This move says a lot about their ownership and organization.
Really? What does it say? They drafted a guy who punched a pregnant woman. They stuck with Hunt knowing what happened but because he wasn't totally truthful he was released. File this under they really had little choice since the video got leaked.
This move says a lot about their ownership and organization.
Really? What does it say? They drafted a guy who punched a pregnant woman. They stuck with Hunt knowing what happened but because he wasn't totally truthful he was released. File this under they really had little choice since the video got leaked.
I think most teams (not all) wouldn't cut him because of that video. Especially considering they have a legit shot at the title this year.
They did the right thing in my opinion, but they definitely had a choice.
There is a difference between criticizing and praising.
I didn't criticize them but others are praising the organization. They don't deserve praise. They were quoted as releasing him because he wasn't fully truthful. They didn't say they released him based on hitting a woman.
Also, should they be praised for drafting a guy who punched a pregnant woman?
Again, my point is not to criticize them but rather lets take it easy on the praise.
Do you think most teams would have done what they did? I certainly don't.
They could have kept him, sure. And it would be an obstacle in their way. They eliminated the distraction. Hunt fucked up and lied to the team about it. That is a big no-no. I think they would have kept him if he was honest with them just like their support for Hill. But once he lied about it and made the team look foolish they said fuck you.
Well, that team just drafted a man who, fewer than two years ago, was arrested after his girlfriend walked into an emergency room eight weeks pregnant with bruises and cuts on her face and neck. The woman told police Hill punched her multiple times in the face and stomach, put both hands around her neck, slammed her head against a wall, and threw her to the floor.
It's not just the original act, it's that he was interviewed about it by several team officials and lied through his teeth. That left them a lot less choice, because they couldn't trust him, and couldn't be confident if they asked him:
"Are there any other incidents we should know about?"
If he said "no" and the truth was "yes," it would have been a pr disaster. And they couldn't trust his response. In the era of cellphone videos, the risks have gone up a lot.
They have Tyreek Hill. I suggest people do some research before praising the Chiefs
I think drafting a player after looking into the incident is far different than a current player doing something and then lying about it. Not excusing Hill at all but I dont think the situations are the same.
This gives them wiggle room if anyone more important was ever found to do anything similar. (What _________ did is ______, but he was truthful with us, and is committed to _______).
Funny thing is, Peterson admitted in an interview last week that he still hits his kids with a belt. Yet for some reason the national media didnt pick it up.
The chiefs organization did not view the video prior to today. I also find it hard to believe the NFL did not have the video too. That brings you to either, the NFL did not share the video with the Chiefs, which is wrong in every way or they were incompetent again in handling a similar situation as the ray rice video. Although in my personal opinion the Ray Rice incident is much more egregious than this one.
Well, that team just drafted a man who, fewer than two years ago, was arrested after his girlfriend walked into an emergency room eight weeks pregnant with bruises and cuts on her face and neck. The woman told police Hill punched her multiple times in the face and stomach, put both hands around her neck, slammed her head against a wall, and threw her to the floor.
Link - ( New Window )
What Hill did was worse. No doubt. But Hill pled guilty, served his punishment and has (by all accounts) learned from his mistake and become a better man.
Kareem Hunt (allegedly) lied to the Chiefs about what happened.
The chiefs organization did not view the video prior to today. I also find it hard to believe the NFL did not have the video too. That brings you to either, the NFL did not share the video with the Chiefs, which is wrong in every way or they were incompetent again in handling a similar situation as the ray rice video. Although in my personal opinion the Ray Rice incident is much more egregious than this one.
Agreed completely. They knew - or should have known - this occurred in a public area of a hotel. If they did not have the video, it is because they did not want the video.
The chiefs organization did not view the video prior to today. I also find it hard to believe the NFL did not have the video too. That brings you to either, the NFL did not share the video with the Chiefs, which is wrong in every way or they were incompetent again in handling a similar situation as the ray rice video. Although in my personal opinion the Ray Rice incident is much more egregious than this one.
You're jumping to a conclusion about the video being viewed. The hotel itself said it turned it over to the police and denied the NFL and Chiefs request to view it and the Police also denied both requests.
It's not like they didn't try to get ahold of the video, and since no charges were filed, and the victim/s refused to cooperate, what choice did they really have except to take Hunt's word for it and keep trying to get the video.
I'm not sure who leaked it to TMZ but I'd guess someone at the hotel made a copy and cashed in.
Hotel had a corporate policy of only releasing video
to law enforcement. Chiefs and NFL certainly knew there was video and NFL tried to obtain it but they did not see it until today.
This is per Ian Rapoport, citing source.
TMZ undoubtedly got the video by paying someone to dodge the policy.
Another part of the picture is that, this summer, KH also punched a stranger in the face at another Ohio hotel. Not a woman this time but not exactly showing a learning curve from the February incident.
He's not going to play the rest of the year, he's a multiple offender with a high risk to repeat, and he didn't tell you the truth. Three strikes.
The All Powerful NFL and the KC Chiefs didn't already have the clip and knew about everything from the beginning, I'm seriously questioning your level of intelligence. Just like TMZ "acquired" the tape by paying someone to ignore the policy, you can damn sure believe the NFL and Chiefs did as well. The timing of the "leaked" clip is what got me. This reeks of double B and the Pats. #HuntGate
Just like TMZ "acquired" the tape by paying someone to ignore the policy, you can damn sure believe the NFL and Chiefs did as well.
NFL and Chiefs employ lawyers who advise against such measures.
Exactly.
I think it's much more likely a hotel employee who had a copy shopped it to TMZ rather than the league or Chiefs going after it in a back room type of acquisition.
Not sure how many of you watch the show Ray Donovan, but this feels like it could be an episode on that show. This mysterious footage suddenly surfaces 9 months after the incident. Crazy, think the Chiefs definitely made the right move, just have to wonder if the Chiefs had already seen this and were forced to act once it leaked. I mean they did draft Tyreek Hill. I dont care how fast or how great that guy is, I wouldnt draft him on my fantasy team ever for what he did.
He doesn't deserve to lose his job over that,but that's today's NFL.
Are you joking? Youd have no issue with that if it was your daughter/sister/ girlfriend? No problem with a 230lb pro athlete shoving, pushing her face, bumrushing her to the ground and then kicking her when she was on the floor? Mind you, this was all done when 3 men and his girlfriend were trying to restrain him. Sickening.
And how did the authorities not press charges? I dont understand that.
NOTHING good happens after 1 AM! That girl was hardly able to stand. She appeared to be under the influence which of course is no excuse for what Hunt did. But again, the video does not paint a pretty picture!
He doesn't deserve to lose his job over that,but that's today's NFL.
Are you joking? Youd have no issue with that if it was your daughter/sister/ girlfriend? No problem with a 230lb pro athlete shoving, pushing her face, bumrushing her to the ground and then kicking her when she was on the floor? Mind you, this was all done when 3 men and his girlfriend were trying to restrain him. Sickening.
And how did the authorities not press charges? I dont understand that.
If my daughter/sister/girlfrend was in that situation I have bigger issue with what she is doing with her life then getting pushed and kicked on the ground to be honest
If my daughter/sister/girlfrend was in that situation I have bigger issue with what she is doing with her life then getting pushed and kicked on the ground to be honest
Really. If your sister was bleeding from the mouth because some guy kicked her kidney in, what you'd do is play the 'I told you so' card.
Not sure how many of you watch the show Ray Donovan, but this feels like it could be an episode on that show. This mysterious footage suddenly surfaces 9 months after the incident. Crazy, think the Chiefs definitely made the right move, just have to wonder if the Chiefs had already seen this and were forced to act once it leaked. I mean they did draft Tyreek Hill. I dont care how fast or how great that guy is, I wouldnt draft him on my fantasy team ever for what he did.
They knew about the incident though. There's no mysterious "footage" - the footage existed from day 1. The only question is whether or not the NFL or Chiefs had seen it before this point (they claim they had not, and the hotel claims it only releases footage to law enforcement).
Once the footage is released - given that it doesn't match the description of the event that Hunt provided to them, it's clear he lied to them and he's released.
They just showed they are willing to put this situation ahead of their goal of winning. If you think most other teams would do this, you're crazy.
Hell, the ravens and Steelers harbored players who committed heinous crimes and one is a HOF'er known as a preacher and the other is a future HoF'er.
They deserve praise for doing the right thing. Is this really debatable?
Crimes not on tape. Pretending the public isnt stupid is more than naive When video comes out it sadly makes a difference IMO
And he was out on the exempt list. They didnt have to cut him. He wasnt playing anytime soon. So cutting him didnt matter. ZERO chance he was seeing the field this year again.
And as was mentioned. They have Hill. Yeah. Why is he on the team if they have such high standards? Praise away but it makes no sense
Going to the hotel and asking if they had security footage?
From what I understand, is that the security video was requested. But the hotel had maintained that they would only release it to legal authorities. How TMZ got a hold of it and why now is the question.
Almost huh?,next time I'll swing for the fences and quote one of your posts
Great that would be your 5th post since 2010 Dupe
Don't let it bother you, Montana. Regular posters here know who the good posters are. IMO, you're in that group. [/quote] Exactly why I dont bother to post very much on this site. The so called Group shoud start their own website for approved posters only!
If they did, I think you would see the NFL suspend him indefinitely the next day. This is not a discussion the NFL wants going on nationally. This would be disastrous for them after Reuben Foster just a few days ago.
Off field behavior as long as it does not impact winning or hurt the business of that franchise is often tolerated.
Chiefs did the correct thing, and it will impact their ability to win a championship much like Plax shooting himself did, but in the end it was a business decision, that s my take.
Funny thing is, Peterson admitted in an interview last week that he still hits his kids with a belt. Yet for some reason the national media didnt pick it up.
Not making a value judgment but that's probably the case about 99% of the world. With the possible exception of some white people in the Northeast and West coast of the US and some Western European countries in the last 20 years. People really need to get some perspective on life.
Are you actually suggesting that most people, other than some liberal white people, beat their kids with a belt?
Is this RichHouston?
If my room wasnt clean my dad would shoot me with a nail gun.
Pretty much. Spanking, at the very least. I think liberal white people don't realize that not everyone lives in their bubble. I'm not saying it's a good thing to beat your kid with a belt, just that if you're not a liberal white person at the very least spanking your kid is not seen as child abuse but a form of punishment. Whether it's moral or effective is another story. I mean your mom "whooping you" is a badge of honor for some in the black community and it's really not much different for blue collar/rural white folks. Once again, I'm divorcing this from what's right or effective. It's just that people seem to not understand that what's going on in the upper east side of Manhattan is not the same as what's going on in Mississippi or in poorer urban areas.
Are you actually suggesting that most people, other than some liberal white people, beat their kids with a belt?
Is this RichHouston?
If my room wasnt clean my dad would shoot me with a nail gun.
Pretty much. Spanking, at the very least. I think liberal white people don't realize that not everyone lives in their bubble. I'm not saying it's a good thing to beat your kid with a belt, just that if you're not a liberal white person at the very least spanking your kid is not seen as child abuse but a form of punishment. Whether it's moral or effective is another story. I mean your mom "whooping you" is a badge of honor for some in the black community and it's really not much different for blue collar/rural white folks. Once again, I'm divorcing this from what's right or effective. It's just that people seem to not understand that what's going on in the upper east side of Manhattan is not the same as what's going on in Mississippi or in poorer urban areas.
And yes this has changed to a certain extent over the years but overall to pretend like this is not the case is foolish and shows that you live in a liberal bubble.
By what measure are we saying that this is the case in 99%
If he had done the same thing to a 58 year old man who weighed 120 pounds, it would have been brushed under the carpet, especially since the victim kept coming at him
So, there is still sexism involved in the male need to defend the weaker sex
Its good that they are cracking down on violence. Hunt was drunk and out of control. He should face consequences But unfortunately it is still sexist, only most will not be able to see that
RE: By what measure are we saying that this is the case in 99%
of the world. That seems like an aggressive assumptive.
Not 99% of people in the world but 99% of the world corporal punishment is considered a form of punishment and not child abuse. And maybe it's really not 99% of the world, but it's a very high number. I was born in the Soviet Union, this is considered normal practice, at the very least, was when I was growing up. Does it mean that everyone does that? No. It means that it's not something that people will go to the police over and call it child abuse. People don't take into account cultural differences because they think their own culture is the only one.
If he had done the same thing to a 58 year old man who weighed 120 pounds, it would have been brushed under the carpet, especially since the victim kept coming at him
So, there is still sexism involved in the male need to defend the weaker sex
Its good that they are cracking down on violence. Hunt was drunk and out of control. He should face consequences But unfortunately it is still sexist, only most will not be able to see that
Lets say youre right and its sexist, now what? What exactly happens to those of us who think this was wrong? Should I feel shame? Should I face a consequence?
If he had done the same thing to a 58 year old man who weighed 120 pounds, it would have been brushed under the carpet, especially since the victim kept coming at him
So, there is still sexism involved in the male need to defend the weaker sex
Its good that they are cracking down on violence. Hunt was drunk and out of control. He should face consequences But unfortunately it is still sexist, only most will not be able to see that
Literally, men can never win this game. If the NFL or the masses weren't outraged it would be the sexist league and people that don't care about women. If they are outraged then it's the sexist league and people that think women are weak. The ultimate heads I win, tails you lose.
According to multiple sources the Chiefs were not willing to investigate the Kareem Hunt video, but one AFC team did. And that unnamed team gave the tape to TMZ. Going to assume its a playoff team that got the tape.
You call me a "shitshow poster", and I'm the "classy" poster?
I'm referencing how absolutely biased you are. Everyone to you that criticizes Eli is a "shitshow poster". You insult everyone that disagrees with you and then run to the mods when they insult you back.
And if you had any critical thinking skills you would realize I'm not promoting anything. I've said numerous times that I'm not defending it nor am I even saying it's effective. It's wrong and I would never do it. I'm saying that most cultures still do it. I never said it was a good thing to do, just that people need to keep things in fucking perspective. If you can't tell the difference between "this is how it is" and "this is how it oughtta be" then I suggest pick a book or something.
According to multiple sources the Chiefs were not willing to investigate the Kareem Hunt video, but one AFC team did. And that unnamed team gave the tape to TMZ. Going to assume its a playoff team that got the tape.
So pushing a woman who weighs 100 pounds less and then kicking her while she was defenseless makes this sexist?
How about it makes him an asshole? Jesus Christ. I knew BBI consisted of bad fans... but its evident it consists of horrific people as well.
Making excuses for men who hit women and hit kids... doesnt get much worse than this?
Seriously? You are completely fucking lost. When did I make an excuse for someone hitting women? Seriously pick up a book or something maybe it'll teach you critical thinking skills. I said men can't win because it's now even sexist to make a big deal out of something that we NEED TO BE MAKING A BIG DEAL OUT OF like abuse of women. So if that's sexist AND abuse is sexist (which it fucking is and yes it also make him a deplorable asshole) THEN men can't win. When you're even called sexist for defending women you can't win. Seriously just learn some critical thinking skills rather than just get outraged over everything.
So pushing a woman who weighs 100 pounds less and then kicking her while she was defenseless makes this sexist?
How about it makes him an asshole? Jesus Christ. I knew BBI consisted of bad fans... but its evident it consists of horrific people as well.
Making excuses for men who hit women and hit kids... doesnt get much worse than this?
Seriously? You are completely fucking lost. When did I make an excuse for someone hitting women? Seriously pick up a book or something maybe it'll teach you critical thinking skills. I said men can't win because it's now even sexist to make a big deal out of something that we NEED TO BE MAKING A BIG DEAL OUT OF like abuse of women. So if that's sexist AND abuse is sexist (which it fucking is and yes it also make him a deplorable asshole) THEN men can't win. When you're even called sexist for defending women you can't win. Seriously just learn some critical thinking skills rather than just get outraged over everything.
Where is the swell of sentiment that criticizing violence towards women is sexist?
So pushing a woman who weighs 100 pounds less and then kicking her while she was defenseless makes this sexist?
How about it makes him an asshole? Jesus Christ. I knew BBI consisted of bad fans... but its evident it consists of horrific people as well.
Making excuses for men who hit women and hit kids... doesnt get much worse than this?
Seriously? You are completely fucking lost. When did I make an excuse for someone hitting women? Seriously pick up a book or something maybe it'll teach you critical thinking skills. I said men can't win because it's now even sexist to make a big deal out of something that we NEED TO BE MAKING A BIG DEAL OUT OF like abuse of women. So if that's sexist AND abuse is sexist (which it fucking is and yes it also make him a deplorable asshole) THEN men can't win. When you're even called sexist for defending women you can't win. Seriously just learn some critical thinking skills rather than just get outraged over everything.
Where is the swell of sentiment that criticizing violence towards women is sexist?
That's a fair question because I was just referring to that one poster, Vanzetti. So maybe I overreacted to him. But I feel like I see this type of catch 22 more often than I should. But yeah maybe I overreacted to Vanzetti in this particular thread.
If he had done the same thing to a 58 year old man who weighed 120 pounds, it would have been brushed under the carpet, especially since the victim kept coming at him
So, there is still sexism involved in the male need to defend the weaker sex
Its good that they are cracking down on violence. Hunt was drunk and out of control. He should face consequences But unfortunately it is still sexist, only most will not be able to see that
The only argument is that this wasn't a very popular opinion, but this opinion did definitely create a catch 22.
Don't be upset because you can't understand simple arguments.
1) Just because something is culture doesn't mean it's a good thing and should be condoned but it can still offer context. Adrian Peterson wasn't brought up in the UES of Manhattan. It doesn't mean that he gets a free pass, but some context is important.
2) I never EVER defended Kareem Hunt or men who abuse women, quite the opposite. All I said that if even criticizing him makes you sexist as one poster insinuated then no you can't win. No matter what you do (defend or criticize) you're sexist.
Neither of these arguments is that difficult to grasp.
You can laugh, but I feel bad for you. When you don't understand simple logic and can't make an argument other than ad hominems and appeals to emotion, it's not an easy way to go through life.
Just stop. When you ask someone how someones cock taste... your true colors really show.
Youre an awful person. Congratulations.
When you insult people in every thread because they happen to have a different SPORTS opinion than you, you're an awful person. Congratulations.
I'm not even the only person you do that to. You like Eli Manning, someone criticizes him, and you insult him. If THAT'S not being an awful person I don't know what is.
What high horse is that? Everyone lives in a bubble, liberal white people are just more pertinent to this discussion. I'm neither liberal nor conservative but most of my friends are liberal and some are conservative. I can tell you neither understands the perspective of the other. I think this is worse with liberals but that may be because most of my friends are liberal.
Peoples character l... I question their fandom. When calling a player on your own team a fucking moron, loser, an idiot, and most importantly a quitter because of some bad plays... then yes fandom questioning Ian in order.
I can see how you say thats equivalent to sucking ones private parts.
Seeing some defend him on here and its even worse on twitter. I dont care what the 19year old girl said or did. He went after her and god only knows what he would have done if he wasnt being restrained by 3 men and his own girlfriend.
Heres a novel concept- how about being the bigger and better person. The NFL should start banning these guys. They dont deserve a right to play.
And get lost with this sexist bullshit. Its just flat out wrong and if you dont see it that way, youre an awful person.
As proven by all the macho posts about, if this were my daughter or girlfriend . . . Showing that in the male mind, women have to be protected just like little kids
Damosel in distress is the oldest form of masculinist thinking
And like I said the absolute proof is that if this were some little guy instead of a woman, you would all be talking about how he kept going after Hunt even after he pushed him/her away
Such an obvious double standard but people that have that double standard ingrained in their consciousness just cant see it
You are a scrub. Adrian Peterson beat his small children, am I being sexist when I say that he shouldnt do that?
Absolutely mind boggling how fucking stupid some of you are. Difference of opinion is one thing, but a sheer disregard for human decency is another. If thinkings a large athlete shouldnt beat on women or people a lot smaller than him for no other reason than a verbal argument (especially after said person wouldnt fuck his friend) than I guess Im sexist.
I hope you feel better about yourself knowing that Im a sexist who wouldnt hit a woman. Sounds like common sense.
As proven by all the macho posts about, if this were my daughter or girlfriend . . . Showing that in the male mind, women have to be protected just like little kids
Damosel in distress is the oldest form of masculinist thinking
And like I said the absolute proof is that if this were some little guy instead of a woman, you would all be talking about how he kept going after Hunt even after he pushed him/her away
Such an obvious double standard but people that have that double standard ingrained in their consciousness just cant see it
That's quite a crystal ball you've got.
If Hunt went irate on a man who was 100 LBs smaller than him, because the man wouldn't sleep with his friend, plenty of reasonable people would question if he should be employed.
Most sound minded people think attacking anyone you have a massive advantage over is unacceptable.
But then there is the whole inconvenient science of norms regarding the physiology of men and women, and how that is a biological truth. And how acknowledging and accepting those differences and not taking advantage of them, is actually the least sexist thing to do, and in point-of-fact pretty roundly accepted as totally fine by basically every woman.
But this will probably breeze right by some, probably to wherever the synapses that house how to use punctuation accurately live.
You are a scrub. Adrian Peterson beat his small children, am I being sexist when I say that he shouldnt do that?
Absolutely mind boggling how fucking stupid some of you are. Difference of opinion is one thing, but a sheer disregard for human decency is another. If thinkings a large athlete shouldnt beat on women or people a lot smaller than him for no other reason than a verbal argument (especially after said person wouldnt fuck his friend) than I guess Im sexist.
I hope you feel better about yourself knowing that Im a sexist who wouldnt hit a woman. Sounds like common sense.
Your counter example reveals the fallacy of your logic. You equate women with children as groups that have to be protected by us macho men
Hunt attacked someone. The victims gender should be completely irrelevant. But unfortunately, as the posts on this thread reveal, it is the decisive factor.
that woman happens to be a good 100+ pounds smaller and by sheer common sense has a massive disadvantage in defending herself.
You can spin this all you want, you are a chump and an absolute stain on this site. Go ahead and call me a sexist, doesnt bother me as Ill wear that badge proudly and Ill continue to refer to you as the stain that you are.
This move says a lot about their ownership and organization.
Really? What does it say? They drafted a guy who punched a pregnant woman. They stuck with Hunt knowing what happened but because he wasn't totally truthful he was released. File this under they really had little choice since the video got leaked.
My post was a positive knee-jerk reaction. I had forgotten about Hills past and I didnt know that Hunts incident dates back to February 2018. I thought the incident happened recently and the Chiefs acted quickly. Had I put some thought into this rather than fire off a post I would have asked, Why did it take the video to be released for the Chiefs to take action?
Can anyone name one incident where an NFL team was ahead of the story and took action rather than wait until they had no choice?
Of the victim being irrelevant. Is there really much debate that a woman stands a worse chance of defending herself against a peak athlete? The gender of the victim adds context to the situation. Kareem Hunt doesnt take the same course of action if the victim is larger than himself, I'd bet.
This chick is so full of shit. The front desk denied your right to call 911. GTFO. Kareems an asshole, but she's clearly trash herself. Seems like these situations happen when both parties are assholes. If just one side here wasn't trash this would have never happened. Link - ( New Window )
Yes, he pushed and then kicked, albeit not in an injurious way, a women. He also pushed a man, but no one cares about that. The push was not unprovoked, the two were having words and the woman did NOT seem like she was doing the smart thing, which would have been to be quiet and extricate herself from the potential threat she faced. As a criminal defense attorney for decades, I can tell you that the consequences for this action in my state would be almost nonexistent. No Jail. No Fine. Maybe probation, maybe not. Probably an anger management class, but maybe not even that.
My point is simple. NFL players have a very limited career. Any suspension of their playing time and thus their earnings is impactful on them. To end a young man's career ... FOREVER .... which could happen here, is just way too much punishment for a dumb, alcohol-induced response to an equally dumb, alcohol-induced drama. People need to get over their ridiculous level of outrage over these incidents. Your level of outrage has to match the act that is done. He pushed someone and then gave her a half-hearted kick. He didn't punch her or choke her. It didn't appear to me that she was injured, except for her dignity maybe.
Of course no man should hit a woman. EVER. But no woman should hit a man either. NO ONE SHOULD EVER PUT THEIR HANDS ON ANYONE OF ANY AGE, RACE, OR SEX FOR ANY REASON WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF THE OTHER PERSON. EVER. But can we please just start being a little bit more realistic about the way the world really is and not the way we think it should be. If you think for one second that crucifying this young man and making an example of him will stop some drunken husband from slapping his wife around when she pisses him off, brother or sister, are you lost.
Wouldn't suspending this kid for a certain number of games, costing him maybe millions of dollars be punishment enough? Wouldn't suspending him for the rest of this season and the play-offs be a serious punishment? Taking away this person's livelihood ... forever? Is that proportional to the act he did, really? Remember, once out, there is no guarantee you get back in. Ask Kaepernick or Ray Rice. Punishing these young men, infinitely more harshly than painters or engineers or lawyers or doctors are routinely punished for the same offense IS JUST WRONG.
We all have sisters and daughters and wives. We all want then to be safe and free from the threat of ANY violence. But we also have brothers and sons and uncles and dads. And we want them treated fairly when they fuck up. They should be punished, but the punishment should be fair.
Sexists, what seem like 1 troll with a dozen incarnations and a few normal people.
The troll is pretty generous -- when he gets cooking he doesn't use punctuation -- which helps identity the crazy. Last week he was sporting the Long Live #10 thing.
RE: My problem with this is the punishment does not fit the crime.
My point is simple. NFL players have a very limited career. Any suspension of their playing time and thus their earnings is impactful on them.
Wouldn't suspending this kid for a certain number of games, costing him maybe millions of dollars be punishment enough? Wouldn't suspending him for the rest of this season and the play-offs be a serious punishment? Taking away this person's livelihood ... forever?
If this ends Hunt's career .... is that fair?
You're arguing about something that hasn't happened, at least not yet. He hasn't been suspended at all, let alone banned from the league. Maybe no one will sign him ever again, and then you can be critical of that. As of now, he's as free to play for an NFL team as anyone else.
RE: My problem with this is the punishment does not fit the crime.
Yes, he pushed and then kicked, albeit not in an injurious way, a women. He also pushed a man, but no one cares about that. The push was not unprovoked, the two were having words and the woman did NOT seem like she was doing the smart thing, which would have been to be quiet and extricate herself from the potential threat she faced. As a criminal defense attorney for decades, I can tell you that the consequences for this action in my state would be almost nonexistent. No Jail. No Fine. Maybe probation, maybe not. Probably an anger management class, but maybe not even that.
My point is simple. NFL players have a very limited career. Any suspension of their playing time and thus their earnings is impactful on them. To end a young man's career ... FOREVER .... which could happen here, is just way too much punishment for a dumb, alcohol-induced response to an equally dumb, alcohol-induced drama. People need to get over their ridiculous level of outrage over these incidents. Your level of outrage has to match the act that is done. He pushed someone and then gave her a half-hearted kick. He didn't punch her or choke her. It didn't appear to me that she was injured, except for her dignity maybe.
Of course no man should hit a woman. EVER. But no woman should hit a man either. NO ONE SHOULD EVER PUT THEIR HANDS ON ANYONE OF ANY AGE, RACE, OR SEX FOR ANY REASON WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF THE OTHER PERSON. EVER. But can we please just start being a little bit more realistic about the way the world really is and not the way we think it should be. If you think for one second that crucifying this young man and making an example of him will stop some drunken husband from slapping his wife around when she pisses him off, brother or sister, are you lost.
Wouldn't suspending this kid for a certain number of games, costing him maybe millions of dollars be punishment enough? Wouldn't suspending him for the rest of this season and the play-offs be a serious punishment? Taking away this person's livelihood ... forever? Is that proportional to the act he did, really? Remember, once out, there is no guarantee you get back in. Ask Kaepernick or Ray Rice. Punishing these young men, infinitely more harshly than painters or engineers or lawyers or doctors are routinely punished for the same offense IS JUST WRONG.
We all have sisters and daughters and wives. We all want then to be safe and free from the threat of ANY violence. But we also have brothers and sons and uncles and dads. And we want them treated fairly when they fuck up. They should be punished, but the punishment should be fair.
If this ends Hunt's career .... is that fair?
No one seriously belives this is a career-ender, that I've seen. How could it be when Ruben Foster spent less than 24 hours on the street and he's been caught up in DV investigations like three times alone this year.
This isn't like Ray Rice in that Rice was already an older in player. Hunt isn't even 24 years old and won the rushing title last year.
your point is that a team or teams in need will conveniently bypass the ugly optics of signing KH, once, if, he is off the Commissioner's List? Reality of a competitive front office vs some inconvenient truths?
On a par with Christian Peter?
I think the league is going to strongly suggest against teams signing
wouldn't it be smart for a team that's already eliminated, like the Giants, to grab him now, suspend him immediately for the rest of the year, then trade him for picks before the draft?
wouldn't it be smart for a team that's already eliminated, like the Giants, to grab him now, suspend him immediately for the rest of the year, then trade him for picks before the draft?
Could it be done?
Why should he never play again? Let him get convicted of a crime based upon this new video evidence. Then, let him serve his time. When that is over and he has paid his debt, why cant he play football? It is only a game. Guys get let out of prison every day and find jobs.
Where were all the BBIers against violence?Most were saying Jordan was a punk.
Now imagine if Flowrrs had shoved Kim Jones. I might actually bet on Kim Jones in a fight against Jordan. But how differently would the liberal sexists on BBI have responded if a woman rather than a whiimpy man had been the victim?
Where were all the BBIers against violence?Most were saying Jordan was a punk.
Now imagine if Flowrrs had shoved Kim Jones. I might actually bet on Kim Jones in a fight against Jordan. But how differently would the liberal sexists on BBI have responded if a woman rather than a whiimpy man had been the victim?
We all must have missed the part where Flowers chased Jordan out of a hotel because he wouldn't sleep with his boy, and then taken a kick at him on the ground.
Where were all the BBIers against violence?Most were saying Jordan was a punk.
Now imagine if Flowrrs had shoved Kim Jones. I might actually bet on Kim Jones in a fight against Jordan. But how differently would the liberal sexists on BBI have responded if a woman rather than a whiimpy man had been the victim?
You really don't have to look very hard to determine how disliked of a figure Ereck Flowers is here. You could probably have picked a better example to work with.
Chiefs did the right thing as far as cutting him goes
It certainly put a dent in there super bowl hopes
I just saw a quick view of him slapping or punching
then as he started to leave he kicked her at .
You don't hit woman period I did once to my second wife
she got pissed at me and she is like 5'10' with big feet
She was clobbering me with her Penny loafer lol I was
blocking them left and right so I gave her a little shot
to the side of her leg above her knee heck with it I knew
I shouldn't and I felt bad but It hurt her feelings and
I felt bad about it but I would never hurt her .I'm only
5'11 myself these are freaking tough dudes like Ray Rice
I mean really just knock her the heck out .Some of these guys just are touched in the head .
Even the most devoted feminist say a man should never hit a woman...PERIOD!
On top of that to imply that your average woman is capable of defending herself again your average man is flat out ignorant. Let alone a world class Male athlete vs nearly any woman outside of Ronda Rouse.
It's not sexist to point out facts and facts don't care about your feelings 😏
and corporations should get out of these politicized situations. In this case, the league acting on something a guy does in his personal life. Does the league sign "at will clauses" in their contracts. Maybe the should and do. If so Hunt should have known better.
and corporations should get out of these politicized situations. In this case, the league acting on something a guy does in his personal life. Does the league sign "at will clauses" in their contracts. Maybe the should and do. If so Hunt should have known better.
Why? The NFL has a right to protect their brand and assaulting women is bad for business. Law Enforcement has nothing to do with what looks good or bad for the league. If they want to suspend a player for this type of conduct, they have every right to do so.
Really? What does it say? They drafted a guy who punched a pregnant woman. They stuck with Hunt knowing what happened but because he wasn't totally truthful he was released. File this under they really had little choice since the video got leaked.
To criticize them sounds pretty moronic.
Quote:
This move says a lot about their ownership and organization.
Really? What does it say? They drafted a guy who punched a pregnant woman. They stuck with Hunt knowing what happened but because he wasn't totally truthful he was released. File this under they really had little choice since the video got leaked.
I think most teams (not all) wouldn't cut him because of that video. Especially considering they have a legit shot at the title this year.
They did the right thing in my opinion, but they definitely had a choice.
To criticize them sounds pretty moronic.
Who criticized them?
I didn't criticize them but others are praising the organization. They don't deserve praise. They were quoted as releasing him because he wasn't fully truthful. They didn't say they released him based on hitting a woman.
Also, should they be praised for drafting a guy who punched a pregnant woman?
Again, my point is not to criticize them but rather lets take it easy on the praise.
Do you think most teams would have done what they did? I certainly don't.
Do you think most teams would have done what they did? I certainly don't.
They could have kept him, sure. And it would be an obstacle in their way. They eliminated the distraction. Hunt fucked up and lied to the team about it. That is a big no-no. I think they would have kept him if he was honest with them just like their support for Hill. But once he lied about it and made the team look foolish they said fuck you.
They just showed they are willing to put this situation ahead of their goal of winning. If you think most other teams would do this, you're crazy.
Hell, the ravens and Steelers harbored players who committed heinous crimes and one is a HOF'er known as a preacher and the other is a future HoF'er.
They deserve praise for doing the right thing. Is this really debatable?
Watch him become a member of the Washington Franchise in the coming days because Daniel Snyder has no soul or morals.
Link - ( New Window )
"Are there any other incidents we should know about?"
If he said "no" and the truth was "yes," it would have been a pr disaster. And they couldn't trust his response. In the era of cellphone videos, the risks have gone up a lot.
I think drafting a player after looking into the incident is far different than a current player doing something and then lying about it. Not excusing Hill at all but I dont think the situations are the same.
Hunt isn't going to be playing for a while. The Chiefs would not have done this if they felt he would skate.
True. They'd be a real hit
- He wasn't truthful.
This gives them wiggle room if anyone more important was ever found to do anything similar. (What _________ did is ______, but he was truthful with us, and is committed to _______).
Funny thing is, Peterson admitted in an interview last week that he still hits his kids with a belt. Yet for some reason the national media didnt pick it up.
Quote:
Well, that team just drafted a man who, fewer than two years ago, was arrested after his girlfriend walked into an emergency room eight weeks pregnant with bruises and cuts on her face and neck. The woman told police Hill punched her multiple times in the face and stomach, put both hands around her neck, slammed her head against a wall, and threw her to the floor.
Link - ( New Window )
What Hill did was worse. No doubt. But Hill pled guilty, served his punishment and has (by all accounts) learned from his mistake and become a better man.
Kareem Hunt (allegedly) lied to the Chiefs about what happened.
That's the difference.
Agreed completely. They knew - or should have known - this occurred in a public area of a hotel. If they did not have the video, it is because they did not want the video.
You're jumping to a conclusion about the video being viewed. The hotel itself said it turned it over to the police and denied the NFL and Chiefs request to view it and the Police also denied both requests.
It's not like they didn't try to get ahold of the video, and since no charges were filed, and the victim/s refused to cooperate, what choice did they really have except to take Hunt's word for it and keep trying to get the video.
I'm not sure who leaked it to TMZ but I'd guess someone at the hotel made a copy and cashed in.
This is per Ian Rapoport, citing source.
TMZ undoubtedly got the video by paying someone to dodge the policy.
Another part of the picture is that, this summer, KH also punched a stranger in the face at another Ohio hotel. Not a woman this time but not exactly showing a learning curve from the February incident.
He's not going to play the rest of the year, he's a multiple offender with a high risk to repeat, and he didn't tell you the truth. Three strikes.
NFL and Chiefs employ lawyers who advise against such measures.
Quote:
Just like TMZ "acquired" the tape by paying someone to ignore the policy, you can damn sure believe the NFL and Chiefs did as well.
NFL and Chiefs employ lawyers who advise against such measures.
Exactly.
I think it's much more likely a hotel employee who had a copy shopped it to TMZ rather than the league or Chiefs going after it in a back room type of acquisition.
He kicked a woman that was on the ground due to him bum rushing her...WTF?
He kicked a woman that was on the ground due to him bum rushing her...WTF?
That kick is an embarrassment,the shame of that being on the internet should be enough punishment.
Are you joking? Youd have no issue with that if it was your daughter/sister/ girlfriend? No problem with a 230lb pro athlete shoving, pushing her face, bumrushing her to the ground and then kicking her when she was on the floor? Mind you, this was all done when 3 men and his girlfriend were trying to restrain him. Sickening.
And how did the authorities not press charges? I dont understand that.
In case anyone forgot - ( New Window )
Get this nonsense out of here.
Quote:
He doesn't deserve to lose his job over that,but that's today's NFL.
Are you joking? Youd have no issue with that if it was your daughter/sister/ girlfriend? No problem with a 230lb pro athlete shoving, pushing her face, bumrushing her to the ground and then kicking her when she was on the floor? Mind you, this was all done when 3 men and his girlfriend were trying to restrain him. Sickening.
And how did the authorities not press charges? I dont understand that.
If my daughter/sister/girlfrend was in that situation I have bigger issue with what she is doing with her life then getting pushed and kicked on the ground to be honest
If my daughter/sister/girlfrend was in that situation I have bigger issue with what she is doing with her life then getting pushed and kicked on the ground to be honest
Really. If your sister was bleeding from the mouth because some guy kicked her kidney in, what you'd do is play the 'I told you so' card.
They knew about the incident though. There's no mysterious "footage" - the footage existed from day 1. The only question is whether or not the NFL or Chiefs had seen it before this point (they claim they had not, and the hotel claims it only releases footage to law enforcement).
Once the footage is released - given that it doesn't match the description of the event that Hunt provided to them, it's clear he lied to them and he's released.
Yes he did. Not sure what you saw, but his behavior was horrible and something that shouldn't be accepted anywhere, especially in the NFL.
Quote:
He kicked a woman that was on the ground due to him bum rushing her...WTF?
That kick is an embarrassment,the shame of that being on the internet should be enough punishment.
This is almost as dumb as your first comment
This is almost as dumb as your first comment [/quote]
Almost huh?,next time I'll swing for the fences and quote one of your posts
They just showed they are willing to put this situation ahead of their goal of winning. If you think most other teams would do this, you're crazy.
Hell, the ravens and Steelers harbored players who committed heinous crimes and one is a HOF'er known as a preacher and the other is a future HoF'er.
They deserve praise for doing the right thing. Is this really debatable?
Crimes not on tape. Pretending the public isnt stupid is more than naive When video comes out it sadly makes a difference IMO
And he was out on the exempt list. They didnt have to cut him. He wasnt playing anytime soon. So cutting him didnt matter. ZERO chance he was seeing the field this year again.
And as was mentioned. They have Hill. Yeah. Why is he on the team if they have such high standards? Praise away but it makes no sense
This is almost as dumb as your first comment
Almost huh?,next time I'll swing for the fences and quote one of your posts [/quote]
Great that would be your 5th post since 2010 Dupe
Quote:
In comment 14199164 montanagiant said:
This is almost as dumb as your first comment
Almost huh?,next time I'll swing for the fences and quote one of your posts
Great that would be your 5th post since 2010 Dupe [/quote]
Don't let it bother you, Montana. Regular posters here know who the good posters are. IMO, you're in that group.
From what I understand, is that the security video was requested. But the hotel had maintained that they would only release it to legal authorities. How TMZ got a hold of it and why now is the question.
Quote:
In comment 14199190 ghost718 said:
Quote:
In comment 14199164 montanagiant said:
This is almost as dumb as your first comment
Almost huh?,next time I'll swing for the fences and quote one of your posts
Great that would be your 5th post since 2010 Dupe
Don't let it bother you, Montana. Regular posters here know who the good posters are. IMO, you're in that group. [/quote] Exactly why I dont bother to post very much on this site. The so called Group shoud start their own website for approved posters only!
Off field behavior as long as it does not impact winning or hurt the business of that franchise is often tolerated.
Chiefs did the correct thing, and it will impact their ability to win a championship much like Plax shooting himself did, but in the end it was a business decision, that s my take.
Quote:
would make a great one-two-punch for the Redskins
Funny thing is, Peterson admitted in an interview last week that he still hits his kids with a belt. Yet for some reason the national media didnt pick it up.
Not making a value judgment but that's probably the case about 99% of the world. With the possible exception of some white people in the Northeast and West coast of the US and some Western European countries in the last 20 years. People really need to get some perspective on life.
Is this RichHouston?
If my room wasnt clean my dad would shoot me with a nail gun.
Is this RichHouston?
If my room wasnt clean my dad would shoot me with a nail gun.
Hes a shitshow of a poster.
Is this RichHouston?
If my room wasnt clean my dad would shoot me with a nail gun.
Pretty much. Spanking, at the very least. I think liberal white people don't realize that not everyone lives in their bubble. I'm not saying it's a good thing to beat your kid with a belt, just that if you're not a liberal white person at the very least spanking your kid is not seen as child abuse but a form of punishment. Whether it's moral or effective is another story. I mean your mom "whooping you" is a badge of honor for some in the black community and it's really not much different for blue collar/rural white folks. Once again, I'm divorcing this from what's right or effective. It's just that people seem to not understand that what's going on in the upper east side of Manhattan is not the same as what's going on in Mississippi or in poorer urban areas.
Quote:
Are you actually suggesting that most people, other than some liberal white people, beat their kids with a belt?
Is this RichHouston?
If my room wasnt clean my dad would shoot me with a nail gun.
Hes a shitshow of a poster.
How does Eli's cock taste?
Quote:
Are you actually suggesting that most people, other than some liberal white people, beat their kids with a belt?
Is this RichHouston?
If my room wasnt clean my dad would shoot me with a nail gun.
Pretty much. Spanking, at the very least. I think liberal white people don't realize that not everyone lives in their bubble. I'm not saying it's a good thing to beat your kid with a belt, just that if you're not a liberal white person at the very least spanking your kid is not seen as child abuse but a form of punishment. Whether it's moral or effective is another story. I mean your mom "whooping you" is a badge of honor for some in the black community and it's really not much different for blue collar/rural white folks. Once again, I'm divorcing this from what's right or effective. It's just that people seem to not understand that what's going on in the upper east side of Manhattan is not the same as what's going on in Mississippi or in poorer urban areas.
And yes this has changed to a certain extent over the years but overall to pretend like this is not the case is foolish and shows that you live in a liberal bubble.
So, there is still sexism involved in the male need to defend the weaker sex
Its good that they are cracking down on violence. Hunt was drunk and out of control. He should face consequences But unfortunately it is still sexist, only most will not be able to see that
Not 99% of people in the world but 99% of the world corporal punishment is considered a form of punishment and not child abuse. And maybe it's really not 99% of the world, but it's a very high number. I was born in the Soviet Union, this is considered normal practice, at the very least, was when I was growing up. Does it mean that everyone does that? No. It means that it's not something that people will go to the police over and call it child abuse. People don't take into account cultural differences because they think their own culture is the only one.
Where are the mods?
So, there is still sexism involved in the male need to defend the weaker sex
Its good that they are cracking down on violence. Hunt was drunk and out of control. He should face consequences But unfortunately it is still sexist, only most will not be able to see that
Lets say youre right and its sexist, now what? What exactly happens to those of us who think this was wrong? Should I feel shame? Should I face a consequence?
So, there is still sexism involved in the male need to defend the weaker sex
Its good that they are cracking down on violence. Hunt was drunk and out of control. He should face consequences But unfortunately it is still sexist, only most will not be able to see that
Literally, men can never win this game. If the NFL or the masses weren't outraged it would be the sexist league and people that don't care about women. If they are outraged then it's the sexist league and people that think women are weak. The ultimate heads I win, tails you lose.
How about it makes him an asshole? Jesus Christ. I knew BBI consisted of bad fans... but its evident it consists of horrific people as well.
Making excuses for men who hit women and hit kids... doesnt get much worse than this?
Where are the mods?
You call me a "shitshow poster", and I'm the "classy" poster?
I'm referencing how absolutely biased you are. Everyone to you that criticizes Eli is a "shitshow poster". You insult everyone that disagrees with you and then run to the mods when they insult you back.
And if you had any critical thinking skills you would realize I'm not promoting anything. I've said numerous times that I'm not defending it nor am I even saying it's effective. It's wrong and I would never do it. I'm saying that most cultures still do it. I never said it was a good thing to do, just that people need to keep things in fucking perspective. If you can't tell the difference between "this is how it is" and "this is how it oughtta be" then I suggest pick a book or something.
Quote:
According to multiple sources the Chiefs were not willing to investigate the Kareem Hunt video, but one AFC team did. And that unnamed team gave the tape to TMZ. Going to assume its a playoff team that got the tape.
Damnit got duped by a fake account
How about it makes him an asshole? Jesus Christ. I knew BBI consisted of bad fans... but its evident it consists of horrific people as well.
Making excuses for men who hit women and hit kids... doesnt get much worse than this?
Seriously? You are completely fucking lost. When did I make an excuse for someone hitting women? Seriously pick up a book or something maybe it'll teach you critical thinking skills. I said men can't win because it's now even sexist to make a big deal out of something that we NEED TO BE MAKING A BIG DEAL OUT OF like abuse of women. So if that's sexist AND abuse is sexist (which it fucking is and yes it also make him a deplorable asshole) THEN men can't win. When you're even called sexist for defending women you can't win. Seriously just learn some critical thinking skills rather than just get outraged over everything.
Quote:
So pushing a woman who weighs 100 pounds less and then kicking her while she was defenseless makes this sexist?
How about it makes him an asshole? Jesus Christ. I knew BBI consisted of bad fans... but its evident it consists of horrific people as well.
Making excuses for men who hit women and hit kids... doesnt get much worse than this?
Seriously? You are completely fucking lost. When did I make an excuse for someone hitting women? Seriously pick up a book or something maybe it'll teach you critical thinking skills. I said men can't win because it's now even sexist to make a big deal out of something that we NEED TO BE MAKING A BIG DEAL OUT OF like abuse of women. So if that's sexist AND abuse is sexist (which it fucking is and yes it also make him a deplorable asshole) THEN men can't win. When you're even called sexist for defending women you can't win. Seriously just learn some critical thinking skills rather than just get outraged over everything.
Where is the swell of sentiment that criticizing violence towards women is sexist?
Quote:
In comment 14199385 dep026 said:
Quote:
So pushing a woman who weighs 100 pounds less and then kicking her while she was defenseless makes this sexist?
How about it makes him an asshole? Jesus Christ. I knew BBI consisted of bad fans... but its evident it consists of horrific people as well.
Making excuses for men who hit women and hit kids... doesnt get much worse than this?
Seriously? You are completely fucking lost. When did I make an excuse for someone hitting women? Seriously pick up a book or something maybe it'll teach you critical thinking skills. I said men can't win because it's now even sexist to make a big deal out of something that we NEED TO BE MAKING A BIG DEAL OUT OF like abuse of women. So if that's sexist AND abuse is sexist (which it fucking is and yes it also make him a deplorable asshole) THEN men can't win. When you're even called sexist for defending women you can't win. Seriously just learn some critical thinking skills rather than just get outraged over everything.
Where is the swell of sentiment that criticizing violence towards women is sexist?
That's a fair question because I was just referring to that one poster, Vanzetti. So maybe I overreacted to him. But I feel like I see this type of catch 22 more often than I should. But yeah maybe I overreacted to Vanzetti in this particular thread.
So, there is still sexism involved in the male need to defend the weaker sex
Its good that they are cracking down on violence. Hunt was drunk and out of control. He should face consequences But unfortunately it is still sexist, only most will not be able to see that
The only argument is that this wasn't a very popular opinion, but this opinion did definitely create a catch 22.
Don't be upset because you can't understand simple arguments.
1) Just because something is culture doesn't mean it's a good thing and should be condoned but it can still offer context. Adrian Peterson wasn't brought up in the UES of Manhattan. It doesn't mean that he gets a free pass, but some context is important.
2) I never EVER defended Kareem Hunt or men who abuse women, quite the opposite. All I said that if even criticizing him makes you sexist as one poster insinuated then no you can't win. No matter what you do (defend or criticize) you're sexist.
Neither of these arguments is that difficult to grasp.
At least I'm not obtuse.
You can laugh, but I feel bad for you. When you don't understand simple logic and can't make an argument other than ad hominems and appeals to emotion, it's not an easy way to go through life.
Youre an awful person. Congratulations.
Stay on your high horse my friend.
Youre an awful person. Congratulations.
When you insult people in every thread because they happen to have a different SPORTS opinion than you, you're an awful person. Congratulations.
I'm not even the only person you do that to. You like Eli Manning, someone criticizes him, and you insult him. If THAT'S not being an awful person I don't know what is.
You can dish it out but can't take it.
Stay on your high horse my friend.
What high horse is that? Everyone lives in a bubble, liberal white people are just more pertinent to this discussion. I'm neither liberal nor conservative but most of my friends are liberal and some are conservative. I can tell you neither understands the perspective of the other. I think this is worse with liberals but that may be because most of my friends are liberal.
Youre a sad human being.
I can see how you say thats equivalent to sucking ones private parts.
Great job as usual.
Heres a novel concept- how about being the bigger and better person. The NFL should start banning these guys. They dont deserve a right to play.
And get lost with this sexist bullshit. Its just flat out wrong and if you dont see it that way, youre an awful person.
Damosel in distress is the oldest form of masculinist thinking
And like I said the absolute proof is that if this were some little guy instead of a woman, you would all be talking about how he kept going after Hunt even after he pushed him/her away
Such an obvious double standard but people that have that double standard ingrained in their consciousness just cant see it
Absolutely mind boggling how fucking stupid some of you are. Difference of opinion is one thing, but a sheer disregard for human decency is another. If thinkings a large athlete shouldnt beat on women or people a lot smaller than him for no other reason than a verbal argument (especially after said person wouldnt fuck his friend) than I guess Im sexist.
I hope you feel better about yourself knowing that Im a sexist who wouldnt hit a woman. Sounds like common sense.
Damosel in distress is the oldest form of masculinist thinking
And like I said the absolute proof is that if this were some little guy instead of a woman, you would all be talking about how he kept going after Hunt even after he pushed him/her away
Such an obvious double standard but people that have that double standard ingrained in their consciousness just cant see it
That's quite a crystal ball you've got.
If Hunt went irate on a man who was 100 LBs smaller than him, because the man wouldn't sleep with his friend, plenty of reasonable people would question if he should be employed.
Most sound minded people think attacking anyone you have a massive advantage over is unacceptable.
But then there is the whole inconvenient science of norms regarding the physiology of men and women, and how that is a biological truth. And how acknowledging and accepting those differences and not taking advantage of them, is actually the least sexist thing to do, and in point-of-fact pretty roundly accepted as totally fine by basically every woman.
But this will probably breeze right by some, probably to wherever the synapses that house how to use punctuation accurately live.
Absolutely mind boggling how fucking stupid some of you are. Difference of opinion is one thing, but a sheer disregard for human decency is another. If thinkings a large athlete shouldnt beat on women or people a lot smaller than him for no other reason than a verbal argument (especially after said person wouldnt fuck his friend) than I guess Im sexist.
I hope you feel better about yourself knowing that Im a sexist who wouldnt hit a woman. Sounds like common sense.
Your counter example reveals the fallacy of your logic. You equate women with children as groups that have to be protected by us macho men
Hunt attacked someone. The victims gender should be completely irrelevant. But unfortunately, as the posts on this thread reveal, it is the decisive factor.
You can spin this all you want, you are a chump and an absolute stain on this site. Go ahead and call me a sexist, doesnt bother me as Ill wear that badge proudly and Ill continue to refer to you as the stain that you are.
Quote:
This move says a lot about their ownership and organization.
Really? What does it say? They drafted a guy who punched a pregnant woman. They stuck with Hunt knowing what happened but because he wasn't totally truthful he was released. File this under they really had little choice since the video got leaked.
My post was a positive knee-jerk reaction. I had forgotten about Hills past and I didnt know that Hunts incident dates back to February 2018. I thought the incident happened recently and the Chiefs acted quickly. Had I put some thought into this rather than fire off a post I would have asked, Why did it take the video to be released for the Chiefs to take action?
Can anyone name one incident where an NFL team was ahead of the story and took action rather than wait until they had no choice?
depends if you are from the northeast or not...
Link - ( New Window )
My point is simple. NFL players have a very limited career. Any suspension of their playing time and thus their earnings is impactful on them. To end a young man's career ... FOREVER .... which could happen here, is just way too much punishment for a dumb, alcohol-induced response to an equally dumb, alcohol-induced drama. People need to get over their ridiculous level of outrage over these incidents. Your level of outrage has to match the act that is done. He pushed someone and then gave her a half-hearted kick. He didn't punch her or choke her. It didn't appear to me that she was injured, except for her dignity maybe.
Of course no man should hit a woman. EVER. But no woman should hit a man either. NO ONE SHOULD EVER PUT THEIR HANDS ON ANYONE OF ANY AGE, RACE, OR SEX FOR ANY REASON WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF THE OTHER PERSON. EVER. But can we please just start being a little bit more realistic about the way the world really is and not the way we think it should be. If you think for one second that crucifying this young man and making an example of him will stop some drunken husband from slapping his wife around when she pisses him off, brother or sister, are you lost.
Wouldn't suspending this kid for a certain number of games, costing him maybe millions of dollars be punishment enough? Wouldn't suspending him for the rest of this season and the play-offs be a serious punishment? Taking away this person's livelihood ... forever? Is that proportional to the act he did, really? Remember, once out, there is no guarantee you get back in. Ask Kaepernick or Ray Rice. Punishing these young men, infinitely more harshly than painters or engineers or lawyers or doctors are routinely punished for the same offense IS JUST WRONG.
We all have sisters and daughters and wives. We all want then to be safe and free from the threat of ANY violence. But we also have brothers and sons and uncles and dads. And we want them treated fairly when they fuck up. They should be punished, but the punishment should be fair.
If this ends Hunt's career .... is that fair?
Sexists, what seem like 1 troll with a dozen incarnations and a few normal people.
The troll is pretty generous -- when he gets cooking he doesn't use punctuation -- which helps identity the crazy. Last week he was sporting the Long Live #10 thing.
Wouldn't suspending this kid for a certain number of games, costing him maybe millions of dollars be punishment enough? Wouldn't suspending him for the rest of this season and the play-offs be a serious punishment? Taking away this person's livelihood ... forever?
If this ends Hunt's career .... is that fair?
You're arguing about something that hasn't happened, at least not yet. He hasn't been suspended at all, let alone banned from the league. Maybe no one will sign him ever again, and then you can be critical of that. As of now, he's as free to play for an NFL team as anyone else.
My point is simple. NFL players have a very limited career. Any suspension of their playing time and thus their earnings is impactful on them. To end a young man's career ... FOREVER .... which could happen here, is just way too much punishment for a dumb, alcohol-induced response to an equally dumb, alcohol-induced drama. People need to get over their ridiculous level of outrage over these incidents. Your level of outrage has to match the act that is done. He pushed someone and then gave her a half-hearted kick. He didn't punch her or choke her. It didn't appear to me that she was injured, except for her dignity maybe.
Of course no man should hit a woman. EVER. But no woman should hit a man either. NO ONE SHOULD EVER PUT THEIR HANDS ON ANYONE OF ANY AGE, RACE, OR SEX FOR ANY REASON WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF THE OTHER PERSON. EVER. But can we please just start being a little bit more realistic about the way the world really is and not the way we think it should be. If you think for one second that crucifying this young man and making an example of him will stop some drunken husband from slapping his wife around when she pisses him off, brother or sister, are you lost.
Wouldn't suspending this kid for a certain number of games, costing him maybe millions of dollars be punishment enough? Wouldn't suspending him for the rest of this season and the play-offs be a serious punishment? Taking away this person's livelihood ... forever? Is that proportional to the act he did, really? Remember, once out, there is no guarantee you get back in. Ask Kaepernick or Ray Rice. Punishing these young men, infinitely more harshly than painters or engineers or lawyers or doctors are routinely punished for the same offense IS JUST WRONG.
We all have sisters and daughters and wives. We all want then to be safe and free from the threat of ANY violence. But we also have brothers and sons and uncles and dads. And we want them treated fairly when they fuck up. They should be punished, but the punishment should be fair.
If this ends Hunt's career .... is that fair?
No one seriously belives this is a career-ender, that I've seen. How could it be when Ruben Foster spent less than 24 hours on the street and he's been caught up in DV investigations like three times alone this year.
This isn't like Ray Rice in that Rice was already an older in player. Hunt isn't even 24 years old and won the rushing title last year.
On a par with Christian Peter?
But someone will sign hunt in time. Absolutely.
If this ends Hunt's career .... is that fair?
Wellllllllllllllllll....
- Patriots
- Chargers
- Steelers
But someone will sign hunt in time. Absolutely.
I agree. Hunt got fired from a job. He's going to eat his medicine, which probably is going to cost him the rest of this year.
He will resurface next year, hopefully as a better more adjusted man, with some conditions to get a job.
Could it be done?
blast her in the butt
Could it be done?
Why should he never play again? Let him get convicted of a crime based upon this new video evidence. Then, let him serve his time. When that is over and he has paid his debt, why cant he play football? It is only a game. Guys get let out of prison every day and find jobs.
Now imagine if Flowrrs had shoved Kim Jones. I might actually bet on Kim Jones in a fight against Jordan. But how differently would the liberal sexists on BBI have responded if a woman rather than a whiimpy man had been the victim?
Now imagine if Flowrrs had shoved Kim Jones. I might actually bet on Kim Jones in a fight against Jordan. But how differently would the liberal sexists on BBI have responded if a woman rather than a whiimpy man had been the victim?
We all must have missed the part where Flowers chased Jordan out of a hotel because he wouldn't sleep with his boy, and then taken a kick at him on the ground.
Now imagine if Flowrrs had shoved Kim Jones. I might actually bet on Kim Jones in a fight against Jordan. But how differently would the liberal sexists on BBI have responded if a woman rather than a whiimpy man had been the victim?
You really don't have to look very hard to determine how disliked of a figure Ereck Flowers is here. You could probably have picked a better example to work with.
I just saw a quick view of him slapping or punching
then as he started to leave he kicked her at .
You don't hit woman period I did once to my second wife
she got pissed at me and she is like 5'10' with big feet
She was clobbering me with her Penny loafer lol I was
blocking them left and right so I gave her a little shot
to the side of her leg above her knee heck with it I knew
I shouldn't and I felt bad but It hurt her feelings and
I felt bad about it but I would never hurt her .I'm only
5'11 myself these are freaking tough dudes like Ray Rice
I mean really just knock her the heck out .Some of these guys just are touched in the head .
On top of that to imply that your average woman is capable of defending herself again your average man is flat out ignorant. Let alone a world class Male athlete vs nearly any woman outside of Ronda Rouse.
It's not sexist to point out facts and facts don't care about your feelings 😏
Why? The NFL has a right to protect their brand and assaulting women is bad for business. Law Enforcement has nothing to do with what looks good or bad for the league. If they want to suspend a player for this type of conduct, they have every right to do so.