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BREAKING NEWS: According to a Report by Dominican Sportscaster @TenchyRodEspn Robinson Cano has been notified and called to the USA by his agent, and is just awaiting a physical exam to make his trade to the @mets official.#ZDigital #ZDeportes@z101digital @ZDeportes
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Absolutely. There's about 20 pages to go through if you feel like understanding why.
We just added two all-stars and our payroll for 2019 actually went down.
Mets should have had leverage here and people will say prospects are prospects, but when you take the M's salary dump (Cano) and only get a closer out of it, you should not give up this much in terms of prospects - especially and this is the key point, there are many bullpen options available in free agency.
I hope Cano fails his physical.
Mets should have had leverage here and people will say prospects are prospects, but when you take the M's salary dump (Cano) and only get a closer out of it, you should not give up this much in terms of prospects - especially and this is the key point, there are many bullpen options available in free agency.
I hope Cano fails his physical.
That is my take as well especially when there are closers in FA that can be had.
Cano for 20-ish million, Bruce, Swarzak (net 50 million or so back) leaving 60 million on the Cano deal over 60 years. Steamer has Cano worth over 20 million alone next year.
The next part is Edwin Diaz, the best closer in baseball last year who's 24 and under control for 4 more years, for Kelenic, Dunn, and Bautista. Kelenic and Dunn were rated the Mets 4th and 5th best prospects by BA a few days ago... Bautista is a lottery ticket reliever.
Because of the bad contracts going the other way, payroll actually gets lowered and Mets can still spend spend spend.
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Absolutely. There's about 20 pages to go through if you feel like understanding why.
We just added two all-stars and our payroll for 2019 actually went down.
Yeah I like it too. Prospects are such a gamble. It stings including him but he could be the next Lastings Millege or Fernando Martinez.
As longer as we take the money and get another impact player, it 100% makes sense.
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Absolutely. There's about 20 pages to go through if you feel like understanding why.
We just added two all-stars and our payroll for 2019 actually went down.
Yeah I like it too. Prospects are such a gamble. It stings including him but he could be the next Lastings Millege or Fernando Martinez.
As longer as we take the money and get another impact player, it 100% makes sense.
SO many people think we can just sign Kimbrel for 100 million and an IF upgrade without giving up prospects. The problem with that is you just added 30+ million to the payroll and your offseason is likely done or your trading Syndergaard for pieces. Fuck that. This is much better.
Cano for 20-ish million, Bruce, Swarzak (net 50 million or so back) leaving 60 million on the Cano deal over 60 years. Steamer has Cano worth over 20 million alone next year.
The next part is Edwin Diaz, the best closer in baseball last year who's 24 and under control for 4 more years, for Kelenic, Dunn, and Bautista. Kelenic and Dunn were rated the Mets 4th and 5th best prospects by BA a few days ago... Bautista is a lottery ticket reliever.
Because of the bad contracts going the other way, payroll actually gets lowered and Mets can still spend spend spend.
Sure they could spend spend spend but the question like always is will they?
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The deal basically boils down to
Cano for 20-ish million, Bruce, Swarzak (net 50 million or so back) leaving 60 million on the Cano deal over 60 years. Steamer has Cano worth over 20 million alone next year.
The next part is Edwin Diaz, the best closer in baseball last year who's 24 and under control for 4 more years, for Kelenic, Dunn, and Bautista. Kelenic and Dunn were rated the Mets 4th and 5th best prospects by BA a few days ago... Bautista is a lottery ticket reliever.
Because of the bad contracts going the other way, payroll actually gets lowered and Mets can still spend spend spend.
Sure they could spend spend spend but the question like always is will they?
Of course they will. You dont do this deal and then call it. Sit back and enjoy the ride.
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The deal basically boils down to
Cano for 20-ish million, Bruce, Swarzak (net 50 million or so back) leaving 60 million on the Cano deal over 60 years. Steamer has Cano worth over 20 million alone next year.
The next part is Edwin Diaz, the best closer in baseball last year who's 24 and under control for 4 more years, for Kelenic, Dunn, and Bautista. Kelenic and Dunn were rated the Mets 4th and 5th best prospects by BA a few days ago... Bautista is a lottery ticket reliever.
Because of the bad contracts going the other way, payroll actually gets lowered and Mets can still spend spend spend.
Sure they could spend spend spend but the question like always is will they?
Of course they will. You dont do this deal and then call it. Sit back and enjoy the ride.
Well full disclosure I'm not a Mets fan but have close family and friends who are. Not a Mets hater either, just interested and hope for my family and friends sake, the Mets do spend.
Also on Cano, I'm pretty sure he still has 120 mil left on his deal, not 110. Not a big deal but it's another two mil a year over the five.
If they trade Thor I will be pissed and if they trade Thor for a less than no brained, slam dunk package I will be livid.
So TBD for me. I can see the pros and cons to the move.
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The deal basically boils down to
Cano for 20-ish million, Bruce, Swarzak (net 50 million or so back) leaving 60 million on the Cano deal over 60 years. Steamer has Cano worth over 20 million alone next year.
The next part is Edwin Diaz, the best closer in baseball last year who's 24 and under control for 4 more years, for Kelenic, Dunn, and Bautista. Kelenic and Dunn were rated the Mets 4th and 5th best prospects by BA a few days ago... Bautista is a lottery ticket reliever.
Because of the bad contracts going the other way, payroll actually gets lowered and Mets can still spend spend spend.
Sure they could spend spend spend but the question like always is will they?
Of course they will. You dont do this deal and then call it. Sit back and enjoy the ride.
Well full disclosure I'm not a Mets fan but have close family and friends who are. Not a Mets hater either, just interested and hope for my family and friends sake, the Mets do spend.
Also on Cano, I'm pretty sure he still has 120 mil left on his deal, not 110. Not a big deal but it's another two mil a year over the five.
Final numbers haven't been released but most reports are saying there will be about a 60 million net when it's done. It really doesnt matter. The Mets dont have a single contract on the books passed 2020. They can absorb it easily.
middle infielders and starting pitching are the strengths.
Trading a different prospect from Kelenic would have made a better trade for the Mets.
middle infielders and starting pitching are the strengths.
Trading a different prospect from Kelenic would have made a better trade for the Mets.
I jut said this in the other thread but I seem to remember you saying you would be devastated if it was Gimenez over Kelenic. Apparently the Mets were given the option to protect two prospects and they chose Alonso and Gimenez. You're right that there is no depth but with Bruce gone you can expect another addition and Conforto and Nimmo are young and under control for the foreseeable future. Sign Harper and nobody is going to care about our OF depth.
Alonso is the one I'd have been pushing, but it sounds like from capone the league feels the same way about Alonso as I do.
and to be clear for some perspective, I'm not devastated at all.
this is just not a trade I would have made.
from the sounds of it the M's were desperate to get rid of Cano's contract, losing 2 of your top 5 prospects, to take that contract and get a closer doesn't seem like desperate to me.
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Allegedly, Bryce Harper told a friend he doesn't want to live in Philadelphia. The real question is, why would anyone want to live in Philadelphia?
its always sunny in philadelphia unless your santa?
Helps the Mariners, who are blowing it up, win later. Kelenic is a legit prospect. No denying that.
I dont think any Mets fan truly cares about the money, Dunn, or Bautista though. Not if they are honest.
What stings is basically losing Kelenic for an elite closer and Cano but what do people really expect Diaz was going to cost?
its definitely fair.
Lets see how this plays out. I fear that the Mets will be mediocre and that they will be hamstrung by Cano and his contract
And to make matters worse Kelenic and Dunn will be plus players
The Mets are not the Yankees they do not throw money after their mistakes, quite the contrary they use bad economics as an excuse to spend money
If this fails you can expect at least 5 years of bad baseball
Why cant the Mets build a team around young players and supplement with quality free agents?
This trade is about how to make it appear that the Mets are actually spending money to improve the team
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Lets see how this plays out. I fear that the Mets will be mediocre and that they will be hamstrung by Cano and his contract
And to make matters worse Kelenic and Dunn will be plus players
The Mets are not the Yankees they do not throw money after their mistakes, quite the contrary they use bad economics as an excuse to spend money
If this fails you can expect at least 5 years of bad baseball
Why cant the Mets build a team around young players and supplement with quality free agents?
This trade is about how to make it appear that the Mets are actually spending money to improve the team
Who says they arent?? The Mets payroll was 160 million last year and the Wilpons publicly said it was Sandy who chose not to spend more. They hire BVW and flat out tell him he can spend and go for it, or else he's never giving up his cushy job to come here. Last I checked, the Yankees are now trying to keep it under the luxury tax threshold. So assuming the Mets are truly going to spend more what's the difference between that and around 200 million? Not a whole lot. The time is now. Im sick of waiting.
If the Mets win, and win soon, the guy is a hero.
If they don't and it gets bad like the past few seasons, it will get really ugly, really quickly for Brodie.
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I really cant see any way this deal could blow up in their face unless Diaz gets Tommy John in ST and never pitches again (knock on wood).
Now all that said and economics aside, I do like both of the players they brought back a lot. Cano is the all around hitter they haven't had since pre-injury Wright. At least until they catch his new peds. Diaz' strikeout numbers are other wordly. So cross our fingers and hope for the best. This team is built around 2 elite SP and pitchers break so may as well take our best shot while they are healthy. Just don't half ass it. Go out and sign 3-4 more good free agents. A lot of them can help and won't break the bank - like Pollock, Miller, Grandal, Familia, Ramos, Gio, Robertson, Soria, etc.
If the Mets win, and win soon, the guy is a hero.
If they don't and it gets bad like the past few seasons, it will get really ugly, really quickly for Brodie.
Why because we traded away one player who COULD be an impact 4 years from now?
I hate losing Kelenic, but its not like the Mets have a long history of prospects panning out. At 19, hes a long way off & the Mets are a win now team. Good start to the offseason.
I hate losing Kelenic, but its not like the Mets have a long history of prospects panning out. At 19, hes a long way off & the Mets are a win now team. Good start to the offseason.
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Mariners send $20M to mets to complete deal
Ok. So what we thought...
I hate losing Kelenic, but its not like the Mets have a long history of prospects panning out. At 19, hes a long way off & the Mets are a win now team. Good start to the offseason.
Agree . I dont understand the idea of trading Thor so I hope that isnt the next move. Hope for Harper but more realistic is Ramos and Pollack
too expensive and one dimensional. He would have been backup 1B and we can do that with TJ Rivera/Dom Smith for much cheaper.
Combined with those two simply under-performing, the Mets as a team just don't play well and are not a playoff team, once again being out of the contention by the trade deadline (just for example).
Meanwhile, in two years Kelenic is Mookie Betts 2.0, and the Mets can't make the moves they want because they're paying an albatross Robbie Cano to not contribute this trade will look awful. And I agree I don't care about Dunn or Bautista so I won't be disingenuous and claim any success they have will bother me.
Of course though, like I said, win and all is forgotten, Brodie is a genius with a set of brass balls making a trade like this as his first major league transaction.
but if you don't think this can blow up, you are kidding yourself.
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Thats all? Jeesh
Now go do more. Sign Andrew Miller. Get a legit catcher. Go big game hunting.
Combined with those two simply under-performing, the Mets as a team just don't play well and are not a playoff team, once again being out of the contention by the trade deadline (just for example).
Meanwhile, in two years Kelenic is Mookie Betts 2.0, and the Mets can't make the moves they want because they're paying an albatross Robbie Cano to not contribute this trade will look awful. And I agree I don't care about Dunn or Bautista so I won't be disingenuous and claim any success they have will bother me.
Of course though, like I said, win and all is forgotten, Brodie is a genius with a set of brass balls making a trade like this as his first major league transaction.
but if you don't think this can blow up, you are kidding yourself.
Ok ill take my chances Diaz will be good over the next few years over Kelenic being good in 3-4. And who cares if he turns into Trout? That's the risk. All teams trade prospects knowing they can become great. Doesnt matter one bit. His value is his value and thats a 50-100 overall prospect years away. Aka. Not a ton as of today.
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Thats all? Jeesh
they unofficially absorbed 36 mil of bad deals that helps us for '19 in bruce and swarzak so its really 56 mil
but that next one can be "the" one.
You take the risk when the upside is so good it outweighs the risk.
I don't think Diaz is worth the risk when there were many free agent options out there.
that is my point.
And let's not lose sight of the fact we're all Mets fans (those of us who are Mets fans) and I think we all want this trade to work out and either turn the Mets into contenders or be a catalyst to some other moves that do.
I hope in September we're revisiting these discussions and laughing at me.
but as a Mets fan the way everything has blown up on us the past 30 years I have the right to be cynical.
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Combined with those two simply under-performing, the Mets as a team just don't play well and are not a playoff team, once again being out of the contention by the trade deadline (just for example).
Meanwhile, in two years Kelenic is Mookie Betts 2.0, and the Mets can't make the moves they want because they're paying an albatross Robbie Cano to not contribute this trade will look awful. And I agree I don't care about Dunn or Bautista so I won't be disingenuous and claim any success they have will bother me.
Of course though, like I said, win and all is forgotten, Brodie is a genius with a set of brass balls making a trade like this as his first major league transaction.
but if you don't think this can blow up, you are kidding yourself.
agreed all around. With Seattle only kicking in $20m cash Cano is now on our books for 5 years $100m. We can delude ourselves into thinking Swarzaks 1 yr 8m was crippling. Or Bruce's 2 years / 28m. They weren't.
You know what was crippling? David Wright's 8 year 138m contract ($17m AAV). We just got done waiting that out as the primary excuse for why we couldn't sign good free agents for the past 5-6 years. And now we've signed ourselves up for a second helping locking in an even higher net AAV 20m/year contract through age 41.
On the positve side Cano seems unlikely to break his back on a hustle play.
Great deal the Mets will be paying $100M over the next 5 years
Anyone who does not think that this will retard Mets investments in the future are fooling yourself
Bruce and Swarzak were coming off the books next year
The commitment to Cano will be the gift that keeps on giving for 5 years
Lets see how you feel about the deal when the Mets do not have the money to resign Wheeler,Thor, Conforto, etc and they do not have replacements in the minors
Great deal the Mets will be paying $100M over the next 5 years
Anyone who does not think that this will retard Mets investments in the future are fooling yourself
Bruce and Swarzak were coming off the books next year
The commitment to Cano will be the gift that keeps on giving for 5 years
Lets see how you feel about the deal when the Mets do not have the money to resign Wheeler,Thor, Conforto, etc and they do not have replacements in the minors
bruce has 2 yrs on his deal not 1 and the last few years ofd the cano deal we have nothing on the books
The swarzak thing is especially confusing bc their BP is still empty. They still need to add a few veterans so they may not even save all that money depending on who they sign. So while they can definitely find a similar talent cheaper, it's not as if he wasn't useful. The same people acting like he was some totally under water asset were calling him a top setup man last year. The reality is he's just a mediocre and injury prone middle reliever. The going rate for those types is usually still 1 year $3-4m like Salas a few years back.
If Cano flounders, the Mets will be stuck like they are with Cespedes.
I think Brody is remembering his old client and not the player on the way down he could certainly turn out to be. This has all the makings of a huge mistake by our inexperienced GM wanting to make a splash and being a little too quick on the trigger.
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So from what I can ascertain the Mets will owe Cano $24M x 5 years = $120M -$20M = $100M
Great deal the Mets will be paying $100M over the next 5 years
Anyone who does not think that this will retard Mets investments in the future are fooling yourself
Bruce and Swarzak were coming off the books next year
The commitment to Cano will be the gift that keeps on giving for 5 years
Lets see how you feel about the deal when the Mets do not have the money to resign Wheeler,Thor, Conforto, etc and they do not have replacements in the minors
bruce has 2 yrs on his deal not 1 and the last few years ofd the cano deal we have nothing on the books
Until the JDG extension. And we have to resign Conforto or Nimmo to 15-20m/year deals. And there's $100m on 4 players. Or 2/3 of our total payroll from last year.
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So from what I can ascertain the Mets will owe Cano $24M x 5 years = $120M -$20M = $100M
Great deal the Mets will be paying $100M over the next 5 years
Anyone who does not think that this will retard Mets investments in the future are fooling yourself
Bruce and Swarzak were coming off the books next year
The commitment to Cano will be the gift that keeps on giving for 5 years
Lets see how you feel about the deal when the Mets do not have the money to resign Wheeler,Thor, Conforto, etc and they do not have replacements in the minors
bruce has 2 yrs on his deal not 1 and the last few years ofd the cano deal we have nothing on the books
Until the JDG extension. And we have to resign Conforto or Nimmo to 15-20m/year deals. And there's $100m on 4 players. Or 2/3 of our total payroll from last year.
Those shouldve been BRody's first moves. Resigning the stud pitchers.
I think Brody is remembering his old client and not the player on the way down he could certainly turn out to be. This has all the makings of a huge mistake by our inexperienced GM wanting to make a splash and being a little too quick on the trigger.
I think Brody is remembering his old client and not the player on the way down he could certainly turn out to be. This has all the makings of a huge mistake by our inexperienced GM wanting to make a splash and being a little too quick on the trigger.
I agree. I think Brody is buying into whatever his initial pitch was in terms of why Cano will still be worth the money at age 40. Took on way too much $ risk that I think he will regret a lot quicker than he realizes.
I hate losing Kelenic, but its not like the Mets have a long history of prospects panning out. At 19, hes a long way off & the Mets are a win now team. Good start to the offseason.
Totally agree.
Interested as to what happens next.
Hold the starting pitching, sign a bopper and bulwark the pen and I'm thrilled.
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So from what I can ascertain the Mets will owe Cano $24M x 5 years = $120M -$20M = $100M
Great deal the Mets will be paying $100M over the next 5 years
Anyone who does not think that this will retard Mets investments in the future are fooling yourself
Bruce and Swarzak were coming off the books next year
The commitment to Cano will be the gift that keeps on giving for 5 years
Lets see how you feel about the deal when the Mets do not have the money to resign Wheeler,Thor, Conforto, etc and they do not have replacements in the minors
bruce has 2 yrs on his deal not 1 and the last few years ofd the cano deal we have nothing on the books
Until the JDG extension. And we have to resign Conforto or Nimmo to 15-20m/year deals. And there's $100m on 4 players. Or 2/3 of our total payroll from last year.
pumps the brakes on nimmo or comforto getting 20 mil a year off 1 really good year and 1.5 good years
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I think Brody is remembering his old client and not the player on the way down he could certainly turn out to be. This has all the makings of a huge mistake by our inexperienced GM wanting to make a splash and being a little too quick on the trigger.
This trade is about getting Diaz (a cost controlled closer who was arguably the best in all of baseball in '18) and turning Bruce/Swarzak into Cano. It sucks they'd be getting rid of the '18 first round pick, but the move will theoretically open up some room to spend on the bullpen, C and OF.
If Cano flounders, the Mets will be stuck like they are with Cespedes.
Yup. Said it in the other thread. This is an agent/GM allowing his relationship with a player to cloud his judgement. You already know how this will workout for the Mets. Hell play his age.
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The Mets held all the cards and yet took on the most risk (a reliever and a vet with history of suspected PED use).
If Cano flounders, the Mets will be stuck like they are with Cespedes.
Yup. Said it in the other thread. This is an agent/GM allowing his relationship with a player to cloud his judgement. You already know how this will workout for the Mets. Hell play his age.
I think I'm (ignorantly) optimistic about it. Maybe we'll catch a break for once or be shrewd and unload him plus cash in 2-3 years.
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If this guy thought he needed that to compete last year how will be another year older and Ped free because he cant risk getting caught again. When was the last time an aging player like that improved without Peds?
I think Brody is remembering his old client and not the player on the way down he could certainly turn out to be. This has all the makings of a huge mistake by our inexperienced GM wanting to make a splash and being a little too quick on the trigger.
This trade is about getting Diaz (a cost controlled closer who was arguably the best in all of baseball in '18) and turning Bruce/Swarzak into Cano. It sucks they'd be getting rid of the '18 first round pick, but the move will theoretically open up some room to spend on the bullpen, C and OF.
Knowing how relievers perform season to season. Its not even worth it
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As much as I'd love to give the job to McNeil, I fear Frazier will at least start out getting the bulk of the playing time there.
Until the JDG extension. And we have to resign Conforto or Nimmo to 15-20m/year deals. And there's $100m on 4 players. Or 2/3 of our total payroll from last year.
pumps the brakes on nimmo or comforto getting 20 mil a year off 1 really good year and 1.5 good years
As a free agent 5 years ago the Mets gave Granderson 15m/year. That's not that high of number considering both players have had all star caliber seasons already. Obviously they need to keep performing and not regress though.
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As much as I'd love to give the job to McNeil, I fear Frazier will at least start out getting the bulk of the playing time there.
I think Frazier is more likely to start the year at 1B playing over Alonso than 3B playing over Mcneil. My guess at the lineup right now would be:
Nimmo RF
Rosario SS
Cano 2B
Conforto LF
Frazier 1B
Mcneil 3B
Lagares CF
Plawecki C
Alonso could conceivably beat out Frazier. And I think they will add a veteran C and CF. Pollock would be my #1 target and I'd hit him 2nd and move Rosario down to 7 to start the year. #2 target would probably be Grandal or Ramos.
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As much as I'd love to give the job to McNeil, I fear Frazier will at least start out getting the bulk of the playing time there.
I think Frazier is more likely to start the year at 1B playing over Alonso than 3B playing over Mcneil. My guess at the lineup right now would be:
Nimmo RF
Rosario SS
Cano 2B
Conforto LF
Frazier 1B
Mcneil 3B
Lagares CF
Plawecki C
Alonso could conceivably beat out Frazier. And I think they will add a veteran C and CF. Pollock would be my #1 target and I'd hit him 2nd and move Rosario down to 7 to start the year. #2 target would probably be Grandal or Ramos.
I hope not with Frazier, hes terrible and was an awful signing for the Mets!
That includes taking on Bruces and Swarzaks contracts
So Seattle will have Bruce @ $14M per year starting in the outfield for two years , and Swarzak in relief @ $8M
Who do you think will be more productive over the next two years Bruce or Cano?
good young closer but eating all that money is 100% a win now move. sorry but i dont think the mets are a WIN NOW team. they should have dumped starters and rebuilt the farm.
That includes taking on Bruces and Swarzaks contracts
So Seattle will have Bruce @ $14M per year starting in the outfield for two years , and Swarzak in relief @ $8M
Who do you think will be more productive over the next two years Bruce or Cano?
I would say Cano over the next 2 years. but those last 3 years are going to be ugly and that's the $65m the M's are saving. Mets should have gotten more money towards those seasons. Brodie put them on credit card.
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Will they be forced to trade their pitchers at the trade deadline because theyre paying this albatross of a contract? Why do you think Seattle is willing to pay to get rid of Cano? Disaster!
Yes the Mets wont sign any pitchers. They will pay Cano his 15-20 million per year and the remaining payroll will drop from 160-200 million down to 25 million in 2020 since thats their only contract. They will fill in their entire roster with minimum contracts and have the lowest payroll of all time.
Doesnt even merit a response.".
2. Cano becomes the next Ortiz
3. They win a ws
4. The Wilpons are willing to outspend the dead money
Long odds on all 4 imo.
Frazier stinks, he was OK for the Yankees they didntt need a bat like the Mets did. Now he is a player on the way down with his .210 BA and his defense fell off considerably last year also.
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Edwin Daz was the eighth best pitcher in baseball last year by FanGraphs WPA. Not relief pitcher. Pitcher. He was better than Chris Sale, Kyle Freeland, Corey Kluber, and Tyler Bauer.
Nobody disputes that his performance last year was HOF caliber. Whether or not he can keep it up is the unknown but I guess if ur gonna roll the dice on a guy u do it on the guy avging 15k/9. Another good point seidler made is that diaz can still get flipped 1 or 2 years down the road if nec for a return similar to brad hand - which could conceivably recoup losing kelenic. The downside is having cano on the books and the wilpons cashing the checks.
If that long, but they will still have to pay him, maybe they can Bonilla him.
Yeah, maybe hell take Ellsburys contract off the ayankees hands, doh!
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Edwin Daz was the eighth best pitcher in baseball last year by FanGraphs WPA. Not relief pitcher. Pitcher. He was better than Chris Sale, Kyle Freeland, Corey Kluber, and Tyler Bauer.
Nobody disputes that his performance last year was HOF caliber. Whether or not he can keep it up is the unknown but I guess if ur gonna roll the dice on a guy u do it on the guy avging 15k/9. Another good point seidler made is that diaz can still get flipped 1 or 2 years down the road if nec for a return similar to brad hand - which could conceivably recoup losing kelenic. The downside is having cano on the books and the wilpons cashing the checks.
Yup. I said the same thing up in the thread earlier to PJ.
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he's a good defender, he can play a few positions, up until last year he was always healthy and even missing a bunch of games he hit 18 homers. He's a good depth player for a team that always seems to find itself without enough depth.
Frazier stinks, he was OK for the Yankees they didntt need a bat like the Mets did. Now he is a player on the way down with his .210 BA and his defense fell off considerably last year also.
He graded out as the best defender on the team out of players who played 500+ innings. 1 of only 2 who had a positive defensive impact.
Mets defense last year - ( New Window )
They could hope for an injury and collect on an insurance policy for his last two or three years of the contract 😜
I think you're on the right track. I like both of the relievers you suggest. Would be my top 2 since they each have experience pitching here in NY and in a variety of roles.
My top position player target would be Pollock. Rangy CF who can also hit and steal 15 bases. Doesn't K. And he's a righty to break up all the lefties in the middle of the order. Would cost us a draft pick but so be it.
They 100% need to bring in a veteran catcher but I'm not as concerned about that. Whoever they add will hit 7th or 8th and upgrade the defense, so that's a place where it's ok to be value conscious
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left owed to him. Do the Wilpons remember the money saved from Bruce/Swarzak or do they treat his $20m against the payroll for what it is like they do with Wright & Cespedes despite the fact that an insurance company pays them more than the Mets do?
They could hope for an injury and collect on an insurance policy for his last two or three years of the contract 😜
The ultimate wilpon move would be to do that and still count his full salary towards the payroll calculation.
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left owed to him. Do the Wilpons remember the money saved from Bruce/Swarzak or do they treat his $20m against the payroll for what it is like they do with Wright & Cespedes despite the fact that an insurance company pays them more than the Mets do?
They could hope for an injury and collect on an insurance policy for his last two or three years of the contract 😜
The ultimate wilpon move would be to do that and still count his full salary towards the payroll calculation.
depends when we are getting the 20 mil, id hope we are getting at least some of it in year 3
For $20 million (from the Mariners), the Mets are going to absolutely regret this deal.
I would have been significantly more comfortable if the Mets were getting $50 million from the Mariners. I feel like the Mets got fleeced here. $20 million doesn't even cover a single season for Cano. And to lose a 6th and 18th overall draft pick? Mets are going to suffer with this deal for a decade.
For $20 million (from the Mariners), the Mets are going to absolutely regret this deal.
I would have been significantly more comfortable if the Mets were getting $50 million from the Mariners. I feel like the Mets got fleeced here. $20 million doesn't even cover a single season for Cano. And to lose a 6th and 18th overall draft pick? Mets are going to suffer with this deal for a decade.
+1 and they will use his contract as an excuse not to sign FAs in the future as they did with Wrights
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he's a good defender, he can play a few positions, up until last year he was always healthy and even missing a bunch of games he hit 18 homers. He's a good depth player for a team that always seems to find itself without enough depth.
Frazier stinks, he was OK for the Yankees they didntt need a bat like the Mets did. Now he is a player on the way down with his .210 BA and his defense fell off considerably last year also.
He graded out as the best defender on the team out of players who played 500+ innings. 1 of only 2 who had a positive defensive impact. Mets defense last year - ( New Window )
That is one joke of a stat, look at the comparisons, youre gonna tell me hes a better fielder than Cabrera or Rosario, thats laughable, Open your eyes and watch the games, Frazier is a player on the way down with no range at third and a weak bat who occasionally hits a home run, a backup player at this point.
...move over Robert Gsellman.
And unloading Bruce and Swarzak for Cano is a win too.
In 2018, Mets .234 team BA was last in MLB. Cano will change that by himself.
IMO, Mets fans should be pretty happy about this deal, unless you're feeling nostalgic about Bruce and Swarzak.
Rosario SS
McNeil 3B
Nimmo RF
Cano 2B
Conforto LF
Frazier 1B
Lagares CF
Plawecki C
With improvements at catcher and center field, this should become a pretty good lineup. By signing another top reliever like Miller, the bullpen goes from bad to very good.
Regarding the rotation, I hope they keep it together. Jake, Wheeler, Thor, Matz and Lagares are a great group and having Lugo in the pen, means they can plug in a competent starter should one become injured.
Of all of that gets done, and that's a big if, the Mets become a competitive team.
Yoenis Cespedes $29,000,000
Robinson Cano $19,000,000
Juan Lagares $9,000,000
Todd Frazier $9,000,000
Jason Vargas $8,000,000
Zack Wheeler $5,300,000
Travis d'Arnaud $3,700,000
Jacob deGrom $12,900,000
Noah Syndergaard $5,900,000
Steven Matz $3,000,000
Michael Conforto $4,400,000
Kevin Plawecki $1,300,000
Seth Lugo $550,000
TJ Rivera $550,000
Robert Gsellman $550,000
Edwin Diaz $550,000
Brandon Nimmo $550,000
Amed Rosario $550,000
Jeff McNeil $550,000
Peter Alonso $550,000
Dom Smith $550,000
Daniel Zamora $550,000
Drew Smith $550,000
Tyler Bashlor $550,000
Commitment $117,100,000
Reclamation Projects via FA I'd look at:
1. Hanley Ramirez
2. Mark Reynolds
3. Jonathan Schoop
4. Daniel Murphy (as a platoon at 1B/2B/3B)
5. Granderson (had a good year as a 4th OF, great in the clubhouse)
6. Derek Dietrich (guy is a grinder, always killed the Mets)
7. Asivail Garcia (Cespedes out half the year, could be a good 1 year sign and maybe trade candidate)
8. Shelby Miller - boy has his star fallen, but his velocity was up last year, worth a flyer
9. Ervin Santana - was very good from 13-17, injured last year, worth a flyer too, could be an excellent 4-5, his velocity was down 3 mph, perhaps do to bad finger injury
10. Brad Brach - had a down year, but was excellent prior few years
I'd go big game fishing with Kimbrel, Miller Pollock that should be about $45-$50 million
Trade Frazier, Lagares to Red Sox for Rusney Castillo and Michael Chavis (sox need to sign a ton of players next year and need someone like Castillo off their books, and he's hit decenlty in the minors, also a former roc nation client); Chavis is blocked at 3B anyway in Bos.
Sign Ervin Santana as #5 starter, pushing Vargas to bullpen as long man (+3-4 mil)
Sign Billy Hamilton as defensive outfielder/pinch runner (+2-3 mil)
Roster:
SP-deGrom, Syndergaard, Wheeler, Matz, Santana
RP-Kimbrel, Diaz, Miller, Lugo, Gsellman, Zamora, Vargas
C-Plawecki, d'Arnaud
1B-Alonso
2B-Cano
SS-Rosario
3B-McNeil/Chavis
UT-Rivera
CO-Cespedes/Conforto/Nimmo
CF-Pollock/Castillo
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he's a good defender, he can play a few positions, up until last year he was always healthy and even missing a bunch of games he hit 18 homers. He's a good depth player for a team that always seems to find itself without enough depth.
Frazier stinks, he was OK for the Yankees they didntt need a bat like the Mets did. Now he is a player on the way down with his .210 BA and his defense fell off considerably last year also.
He graded out as the best defender on the team out of players who played 500+ innings. 1 of only 2 who had a positive defensive impact. Mets defense last year - ( New Window )
That is one joke of a stat, look at the comparisons, youre gonna tell me hes a better fielder than Cabrera or Rosario, thats laughable, Open your eyes and watch the games, Frazier is a player on the way down with no range at third and a weak bat who occasionally hits a home run, a backup player at this point.
If you watched met games the last 2 years and thought cabrera was still a good defender you're doing it wrong.
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Sources say the Mets have spoken with the Indians about Corey Kluber. The two teams had talked about Yan Gomes before he was dealt to the Nationals, but the Mets' interest now appears to also extend to Kluber, who had Mets manager Mickey Callaway as a pitching coach in Cleveland.
10:59 PM - 1 Dec 2018
Who exactly would they trade for Kluber? They just gave up all their prospects in the idiotic Cano trade. I can't see Cleveland wanting anyone but Noah and Conforto. Trading Noah for Kluber is unbelievably stupid. And if you trade Conforto for him, you better be signing Harper.
Yoenis Cespedes $29,000,000
Robinson Cano $19,000,000
Juan Lagares $9,000,000
Todd Frazier $9,000,000
Jason Vargas $8,000,000
Zack Wheeler $5,300,000
Travis d'Arnaud $3,700,000
Jacob deGrom $12,900,000
Noah Syndergaard $5,900,000
Steven Matz $3,000,000
Michael Conforto $4,400,000
Kevin Plawecki $1,300,000
Seth Lugo $550,000
TJ Rivera $550,000
Robert Gsellman $550,000
Edwin Diaz $550,000
Brandon Nimmo $550,000
Amed Rosario $550,000
Jeff McNeil $550,000
Peter Alonso $550,000
Dom Smith $550,000
Daniel Zamora $550,000
Drew Smith $550,000
Tyler Bashlor $550,000
Commitment $117,100,000
This is the mindset the Mets have put their fans in. lol. We're counting payroll like we're the damn Oakland A's. The payroll shouldn't even be an issue. They should go big fish hunting period.
I feel like we should be the one aquiring prospects not the other way around. I fear that the Coupons will use Canos contract as an excuse for not spending in a few years.
Well see what the full plan is but Im not thrilled so far.
I feel like we should be the one aquiring prospects not the other way around. I fear that the Coupons will use Canos contract as an excuse for not spending in a few years.
Well see what the full plan is but Im not thrilled so far.
+1000 Same old, same old from the Mets giving away the future for an aging star who thought he needed Peds just to compete last year. How is that going to play out when Cano doesnt produce and the fans and media of NY start criticizing him combined with his lack of hustle? Looks like Brodie (I was an agent how hard could it be to be a GM) is going for the quick fix and if it doesnt work could hamper this team for the next FIVE years.
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he's a good defender, he can play a few positions, up until last year he was always healthy and even missing a bunch of games he hit 18 homers. He's a good depth player for a team that always seems to find itself without enough depth.
Frazier stinks, he was OK for the Yankees they didntt need a bat like the Mets did. Now he is a player on the way down with his .210 BA and his defense fell off considerably last year also.
He graded out as the best defender on the team out of players who played 500+ innings. 1 of only 2 who had a positive defensive impact. Mets defense last year - ( New Window )
That is one joke of a stat, look at the comparisons, youre gonna tell me hes a better fielder than Cabrera or Rosario, thats laughable, Open your eyes and watch the games, Frazier is a player on the way down with no range at third and a weak bat who occasionally hits a home run, a backup player at this point.
If you watched met games the last 2 years and thought cabrera was still a good defender you're doing it wrong.
And if you thought Frazier was a good acquisition, youre wrong, not interested in the back and forth. You like Frazier I dont and think he could easily be replaced by a prospect with some upside.
I have a friend who is a Padres fan. Very knowledgeable. Sort of the Dan Metroman among San Diego fans.
He says the deal is a very good one for Mets.
According to him Kelenic has great tools but he was passed over by five teams in June and he is 19. Doesnt put much stock in Kelenics numbers at rookie ball because of his age. This year will be revealing for Kelenic in A ball. Sounds like BVW wanted to move him this offseason while his value was high. A gamble but it could go either way.
Said Cano contract is cost of doing business and it is till better than 300 million for Machado
Diaz is a beast. Numbers are totally legit
Mets are mortgaging future perhaps but will be much stronger next two years, which makes sense with Thor JD and Wheeler all in their prime.
Nothing that has not been said here, but I always think an outside perspective is worth considering
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now go get set up rp, catcher and a CF and lets go.
I have a friend who is a Padres fan. Very knowledgeable. Sort of the Dan Metroman among San Diego fans.
He says the deal is a very good one for Mets.
According to him Kelenic has great tools but he was passed over by five teams in June and he is 19. Doesnt put much stock in Kelenics numbers at rookie ball because of his age. This year will be revealing for Kelenic in A ball. Sounds like BVW wanted to move him this offseason while his value was high. A gamble but it could go either way.
Said Cano contract is cost of doing business and it is till better than 300 million for Machado
Diaz is a beast. Numbers are totally legit
Mets are mortgaging future perhaps but will be much stronger next two years, which makes sense with Thor JD and Wheeler all in their prime.
Nothing that has not been said here, but I always think an outside perspective is worth considering
I think it's a few things at once and all are fair opinions. The team got better, it's risky, and it wasn't great asset management. I don't have a major issue dealing Kelenic, I do wonder what else other teams would have given up for him. I like Cano and I like Diaz, but for the net amounts we are going to pay them there were plenty of attractive FA options. If they do continue to invest $ in the roster to make a real run at things Cano and Diaz should both make a big impact this year.
2 RP's (Miller and Robertson the pair I like)
1 low end SP (Gio would be solid)
Pollock
2 RP's (Miller and Robertson the pair I like)
1 low end SP (Gio would be solid)
Pollock
So payroll wise let's figure this adds ~12m AAV for catcher, ~20m AAV for the 2 relievers, Pollock should be around ~15m, and Gio would probably be around ~12m also. So that's about $60m on top of where they are now.
I'd guess that's too rich but I also think you can probably take that down to 1 FA reliever and acquire a cost effective 2nd reliever in a trade for Dom Smith. Dom to Pitt for Cervelli and Crick? Maybe you can get Pitt to match the salary coming back by taking on Vargas?
Or if they signed Harper, traded Kluber for whatever (including Conforto), then traded Thor to restock the system.
But if this is the only deal...I cringe at their lack of minor league trade pieces.
Win now is adding significantly more AND spending 170-180 million minimum. This move makes the Mets a better team (mostly if McNeil is the 3b, if Frazier is this deal makes them marginally better offensively and better in the 9th inning) but something dumb like trading Thor or thinking Maldonado and the return of Juan Lagares + this deal simply isn't enough. This is a low 80's win team on paper right now.
I also lean against trading Syndergaard, but curious about how would you feel about this with SD?
Gore (i know they say he's off limits, but that's what Sea said about Diaz)
Paddack
Margot (conceivably on his way to becoming Pollock-esque)
Hedges (not my favorite option but he has been +32 DRS past 2 years)
Frees up a lot of money to go the FA route for 3-4 good pitchers. Keuchel, Gio, Miller, Eovaldi, Morton, Robertson.
Who is his agent? We will only trade for players formerly represented by BVW or his associates.
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That in two years, Mike Trout will be with the Phillies. Add on whoever they get as a major free agent or agents this year, we have to win now. Add the fact that our pitching is in its prime, lets go for it. Better try and fail in this window, or feel sorry for not trying
Win now is adding significantly more AND spending 170-180 million minimum. This move makes the Mets a better team (mostly if McNeil is the 3b, if Frazier is this deal makes them marginally better offensively and better in the 9th inning) but something dumb like trading Thor or thinking Maldonado and the return of Juan Lagares + this deal simply isn't enough. This is a low 80's win team on paper right now.
I agree with this. We need to spend more this year. We will see if BVW is given the freedom to commit dollars and years for quality players
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will be ill if they trade Syndergaard. Truly ill.
I also lean against trading Syndergaard, but curious about how would you feel about this with SD?
Gore (i know they say he's off limits, but that's what Sea said about Diaz)
Paddack
Margot (conceivably on his way to becoming Pollock-esque)
Hedges (not my favorite option but he has been +32 DRS past 2 years)
Frees up a lot of money to go the FA route for 3-4 good pitchers. Keuchel, Gio, Miller, Eovaldi, Morton, Robertson.
SD has told teams under no circumstances will they trade Gore or Tatis this off-season so yeah if you get gore maybe you think about it but I also think the offer you are suggesting is far more than what is being reported. They have Paddack as their "top" player they are offering
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That in two years, Mike Trout will be with the Phillies. Add on whoever they get as a major free agent or agents this year, we have to win now. Add the fact that our pitching is in its prime, lets go for it. Better try and fail in this window, or feel sorry for not trying
Win now is adding significantly more AND spending 170-180 million minimum. This move makes the Mets a better team (mostly if McNeil is the 3b, if Frazier is this deal makes them marginally better offensively and better in the 9th inning) but something dumb like trading Thor or thinking Maldonado and the return of Juan Lagares + this deal simply isn't enough. This is a low 80's win team on paper right now.
Really dont see how worrying about what the Phillies might do should determine the Mets course of action. Just try and make this pathetic franchise better which I dont think they did, oh well.
And two of their most recent first rounders are gone.
It's pretty much all or nothing the next couple of seasons because the dark days are coming.
Its not a new issue... its something hes had since he was drafted. Its just coming off like this is some new headline.... its not.
2.) McNeil 3B
3.) Cespedes LF
4.) Harper RF
5.) Realmuto C
6.) Cano 2B
7.) Alonso 1B
8.) Rosario SS
Conforto and ??? and ??? for Realmuto.
Just, fixing that for you.
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Sign Miller and Harper. C ya in the WS.
Conforto and ??? and ??? for Realmuto.
Just, fixing that for you.
Yeah right. Theyve already said they would do a Conforto or Nimmo headlined package. Realmuto only has two years of control left and wants out. They arent going to do better than Conforto. They can have Dom Smith too I suppose.
I think Kelenic is going to be really, really good.
To me, it's telling that the Mets didn't tender Wilmer Flores. I think they plan to move Cano and McNeil around, DH Cano in AL parks, maybe play Cano at first sometimes if Alonso doesn't catch fire. In short, I think they're really looking at Cano/McNiel as sort of a supercharged version of Flores.
I think youre reading too much into it. I think they just didnt want to pay a utility guy with bad knees @ $5 million.
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To me, it's telling that the Mets didn't tender Wilmer Flores..
I think youre reading too much into it. I think they just didnt want to pay a utility guy with bad knees @ $5 million.
agree with Jim. Flores was shut down in September with early on-set arthritis.
That's not a guy you pay $5M per season for, when you have doubts about his availability.
2 RP's (Miller and Robertson the pair I like)
1 low end SP (Gio would be solid)
Pollock
Dan, whats your thoughts on
Which catcher you think is best for the SPs?
Can Frazier play 1b?
Pollocks injury history, has great tools but still scares me
Joe Kelly
Mcneil at 3b
Cespedes return in July
Re-sign Wheeler
Thoughts on Jarred Kelenic last 2 months in Kingsport
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1 of Ramos, Grandal, Cervelli
2 RP's (Miller and Robertson the pair I like)
1 low end SP (Gio would be solid)
Pollock
Dan, whats your thoughts on
Which catcher you think is best for the SPs?
Can Frazier play 1b?
Pollocks injury history, has great tools but still scares me
Joe Kelly
Mcneil at 3b
Cespedes return in July
Re-sign Wheeler
Thoughts on Jarred Kelenic last 2 months in Kingsport
Personally my catching list is Ramos, Cervelli, Grandal and then something like Vargas and one of the RP prospects for Russell Martin. I don't agree a TOTAL zero defensive catcher is a good idea for a team with this lineup. How many hitters in this lineup have produced at all? Have produced for more than one season? It's a short list. I like Pollock but I suspect someone gets nutty and gives him 5, I don't think I could go more than 4. Frazier should be the starting 1b to open the season, agreed on Wheeler and I think Kelenic is going to be very good personally. I've heard they aren't sure they see Cespedes at all so July seems otimistic so who knows?
Fucking Loser organization
I think BVW is thinking a closer is going to cost him 80 million, whereas he got a closer and all star 2b for only 65 million guaranteed
Also, I think he is focused on making a big splash in year one given his unconventional background. And this trade definitely makes Mets better next season. Dont think BVW is concerned about mortgaging the future since he might not even be here
This is the type of thinking that keeps teams mediocre/bad...like the Mets.
And its a really stupid philosophy.
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Dont think BVW is concerned about mortgaging the future since he might not even be here
This is the type of thinking that keeps teams mediocre/bad...like the Mets.
And its a really stupid philosophy.
The wilpons don't have a philosophy, they just consistently make bad decisions while underinvesting in the team. Part of me thinks the best we will ever get with them is the random year with a lucky run so selling out the farm while they have JDG and Thor may not be the worst idea. They will never have the patience and discipline to allow a real GM to run the franchise the right way.
I don't like the value of the deal but if they're going to extend jdg they should be making win now moves. They are still 4+ moves away from calling themselves a contender in the division, but those moves are out there if they choose to spend.
I would invest the remaining payroll budget in 2 RP's (2 of Miller, Robertson, Familia) and a Grandal. Shorten the game, lengthen the lineup and tighten up the D.
I know with Lagares there is massive injury risk, but Pollock comes with his own injury history, and would cost a lot in terms of years and dollars.
I think they should look at adding one of the second tier guys on a 1-year deal for depth behind Nimmo, Conforto, Lagares..
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If Diaz. I mean how do we invest that much in a dude with a ticking time bomb in his elbow like that. Wasnt that what putz had too? This would really be days of future past
Its not a new issue... its something hes had since he was drafted. Its just coming off like this is some new headline.... its not.
Whether its new or not. We shouldnt be taken on a bad contract and giving all your best prospects if the main piece has arm concerns. Come on dude, you know how risky stuff like this works out for this team.
I would invest the remaining payroll budget in 2 RP's (2 of Miller, Robertson, Familia) and a Grandal. Shorten the game, lengthen the lineup and tighten up the D.
I know with Lagares there is massive injury risk, but Pollock comes with his own injury history, and would cost a lot in terms of years and dollars.
They shouldve traded him away to seattle too.
short answer, yes.
No brainer IF Bryant's shoulder checked out.
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No sourcing, just a vibe, but it does feel like @GMBVW is creating a path to @Bharper3407 ... and if he trades @Noahsyndergaard for zero $ guys and deals @You_Found_Nimmo for an Indians pitcher, it opens that path even wider. What do think?
Thor "for" Kluber ADDS payroll. Why would that in any way help you chase Harper? lol
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No sourcing, just a vibe, but it does feel like @GMBVW is creating a path to @Bharper3407 ... and if he trades @Noahsyndergaard for zero $ guys and deals @You_Found_Nimmo for an Indians pitcher, it opens that path even wider. What do think?
Thor "for" Kluber ADDS payroll. Why would that in any way help you chase Harper? lol
Sometimes I wonder if he is actually thinking for himself or is ownership floating ideas through him to see how fans react.
If he could still produce then why was he taking Peds last year? Given the mets FA history, just how long before this guy gets hurt, an older player with Ped history? Face it, this has all the makings of another Met FA disaster!
Damn, this move allows them to shift Hoskins to 1B and opens up a spot for Harper. Not good
The Braves are very interested in Keuchel.
The Braves are very interested in Keuchel.
Pollock seems very unlikely to get the deal Cain got. Cain is a better player, was coming off a much better season (4.3war vs. 2.5war), and wasn't as injury prone. I think he will end up somewhere in the 4/65m range, or possibly a higher AAV 3 year deal around 3/55m with either one including some kind of vesting year option based on playing time that could bring it closer to what Cain got.
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The Braves are very interested in Keuchel.
Pollock seems very unlikely to get the deal Cain got. Cain is a better player, was coming off a much better season (4.3war vs. 2.5war), and wasn't as injury prone. I think he will end up somewhere in the 4/65m range, or possibly a higher AAV 3 year deal around 3/55m with either one including some kind of vesting year option based on playing time that could bring it closer to what Cain got.
I agree, I wouldn't want to give Pollock 5 years. I would consider giving him 4 but even then I would be a bit hesitant.