Boomer is likely just his own blowhard opinion presented strongly so it looks like he has some sort of inside track.

Go and look at some of Boomer's past observations and see how many actually came to be.
RE: I question how plugged in Boomer is with the Giants,  
Dan in the Springs : 11/29/2018 9:30 am : link
In comment 14196675 Section331 said:
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and this is counter to everything we heard coming from the Giants in preseason. That was all about how smart and coachable Lauletta was and how hard he worked. Now, I'm not so naive to believe everything that comes out of camp, but usually you will hear some whispers.

If any of this is true, it does not shine a positive light on Giants' scouting. This is the kind of stuff they need to find out. Interview his coaches, his teammates, even opponents. He was a 4th round pick, not a FA off the street.


Well it's one thing to be focused and dedicated to your craft when you're in camp, competing for a spot on the 53 shortly after being drafted.

It's another when you're reduced to running the practice squad with virtually no practice reps on a daily basis. Lots of guys let their work ethic slip.

I'd say since he made the team out of camp, he must have been thought of highly by the org, and any change in the org's opinion would be due to behaviors during the regular season.
To me this is clearly opinion and nothing of fact  
jv : 11/29/2018 9:30 am : link
It's an opinion you can easily derive from:
1. Running late to the Giants facility (On at least 2 occasions based on the police report)
2. Lauletta hasn't taken over Tanney's spot on the depth chart yet. (which I think likely means nothing at this point)
I think he's a wasted pick  
Joey in VA : 11/29/2018 9:30 am : link
I did in April and nothing tells me differently now. That said f Boomer.
And the thread starter..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/29/2018 9:33 am : link
has to stop using Boomer as a reliable source. He does it frequently

He's used Boomer's comments earlier in the year to conclude that Mara forced Gettleman and Shurmur to keep Eli and build around him, which was another time Boomer used his own commentary.

Boomer also thought that the Giants were going to bench eli after the bye, and since that didn't happen, he's likely throwing shade on Lauletta for it.
RE: If Boomer..  
Big Blue '56 : 11/29/2018 9:34 am : link
In comment 14196698 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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has any ties to the team, it is through Tisch.

What people fail to realize is that there are very few football people who give Boomer the time of day. He is highly disliked and he's not getting fed legitimate information, which is why so many times he'll state something only to have it never even come close to fruition

Lauletta most definitely could be in the doghouse for the police incident. But any commentary by Boomer is likely just his own blowhard opinion presented strongly so it looks like he has some sort of inside track.

Go and look at some of Boomer's past observations and see how many actually came to be.


I don’t know squat about Lauletta, but anything Boomer says you can divide by 10
I was randomly  
Pete in MD : 11/29/2018 9:34 am : link
placed in a golf foursome with a guy who was one of Boomer's back-ups at Maryland (he didn't offer this info, I figured it out from chatting with him on the course.) It was pretty obvious he was not a big fan. He said things like, "Boomer is an interesting character, he thinks very highly of himself."
I'd take Davis Webb  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 11/29/2018 9:37 am : link
as a 3rd string QB in the QB room over Lauletta if that's the case.

The intangibles that Davis brought with him as a 3rd stringer are unmatched.
RE: Completely wasted pick  
micky : 11/29/2018 9:39 am : link
In comment 14196664 BillT said:
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Even ignoring his maturity issues (which should have been vetted more thoroughly) he was a marginal talent that had a very small chance to ever be an NFL starter. So we drafted him why? Didn't we already have that in Webb. Two picks later the Rams picked Brian Allen, C, Michigan State. What? We already had too many good OLs.


Not only was him, but Webb and Nassib took up mid rd picks that were wasted
Nassib..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/29/2018 9:40 am : link
wasn't a wasted pick.

He was a very cheap backup and filled that role until his contract was up.
I think that  
dep026 : 11/29/2018 9:40 am : link
we had to high of expectations for a 3rd and 4th round pick. I mean Webb was always a terrible pick. He wasnt even good in college.

Lauletta was the ultimate reach pick. I am not sure what his future holds. But he is going to have next preseason to show if he is even worthy of a roster spot.

With that all being said....it looks like Eli is going to be back next regardless if we draft a QB in round 1.
RE: I'd take Davis Webb  
mfsd : 11/29/2018 9:41 am : link
In comment 14196716 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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as a 3rd string QB in the QB room over Lauletta if that's the case.

The intangibles that Davis brought with him as a 3rd stringer are unmatched.


On balance I agree, but I think Webb talked his way off the roster with his running commentary in the media pre season. A backup QB who hasn’t done shit yet shouldn’t ever be quoted in the paper
RE: Nassib..  
ryanmkeane : 11/29/2018 9:41 am : link
In comment 14196722 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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wasn't a wasted pick.

He was a very cheap backup and filled that role until his contract was up.

He didn't play a single down in his career and he was a 4th round pick. It was a complete waste of a draft pick, complete waste of draft capital.
Well that sounds the complete opposite of how Lauletta was....  
Britt in VA : 11/29/2018 9:42 am : link
here in Richmond.
RE: I question how plugged in Boomer is with the Giants,  
BigBlueinChicago : 11/29/2018 9:44 am : link
In comment 14196675 Section331 said:
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and this is counter to everything we heard coming from the Giants in preseason. That was all about how smart and coachable Lauletta was and how hard he worked. Now, I'm not so naive to believe everything that comes out of camp, but usually you will hear some whispers.

If any of this is true, it does not shine a positive light on Giants' scouting. This is the kind of stuff they need to find out. Interview his coaches, his teammates, even opponents. He was a 4th round pick, not a FA off the street.


You haven't noticed over the last two years that the Giants organization (and the "mouthpieces" for the team in the media) has built up a nice history that ranges between overselling (at best) to lying (at worst) when it comes to information on players?

Nassib's role..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/29/2018 9:45 am : link
was that of a backup QB.

Him not playing isn't a reflection on his abilities - it is more of a reflection of Eli's durability. It's like saying Jimmy G or Ryan Mallett were wasted draft picks.
RE: Nassib..  
micky : 11/29/2018 9:49 am : link
In comment 14196722 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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wasn't a wasted pick.

He was a very cheap backup and filled that role until his contract was up.


Just you would like to had have got some sort of contribution on the field from a mid rd pick(s) even if just ST's..these qbs took that.
A 4th round or later pick  
chuckydee9 : 11/29/2018 9:53 am : link
Can hardly be called wasted..
RE: I was randomly  
Boy Cord : 11/29/2018 10:01 am : link
In comment 14196713 Pete in MD said:
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placed in a golf foursome with a guy who was one of Boomer's back-ups at Maryland (he didn't offer this info, I figured it out from chatting with him on the course.) It was pretty obvious he was not a big fan. He said things like, "Boomer is an interesting character, he thinks very highly of himself."


I would love to know whom you spoke with but know you can’t say. I want to ask for a clue, but it would be a dead giveaway, like did he ever subsequently start for the Terps (other than Reich) or did his dad coach in the NFL? But, I will respect the anonymity and not ask. :o)
So they had a work ethic guy in Webb  
Shecky : 11/29/2018 10:03 am : link
Who they never gave a single snap to as a reward

And now they have a guy who they don’t like his work ethic, and punish him by not giving him a single snap.

Great message being sent to the young guys lol
I thought I had read on BBI somewhere  
Mike in Prescott : 11/29/2018 10:11 am : link
that the 2 back-up QBs were getting an equal number of practice snaps. That would not fit the above narrative.
Eman11  
joeinpa : 11/29/2018 10:12 am : link
Click bait?

Maybe
All evidence points to...  
GiantsRage2007 : 11/29/2018 10:21 am : link
The fact that it's hard to envision the Giants turning the QB position over from Eli to a 3rd or 4th round pick (Webb or Lauletta).

Which leaves us to...Draft OL & DL this upcoming year to solidify the trenches.

But then do we wait anther year to draft a qb high? or get on in FA?

Oh boy.. this might stay ugly for a few years.

Boomer is an ass and always has been  
David B. : 11/29/2018 10:22 am : link
In the brief preseason work he got, Lauletta -- to me looked a lot more QB-savvy than Davis Webb ever did. He made quicker/better decisions, and was a lot more accurate than Webb.

As for his work ethic, it was reported to be very good coming out of school. He even did that TV thing with Kirk Cousins and they talked a lot about work ethic. He seemed to have it, but who knows?

As for the driving stuff, that's really hard to fathom. He could very well have maturity issues, but I don't put any stock in what Boomer says.

RE: All evidence points to...  
RottenApple : 11/29/2018 10:23 am : link
In comment 14196785 GiantsRage2007 said:
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The fact that it's hard to envision the Giants turning the QB position over from Eli to a 3rd or 4th round pick (Webb or Lauletta).

Which leaves us to...Draft OL & DL this upcoming year to solidify the trenches.

But then do we wait anther year to draft a qb high? or get on in FA?

Oh boy.. this might stay ugly for a few years.


As the prime of their skilled players is wasted.
Why do so many posters get infuriated with drafting QB’s?  
Sean : 11/29/2018 10:24 am : link
The Saints have the best QB in the NFL this season & traded an asset for Bridgewater.
Hes a 4th round pick  
Giants86 : 11/29/2018 10:28 am : link
I never expected anything much less him being our starting QB going forward.
Fatman  
joeinpa : 11/29/2018 10:31 am : link
I ll share things Boomer states about the team this site is dedicated to whenever I deem it interesting.

He s certainly as creditable as much of the other info shared here.



Know what, instead of telling me what to do, why don't you back up some of your statements with detail.

For example, "Boomer s disliked all around the NFL". maybe he is, but how about sharing how you know this


Also, I didn't make an argument that his take on Lauletta is true or false. I made the case that an NFL quarterback who now serves on a major network covering the NFL, who is also friends with Phil Simms, a guy who might or might not have insight on the Giants, made an observation about a Giant quarterback

Are you really making the case this was an inappropriate post on a Giants site? Really?

Boomer has enough Credibility to believe  
Rafflee : 11/29/2018 10:36 am : link

Opinions on when Eli will be pulled are quite different than those He expressed about "Work Ethic". It's a big decision GO THERE...and I would hesitate to think that Boomer would offer that opinion/insight lightly.

He may be a Haughty A-Hole or not...but Boomer's statement on such a thing as WORK ETHIC graduates well beyond any insight that could be guessed about Lauletta's traffic violation.|


Boomer has a way of being completely wrong, so I'm very  
Ira : 11/29/2018 10:38 am : link
encouraged by his comments on Lauletta.
Writing off this QB at this point...  
BillKo : 11/29/2018 10:41 am : link
...is ridiculous.

I'll be anxious to see what a year under his belt will provide next preseason.
Boomer..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/29/2018 10:43 am : link
is credible?

I've shared my take on Boomer many times. From the time he was snubbed on the field at the Pro Bowl practice his first year after retiring to the times he has been trashed at the Combine for being an arrogant jackass who has tried to climb the ladder by stating opinions presented as fact.

I said you have a habit of posting things he says as facts. You've said that the Giants had a mandate to keep Manning and used Boomer as support of that take.

Go back and look at some of the things he's said about this team that have been showed to not happen. At the end of last year, he said Eli would not be back. When eli returns, he says it is because of a mandate given by the owner. He stated that he "heard" Eli would be benched following the bye. When that didn't happen, he says that Lauletta has fallen out of favor with the staff.

I've only seen universal dislike for two guys in the NFL circles. Sean Salisbury and Boomer Esiason. You could possibly add Roman Gabriel into the mix, but the dislike for him was almost all because of alcohol induced events(probably Salisbury's too!)

Years ago, I would have included Joe Thiesmann in that comment, but in recent years, I've heard some people come around on him and I think that stance has softened.

Not many people like Boomer and thus, he isn't getting fed legitimate info.

Please point to some examples of where he has actually had insight worth sharing?
ANY QB pick after the first  
Red Dog : 11/29/2018 10:44 am : link
or the top of the second is very likely to be a wasted pick.

You can get these guys as free agents. They are all over the place and readily available after their first team releases them for whatever reason.

Why waste scare and valuable draft choices on guys you hope never have to play?
RE: The o-linemen  
gmenatlarge : 11/29/2018 10:46 am : link
In comment 14196685 Pete in MD said:
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taken after BL have not really shown anything so far with the exception of the UDFA starting for Cleveland. The guy the Saints drafted in the 4th has been cut by three teams, the guy the Packers drafted in the 4th or 5th didn't report to camp. The two OTs that dropped unexpectedly (from Oregon and Ohio St) haven't seen the field.


Doesn't mean they couldn't have played on this giants team, aren't they starting a castoff?
RE: ANY QB pick after the first  
gmenatlarge : 11/29/2018 10:48 am : link
In comment 14196814 Red Dog said:
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or the top of the second is very likely to be a wasted pick.

You can get these guys as free agents. They are all over the place and readily available after their first team releases them for whatever reason.

Why waste scare and valuable draft choices on guys you hope never have to play?


It's a giants tradition...Nassib, Webb, Lauletta!
So it's a bad pick  
PaulN : 11/29/2018 10:50 am : link
Next season and the year after is when we will get our next QB, whether in the draft or free agency or trade, we will be bringing in a new QB next season and it may not be over after next season either.

The other issue is the Odell Beckham issue, he will be traded this off season and you can take that to the bank, they are not dumping Shurmur after one season, they are committed, and I don't agree with it at all, but it is what is going to happen.

They will acquire multiple picks including a first rounder plus other picks or/and players, the Giants will need to add another offensive lineman, a pass rusher or 2, a cornerback, although this kid from Penn State looks to be a keeper, plus we have the 3rd round supplemental draft pick that got hurt. I still think we will add a cornerback, because they will be dumping Vernon this off season and the following off season will see Jenkins dumped.


This rebuild will take time, no doubt, I only pray they get the right head coach in here eventually, while they are rebuilding and we still have Eli, I will live with the horrors of this bad head coach, I am thinking he will be here next season and the season after will be his last. The team should be ready to compete with the new QB by the 2021 season. Hard to swallow but this is the way I see it. There are no shortcuts to this.
In addition to what FatMan said above  
Chris684 : 11/29/2018 10:51 am : link
It's so obvious who Boomer Esiason is.

He is the ultimate frat douche bag who everyone thought was a tool growing up.

I'd be willing to take more of his opinions seriously if he didn't blatantly ooze jealousy when trying to discuss Eli Manning. Money is usually the first thing he points to, but he's had the nerve to hint at Eli not "competing" or that he "benched himself" last year. He bases his favorable opinions around guys he deems to be hard ass meatheads and loves the rah-rah bullshit.

His comments on his fraud former partner are also an embarrassment.
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