Dallas isn't good enough to go on the road and beat NO or the Rams. But they'll buy into the press coverage.
Twice the pride, double the fall.
Will the Saints be able to protect their passer better because they are at home? Crowd noise in Dallas was not the reason Brees suddenly didn't resemble the same passer he has all season.
The game is won in the trenches. Saints didn't want any part of a dirty match where they got some resistance as we saw. It was almost as if they had no real plan once they started getting short circuited.
Jerrah will likely keep Garrett and Dak, and the Cowboys, if they make the playoffs will be lucky to win a game.
It will be a pain in the ass to listen to the Media or even those posters who will continue to tell us Dallas is for real, but I'll take then going 10-6 or 9-7 with the braintrust thinking they have the pieces to win it all.
Cowboys are playing well right now. Saints with 10 straight were sloppy. Hope it gets them focused for January when Dallas comes to them. Tough matchup for them but I do think they handle Dallas in their own dome.
I'm very upset how this officiating crew decided tonight's game though
I guess both teams had 7 days, yes. But still, these Thursday games either way have a tendency to throw off the away team's mojo. I get it: improvise, adapt, overcome. But you can't discount the fact that teams have a very specific routine they go through every week to prepare for Sunday. The Saints are especially reliant on their impeccable routine of preparation. Disrupt that a little bit (in what is known as "a game of inches") and you just never know what you're going to get.
but after one of the many blown calls towards the end of the game, they showed all of the refs one after the other. The thing I came away with is all of these guys are old. I know that also means they have the most experience and that can be a good thing about having older refs, but it is obviously NOT helping the NFL product. I'd try to get a balance of some new blood with some fresh eyes and guys who can maybe move around alittle quicker out there, as well. The old man crew isn't getting the job done, as we saw tonight.
I thought the Cowboys would win, but I thought they would play better Â
offensively. They were really lucky to win this game between the missed calls and poor games by Drew Brees and Sean Payton. I thought the Cowboys defense matched up well with the Saints going into the game and wasn't that surprised by how that turned out. The Cowboys offense scoring so few points was embarrassing. Imagine how little they would've scored without ol' #25 to fuck up in every way?
Going for it on 4th down instead of getting on the board was a horrendous decision by Payton. The missed call on the Jaylon Smith hit was ridiculous.
Jerrah will likely keep Garrett and Dak, and the Cowboys, if they make the playoffs will be lucky to win a game.
It will be a pain in the ass to listen to the Media or even those posters who will continue to tell us Dallas is for real, but I'll take then going 10-6 or 9-7 with the braintrust thinking they have the pieces to win it all.
Exactly.
On top of that. Who Fucking cares?
Cuse is 9-3 and their basketball team just ass fucked Ohio State in Columbus despite the refs giving the Buckeyes 34! free throws against a zone defense.
Point is. Officiating is horrific everywhere. And the NFL is trash.
Well I guess I'm in the minority here but Dallas is for real.
You cant help where game is scheduled....they just beat a one loss team and held Brees to nothing...he is arguably the best in the game and he got dumped on
I said it a couple weeks ago. Dallas is going to be a tough out. They are hot. They play great defense. They are fast. They are hungry....they are peaking at righttime. I'm looking for houses outside of US as we speak....their fans will be fucking unbearable if they win it all
Really?
I think you're a little scarred from the Eagles winning it all last year. Yeah, the Cowboys are on a little streak right now, but the playoffs are over a month away. Eagles were #1 seed and a great team last year. The Cowboys are not great. Cowboys will likely have to go through the Vikings (at home), and the Saints and Rams on the road. They played one good game tonight and the media is going to ride the Cowboy hype train because it brings ratings and money, but I'm not sure if you've watched the NFL/Cowboys football for the last 2 decades? I've seen this episode before. Hold off on that house search for now.
Well I guess I'm in the minority here but Dallas is for real.
You cant help where game is scheduled....they just beat a one loss team and held Brees to nothing...he is arguably the best in the game and he got dumped on
I said it a couple weeks ago. Dallas is going to be a tough out. They are hot. They play great defense. They are fast. They are hungry....they are peaking at righttime. I'm looking for houses outside of US as we speak....their fans will be fucking unbearable if they win it all
Really?
I think you're a little scarred from the Eagles winning it all last year. Yeah, the Cowboys are on a little streak right now, but the playoffs are over a month away. Eagles were #1 seed and a great team last year. The Cowboys are not great. Cowboys will likely have to go through the Vikings (at home), and the Saints and Rams on the road. They played one good game tonight and the media is going to ride the Cowboy hype train because it brings ratings and money, but I'm not sure if you've watched the NFL/Cowboys football for the last 2 decades? I've seen this episode before. Hold off on that house search for now.
Haha
I know but this feels different. This fucking team is fast! They have two young stud LBers and even without a serious receiving threat at TE or WR they still find ways. They just seem like they have some swag this year. Alot like the 07 Giants in that regard. Their pass rush looked solid and they just make plays. The defense is so opportunistic. Geez it makes me sick to think it can happen. Hope I'm overreacting but this fucking team just seems to be rolling and catching breaks
The don't have the QB. The Eagles are the only threat in the division to somehow get their shit together and win a Superbowl. I think it is doubtful for them this year. They always have a horseshoe up their ass though.
Cowboys are playing well right now. Saints with 10 straight were sloppy. Hope it gets them focused for January when Dallas comes to them. Tough matchup for them but I do think they handle Dallas in their own dome.
I'm very upset how this officiating crew decided tonight's game though
Then this may be the best thing for New Orleans. No pressure anymore to keep the winning streak going. Instead they can start thinking about the playoffs and getting ready.
Cowboys are playing well right now. Saints with 10 straight were sloppy. Hope it gets them focused for January when Dallas comes to them. Tough matchup for them but I do think they handle Dallas in their own dome.
I'm very upset how this officiating crew decided tonight's game though
Then this may be the best thing for New Orleans. No pressure anymore to keep the winning streak going. Instead they can start thinking about the playoffs and getting ready.
They do have pressure in the sense that it is very important that they secure the #1 seed and get homefield advantage. They are an entirely different team and almost impossible to beat in the Superdome. I know they're #2 right now, but if they can manage to win their last 4, I'd say there's a very good chance the Rams drop 1 of their last 5. Probably not dropping 2, so the Saints pretty much have to win out to get that 1 seed.
i'm the only guy in multiple pickems who picked Dallas.
primetime game/home/thursday night.. it was a given that Dallas was the actual favorite. Now, the Giants will beat Chicago without their QB and the world will be in the dark for another week except for the Rams looking better
Good drafting. They have a lot of good athletes on that team. Both of the lines are solid. Good linebacking and a promising young secondary. Dak is not perfect but he is serviceable in their current system. With their defense and the ball control offense they can be a tough out.
The Giants with their poor drafts have a long road back to respectability and still need to find a QB.
I am jealous of all the talent the Cowboys have acquired through the Â
Draft, I hate the Cowboys and turned the game off at halftime. They may not win a SB with Dak but they will be competitive. They have a good defense and their OL covers up a lot of other flaws.
When I look at the Giants other than Barkley and our unhappy WR there is not much else worth talking about. While our frustrated fans argue on a daily basis over Eli’s future I am most concerned about the big picture which right now has many too many unanswered questions to list but you know what they are,
I am a fan since 1955 and have seen a lot but do not see a quick turnaround for this team. We have so many holes and so little talent,
I do not post that much because the tone of the board has been so vicious. So I am just venting.
This helps swallow the pill from last Sunday at least Â
They have done a tremendous job rebuilding their team over the past 4 years. They are only missing a couple of pieces to becoming a legitimate SB contender. If they find good TE in this coming draft to replace Witten their above average offense will become a very good offense. I can’t say enough how good and FAST their defense has become. Give credit to Marinelli.
But this is about rebuilding a very poor Giant team. It needs to be done through the draft. 2018 draft was a good start. It will take the Giants another 3 or 4 years of good drafts to turn this mess around. The Giants need to seriously consider getting a good Director of Player Personnel to replace Chris Mara who is worthless. That’s a tough decision for John Mara to make. I can’t tell you how important Will McClay has been in the rebuild of the Cowboys. I wish we could have someone with his talent in the Giants front office.
Unfortunately we are back in the middle of the 70’s right now. Good moves need to be made in the front office and good to great drafts over the next 3 years to turn this around. I really believe it begins on both the OL and DL to get this rebuild started. We seriously lack talent on both sides of the ball. We also need to find LB’s who are fast and can tackle.
We have s long ways to go my friends.
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They have done a tremendous job rebuilding their team over the past 4 years. They are only missing a couple of pieces to becoming a legitimate SB contender. If they find good TE in this coming draft to replace Witten their above average offense will become a very good offense. I can’t say enough how good and FAST their defense has become. Give credit to Marinelli.
But this is about rebuilding a very poor Giant team. It needs to be done through the draft. 2018 draft was a good start. It will take the Giants another 3 or 4 years of good drafts to turn this mess around. The Giants need to seriously consider getting a good Director of Player Personnel to replace Chris Mara who is worthless. That’s a tough decision for John Mara to make. I can’t tell you how important Will McClay has been in the rebuild of the Cowboys. I wish we could have someone with his talent in the Giants front office.
Unfortunately we are back in the middle of the 70’s right now. Good moves need to be made in the front office and good to great drafts over the next 3 years to turn this around. I really believe it begins on both the OL and DL to get this rebuild started. We seriously lack talent on both sides of the ball. We also need to find LB’s who are fast and can tackle.
We have s long ways to go my friends.
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How do you deal with all those crazed Cowboy fans?
Prescott spent the entire evening picking on inept cornerback Eli Apple. That would explain why Gallup led the team in receiving with five grabs for 76 yards. Gallup also should've had a long touchdown as well. Apple simply had no chance against Gallup, who had done mostly nothing this season prior to this game. That's how bad Apple is.
Terps, if I follow your drift, I think you have it backwards. I think the gist of the comments and disdain for Dallas are premised on dissing Dallas' competitiveness in the Division and the Giants being relevant. Regrettably, I think that's a long way from reality.
To me, an impressive performance by the Dallas D, and the multiple comments on this thread as to how Dallas ain't shit and it will be good for the NFC East, seems to me that gist of comments is that the Giants stand to benefit, soon. I'm afraid NYG are buried for a long time unless fundamental change occurs in the FO.
on Chad Dukes show last night here in DC. I know, I know Florio sucks. But he told Chad that the league is going to have no option but to completely overhaul the officiating of the league once they start making money from legal gambling. They will have a stake in the profits from gambling and if phantom calls end up costing millions due to a missed cover or any other common bet the league will be looked at in a terrible light and possible risk a total collapse.
His suggestion was that they are going to have to have officials in the booth radio down penalties that refs miss, or even shitty ones they make and have them corrected. They can't allow shitty officiating to be the deciding factor anymore once the league is making money on legal betting. And that too me sounded like music to my ears. Don't know why they don't already do this with the technology we have available.
on Chad Dukes show last night here in DC. I know, I know Florio sucks. But he told Chad that the league is going to have no option but to completely overhaul the officiating of the league once they start making money from legal gambling. They will have a stake in the profits from gambling and if phantom calls end up costing millions due to a missed cover or any other common bet the league will be looked at in a terrible light and possible risk a total collapse.
His suggestion was that they are going to have to have officials in the booth radio down penalties that refs miss, or even shitty ones they make and have them corrected. They can't allow shitty officiating to be the deciding factor anymore once the league is making money on legal betting. And that too me sounded like music to my ears. Don't know why they don't already do this with the technology we have available.
I must've missed it but when did the league get a stake in the gambling profits? I know they wanted a piece but as far as I know they had no say in gambling being legal in several states now, and didn't hear where any of those states agreed to cut the league in.
Now guys like Jerry Jones and others who have a stake in Fan Duel or whatever site is a different story. That's more an individual thing and not league thing as far as I know.
on Chad Dukes show last night here in DC. I know, I know Florio sucks. But he told Chad that the league is going to have no option but to completely overhaul the officiating of the league once they start making money from legal gambling. They will have a stake in the profits from gambling and if phantom calls end up costing millions due to a missed cover or any other common bet the league will be looked at in a terrible light and possible risk a total collapse.
His suggestion was that they are going to have to have officials in the booth radio down penalties that refs miss, or even shitty ones they make and have them corrected. They can't allow shitty officiating to be the deciding factor anymore once the league is making money on legal betting. And that too me sounded like music to my ears. Don't know why they don't already do this with the technology we have available.
I must've missed it but when did the league get a stake in the gambling profits? I know they wanted a piece but as far as I know they had no say in gambling being legal in several states now, and didn't hear where any of those states agreed to cut the league in.
Now guys like Jerry Jones and others who have a stake in Fan Duel or whatever site is a different story. That's more an individual thing and not league thing as far as I know.
Florio said the league will be involved in licensing of legal gambling for the league. Don't know the specifics but he was dead clear that the league would be making money from legal gambling.
RE: I thought the Cowboys would win, but I thought they would play better Â
offensively. They were really lucky to win this game between the missed calls and poor games by Drew Brees and Sean Payton. I thought the Cowboys defense matched up well with the Saints going into the game and wasn't that surprised by how that turned out. The Cowboys offense scoring so few points was embarrassing. Imagine how little they would've scored without ol' #25 to fuck up in every way?
Going for it on 4th down instead of getting on the board was a horrendous decision by Payton. The missed call on the Jaylon Smith hit was ridiculous.
Eli Apple still sucks. Oh well.
To say the cowboys were lucky to win is ignoring that dallas dominated a good portion of the game. They held the ball for 23 min in the first half to NO 7 min, almost 2-1 advantage. Yes they should have scored more points but you can"t take away the fact that the defense did almost everything they needed to win the game. As for Payton's decision while I would have taken the three, that's pretty much how he coaches, very aggressive and if it works great, this time it didn't.
The NFL has a big problem to resolve. Too many games are being decided by the Refs. The calls & missed calls last nite were ridiculous. It is getting very difficult to watch these games lately
RE: RE: Look, I hate the Cowboys more than any other team BUT Â
They have done a tremendous job rebuilding their team over the past 4 years. They are only missing a couple of pieces to becoming a legitimate SB contender. If they find good TE in this coming draft to replace Witten their above average offense will become a very good offense. I can’t say enough how good and FAST their defense has become. Give credit to Marinelli.
But this is about rebuilding a very poor Giant team. It needs to be done through the draft. 2018 draft was a good start. It will take the Giants another 3 or 4 years of good drafts to turn this mess around. The Giants need to seriously consider getting a good Director of Player Personnel to replace Chris Mara who is worthless. That’s a tough decision for John Mara to make. I can’t tell you how important Will McClay has been in the rebuild of the Cowboys. I wish we could have someone with his talent in the Giants front office.
Unfortunately we are back in the middle of the 70’s right now. Good moves need to be made in the front office and good to great drafts over the next 3 years to turn this around. I really believe it begins on both the OL and DL to get this rebuild started. We seriously lack talent on both sides of the ball. We also need to find LB’s who are fast and can tackle.
We have s long ways to go my friends.
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How do you deal with all those crazed Cowboy fans?
IDK, taser, maybe?
But I do agree with the above, I hate the cowboys more than any other team, but you can't escape the fact that they are a team on the rise and with that defense they will be in most games. While they paid a lot for Cooper he has made a big difference in their offense.
The Dallas DL won that game...their rush was formidable. Â
The Dallas front 7 is formidable. That is something they can hang their hat on every game. All winning teams have something they bring to the party. Unfortunately, Big Blue lacks that element. They have nothing that they can say "Hey, we're coming at you with .........". The Giants have some nice skill position players but are hampered by a suspect OL and a declining QB. And the D is average at best. Heck, with the addition of Coleman in the return game, I don't cringe at that unit anymore. They are going to have to develop an identity. Dallas has theirs and they showed it last night.
on Chad Dukes show last night here in DC. I know, I know Florio sucks. But he told Chad that the league is going to have no option but to completely overhaul the officiating of the league once they start making money from legal gambling. They will have a stake in the profits from gambling and if phantom calls end up costing millions due to a missed cover or any other common bet the league will be looked at in a terrible light and possible risk a total collapse.
His suggestion was that they are going to have to have officials in the booth radio down penalties that refs miss, or even shitty ones they make and have them corrected. They can't allow shitty officiating to be the deciding factor anymore once the league is making money on legal betting. And that too me sounded like music to my ears. Don't know why they don't already do this with the technology we have available.
I must've missed it but when did the league get a stake in the gambling profits? I know they wanted a piece but as far as I know they had no say in gambling being legal in several states now, and didn't hear where any of those states agreed to cut the league in.
Now guys like Jerry Jones and others who have a stake in Fan Duel or whatever site is a different story. That's more an individual thing and not league thing as far as I know.
Florio said the league will be involved in licensing of legal gambling for the league. Don't know the specifics but he was dead clear that the league would be making money from legal gambling.
I'll be interested to see how that plays out. Will the league somehow be setting up their own gambling sites? Will they have exclusive deals with some of the gambling sites?
I can see them making money somewhere off the gambling but I know they're not getting anything from the States themselves. The states don't need the NFL's approval to offer gambling on their games. Vegas never cut any of the leagues in and I don't see that changing with any of the new legalized gambling states.
I'm sure the league will get creative and figure out a way to make money off gambling, I'm just curious to see how they go about it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Mike Florio made a really good point Â
on Chad Dukes show last night here in DC. I know, I know Florio sucks. But he told Chad that the league is going to have no option but to completely overhaul the officiating of the league once they start making money from legal gambling. They will have a stake in the profits from gambling and if phantom calls end up costing millions due to a missed cover or any other common bet the league will be looked at in a terrible light and possible risk a total collapse.
His suggestion was that they are going to have to have officials in the booth radio down penalties that refs miss, or even shitty ones they make and have them corrected. They can't allow shitty officiating to be the deciding factor anymore once the league is making money on legal betting. And that too me sounded like music to my ears. Don't know why they don't already do this with the technology we have available.
I must've missed it but when did the league get a stake in the gambling profits? I know they wanted a piece but as far as I know they had no say in gambling being legal in several states now, and didn't hear where any of those states agreed to cut the league in.
Now guys like Jerry Jones and others who have a stake in Fan Duel or whatever site is a different story. That's more an individual thing and not league thing as far as I know.
Florio said the league will be involved in licensing of legal gambling for the league. Don't know the specifics but he was dead clear that the league would be making money from legal gambling.
I'll be interested to see how that plays out. Will the league somehow be setting up their own gambling sites? Will they have exclusive deals with some of the gambling sites?
I can see them making money somewhere off the gambling but I know they're not getting anything from the States themselves. The states don't need the NFL's approval to offer gambling on their games. Vegas never cut any of the leagues in and I don't see that changing with any of the new legalized gambling states.
I'm sure the league will get creative and figure out a way to make money off gambling, I'm just curious to see how they go about it.
I think the whole reason the league moved to Vegas and it took such a herculean effort is because of this exact thing.
Add in the fact that the USSC has legalized gambling for all intents and purposes the NFL wants their cut from books using their sport for profit. I can see how sports books would want to partner up with the league similar to tv networks.
but some of these comments crack me up. They weren't "lucky" last night. Their D played one of the best games I've seen all year. Of course they are limited on O and the refs were horrible but they were horrible both ways. Frankly if that idiot Randy Gregory didn't singlehandedly try and give the game away it would have been worse. They probably don't beat the Rams or Saints on the road, but they are playing legit good ball right now.
I can put my hatred and bias aside to at least admit that. Their front 7 was flying all over the place. Watching them makes me realize we need to improve in so many areas before we even get to QB, namely at OT and LB. We don't have any play at LB close to the ability of Smith or Vander Esch. Oh and one other thing- anything we got for Apple beyond a wad of sports tape was an absolute steal. He is complete garbage.
Dallas has only 1.8 million in dead money next year vs our nine million before we deal with Eli or Vernon. The Dallas defense is legit. If their OL is healthy next year. A great D with a good running game behind a dominant OL is a pretty damn good recipe for playoffs in the NFC East, historically speaking.
And another thing once again as much as I hate to admit it Â
we can learn a valuable lesson from their drafting. Especially in the first rd. focus more on talent than need. with Lee and Smith they didn't have a glaring need at LB.Everyone said they needed a TE with Witten retiring. Instead they took Vander Esch and the guy is an absolute stud and game changer. When we pick high again this year I can't think of a position where we can't use a stud unless the guy there is a WR/RB. We should take the best talent there period. if its an OTT its an OT if its a CB/LB/edge rusher go for it. Obviously if its a QB pick him. Reese in his last years got way too caught up in need and was blinded to the talent sitting there.
Well Brees got to see what it feel like to have Eli protection Â
We have officially robbed the Saints with Eli Apple. You can't tell me they'd rather have the picks back. BW Webb is much better than Apple. What a shitty player.
I've been rooting against Dallas ever since I heard that 'America's Â
Team' nonsense. But I have to admit that right now, they're the best team in our division. They've got a talented and very well coached defense and a top running back. Their o-line isn't what it used to be, but it's still pretty good and Dak's a decent game manager in the mold of Alex Smith. Trading for Cooper is paying off and Vander Esch looks very good out there.
Twice the pride, double the fall.
Will the Saints be able to protect their passer better because they are at home? Crowd noise in Dallas was not the reason Brees suddenly didn't resemble the same passer he has all season.
The game is won in the trenches. Saints didn't want any part of a dirty match where they got some resistance as we saw. It was almost as if they had no real plan once they started getting short circuited.
Styles make fights.
Jerrah will likely keep Garrett and Dak, and the Cowboys, if they make the playoffs will be lucky to win a game.
It will be a pain in the ass to listen to the Media or even those posters who will continue to tell us Dallas is for real, but I'll take then going 10-6 or 9-7 with the braintrust thinking they have the pieces to win it all.
Cowboys are playing well right now. Saints with 10 straight were sloppy. Hope it gets them focused for January when Dallas comes to them. Tough matchup for them but I do think they handle Dallas in their own dome.
I'm very upset how this officiating crew decided tonight's game though
I guess both teams had 7 days, yes. But still, these Thursday games either way have a tendency to throw off the away team's mojo. I get it: improvise, adapt, overcome. But you can't discount the fact that teams have a very specific routine they go through every week to prepare for Sunday. The Saints are especially reliant on their impeccable routine of preparation. Disrupt that a little bit (in what is known as "a game of inches") and you just never know what you're going to get.
Going for it on 4th down instead of getting on the board was a horrendous decision by Payton. The missed call on the Jaylon Smith hit was ridiculous.
Eli Apple still sucks. Oh well.
Jerrah will likely keep Garrett and Dak, and the Cowboys, if they make the playoffs will be lucky to win a game.
It will be a pain in the ass to listen to the Media or even those posters who will continue to tell us Dallas is for real, but I'll take then going 10-6 or 9-7 with the braintrust thinking they have the pieces to win it all.
Exactly.
On top of that. Who Fucking cares?
Cuse is 9-3 and their basketball team just ass fucked Ohio State in Columbus despite the refs giving the Buckeyes 34! free throws against a zone defense.
Point is. Officiating is horrific everywhere. And the NFL is trash.
You cant help where game is scheduled....they just beat a one loss team and held Brees to nothing...he is arguably the best in the game and he got dumped on
I said it a couple weeks ago. Dallas is going to be a tough out. They are hot. They play great defense. They are fast. They are hungry....they are peaking at righttime. I'm looking for houses outside of US as we speak....their fans will be fucking unbearable if they win it all
Really?
I think you're a little scarred from the Eagles winning it all last year. Yeah, the Cowboys are on a little streak right now, but the playoffs are over a month away. Eagles were #1 seed and a great team last year. The Cowboys are not great. Cowboys will likely have to go through the Vikings (at home), and the Saints and Rams on the road. They played one good game tonight and the media is going to ride the Cowboy hype train because it brings ratings and money, but I'm not sure if you've watched the NFL/Cowboys football for the last 2 decades? I've seen this episode before. Hold off on that house search for now.
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Well I guess I'm in the minority here but Dallas is for real.
You cant help where game is scheduled....they just beat a one loss team and held Brees to nothing...he is arguably the best in the game and he got dumped on
I said it a couple weeks ago. Dallas is going to be a tough out. They are hot. They play great defense. They are fast. They are hungry....they are peaking at righttime. I'm looking for houses outside of US as we speak....their fans will be fucking unbearable if they win it all
Really?
I think you're a little scarred from the Eagles winning it all last year. Yeah, the Cowboys are on a little streak right now, but the playoffs are over a month away. Eagles were #1 seed and a great team last year. The Cowboys are not great. Cowboys will likely have to go through the Vikings (at home), and the Saints and Rams on the road. They played one good game tonight and the media is going to ride the Cowboy hype train because it brings ratings and money, but I'm not sure if you've watched the NFL/Cowboys football for the last 2 decades? I've seen this episode before. Hold off on that house search for now.
Haha
I know but this feels different. This fucking team is fast! They have two young stud LBers and even without a serious receiving threat at TE or WR they still find ways. They just seem like they have some swag this year. Alot like the 07 Giants in that regard. Their pass rush looked solid and they just make plays. The defense is so opportunistic. Geez it makes me sick to think it can happen. Hope I'm overreacting but this fucking team just seems to be rolling and catching breaks
Cowboys are playing well right now. Saints with 10 straight were sloppy. Hope it gets them focused for January when Dallas comes to them. Tough matchup for them but I do think they handle Dallas in their own dome.
I'm very upset how this officiating crew decided tonight's game though
Then this may be the best thing for New Orleans. No pressure anymore to keep the winning streak going. Instead they can start thinking about the playoffs and getting ready.
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So it's not a short week excuse.
Cowboys are playing well right now. Saints with 10 straight were sloppy. Hope it gets them focused for January when Dallas comes to them. Tough matchup for them but I do think they handle Dallas in their own dome.
I'm very upset how this officiating crew decided tonight's game though
Then this may be the best thing for New Orleans. No pressure anymore to keep the winning streak going. Instead they can start thinking about the playoffs and getting ready.
They do have pressure in the sense that it is very important that they secure the #1 seed and get homefield advantage. They are an entirely different team and almost impossible to beat in the Superdome. I know they're #2 right now, but if they can manage to win their last 4, I'd say there's a very good chance the Rams drop 1 of their last 5. Probably not dropping 2, so the Saints pretty much have to win out to get that 1 seed.
... They are. Where have you been?
primetime game/home/thursday night.. it was a given that Dallas was the actual favorite. Now, the Giants will beat Chicago without their QB and the world will be in the dark for another week except for the Rams looking better
Meh, good luck beating NO at their place in January ... not going to happen
its a guarantee that the Saints will be eliminated earlier than last year.
The Giants with their poor drafts have a long road back to respectability and still need to find a QB.
When I look at the Giants other than Barkley and our unhappy WR there is not much else worth talking about. While our frustrated fans argue on a daily basis over Eli’s future I am most concerned about the big picture which right now has many too many unanswered questions to list but you know what they are,
I am a fan since 1955 and have seen a lot but do not see a quick turnaround for this team. We have so many holes and so little talent,
I do not post that much because the tone of the board has been so vicious. So I am just venting.
Still think Rams or Saints most likely to make it to big dance
But this is about rebuilding a very poor Giant team. It needs to be done through the draft. 2018 draft was a good start. It will take the Giants another 3 or 4 years of good drafts to turn this mess around. The Giants need to seriously consider getting a good Director of Player Personnel to replace Chris Mara who is worthless. That’s a tough decision for John Mara to make. I can’t tell you how important Will McClay has been in the rebuild of the Cowboys. I wish we could have someone with his talent in the Giants front office.
Unfortunately we are back in the middle of the 70’s right now. Good moves need to be made in the front office and good to great drafts over the next 3 years to turn this around. I really believe it begins on both the OL and DL to get this rebuild started. We seriously lack talent on both sides of the ball. We also need to find LB’s who are fast and can tackle.
We have s long ways to go my friends.
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If Vander ain't All-Pro this year, he will be next.
Actually, I take that back.
He will be a perennial All-Pro.
But this is about rebuilding a very poor Giant team. It needs to be done through the draft. 2018 draft was a good start. It will take the Giants another 3 or 4 years of good drafts to turn this mess around. The Giants need to seriously consider getting a good Director of Player Personnel to replace Chris Mara who is worthless. That’s a tough decision for John Mara to make. I can’t tell you how important Will McClay has been in the rebuild of the Cowboys. I wish we could have someone with his talent in the Giants front office.
Unfortunately we are back in the middle of the 70’s right now. Good moves need to be made in the front office and good to great drafts over the next 3 years to turn this around. I really believe it begins on both the OL and DL to get this rebuild started. We seriously lack talent on both sides of the ball. We also need to find LB’s who are fast and can tackle.
We have s long ways to go my friends.
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I don't know about that, the Saints receivers were blanketed all night, Brees had nowhere to throw. CB Brown had one hell of a game.
Over to you, Jerry.
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To me, an impressive performance by the Dallas D, and the multiple comments on this thread as to how Dallas ain't shit and it will be good for the NFC East, seems to me that gist of comments is that the Giants stand to benefit, soon. I'm afraid NYG are buried for a long time unless fundamental change occurs in the FO.
Is Dallas “for real”? I don’t know. But I know they’re better than the Giants.
His suggestion was that they are going to have to have officials in the booth radio down penalties that refs miss, or even shitty ones they make and have them corrected. They can't allow shitty officiating to be the deciding factor anymore once the league is making money on legal betting. And that too me sounded like music to my ears. Don't know why they don't already do this with the technology we have available.
His suggestion was that they are going to have to have officials in the booth radio down penalties that refs miss, or even shitty ones they make and have them corrected. They can't allow shitty officiating to be the deciding factor anymore once the league is making money on legal betting. And that too me sounded like music to my ears. Don't know why they don't already do this with the technology we have available.
I must've missed it but when did the league get a stake in the gambling profits? I know they wanted a piece but as far as I know they had no say in gambling being legal in several states now, and didn't hear where any of those states agreed to cut the league in.
Now guys like Jerry Jones and others who have a stake in Fan Duel or whatever site is a different story. That's more an individual thing and not league thing as far as I know.
That assumes they don't get pressure on the QB.
A secondary can be covered up by very good front seven with heat on the QB to throw balls short rather than go through full progressions.
How many examples have we seen of this? We've done it ourselves back in our good days.
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But, despite last night, I think their secondary is their Achilles heel.
That assumes they don't get pressure on the QB.
A secondary can be covered up by very good front seven with heat on the QB to throw balls short rather than go through full progressions.
How many examples have we seen of this? We've done it ourselves back in our good days.
Bingo.
Even really cover corners are being devalued in today's NFL.
The rules dictate that a consistent pass rush will be the only way to truly disrupt a good offense.
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on Chad Dukes show last night here in DC. I know, I know Florio sucks. But he told Chad that the league is going to have no option but to completely overhaul the officiating of the league once they start making money from legal gambling. They will have a stake in the profits from gambling and if phantom calls end up costing millions due to a missed cover or any other common bet the league will be looked at in a terrible light and possible risk a total collapse.
His suggestion was that they are going to have to have officials in the booth radio down penalties that refs miss, or even shitty ones they make and have them corrected. They can't allow shitty officiating to be the deciding factor anymore once the league is making money on legal betting. And that too me sounded like music to my ears. Don't know why they don't already do this with the technology we have available.
I must've missed it but when did the league get a stake in the gambling profits? I know they wanted a piece but as far as I know they had no say in gambling being legal in several states now, and didn't hear where any of those states agreed to cut the league in.
Now guys like Jerry Jones and others who have a stake in Fan Duel or whatever site is a different story. That's more an individual thing and not league thing as far as I know.
Florio said the league will be involved in licensing of legal gambling for the league. Don't know the specifics but he was dead clear that the league would be making money from legal gambling.
Going for it on 4th down instead of getting on the board was a horrendous decision by Payton. The missed call on the Jaylon Smith hit was ridiculous.
Eli Apple still sucks. Oh well.
To say the cowboys were lucky to win is ignoring that dallas dominated a good portion of the game. They held the ball for 23 min in the first half to NO 7 min, almost 2-1 advantage. Yes they should have scored more points but you can"t take away the fact that the defense did almost everything they needed to win the game. As for Payton's decision while I would have taken the three, that's pretty much how he coaches, very aggressive and if it works great, this time it didn't.
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They have done a tremendous job rebuilding their team over the past 4 years. They are only missing a couple of pieces to becoming a legitimate SB contender. If they find good TE in this coming draft to replace Witten their above average offense will become a very good offense. I can’t say enough how good and FAST their defense has become. Give credit to Marinelli.
But this is about rebuilding a very poor Giant team. It needs to be done through the draft. 2018 draft was a good start. It will take the Giants another 3 or 4 years of good drafts to turn this mess around. The Giants need to seriously consider getting a good Director of Player Personnel to replace Chris Mara who is worthless. That’s a tough decision for John Mara to make. I can’t tell you how important Will McClay has been in the rebuild of the Cowboys. I wish we could have someone with his talent in the Giants front office.
Unfortunately we are back in the middle of the 70’s right now. Good moves need to be made in the front office and good to great drafts over the next 3 years to turn this around. I really believe it begins on both the OL and DL to get this rebuild started. We seriously lack talent on both sides of the ball. We also need to find LB’s who are fast and can tackle.
We have s long ways to go my friends.
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How do you deal with all those crazed Cowboy fans?
IDK, taser, maybe?
But I do agree with the above, I hate the cowboys more than any other team, but you can't escape the fact that they are a team on the rise and with that defense they will be in most games. While they paid a lot for Cooper he has made a big difference in their offense.
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In comment 14198103 bradshaw44 said:
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on Chad Dukes show last night here in DC. I know, I know Florio sucks. But he told Chad that the league is going to have no option but to completely overhaul the officiating of the league once they start making money from legal gambling. They will have a stake in the profits from gambling and if phantom calls end up costing millions due to a missed cover or any other common bet the league will be looked at in a terrible light and possible risk a total collapse.
His suggestion was that they are going to have to have officials in the booth radio down penalties that refs miss, or even shitty ones they make and have them corrected. They can't allow shitty officiating to be the deciding factor anymore once the league is making money on legal betting. And that too me sounded like music to my ears. Don't know why they don't already do this with the technology we have available.
I must've missed it but when did the league get a stake in the gambling profits? I know they wanted a piece but as far as I know they had no say in gambling being legal in several states now, and didn't hear where any of those states agreed to cut the league in.
Now guys like Jerry Jones and others who have a stake in Fan Duel or whatever site is a different story. That's more an individual thing and not league thing as far as I know.
Florio said the league will be involved in licensing of legal gambling for the league. Don't know the specifics but he was dead clear that the league would be making money from legal gambling.
I'll be interested to see how that plays out. Will the league somehow be setting up their own gambling sites? Will they have exclusive deals with some of the gambling sites?
I can see them making money somewhere off the gambling but I know they're not getting anything from the States themselves. The states don't need the NFL's approval to offer gambling on their games. Vegas never cut any of the leagues in and I don't see that changing with any of the new legalized gambling states.
I'm sure the league will get creative and figure out a way to make money off gambling, I'm just curious to see how they go about it.
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In comment 14198103 bradshaw44 said:
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on Chad Dukes show last night here in DC. I know, I know Florio sucks. But he told Chad that the league is going to have no option but to completely overhaul the officiating of the league once they start making money from legal gambling. They will have a stake in the profits from gambling and if phantom calls end up costing millions due to a missed cover or any other common bet the league will be looked at in a terrible light and possible risk a total collapse.
His suggestion was that they are going to have to have officials in the booth radio down penalties that refs miss, or even shitty ones they make and have them corrected. They can't allow shitty officiating to be the deciding factor anymore once the league is making money on legal betting. And that too me sounded like music to my ears. Don't know why they don't already do this with the technology we have available.
I must've missed it but when did the league get a stake in the gambling profits? I know they wanted a piece but as far as I know they had no say in gambling being legal in several states now, and didn't hear where any of those states agreed to cut the league in.
Now guys like Jerry Jones and others who have a stake in Fan Duel or whatever site is a different story. That's more an individual thing and not league thing as far as I know.
Florio said the league will be involved in licensing of legal gambling for the league. Don't know the specifics but he was dead clear that the league would be making money from legal gambling.
I'll be interested to see how that plays out. Will the league somehow be setting up their own gambling sites? Will they have exclusive deals with some of the gambling sites?
I can see them making money somewhere off the gambling but I know they're not getting anything from the States themselves. The states don't need the NFL's approval to offer gambling on their games. Vegas never cut any of the leagues in and I don't see that changing with any of the new legalized gambling states.
I'm sure the league will get creative and figure out a way to make money off gambling, I'm just curious to see how they go about it.
I think the whole reason the league moved to Vegas and it took such a herculean effort is because of this exact thing.
Add in the fact that the USSC has legalized gambling for all intents and purposes the NFL wants their cut from books using their sport for profit. I can see how sports books would want to partner up with the league similar to tv networks.
I can put my hatred and bias aside to at least admit that. Their front 7 was flying all over the place. Watching them makes me realize we need to improve in so many areas before we even get to QB, namely at OT and LB. We don't have any play at LB close to the ability of Smith or Vander Esch. Oh and one other thing- anything we got for Apple beyond a wad of sports tape was an absolute steal. He is complete garbage.
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Great drafts by the cowboys. things we lack
If Vander ain't All-Pro this year, he will be next.
Actually, I take that back.
He will be a perennial All-Pro.
We have officially robbed the Saints with Eli Apple. You can't tell me they'd rather have the picks back. BW Webb is much better than Apple. What a shitty player.