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On a scale of 1-10 how overrated is Emmitt Smith?

Leg of Theismann : 11/30/2018 10:40 pm
I like to randomly go back and watch old games on YouTube and right now I’ve got Lions @ Cowboys on MNF in 1994 (week 3). Part of the reason I’m watching this is because I saw the Emmitt “A Football Life” on NFL network and realized I don’t remember Emmitt ever really “wowing” me the way that Barry Sanders did. They ask the question at the end of the episode “who is the greatest RB of all time?

I think it’s funny that if you google Emmitt Smith highlights, all of the clips are in slow motion from close up angles and I really just wanted to go back and watch him play as though it was a regular broadcast. One of the color guys just said “I hope no one’s going to force us to pick which one of these guys is the best” (referring to Sanders and Smith).

But there any question that Smith would never have been a hall of famer if he never played for the Cowboys? Is there any question that Barry Sanders would have had about 30,000 yards rushing if he played behind that Cowboys o-line? Even watching this it’s just so clear watching this game that Emmitt had massive holes to run through almost every play and Barry was having to dodge 3 defenders in the backfield just to get back to the LOS (mich like we’ve seen Saquon do this year).

I’m really not saying that Emmitt is bad either, he’s obviously good, I just really feel like there are so many RBs (including a number of guys playing today) who I’ve watched who were quicker, faster, stronger, more punishing, and overall more impressive to watch than this guy who averaged 4.2 yards per carry behind the greatest offensive line in the history of the NFL (yeah a little exaggeration there).
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Bubba : 12/1/2018 6:34 am : link
I don't believe he is spoken of as the GOT despite his stats.
I always remember watching him and saying he get 3-4 yards every carry before being touched.
Not a big fan, but he was solid, clutch  
Big Blue '56 : 12/1/2018 7:36 am : link
and a definite HOFer
Dude came out and played  
aka dbrny : 12/1/2018 7:41 am : link
after separating a separated shoulder...and still ran hard.
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Beezer : 12/1/2018 7:46 am : link
In comment 14199171 section125 said:
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Not overrated at all.


This.

Not overrated. He was a great back.
Great player  
Jimmy Googs : 12/1/2018 7:53 am : link
not so great thread...
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jpkmets : 12/1/2018 7:58 am : link
not overrated. He was phenomenal at a ton of things.
RE: Here’s the game btw  
Jerry from Maine : 12/1/2018 8:18 am : link
In comment 14199100 Leg of Theismann said:
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You're joking right... Emmitt was one of the greatest of all time. I don't care who he played for his talent would have prevailed. I only thing I didn't like about him is he wasn't' wearing Giant Blue.
OJ Simpson right now  
arniefez : 12/1/2018 8:26 am : link
is better than Smith was in his prime. Smith was the luckiest football player of all time.
He wasn't overrated at all  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/1/2018 8:26 am : link
.
& a better ? is-on a scale of 1 to 10-  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/1/2018 8:27 am : link
how bad was he on TV? I'll go with 234829084282.
He looked pretty good destroying the Giants  
RottenApple : 12/1/2018 8:40 am : link
all those years.
I don’t know that he is overrated.  
Mike from Ohio : 12/1/2018 8:56 am : link
He is the all time leading rusher, but rarely do you hear his name come up when people talk about the greatest rushers of all time. That discussion is always about Jim Brown, Gale Sayers, Walter Payton, OJ Simpson, Barry Sanders and Eric Dickerson. That would seem to be a tacit acknowledgent that he played on a team that made accumulating yards a little easier. The other guys on that list, save Brown, generally didn’t play on dominant teams.

Smith was a very good back who played on an excellent team much of his career. He was tough and played through pain. He had good vision and finished his runs. I don’t think he was just a product of his team, but I don’t think many overrate him.
MEH  
jonnyess : 12/1/2018 9:25 am : link
- Mercury Morris
Best announcer  
Pete in MD : 12/1/2018 9:33 am : link
ever. Marty Glickman created his own lexicon to describe the game. EnIt created his own language.
Well  
joeinpa : 12/1/2018 9:34 am : link
He was a HOF er against the Giants
Troy Aikman  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 12/1/2018 9:57 am : link
was overrated. He'd be a 15-20 guy if he played today. Emmitt? Would still be top 5 today. IMO.
Wtf? 0!  
trueblueinpw : 12/1/2018 11:54 am : link
I hate the Cowboys and I wouldn’t give a Cowboy credit for much of anything. But I watched at least two of Emmitts games each season. He was among the very best of the best. Zero doubt in my mind. I’d like to know what Simms or LT or Tuna or Hoodie have to say about Emmitt. All time great. Underrated if anything.
RE: Slightly above average at best  
Mad Mike : 12/1/2018 11:58 am : link
In comment 14199158 chiro56 said:
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Not even close to Barry Sanders. Right place right time..

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It should be 0-10  
Glover : 12/1/2018 12:06 pm : link
0 being not overrated at all and 10 being the highest level of overrated ness.
I'll give him a 5.
For real. Great team, incredible offensive line, but also a great runner.
Yea, he could have struggled mightily elsewhere, but you can say that about just about any back., just look at Kareem Hunt getting released.
Aikman  
crick n NC : 12/1/2018 12:40 pm : link
Was an excellent qb in a system that featured the run (rightfully so). I believe he would looked a lot different in a system that highlighted his ability to throw the ball. He also was a smart QB who was plenty tough.

As for Smith, I believe he is underrated by most fans outside of the Dallas fan base. Tremendous back.
Just a very average Hall of Fame running back.  
Marty in Albany : 12/1/2018 12:43 pm : link
Tough and courageous. I wish we had him.
Barry Sanders  
uconngiant : 12/1/2018 4:04 pm : link
would have rushed for over 20,000 yards easy behind that line maybe 25,000 yards.

Very good back with a long career, but not a top 10 overall back IMHO
Emmitt was a sure fire Hall of Famer  
Matt in SGS : 12/1/2018 4:19 pm : link
if you remember, he held out in the 1993 season and Dallas started 0-2 and they clicked when he came back. He was never as good as Barry Sanders, but that's because Sanders was a generational talent (Barkley is the closest to Sanders that I have seen).

But Emmitt was a key cog in that Dallas machine and I was there in 1993 in the separated shoulder game.

I will say that his overall stats are inflated because he was a compiler and stayed around longer than he should have for that reason (his Cardinal days). In his prime though, Emmitt was a year in / year out top 4-5 back and at his best probably #2 behind Sanders.
RE: Emmitt was a sure fire Hall of Famer  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 12/1/2018 4:38 pm : link
In comment 14199628 Matt in SGS said:
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if you remember, he held out in the 1993 season and Dallas started 0-2 and they clicked when he came back. He was never as good as Barry Sanders, but that's because Sanders was a generational talent (Barkley is the closest to Sanders that I have seen).

But Emmitt was a key cog in that Dallas machine and I was there in 1993 in the separated shoulder game.

I will say that his overall stats are inflated because he was a compiler and stayed around longer than he should have for that reason (his Cardinal days). In his prime though, Emmitt was a year in / year out top 4-5 back and at his best probably #2 behind Sanders.


People act like Dallas was so good in the 90s, that anyone could have started at RB and they win Super Bowls. I'm of the opinion that Emmitt was a major reason why Dallas was so good in the 90s.
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Jim Bur(n)t : 12/1/2018 4:48 pm : link
If Hampton had the holes & Oline that ES had...

He was a tough bowling ball, but some make him out to be "Touched by the hand of God" ;)
RE: He’s actually underrated...  
Leg of Theismann : 12/1/2018 4:59 pm : link
In comment 14199188 bw in dc said:
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Was a terrific north-south runner with an uncanny burst those first ten yards. Very good in pass protection and very good in the passing games.

Did he play behind a great oline? Indeed. But so did Paul Hornung, Jim Taylor, Franco Harris, John Riggins, Tony Dorsett, OJ Simpson, Eric Dickerson. So I don’t hold that against him. His longevity was not an accident. It a reflection of hard work and talent.

Do I think he was the same caliber as Sanders, Brown, Faulk, Payton, Sayers? No. But that shouldn’t diminish his greatness.


Underrated, really? Many consider him the greatest RB of all time and he is UNDERrated? Who is he underrated by in your opinion? Other than me I guess lol
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djm : 12/1/2018 4:59 pm : link
In comment 14199102 GeorgeAdams33 said:
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He sucked. My grandmother could've ran for 1000 yards every year behind that great O-line and with Aikman, Irvin & Novacek defenses had enough to worry about. If he were drafted by any other team at that point in time he would've been another JAG.


Oh Please.
RE: RE: Emmitt was a sure fire Hall of Famer  
Leg of Theismann : 12/1/2018 5:03 pm : link
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if you remember, he held out in the 1993 season and Dallas started 0-2 and they clicked when he came back. He was never as good as Barry Sanders, but that's because Sanders was a generational talent (Barkley is the closest to Sanders that I have seen).

But Emmitt was a key cog in that Dallas machine and I was there in 1993 in the separated shoulder game.

I will say that his overall stats are inflated because he was a compiler and stayed around longer than he should have for that reason (his Cardinal days). In his prime though, Emmitt was a year in / year out top 4-5 back and at his best probably #2 behind Sanders.



People act like Dallas was so good in the 90s, that anyone could have started at RB and they win Super Bowls. I'm of the opinion that Emmitt was a major reason why Dallas was so good in the 90s.


The Cowboys has one of the best QBs, one of the best WRs, one is he best TEs (Novacek), probably the best blocking FB ever (Moose), and one of the best OLs ever. Yes, almost any starting RB could have played for the Cowboys at that time and averaged 4.2 yards per carry (as Emmitt did).
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Mad Mike : 12/1/2018 5:14 pm : link
In comment 14199676 Leg of Theismann said:
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Yes, almost any starting RB could have played for the Cowboys at that time and averaged 4.2 yards per carry (as Emmitt did).

Quality.
Smith was a great RB. But like many Cowboy players  
LauderdaleMatty : 12/1/2018 5:35 pm : link
Due to ESPN and most of the media being their bitch he's sadly over rated.

HOF. Ok. But one of the best. A lot of guys were as good. And guys like Brown Ann's Sanders were so much better it's like when idiots compare LBs to Lawrence Taylor.
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Tim in Eternal Blue : 12/1/2018 5:38 pm : link
In comment 14199676 Leg of Theismann said:
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if you remember, he held out in the 1993 season and Dallas started 0-2 and they clicked when he came back. He was never as good as Barry Sanders, but that's because Sanders was a generational talent (Barkley is the closest to Sanders that I have seen).

But Emmitt was a key cog in that Dallas machine and I was there in 1993 in the separated shoulder game.

I will say that his overall stats are inflated because he was a compiler and stayed around longer than he should have for that reason (his Cardinal days). In his prime though, Emmitt was a year in / year out top 4-5 back and at his best probably #2 behind Sanders.



People act like Dallas was so good in the 90s, that anyone could have started at RB and they win Super Bowls. I'm of the opinion that Emmitt was a major reason why Dallas was so good in the 90s.



The Cowboys has one of the best QBs, one of the best WRs, one is he best TEs (Novacek), probably the best blocking FB ever (Moose), and one of the best OLs ever. Yes, almost any starting RB could have played for the Cowboys at that time and averaged 4.2 yards per carry (as Emmitt did).


Troy Aikman only threw for more than 20 TDs once in her a career. Only threw for over 3300 yards twice. One of the best QBs ever? Wow.
Phil Simms by comparison  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 12/1/2018 5:44 pm : link
Played in 6 less games than Troy Aikmen and threw for more yards and had 35 more TDs.
All this talk about him merely being a product of surrounding talent  
santacruzom : 12/1/2018 6:00 pm : link
Loses some luster when you'll so often see arguments that Irvin, Aikman, Novachek, etc were overrated too.
thought he was an outstanding back  
bc4life : 12/1/2018 6:09 pm : link
had an interesting physique - freakishly powerful legs, short torso. strong, tough. if I was looking to talk about overrated athletes - I wouldn't include him
you can make same argument  
bc4life : 12/1/2018 6:10 pm : link
about many players who played on great teams.
RE: RE: He’s actually underrated...  
bw in dc : 12/1/2018 6:14 pm : link
In comment 14199673 Leg of Theismann said:
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Underrated, really? Many consider him the greatest RB of all time and he is UNDERrated? Who is he underrated by in your opinion? Other than me I guess lol


Yes. I rarely hear Smitty at the top of any RB list. The usual suspects, and deservedly so, get those plaudits - Brown, Sanders, Payton, Campbell, Simpson, etc.

The caveat he typically gets, and it’s the theme of this thread, is that Smitty was the beneficiary of his oline. So it’s conditional.

If you live in Texas or Gainesville, perhaps you have a point. But by and large the first person who comes to most people’s minds when talking greatest back ISN’T Smitty.
Guys please just go watch the game in the link  
Leg of Theismann : 12/1/2018 6:41 pm : link
I’m sorry but you watch the guy play and he literally just gets tackled on first contact almost every time and rarely eludes anyone. Saquon Barkleybis already better and he’s a rookie. Saquon behind that OL would have rushed for 2500 yards in a season. I think Zeke would have had more yards than Emmitt too. There’s a reason why people watch Emmitt and say “he wasn’t strong, or fast, or quick, but damn it he gains yards.” Yeah it’s no mystery whybthat was the case. That OL absolutely destroyed the spirit of any defense they went up against and Moose was probably the best blocking FB of all time.
Sorry typing on my phone  
Leg of Theismann : 12/1/2018 6:46 pm : link
That’s why so many typos
Perfect example  
Leg of Theismann : 12/1/2018 6:51 pm : link
In the football life episode about the Dallas OL, they talk about how in super bowl 28, Dallas was losing at halftime. The OL came out and took it upon themselves to completely dominate the Buffalo DL and they ended up winning the game handily. At one point though you hear the play by play guy say “Emmitt bursts through for a gain of 10 yards. He just looks like a completely different back in the 2nd half.” Yeah no shit because the OL stepped up big time and demolished the Buffalo DL. But that just epitomizes how often people atttributed the dominance of that OL to Emmitt being a great player. It was always the OL. Always.
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gmenatlarge : 12/1/2018 7:04 pm : link
In comment 14199102 GeorgeAdams33 said:
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He sucked. My grandmother could've ran for 1000 yards every year behind that great O-line and with Aikman, Irvin & Novacek defenses had enough to worry about. If he were drafted by any other team at that point in time he would've been another JAG.


To say he sucked is just plain ignorant, he is far from the greatest RB, maybe not even atop 10 but still a great player!
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gmenatlarge : 12/1/2018 7:06 pm : link
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if you remember, he held out in the 1993 season and Dallas started 0-2 and they clicked when he came back. He was never as good as Barry Sanders, but that's because Sanders was a generational talent (Barkley is the closest to Sanders that I have seen).

But Emmitt was a key cog in that Dallas machine and I was there in 1993 in the separated shoulder game.

I will say that his overall stats are inflated because he was a compiler and stayed around longer than he should have for that reason (his Cardinal days). In his prime though, Emmitt was a year in / year out top 4-5 back and at his best probably #2 behind Sanders.



People act like Dallas was so good in the 90s, that anyone could have started at RB and they win Super Bowls. I'm of the opinion that Emmitt was a major reason why Dallas was so good in the 90s.



The Cowboys has one of the best QBs, one of the best WRs, one is he best TEs (Novacek), probably the best blocking FB ever (Moose), and one of the best OLs ever. Yes, almost any starting RB could have played for the Cowboys at that time and averaged 4.2 yards per carry (as Emmitt did).



Troy Aikman only threw for more than 20 TDs once in her a career. Only threw for over 3300 yards twice. One of the best QBs ever? Wow.


Different times Aikman did was he was called on to do very accurate and he won, you can’t take that away from him!
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bw in dc : 12/1/2018 8:07 pm : link
In comment 14199877 gmenatlarge said:
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Different times Aikman did was he was called on to do very accurate and he won, you can’t take that away from him!


Aikman was a great talent, but an average plus QB. Go look at his stats. They are very pedestrian.

He's got a lifetime 61% completion rate. I don't think the words "very accurate" come to mind.

And he broke 20 TDs ONCE in his 12 year career.

One of the biggest jokes ever in the HoF.
Was Emmitt lucky to play for JJ behind that OL  
Daniel in MI : 12/1/2018 10:30 pm : link
on a stacked team? Yes.

Is he overrated? I don't think so.

Otherwise, was Montana overrated because he played for the coach innovating the WCO, and played with Roger Craig, Dwight Clark, and some of the best WRs in NFL history?

Was LT lucky to play with Banks, Carson, and Reasons and for BP and BB?

Obviously. But watch that game where Emmitt with a bad shoulder basically beat NYG himself and tell me how overrated he was. And he was (as I recall) a decent guy who went back to school in the NFL to finish his degree.

Of all the Cowboys of that era, I loathe him the least. (The rest can go eat a bag of dicks.)
RE: Was Emmitt lucky to play for JJ behind that OL  
Bluesbreaker : 12/1/2018 10:41 pm : link
In comment 14200217 Daniel in MI said:
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on a stacked team? Yes.

Is he overrated? I don't think so.

Otherwise, was Montana overrated because he played for the coach innovating the WCO, and played with Roger Craig, Dwight Clark, and some of the best WRs in NFL history?

Was LT lucky to play with Banks, Carson, and Reasons and for BP and BB?

Obviously. But watch that game where Emmitt with a bad shoulder basically beat NYG himself and tell me how overrated he was. And he was (as I recall) a decent guy who went back to school in the NFL to finish his degree.

Of all the Cowboys of that era, I loathe him the least. (The rest can go eat a bag of dicks.)


I would just reiterate what you said we beat the living
shit out of him and he still beat us he did everything well tough sob and yeah alot of RB's would have plenty good numbers on that team but he was very durable as well played hurt Yes Great back now
we Zeke who is another PITA that I loathe ...
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gmenatlarge : 12/2/2018 3:46 am : link
In comment 14200019 bw in dc said:
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Different times Aikman did was he was called on to do very accurate and he won, you can’t take that away from him!



Aikman was a great talent, but an average plus QB. Go look at his stats. They are very pedestrian.

He's got a lifetime 61% completion rate. I don't think the words "very accurate" come to mind.

And he broke 20 TDs ONCE in his 12 year career.

One of the biggest jokes ever in the HoF.


To say he’s a joke is just being a cowboy hater, you don’t run the best offense in football for years and win 3 SBs without being great, take the blinders off and nobody cares about stats when you win.
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bw in dc : 12/2/2018 8:11 am : link
In comment 14200337 gmenatlarge said:
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To say he’s a joke is just being a cowboy hater, you don’t run the best offense in football for years and win 3 SBs without being great, take the blinders off and nobody cares about stats when you win.


There is absolutely no Cowboy hate involved. I’m taking a reasonable review of Aikman’s production and it’s underwhelming.

As I stated, he was a great talent. But the individual stats have to some merit. And his really don’t, anyway you slice it. Sounds like you have little to no idea how mediocre his numbers actually are.

I always thought Simms was borderline until Aikman got in. Once that occurred, Simms should have followed because he was actually more productive and has two rings (he was having a great year in ‘90 when he got hurt in week 14, I think he doesn’t get enough credit for the position he put that team in for Hoss)...
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jlukes : 12/2/2018 8:27 am : link
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RE: This thread is PEAK  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 12/2/2018 9:20 am : link
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Big Blue '56 : 12/2/2018 9:47 am : link
In comment 14200217 Daniel in MI said:
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on a stacked team? Yes.

Is he overrated? I don't think so.

Otherwise, was Montana overrated because he played for the coach innovating the WCO, and played with Roger Craig, Dwight Clark, and some of the best WRs in NFL history?

Was LT lucky to play with Banks, Carson, and Reasons and for BP and BB?

Obviously. But watch that game where Emmitt with a bad shoulder basically beat NYG himself and tell me how overrated he was. And he was (as I recall) a decent guy who went back to school in the NFL to finish his degree.

Of all the Cowboys of that era, I loathe him the least. (The rest can go eat a bag of dicks.)


Good post and agreed. I seem to recall reading however, that several teammates thought he overexaggerated his shoulder and other injuries for maximum impact to the media. IIRC
Anyone who thinks or even suggests  
BlueLou'sBack : 12/3/2018 7:47 am : link
that Aikman, Novacek, and Irvin carried Smith got it backwards. That OL and Smith made those 3 look better than they really were.

Smith and that OL carried that team on their backs. And were Hell on the Gmen.
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