This morning implied Giants are extremely disappointed in Lauletta both on and off the field. Stated, they are not enamored with his work ethic, Boomer said it s a maturity issue.
This conversation was piggy backed off the topic of Shurmur bringing up Taney in press conference.
Taney evidently represents the type of professionalism NFL teams look for
Boomer in fact said, Forget Lauletta, he doesn't have what it takes.
Know many don't like Boomer, and some will dismiss by stating you stopped reading when you saw Boomer, but that doesn't change the fact that he s pretty connected to the NFL and it s inner circle.
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Joe, I hope you didn't misunderstand me. I wasn't talking about you making this thread. I was talking about Boomer doing the equivalent of Click bait, by stating this as fact on his show in order to drive conversation. A bit of a shit stirrer to get things going.
The Giants had him on a cost controlled salary and he was never needed.
They basically sunk a minimal amount of money into a position that other teams are literally spending 5 times or more for.
Why is this basic, yet pertinent point eluding you?
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In comment 14197082 ron mexico said:
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If we didnt have Nassib, we would be paying a vet 5-10 times as much to do the same thing.
Which is more of a waste of resources?
That is not even remotely true. Nassib was making $650k, most experienced backups make ~$1mill. If they hadn't traded up to get Nassib, I would have been OK with it, but they wasted 2 picks, not including the one they used on him. He is the very definition of a wasted pick.
~$1MM? Using 2018 cap numbers only, Matt Schaub makes $4.5MM; Chase Daniel, $4MM; Colt McCoy, $3.6MM; Ryan Fitzpatrick, $3.3MM; Chad Henne, $2.6MM; Drew Stanton, $2.5MM; Teddy Bridgewater, $2.3MM; Blaine Gabbert, $2.0MM; Mike Glennon, $2.0MM. That's without the really high priced backup QBs like Tyrod Taylor ($16.0MM), Nick Foles ($13.6MM) and Josh McCown ($10MM).
$1MM doesn't buy you much in the QB market. Can you fill the roster spot at that price? Absolutely. But you're getting the Alex Tanneys of the world. At least with someone like Nassib, there's the possibility that he'll emerge as a legitimate NFL QB and provide positive ROI as a trade chip.
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...At least with someone like Nassib, there's the possibility that he'll emerge as a legitimate NFL QB and provide positive ROI as a trade chip.
How that turn out..never a possibilty
You can't use the end result to judge the relative value of the pick itself. There is literally nothing wrong with using a mid-round pick (or with packaging a mid-round pick with a late pick to move up slightly) on a backup QB, even if that QB never becomes nothing more than that. There mere possibility that he could be more than a backup makes it worthwhile.
The fact that a Tom Brady exists is proof enough that it's worth it to take chances on mid/late round QB prospects. Most won't pan out as anything more than backups. A few will be more than that. A few won't even make a roster at all. But you're going to carry 1-2 backup QBs on your roster anyway, so you might as well roll the dice every few years to see if you can unearth a gem. If you're consistently failing at it, that's likely a scouting or coaching issue, not an indictment of the practice of selecting mid/late round QBs itself.
Some fans really don't seem to understand how building a roster actually works.
If you are continually commenting on the backup QB, chances are that a QB controversy is underfoot.
This should be obvious to everyone but unfortunately it's not.
There's no reason a 5th, 6th, or 7th round pick couldn't have filled Nassib's role of "cost controlled" clipboard holder, because our season would have been over if he was ever needed to start. Flunking out of the NFL obviously happens a lot, but it shouldn't for a guy you traded up to get unless your scouting is fucked.
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You are citing the price of backup quarterbacks who are in situations where either the starter is not as entrenched or reliable as Eli (performance or injury related) or in the case of Bridegwater, a guy that could be a good system fit if Brees hangs them up.
Look at some of the backups that have been there for entrenched QB's. Derek Anderson was the Panthers backup for years at 4 times the cost of Nassib. Colt McCoy is making a lot of money as a backup to hold for a guy the Redskins broke the bank for.
The Browns have $19M tied up in guys backing up the #1 draft pick. Matt Ryan is about as durable a QB there is and his backup is making $4M. Detroit has Matt Cassel making twice what Nassib did to backup Stafford who is durable.
Ryan and Stafford certainly are portrayed consistently as being as durable as Eli and more reliable on BBI.
Nassib filled the role he was drafted for - he was the backup QB at a low salary for multiple years.
Calling that a waste ignores the economics and roster composition - so people can keep beating that drum, but it is a really ignorant observation.
Manning isn't mobile.
He is still better then the other qbs and has played fairly well lately. Well enough to win the 2 more games if this team had a better defense.
He is their best option until 2020.
Lauletta has to grow up or go home. This isn't college. Being a professional is an adjustment. He gets a pass this year.
2020 Tua and From are going #1 and #2.
I want one of those guys.
Never said any of those things were fact. What was fact was that Boomer shared them.
I would not say something as fact that I don t know to be fact. In fact I shared the Manning mandate from Boomer, not to make the point it was true, but to find out what other s thought about the issue.
Thought that s what this board was about, presenting issues for discussion.
Some guys on BBI just left is to hear the dialogue from other Giants fans. There s not always an agenda.
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If we didnt have Nassib, we would be paying a vet 5-10 times as much to do the same thing.
Which is more of a waste of resources?
That is not even remotely true. Nassib was making $650k, most experienced backups make ~$1mill. If they hadn't traded up to get Nassib, I would have been OK with it, but they wasted 2 picks, not including the one they used on him. He is the very definition of a wasted pick.
~$1MM? Using 2018 cap numbers only, Matt Schaub makes $4.5MM; Chase Daniel, $4MM; Colt McCoy, $3.6MM; Ryan Fitzpatrick, $3.3MM; Chad Henne, $2.6MM; Drew Stanton, $2.5MM; Teddy Bridgewater, $2.3MM; Blaine Gabbert, $2.0MM; Mike Glennon, $2.0MM. That's without the really high priced backup QBs like Tyrod Taylor ($16.0MM), Nick Foles ($13.6MM) and Josh McCown ($10MM).
$1MM doesn't buy you much in the QB market. Can you fill the roster spot at that price? Absolutely. But you're getting the Alex Tanneys of the world. At least with someone like Nassib, there's the possibility that he'll emerge as a legitimate NFL QB and provide positive ROI as a trade chip.
This post should have been the discussion ender regarding whether or not Nassib was a wasted pick. But in reading the rest of this thread it's pretty obvious that some don't get it and never will.
Nassib was a cost-controlled backup who filled the role for a fraction of the salary that other teams were paying for their backup QB. That allowed the Giants to use their budget on other resources. Why is that so hard for some people to understand?
If that can be fixed, he'll have a solid NFL career.
Play the kid!
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widmerseyebrow : 8:05 pm : link : reply
You are citing the price of backup quarterbacks who are in situations where either the starter is not as entrenched or reliable as Eli (performance or injury related) or in the case of Bridegwater, a guy that could be a good system fit if Brees hangs them up.
Look at some of the backups that have been there for entrenched QB's. Derek Anderson was the Panthers backup for years at 4 times the cost of Nassib. Colt McCoy is making a lot of money as a backup to hold for a guy the Redskins broke the bank for.
The Browns have $19M tied up in guys backing up the #1 draft pick. Matt Ryan is about as durable a QB there is and his backup is making $4M. Detroit has Matt Cassel making twice what Nassib did to backup Stafford who is durable.
Ryan and Stafford certainly are portrayed consistently as being as durable as Eli and more reliable on BBI.
Nassib filled the role he was drafted for - he was the backup QB at a low salary for multiple years.
Calling that a waste ignores the economics and roster composition - so people can keep beating that drum, but it is a really ignorant observation.
Conveniently skipped the part where I said a Nassib level backup (what he was, not what Jerry mistakenly hoped he would be) could have been had in a later round without trading up. It was a stupid pick at the time and it proved out. Nowhere did I say "never draft a backup QB."
Teams are going to cheat up to stop SB because he can, and will beat them.
Best way to make them pay is going over the top, and the Giants have the team speed at WR and TE to do this, at least against single coverage. Worst thing is a QB whose ball hangs so badly that the S is never out of the play.
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If we didnt have Nassib, we would be paying a vet 5-10 times as much to do the same thing.
Which is more of a waste of resources?
That is not even remotely true. Nassib was making $650k, most experienced backups make ~$1mill. If they hadn't traded up to get Nassib, I would have been OK with it, but they wasted 2 picks, not including the one they used on him. He is the very definition of a wasted pick.
~$1MM? Using 2018 cap numbers only, Matt Schaub makes $4.5MM; Chase Daniel, $4MM; Colt McCoy, $3.6MM; Ryan Fitzpatrick, $3.3MM; Chad Henne, $2.6MM; Drew Stanton, $2.5MM; Teddy Bridgewater, $2.3MM; Blaine Gabbert, $2.0MM; Mike Glennon, $2.0MM. That's without the really high priced backup QBs like Tyrod Taylor ($16.0MM), Nick Foles ($13.6MM) and Josh McCown ($10MM).
$1MM doesn't buy you much in the QB market. Can you fill the roster spot at that price? Absolutely. But you're getting the Alex Tanneys of the world. At least with someone like Nassib, there's the possibility that he'll emerge as a legitimate NFL QB and provide positive ROI as a trade chip.
Qbs salaries have ballooned the last couple years. If this site is accurate, in 2018 there is over 260M more being spent on qbs than in 2013. In 2013 there was 56.6M spent on backup qbs with the primary backups making an average of ~1.3M. The highest paid was Hasselbeck at 3.5M. In 2018, 96M was spent with the primary backups averaging about 2.5M.
Personally I wished we went a different direction with the pick. I didn't think much of Nassib and the 4th round you can still get quality players.
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Lets look at what Shurmur has said and done.
1. After Webb was cut the Giants were still looking for another QB even though they still had 3 QB's on the roster and they were committed to Eli as the starter. At the time the didn't think much of Tanney or Lauletta. Shurmer says of the two he not sure who the #2 will be.
2. Tanney is named the #2 for game 1 and has been the #2 ever since.
3. A few weeks ago Shurmer says he'd be comfortable playing Tanney and that Lauletta "Has a lot to learn"
4. After his traffic bust Lauletta is interviewed. He admits that Shurmur is disappointed in him.
5. At last weeks press conference Shurmer was asked about starting Lauletta. We all know how he responded.
Allow me to translate: Lauletta stinks. At least he does according to our QB guru coach. In Shurmer's view the only way Lauletta gets into a game is if Both Eli and Tanney are hurt.
THe lesson to be learned from this season, if any, is that what Shurmur says about his backup QBs is largely irrelevant.
You can go back and read how complementary he was of Davis Webb. It meant nothing.