This morning implied Giants are extremely disappointed in Lauletta both on and off the field. Stated, they are not enamored with his work ethic, Boomer said it s a maturity issue.
This conversation was piggy backed off the topic of Shurmur bringing up Taney in press conference.
Taney evidently represents the type of professionalism NFL teams look for
Boomer in fact said, Forget Lauletta, he doesn't have what it takes.
Know many don't like Boomer, and some will dismiss by stating you stopped reading when you saw Boomer, but that doesn't change the fact that he s pretty connected to the NFL and it s inner circle.
Never said any of those things were fact. What was fact was that Boomer shared them.
I would not say something as fact that I don t know to be fact. In fact I shared the Manning mandate from Boomer, not to make the point it was true, but to find out what other s thought about the issue.
Thought that s what this board was about, presenting issues for discussion.
Some guys on BBI just left is to hear the dialogue from other Giants fans. There s not always an agenda.
The idea Eli "benched himself" took off after Boomer said it.
The idea that there was a mandate by ownership to build around Eli, and that this was a requirement for the GM and Coach has been readily accepted as fact by many posters.
I'd actually challenge posters to provide something Boomer has said that has actually been proven to happen.
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taken after BL have not really shown anything so far with the exception of the UDFA starting for Cleveland. The guy the Saints drafted in the 4th has been cut by three teams, the guy the Packers drafted in the 4th or 5th didn't report to camp. The two OTs that dropped unexpectedly (from Oregon and Ohio St) haven't seen the field.
Doesn't mean they couldn't have played on this giants team, aren't they starting a castoff?
I'm saying that calling it a wasted pick at this point is silly. The o-linemen drafted after him have shown just as much as he has (nothing.) UDFA Desmond Harrison is the lone exception but he's the type of player the Giants don't usually sign because he had so many issues in the past.
He tried to kill Gilligan and The Skipper.
That being said, I certainly hope to be proven wrong. I hope this Boomer verbiage is just Boomer BS.
Lauletta is a marginal talent, as are so many in the NFL. Who is successful and move beyond marginal? Those who work their ass off. Lauletta better be a hard worker, because he doesn't have the natural talent to stick otherwise. His arm is too weak.
It probably wasn't on the radar of most fans, but he coached a team out of Raleigh in the early 90's in the old WLAF. Not only was the team the only one to not win a game that season - they are one of the few teams in the history of sports to never win a game, period. Stories about Gabriel showing up plastered and unable to coach are retold at many of the coaches events. Mick Mixson who now is an announcer for the Panthers mentioned how ironic it was for Gabriel to be drunk at those games since at the time, alcohol sales weren't allowed at Carter-Finley stadium.
Basically, Gabriel lost his jobs and his friendships due to alcohol. He was canned by CBS in the late 70's for being drunk on air. His ties with former teammtes, coaches and friends has been strained.
He's living in SC now, but he's been divorced three times and his 5 kids have nothing to do with him. I think Mixson said Gabriel's never even seen a few of his grandkids.
I think he may be sober now, but he had a stroke and heart problems in recent years which has left him in very poor health.
However, I do know the Giants history in drafting QBs outside the 1st round:
Craig Kupp [1990] 5th round
Larry Wanke [1991] 12th round
Kent Graham [1992] 8th round
Mike Cherry [1997] 6th
Danny Kanell [1996] 4th
Jesse Palmer [2001] 4th
Andre Woodson [2008] 6th
Rhett Bomar [2009] 5th
Ryan Nassib [2013] 4th
Davis Webb [2017] 3rd
And then we get to the draft pick so many on BBI are sooooo anxious to see play in 2018 because THIS TIME things are SOOOO DIFFERENT than the above history:
Kyle Lauletta [2018] 4th
All I can do is shake my head at the laughability factor on BBI. My guess is most of those demanding Lauletta get some starts in 2018 because the Giants must see Lauletta so "we" can know what we have before the 2019 draft (i.e. he's so good we can ignore drafting a QB in the 1st round of 2019)
Boomer may be a jerk and you may not like any of his talk-show opinions, but why is it so hard to believe that the Giants are not enamored with Lauletta's work ethic?
Here's what we do know...
Lauletta was stopped by police for making an illegal turn and for "almost running over a cop".
And KL tried to make this illegal turn because he was RUNNING LATE to practice.
Doesn't this suggest that KL MIGHT not have the best work ethic?
With talk that KL might have a chance to start sometime soon, he's running LATE to practice? Are you f**king kidding me?
Does anyone think that Eli hadn't already been at practice for an hour or more on the day KL was running late?
Does anyone think that Webb wouldn't have been at practice for hours if he had still been on the team?
And didn't KL also refuse to roll down his window and/or also initially refuse to get out of his car when the cop asked him to do so?
When people describe the work habits of the most successful QBs in the NFL they often use the phrase... "first one in, last one out." When have you ever heard of Brady, Brees, Rodgers or Eli "running late" to practice?
Again, you can think that Boomer is an a-hole and that he even makes shit up, but given what we know, why is it so hard to believe that the Giants aren't exactly "enamored with KL's work ethic"?
He is the ultimate frat douche bag who everyone thought was a tool growing up.
I'd be willing to take more of his opinions seriously if he didn't blatantly ooze jealousy when trying to discuss Eli Manning. Money is usually the first thing he points to, but he's had the nerve to hint at Eli not "competing" or that he "benched himself" last year. He bases his favorable opinions around guys he deems to be hard ass meatheads and loves the rah-rah bullshit.
His comments on his fraud former partner are also an embarrassment.
Spot on re: former partner. He offers the garbage if youve ever known anyone dealing with an addiction excuse for Carton, then regularly comments on point spreads and over/unders for random games, acting like gambling is the coolest thing to do.
Hes a total fucking fraud.
Jerkoffs.
I originally though his arrest would mean that he wouldn't play this year regardless of our record, but I now agree that he probably will. The Giants will want to get some information about him as they head into the offseason with another high first round pick. They won't want to repeat the same mistake they made with Webb.
I also agree with JonC that right now my tentative prediction is for an ER, not a QB or an OT, in the first round. That likelihood increases if Vernon is cut. But we are of course a long way away from the draft.
I still think Eli will be cut or retire. He can play, but $17M is too much.
Jerkoffs.
Ummm...that's kind of what the Giants have done in 3 of the last 6 drafts if Lauletta never ends up playing.
Absolutely. I'm sort of stunned by this.
With that said, so what. You really don't know what you have until someone actually plays. There is a big difference between playing in practice and when the lights go on. It's just one of those things.
Assuming Esiason is right, I think it's still critical to see Lauletta play under live fire. Experience is the true classroom. Look at Favre (and by no means am I suggestig Lauletta has his physical skills). From all I have heard and read, Favre was not ready to play QB in the NFL when he got thrown into action when Majowski got hurt. But once he started to play he started to gradually figure things out little by little.
Maybe Lauletta is the type of player and person.
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Absolutely. I'm sort of stunned by this.
With that said, so what. You really don't know what you have until someone actually plays. There is a big difference between playing in practice and when the lights go on. It's just one of those things.
Assuming Esiason is right, I think it's still critical to see Lauletta play under live fire. Experience is the true classroom. Look at Favre (and by no means am I suggestig Lauletta has his physical skills). From all I have heard and read, Favre was not ready to play QB in the NFL when he got thrown into action when Majowski got hurt. But once he started to play he started to gradually figure things out little by little.
Maybe Lauletta is the type of player and person.
Farve had a cannon for an arm, Lauletta has a noodle.
BigBlueDownTheShore : 9:37 am : link : reply
as a 3rd string QB in the QB room over Lauletta if that's the case.
The intangibles that Davis brought with him as a 3rd stringer are unmatched.
the kind of intangibles, that no one claimed him for their roster when he was cut?
Do you mean "we" = the fans? Because the fans didn't draft Lauletta.
If you mean "we" = Giants management, then they can look at Lauletta without needing to "deserve to see" him play.
Now I know that Boylhart, like any other sports journalist, is sometimes wrong. But IMO, he gets things right much more often than Boomer.
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FatMan in Charlotte : 9:40 am : link : reply
wasn't a wasted pick.
He was a very cheap backup and filled that role until his contract was up.
Fatman we traded up for him....
And he was a wasted pick....in addition to using two picks to get him, we wasted another roster spot because we kept another qb, Painter, on the roster....
And how do you judge him as a backup when he never played and was all done with football after 2 seasons?
As for his work ethic, it was reported to be very good coming out of school. He even did that TV thing with Kirk Cousins and they talked a lot about work ethic. He seemed to have it, but who knows?
As for the driving stuff, that's really hard to fathom. He could very well have maturity issues, but I don't put any stock in what Boomer says.
Definitely agree on Boomer, he comes across as an entitled jackass. Every time I hear him on the radio he never fails to mention that he played (yeah, we know or you wouldn't be on tv or radio) and how much money the players make today (so jealous) especially Eli.
That said, Canty has said numerous times on his show that lots of players on the team want Eli benched right now because they want a more mobile QB. Ive read Canty has bad feelings to the organization because he feels he was not treated well at the end of his time here. But, I dont think hed make stuff up. Who knows?
With Boomer, he works at several different jobs & makes really good money. But, if a toll goes up a nickel, he complains like he wont be able to feed his family
1. After Webb was cut the Giants were still looking for another QB even though they still had 3 QB's on the roster and they were committed to Eli as the starter. At the time the didn't think much of Tanney or Lauletta. Shurmer says of the two he not sure who the #2 will be.
2. Tanney is named the #2 for game 1 and has been the #2 ever since.
3. A few weeks ago Shurmer says he'd be comfortable playing Tanney and that Lauletta "Has a lot to learn"
4. After his traffic bust Lauletta is interviewed. He admits that Shurmur is disappointed in him.
5. At last weeks press conference Shurmer was asked about starting Lauletta. We all know how he responded.
Allow me to translate: Lauletta stinks. At least he does according to our QB guru coach. In Shurmer's view the only way Lauletta gets into a game is if Both Eli and Tanney are hurt.
The Giants swinging and missing with a QB draft pick? No way! Who could have seen that coming???
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wasn't a wasted pick.
He was a very cheap backup and filled that role until his contract was up.
Just you would like to had have got some sort of contribution on the field from a mid rd pick(s) even if just ST's..these qbs took that.
If we didnt have Nassib, we would be paying a vet 5-10 times as much to do the same thing.
Which is more of a waste of resources?
Ah. We're back to the good old Jerry Reese days.
BigBlueDownTheShore : 9:37 am : link : reply
as a 3rd string QB in the QB room over Lauletta if that's the case.
The intangibles that Davis brought with him as a 3rd stringer are unmatched.
the kind of intangibles, that no one claimed him for their roster when he was cut?
The guy was the first one in and the last one out and knew the playbook like the back of his hand and was also a Gym Rat.
If you're going to carry a 3rd string QB that will never see the field, I take the guy with amazing work ethic over the guy that gets got arrested for running late to his job. From the what has been said, it seems Lauletta is the complete opposite of Brandon Webb including a noodle arm.
He was a very cheap backup and filled that role until his contract was up.
It's remarkable how many people fail to understand this. But then again, consider the source I suppose.
You can get these guys as free agents. They are all over the place and readily available after their first team releases them for whatever reason.
Why waste scare and valuable draft choices on guys you hope never have to play?
Because occasionally, one of them becomes Unitas, Montana, Brady, etc. It doesn't happen often, and it's foolhardy to actually expect it to happen, but that doesn't completely eliminate the potential value of the lotto ticket. Yes, mediocre backup QBs tend to be fungible assets, but those few that become more than that typically don't just end up on the scrap heap.
On top of that, players at ALL positions have a rather high washout rate once you get into the middle and late rounds of the draft. It's not like you're foregoing some sure thing at another position to draft a QB who has a slim chance of contributing.
In other words, it's still worth it to draft QBs in the middle to late rounds even if they very rarely pan out.
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Kyle has excellent leadership qualities and character and his intangibles might be the best in this draft glass of talented quarterbacks.
Now I know that Boylhart, like any other sports journalist, is sometimes wrong. But IMO, he gets things right much more often than Boomer. Link - ( New Window )
Boylhart gives out 50-60 first round grades every year. It makes it a lot easier to be right more often when you give yourself twice as many chances to do so.
I happen to like Lauletta, so I'd love to prop up Boylhart's scouting report, but he's such a hack that I can't take him seriously.
And he was a wasted pick....in addition to using two picks to get him, we wasted another roster spot because we kept another qb, Painter, on the roster....
And how do you judge him as a backup when he never played and was all done with football after 2 seasons?
The Giants kept Painter on the roster for one of the four seasons that Nassib was with the team - his rookie year. That's not uncommon.
Then again, you also think that OTs are displaying poor technique when they don't fire out forward in pass protection, so it's not surprising that your take is wrong on this as well.
These guys have never had to act in a secondary role. They have been starters and stars all their lives. The player themselves might not even know how they will react to that.
The statement was based strictly on the series of events that transpired during the bye week, the fact that it happened while he about to get an uptick in practice snaps because of a 1-7 record and the embarrassment that the incident caused the organization.
At no time did I hear that Boomer preface the remark by saying he had spoken with anyone inside or connected to the Giants.
He did say that "the Giants are extremely disappointed in Kyle Lauletta." But based upon what happened with Lauletta, is the statement really disputable?
I understand a lot of people (myself included) aren't crazy about Boomer Eisiason but I just wanted to give an objective take on this. Maybe I missed it, but the statement seemed purely opinion-based and not purported come from some inside source.
Listen below for yourself (its the first 10 minutes or so of the below radio clip) and draw your own conclusion.
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wasn't a wasted pick.
He was a very cheap backup and filled that role until his contract was up.
Just you would like to had have got some sort of contribution on the field from a mid rd pick(s) even if just ST's..these qbs took that.
If we didnt have Nassib, we would be paying a vet 5-10 times as much to do the same thing.
Which is more of a waste of resources?
Then why need a backup qb 😁
At least that wasn't my intent.
If we didnt have Nassib, we would be paying a vet 5-10 times as much to do the same thing.
Which is more of a waste of resources?
That is not even remotely true. Nassib was making $650k, most experienced backups make ~$1mill. If they hadn't traded up to get Nassib, I would have been OK with it, but they wasted 2 picks, not including the one they used on him. He is the very definition of a wasted pick.
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If that is true, Boomer should have qualified his statement as "I think the Giants are disappointed...". If he didn't qualify his statements, he is certainly giving the impression that he is basing it on some intel from within the Giants' org.
1. After Webb was cut the Giants were still looking for another QB even though they still had 3 QB's on the roster and they were committed to Eli as the starter. At the time the didn't think much of Tanney or Lauletta. Shurmer says of the two he not sure who the #2 will be.
2. Tanney is named the #2 for game 1 and has been the #2 ever since.
3. A few weeks ago Shurmer says he'd be comfortable playing Tanney and that Lauletta "Has a lot to learn"
4. After his traffic bust Lauletta is interviewed. He admits that Shurmur is disappointed in him.
5. At last weeks press conference Shurmer was asked about starting Lauletta. We all know how he responded.
Allow me to translate: Lauletta stinks. At least he does according to our QB guru coach. In Shurmer's view the only way Lauletta gets into a game is if Both Eli and Tanney are hurt.
THe lesson to be learned from this season, if any, is that what Shurmur says about his backup QBs is largely irrelevant.
You can go back and read how complementary he was of Davis Webb. It meant nothing.
If you are continually commenting on the backup QB, chances are that a QB controversy is underfoot.
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If we didnt have Nassib, we would be paying a vet 5-10 times as much to do the same thing.
Which is more of a waste of resources?
That is not even remotely true. Nassib was making $650k, most experienced backups make ~$1mill. If they hadn't traded up to get Nassib, I would have been OK with it, but they wasted 2 picks, not including the one they used on him. He is the very definition of a wasted pick.
~$1MM? Using 2018 cap numbers only, Matt Schaub makes $4.5MM; Chase Daniel, $4MM; Colt McCoy, $3.6MM; Ryan Fitzpatrick, $3.3MM; Chad Henne, $2.6MM; Drew Stanton, $2.5MM; Teddy Bridgewater, $2.3MM; Blaine Gabbert, $2.0MM; Mike Glennon, $2.0MM. That's without the really high priced backup QBs like Tyrod Taylor ($16.0MM), Nick Foles ($13.6MM) and Josh McCown ($10MM).
$1MM doesn't buy you much in the QB market. Can you fill the roster spot at that price? Absolutely. But you're getting the Alex Tanneys of the world. At least with someone like Nassib, there's the possibility that he'll emerge as a legitimate NFL QB and provide positive ROI as a trade chip.
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If we didnt have Nassib, we would be paying a vet 5-10 times as much to do the same thing.
Which is more of a waste of resources?
That is not even remotely true. Nassib was making $650k, most experienced backups make ~$1mill. If they hadn't traded up to get Nassib, I would have been OK with it, but they wasted 2 picks, not including the one they used on him. He is the very definition of a wasted pick.
~$1MM? Using 2018 cap numbers only, Matt Schaub makes $4.5MM; Chase Daniel, $4MM; Colt McCoy, $3.6MM; Ryan Fitzpatrick, $3.3MM; Chad Henne, $2.6MM; Drew Stanton, $2.5MM; Teddy Bridgewater, $2.3MM; Blaine Gabbert, $2.0MM; Mike Glennon, $2.0MM. That's without the really high priced backup QBs like Tyrod Taylor ($16.0MM), Nick Foles ($13.6MM) and Josh McCown ($10MM).
$1MM doesn't buy you much in the QB market. Can you fill the roster spot at that price? Absolutely. But you're getting the Alex Tanneys of the world. At least with someone like Nassib, there's the possibility that he'll emerge as a legitimate NFL QB and provide positive ROI as a trade chip.
How that turn out..never a possibilty