NFT: Cano deal almost final. Waiting on physical

In comment 14200549 DanMetroMan said:

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I think they should consider Russell Martin. He's owed 20 million and Toronto wants to move him. Offer them one of the RP prospects for Martin and 13 million. Would mean he's a 1 year 7 million dollar player for the Mets.

Who is his agent? We will only trade for players formerly represented by BVW or his associates.

In comment 14200559 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 14200553 SJGiant said: Quote: That in two years, Mike Trout will be with the Phillies. Add on whoever they get as a major free agent or agents this year, we have to win now. Add the fact that our pitching is in its prime, let�s go for it. Better try and fail in this window, or feel sorry for not trying Win now is adding significantly more AND spending 170-180 million minimum. This move makes the Mets a better team (mostly if McNeil is the 3b, if Frazier is this deal makes them marginally better offensively and better in the 9th inning) but something dumb like trading Thor or thinking Maldonado and the return of Juan Lagares + this deal simply isn't enough. This is a low 80's win team on paper right now.

I agree with this. We need to spend more this year. We will see if BVW is given the freedom to commit dollars and years for quality players

In comment 14200570 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 14200539 DanMetroMan said: Quote: will be ill if they trade Syndergaard. Truly ill. I also lean against trading Syndergaard, but curious about how would you feel about this with SD? Gore (i know they say he's off limits, but that's what Sea said about Diaz) Paddack Margot (conceivably on his way to becoming Pollock-esque) Hedges (not my favorite option but he has been +32 DRS past 2 years) Frees up a lot of money to go the FA route for 3-4 good pitchers. Keuchel, Gio, Miller, Eovaldi, Morton, Robertson.

SD has told teams under no circumstances will they trade Gore or Tatis this off-season so yeah if you get gore maybe you think about it but I also think the offer you are suggesting is far more than what is being reported. They have Paddack as their "top" player they are offering

has been very, very disappointing. He may never hit, too soon to tell but it wouldn't shock me

In comment 14200559 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 14200553 SJGiant said: Quote: That in two years, Mike Trout will be with the Phillies. Add on whoever they get as a major free agent or agents this year, we have to win now. Add the fact that our pitching is in its prime, let�s go for it. Better try and fail in this window, or feel sorry for not trying Win now is adding significantly more AND spending 170-180 million minimum. This move makes the Mets a better team (mostly if McNeil is the 3b, if Frazier is this deal makes them marginally better offensively and better in the 9th inning) but something dumb like trading Thor or thinking Maldonado and the return of Juan Lagares + this deal simply isn't enough. This is a low 80's win team on paper right now.

Really don�t see how worrying about what the Phillies �might� do should determine the Mets course of action. Just try and make this pathetic franchise better which I don�t think they did, oh well.

That means the 2022 and 2023 Mets are on the hook for $50 million across only two players, one of which will be 39 and 40 years old.

And two of their most recent first rounders are gone.

It's pretty much all or nothing the next couple of seasons because the dark days are coming.

Doesn�t he want to win a championship before the end?

If Diaz. I mean how do we invest that much in a dude with a ticking time bomb in his elbow like that. Wasn�t that what putz had too? This would really be days of future past

In comment 14200912 bhill410 said:

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If Diaz. I mean how do we invest that much in a dude with a ticking time bomb in his elbow like that. Wasn�t that what putz had too? This would really be days of future past

It�s not a new issue... it�s something he�s had since he was drafted. It�s just coming off like this is some new headline.... it�s not.

Sign Miller and Harper. C ya in the WS.

1.) Nimmo CF
2.) McNeil 3B
3.) Cespedes LF
4.) Harper RF
5.) Realmuto C
6.) Cano 2B
7.) Alonso 1B
8.) Rosario SS

In comment 14201684 ZGiants98 said:

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Sign Miller and Harper. C ya in the WS.

Conforto and ??? and ??? for Realmuto.

Just, fixing that for you.

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In comment 14201684 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Sign Miller and Harper. C ya in the WS. Conforto and ??? and ??? for Realmuto. Just, fixing that for you.

Yeah right. They�ve already said they would do a Conforto or Nimmo headlined package. Realmuto only has two years of control left and wants out. They aren�t going to do better than Conforto. They can have Dom Smith too I suppose.

In comment 14200081 robbieballs2003 said:

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I'd like it better if it were Bruce, Swarzak and maybe Batista for Cano and Diaz. Seattle basically bought Kelenic and Dunn. I still look at Cano as the bad contract the Mets took to get Diaz, but relief pitchers' careers are short and unpredictable.

I think Kelenic is going to be really, really good.

To me, it's telling that the Mets didn't tender Wilmer Flores. I think they plan to move Cano and McNeil around, DH Cano in AL parks, maybe play Cano at first sometimes if Alonso doesn't catch fire. In short, I think they're really looking at Cano/McNiel as sort of a supercharged version of Flores.

Check out his numbers after coming back from suspension last year. I don�t expect Robbie�s play to drop off a cliff anytime soon, that said you�re still paying him $20M a year for the wrong 5 year stretch of his contract. Unless Diz is lights out again, and for a while, I view this as a meh deal. I guess it�s worth it for the Mets though. I�m not going to pretend to know anything about the prospects going to Seattle

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To me, it's telling that the Mets didn't tender Wilmer Flores..

I think you�re reading too much into it. I think they just didnt want to pay a utility guy with bad knees @ $5 million.

In comment 14202579 Jim in Fairfax said:

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Quote: To me, it's telling that the Mets didn't tender Wilmer Flores.. I think you�re reading too much into it. I think they just didnt want to pay a utility guy with bad knees @ $5 million.

agree with Jim. Flores was shut down in September with early on-set arthritis.

That's not a guy you pay $5M per season for, when you have doubts about his availability.

In comment 14200538 DanMetroMan said:

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1 of Ramos, Grandal, Cervelli 2 RP's (Miller and Robertson the pair I like) 1 low end SP (Gio would be solid) Pollock

Dan, whats your thoughts on

Which catcher you think is best for the SPs?

Can Frazier play 1b?

Pollocks injury history, has great tools but still scares me

Joe Kelly

Mcneil at 3b

Cespedes return in July

Re-sign Wheeler

Thoughts on Jarred Kelenic last 2 months in Kingsport

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In comment 14200538 DanMetroMan said: Quote: 1 of Ramos, Grandal, Cervelli 2 RP's (Miller and Robertson the pair I like) 1 low end SP (Gio would be solid) Pollock Dan, whats your thoughts on Which catcher you think is best for the SPs? Can Frazier play 1b? Pollocks injury history, has great tools but still scares me Joe Kelly Mcneil at 3b Cespedes return in July Re-sign Wheeler Thoughts on Jarred Kelenic last 2 months in Kingsport

Personally my catching list is Ramos, Cervelli, Grandal and then something like Vargas and one of the RP prospects for Russell Martin. I don't agree a TOTAL zero defensive catcher is a good idea for a team with this lineup. How many hitters in this lineup have produced at all? Have produced for more than one season? It's a short list. I like Pollock but I suspect someone gets nutty and gives him 5, I don't think I could go more than 4. Frazier should be the starting 1b to open the season, agreed on Wheeler and I think Kelenic is going to be very good personally. I've heard they aren't sure they see Cespedes at all so July seems otimistic so who knows?

Why don't they just sign a good closer in the FA market and save their money and prospects? Throw money at elite guys not a guy closing in on being labeled a has been.

... Not.

Fucking Loser organization

In comment 14203023 xman said:

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Why don't they just sign a good closer in the FA market and save their money and prospects? Throw money at elite guys not a guy closing in on being labeled a has been.

I think BVW is thinking a closer is going to cost him 80 million, whereas he got a closer and all star 2b for only 65 million guaranteed

Also, I think he is focused on making a big splash in year one given his unconventional background. And this trade definitely makes Mets better next season. Don�t think BVW is concerned about mortgaging the future since he might not even be here

In comment 14203052 Vanzetti said:

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Don�t think BVW is concerned about mortgaging the future since he might not even be here

This is the type of thinking that keeps teams mediocre/bad...like the Mets.

And it�s a really stupid philosophy.

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In comment 14203052 Vanzetti said: Quote: Don�t think BVW is concerned about mortgaging the future since he might not even be here This is the type of thinking that keeps teams mediocre/bad...like the Mets. And it�s a really stupid philosophy.

The wilpons don't have a philosophy, they just consistently make bad decisions while underinvesting in the team. Part of me thinks the best we will ever get with them is the random year with a lucky run so selling out the farm while they have JDG and Thor may not be the worst idea. They will never have the patience and discipline to allow a real GM to run the franchise the right way.

on the field have indicated, I can't see how you would like it.

like Segura to the Phillies in a deal involving Crawford.

In comment 14203119 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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on the field have indicated, I can't see how you would like it.

I don't like the value of the deal but if they're going to extend jdg they should be making win now moves. They are still 4+ moves away from calling themselves a contender in the division, but those moves are out there if they choose to spend.

I would let him start the season as the CF with Cespedes hopefully coming back sometime over the summer.

I would invest the remaining payroll budget in 2 RP's (2 of Miller, Robertson, Familia) and a Grandal. Shorten the game, lengthen the lineup and tighten up the D.

I know with Lagares there is massive injury risk, but Pollock comes with his own injury history, and would cost a lot in terms of years and dollars.

To start the season, you don�t have Cespedes so that hurts. If you go and sign a big FA outfielder, then Cespedes comes back and you have no place to play him.

I think they should look at adding one of the second tier guys on a 1-year deal for depth behind Nimmo, Conforto, Lagares..

In comment 14201670 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 14200912 bhill410 said: Quote: If Diaz. I mean how do we invest that much in a dude with a ticking time bomb in his elbow like that. Wasn�t that what putz had too? This would really be days of future past It�s not a new issue... it�s something he�s had since he was drafted. It�s just coming off like this is some new headline.... it�s not.

Whether it�s new or not. We shouldn�t be taken on a bad contract and giving all your best prospects if the main piece has arm concerns. Come on dude, you know how risky stuff like this works out for this team.

In comment 14203324 debo_GIANTS said:

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I would let him start the season as the CF with Cespedes hopefully coming back sometime over the summer. I would invest the remaining payroll budget in 2 RP's (2 of Miller, Robertson, Familia) and a Grandal. Shorten the game, lengthen the lineup and tighten up the D. I know with Lagares there is massive injury risk, but Pollock comes with his own injury history, and would cost a lot in terms of years and dollars.

They should�ve traded him away to seattle too.

Kris Bryant trade work for anyone here?

honestly, Cespedes is just the new Wright. His contract is mostly going to come back in insurance money and we probably won't even hear about him all that much this year. His surgeries had a potential 12+ month recovery time, and he had them on each foot - so he probably won't even be 100% until this time next year.

is 33 years old coming off 2 major surgeries and has played 119 games in 2 years. If he's back before July it would be a shocker, won't be able to play every day. Only poorly run teams would avoid a "big" OF because of Yoenis Cespedes.

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Kris Bryant trade work for anyone here?

short answer, yes.

In comment 14203451 Metnut said:

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Kris Bryant trade work for anyone here?

No brainer IF Bryant's shoulder checked out.

how much the wilpons let BVW spend and how those moves work out will in large part determine how the cano deal translates to success. I'd say by itself this deal brought the O/U for wins up from about 75 --> 80. By itself that's not worth giving up Kelenic. That puts them about 3-4 good additions away from 90 though. Being at least $30-40m below last year's payroll right now 3-4 additions should be easily doable from a resource standpoint. Cervelli, Miller, Robertson are 3 that would each be around $10m AAV.

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No sourcing, just a vibe, but it does feel like @GMBVW is creating a path to @Bharper3407 ... and if he trades @Noahsyndergaard for zero $ guys and deals @You_Found_Nimmo for an Indians pitcher, it opens that path even wider. What do think?


Thor "for" Kluber ADDS payroll. Why would that in any way help you chase Harper? lol

In comment 14203531 DanMetroMan said:

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is really a dummy Matthew Cerrone ‏ @matthewcerrone 15m15 minutes ago More No sourcing, just a vibe, but it does feel like @GMBVW is creating a path to @Bharper3407 ... and if he trades @Noahsyndergaard for zero $ guys and deals @You_Found_Nimmo for an Indians pitcher, it opens that path even wider. What do think? Thor "for" Kluber ADDS payroll. Why would that in any way help you chase Harper? lol

Sometimes I wonder if he is actually thinking for himself or is ownership floating ideas through him to see how fans react.

to the Phillies looks done. Santana, Crawford and "prospects" involved possibly going both ways. Nice pickup for the Phillies.

headed from Seattle to the Phillies in the deal.

In comment 14202568 Dave in PA said:

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Check out his numbers after coming back from suspension last year. I don�t expect Robbie�s play to drop off a cliff anytime soon, that said you�re still paying him $20M a year for the wrong 5 year stretch of his contract. Unless Diz is lights out again, and for a while, I view this as a meh deal. I guess it�s worth it for the Mets though. I�m not going to pretend to know anything about the prospects going to Seattle

If he could still produce then why was he taking Peds last year? Given the mets FA history, just how long before this guy gets hurt, an older player with Ped history? Face it, this has all the makings of another Met FA disaster!

In comment 14203549 DanMetroMan said:

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to the Phillies looks done. Santana, Crawford and "prospects" involved possibly going both ways. Nice pickup for the Phillies.

Damn, this move allows them to shift Hoskins to 1B and opens up a spot for Harper. Not good

That Lorenzo Cain received a year ago.

The Braves are very interested in Keuchel.

In comment 14203636 Jay on the Island said:

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That Lorenzo Cain received a year ago. The Braves are very interested in Keuchel.

Pollock seems very unlikely to get the deal Cain got. Cain is a better player, was coming off a much better season (4.3war vs. 2.5war), and wasn't as injury prone. I think he will end up somewhere in the 4/65m range, or possibly a higher AAV 3 year deal around 3/55m with either one including some kind of vesting year option based on playing time that could bring it closer to what Cain got.

I'm Pollock I ask for an opt out after 1-2 seasons. He's the kind of guy who randomly stays healthy puts up a monster season where he really gets paid

Press conference tomorrow at 11:00. Can will wear number 24.

I hope he has some good years left. Baseball is way more fun when the Yankees and Mets both have a chance.

In comment 14203769 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 14203636 Jay on the Island said: Quote: That Lorenzo Cain received a year ago. The Braves are very interested in Keuchel. Pollock seems very unlikely to get the deal Cain got. Cain is a better player, was coming off a much better season (4.3war vs. 2.5war), and wasn't as injury prone. I think he will end up somewhere in the 4/65m range, or possibly a higher AAV 3 year deal around 3/55m with either one including some kind of vesting year option based on playing time that could bring it closer to what Cain got.

I agree, I wouldn't want to give Pollock 5 years. I would consider giving him 4 but even then I would be a bit hesitant.

for the Mets. Cano plays over 150 games per year, will hit 30 HRs and drive in over 100 runs. Plus, he's already played for the big club in NY and will have no problem with the media or pressure. It'll be fun watching him across the way in Queens.