Eli Manning over the last three weeks:
Completion percentage: 72.1 (62 of 86)
Passing yards: 716
Touchdowns: 6
Interceptions: 1
Passer rating: 115.2
And the Giants' offense has averaged 29 points in those three games.
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I don't need to see what I already know is an all-time franchise great having his legacy diminished in front of our eyes.
I don't need to see him disrespected as the Johnny Come Lately's throw him under the bus to protect the likes of Odell Beckham.
I'm hoping to be shocked with announcement of his retirement but I'm fearing a long and drawn out exit with a sub .500 record and the piling on from people who never liked him to begin with.
The team is 3-8. They were 3-13 last year. They suck.
I don't need to see what I already know is an all-time franchise great having his legacy diminished in front of our eyes.
I don't need to see him disrespected as the Johnny Come Lately's throw him under the bus to protect the likes of Odell Beckham.
I'm hoping to be shocked with announcement of his retirement but I'm fearing a long and drawn out exit with a sub .500 record and the piling on from people who never liked him to begin with.
The real issue with our team right now is our lack of pass rush and the inability to get off the field on 3rd down.
Eli is a solid QB who will always need an O Line and a Running game which have improved the last 3 weeks. If we had a semblance of a defense and a pass rush we might actually be a decent team.
Maybe that means he'd have to restructure his deal on his final year.
With the weapons around him he could go out on top. Elway never got over the top w/o a running game and Payton was not even able to make the throws after his neck injury and he did it.
He doesn't have to be a running QB he has to have well designed plays that get the ball to Barkley and Beckham in space.
238 yards per game is some kind of benchmark these days in a league that is booming with offense...?
If this is what the team is going to use as 'evidence' that Eli can still play (and another year older next year might I add), than this franchise is more fucked than they have appeared to be every Sunday for the past two years straight.
at a certain point it starts to feel like the tail is wagging dog.
We've won three games this year, and in two of those games the ball barely touched the turf. We slipped by.
What's that tell you?
238 yards per game is some kind of benchmark these days in a league that is booming with offense...?
If this is what the team is going to use as 'evidence' that Eli can still play (and another year older next year might I add), than this franchise is more fucked than they have appeared to be every Sunday for the past two years straight.
I agree with a lot of this. But its also nice seeing him have success even against lesser opponents. Lets see what he does this week.
I have never disliked a Giants team this much in 33 years. I really wish Mara would burn it down and start over from scratch.
True......also the team hasn't appeared to quit.
On the flip side, he's been atrocious with clock management, and took longer than I expected to realize Eli under center is his best spot.
Then it all went to shit..I still can't believe we lost that damn game.
In any event, a new C and RT should do wonders for us next season.
He should be leading NYG into the future.
LongLive#10 is that you. Did you make a new account to come out and play?
As far as I can tell, there is no evidence to the contrary.
The team is 3-8. They were 3-13 last year. They suck.
this x a million.
they suck- that is all that matters.
Go away troll.
We've won three games this year, and in two of those games the ball barely touched the turf. We slipped by.
What's that tell you?
That our defense is trash?
ryanmkeane : 1:06 pm : link : reply
with Shurmur is that the offense actually has life this year, it is certainly better in scheme and play calling.
I call that barely breathing scoring all of 3 points in the second half in a must game...
jsuds : 1:02 pm : link : reply
that can give him 3-4 sec instead of 2-3 sec for protection.
He will have to be playing in his 40's....
1) Shurmur came with a reputation for elevating QB play. He made Case Keenum a ton of money, for God's sake. Shurmur actually is succeeding with Eli despite abysmal pass blocking most of the season. Eli is playing better. He's not perfect, but no quarterback is.
2) Eli seems to be in physical decline, but at his age and with the mileage on his body, that's to be expected. He clearly doesn't throw the deep ball as well as he used to (though we have no way of knowing if he's got an injury affecting his arm strength) and doesn't throw a fast, tight spiral. Tight spirals were never really his thing, though. He can still play. Hard to know what his current ceiling is. It is time to look for his successor, but that doesn't mean there's an emergency at QB. Some patience is in order. Just not TOO much patience.
3) The defense has been a bigger problem in recent weeks than the offense. It was to be expected that the team would struggle early in the season. There's a new offense, a new defense, a new coaching staff, a new GM and a huge roster turnover. If Shurmur is a competent coach, it would also be expected that the team show improvement in the second half. I think we're seeing the improvement on offense, though not as much improvement as we could have expected -- see last week's 2nd half disaster. However the defense seems to be regressing and is truly bad now. The D's inability to get off the field on 3rd and long last week sucked the life out of the whole team.
4) Eli's the face of the franchise, and he's getting paid a lot of money to take this heat, but some of that heat is misplaced. I don't think he's the problem. The issue is, he may not be part of the solution. Like I said, some patience is in order -- just not TOO much patience.
1) Shurmur came with a reputation for elevating QB play. He made Case Keenum a ton of money, for God's sake. Shurmur actually is succeeding with Eli despite abysmal pass blocking most of the season. Eli is playing better. He's not perfect, but no quarterback is.
2) Eli seems to be in physical decline, but at his age and with the mileage on his body, that's to be expected. He clearly doesn't throw the deep ball as well as he used to (though we have no way of knowing if he's got an injury affecting his arm strength) and doesn't throw a fast, tight spiral. Tight spirals were never really his thing, though. He can still play. Hard to know what his current ceiling is. It is time to look for his successor, but that doesn't mean there's an emergency at QB. Some patience is in order. Just not TOO much patience.
3) The defense has been a bigger problem in recent weeks than the offense. It was to be expected that the team would struggle early in the season. There's a new offense, a new defense, a new coaching staff, a new GM and a huge roster turnover. If Shurmur is a competent coach, it would also be expected that the team show improvement in the second half. I think we're seeing the improvement on offense, though not as much improvement as we could have expected -- see last week's 2nd half disaster. However the defense seems to be regressing and is truly bad now. The D's inability to get off the field on 3rd and long last week sucked the life out of the whole team.
4) Eli's the face of the franchise, and he's getting paid a lot of money to take this heat, but some of that heat is misplaced. I don't think he's the problem. The issue is, he may not be part of the solution. Like I said, some patience is in order -- just not TOO much patience.
Rational and reasonable post.
- The Giants go anywhere from 5-11 to 9-7 and miss the playoffs
- Shurmur is put on notice for 2020; Gettleman is 1 year closer to 70, and the only QBs we have under contract are Lauletta and Tanney
Shitty team makes shitty decisions and stays shitty.
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I was hoping to click on this link and find the trade details that included OBJ to whichever suitor in exchange for 2 quuality, young offensive lineman, C G T, would not matter.
Go away troll.
Make the case, give me 2 quality young Dave Diehl type lineman in exchange for OB. serviceable WRs alla Toomer/Smith types and watch this offense hum, with no ineruptions, no in game quoto stress etc, just functional football.
But if you watch the breakdowns of his throws closely I think you have to give a lot of credit to Shurmur as well. Lots of relatively easy throws to wide open targets, not too many throws downfield into coverage. I'd imagine this is how Shurmur made Keenum, etc. look so good.
Not at all meant to bash Eli, who still has to make the reads/throws, but I think this is what some us hoped for when Shurmur was hired.
65-88 74%
771 yards, 9 TDs, I INT
Philip Rivers
74-98 75%
883 yards, 7 Tds, 3 INTs
Kirk Cousins
77-106 72%
620 yards, 6 Tds, 3 INTs
They are good numbers. But it doesn't really have much bearing in today's game, because they are still average numbers overall. Sure, if you measure Eli's stats this year versus the rest of his career, you like what you see. When you measure his stats this year vs other NFL quarterback stats this year, you realize he's middle of the pack, and that's not all that impressive.
The Giants need to fix one area, it's scoring efficiency. Yes, they've done better this year than recent years. But a closer dive into the numbers, they are ranked 28th in red zone TD scoring efficiency. They are middle of the pack in red zone scoring ATTEMPTS per game (14th). They are 24th in first downs per play. They are 18th in points per play. They are 24th in TDs per game. They are 22nd in points per game.
In other words, they are still behind the curve offensively, and need to greatly improve their efficiency. A lot of that is on the passing game.
And enough with the playing better crap. We beat the two worst teams in football.
Patience? Guys. We're close to a full decade of shit football.
What planet are some of you on?
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I was hoping to click on this link and find the trade details that included OBJ to whichever suitor in exchange for 2 quuality, young offensive lineman, C G T, would not matter.
Go away troll.
Make the case, give me 2 quality young Dave Diehl type lineman in exchange for OB. serviceable WRs alla Toomer/Smith types and watch this offense hum, with no ineruptions, no in game quoto stress etc, just functional football.
Stop pretending. You got banned and created this new account to come to degrade people and talk bullshit.
Go away and never return.
Rodgers is a top QB and look at them.
And enough with the playing better crap. We beat the two worst teams in football.
Patience? Guys. We're close to a full decade of shit football.
What planet are some of you on?
That's a good point. Everyone talks about how terrible "the 70s" were and how we may be "on the cusp of beginning a 70s-like spiral". Well, how about the 2010s? Hasn't it already happened? Aside from 2011 we've already had an awful decade and are pretty much assured we won't win anything until at least 2020. But, that's the thing, we've already been through an awful decade and I'd say it's still likely we are AT THE END of an awful run. We shook up the whole organization just this year and the jury is still out on Gettleman and Shurmur. It's quite possible that "Shurmur's QB" (the one we pick in the 1st round in either 2019 and 2020) will be the beginning of a great run in the 2020s. In other words. the 2020s will be to the 80s and 2000s as the 2010s are to the 1970s and 1990s. Does that make sense? The cycle seems to be trending that way. We're always terrible for one decade and then great the next. So 2020s will be our decade based on what we've experienced in the 2010s.
Eli might save some face this second half of the season. He can earn a lot of cache if he and this offense average close to 30 ppg over these next five. I’ll leave it at that.
No pass rush. Linebackers who can't stop the run or cover my grandmother (she's dead by the way...). A free safety where free means yards for the opponents because he can't tackle. A talented but limited strong safety. Not much at corner. And an all new system this season.
And that's on top of an OL that is still a long way from where it needs to be and not a lot at TE, either.
This season is only the beginning of a complete rebuild.
This team is more like an expansion team after Reese and Ross spent a decade completely ruining it. And it won't be turned around in one year or two. Blaming an obviously declining Eli or DG or Shurmur for the sorry state of this roster is simply stupid beyond belief.
The team is 3-8. They were 3-13 last year. They suck.
Isn't W-L a stat?
He wasn't good enough on Sunday to overcome one, and that was one defense that had not one healthy cornerback.
Haha