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BREAKING NEWS: According to a Report by Dominican Sportscaster @TenchyRodEspn Robinson Cano has been notified and called to the USA by his agent, and is just awaiting a physical exam to make his trade to the @mets official.#ZDigital #ZDeportes@z101digital @ZDeportes
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Robinson Cano trade to #Mets is agreed upon pending physical, according to this tweet by @TenchyRodEspn. Excellent work by @hgomez27 in his reporting as well. @MLBNetwork @MLB
Absolutely. There's about 20 pages to go through if you feel like understanding why.
We just added two all-stars and our payroll for 2019 actually went down.
Mets should have had leverage here and people will say prospects are prospects, but when you take the M's salary dump (Cano) and only get a closer out of it, you should not give up this much in terms of prospects - especially and this is the key point, there are many bullpen options available in free agency.
I hope Cano fails his physical.
Mets should have had leverage here and people will say prospects are prospects, but when you take the M's salary dump (Cano) and only get a closer out of it, you should not give up this much in terms of prospects - especially and this is the key point, there are many bullpen options available in free agency.
I hope Cano fails his physical.
That is my take as well especially when there are closers in FA that can be had.
Cano for 20-ish million, Bruce, Swarzak (net 50 million or so back) leaving 60 million on the Cano deal over 60 years. Steamer has Cano worth over 20 million alone next year.
The next part is Edwin Diaz, the best closer in baseball last year who's 24 and under control for 4 more years, for Kelenic, Dunn, and Bautista. Kelenic and Dunn were rated the Mets 4th and 5th best prospects by BA a few days ago... Bautista is a lottery ticket reliever.
Because of the bad contracts going the other way, payroll actually gets lowered and Mets can still spend spend spend.
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Absolutely. There's about 20 pages to go through if you feel like understanding why.
We just added two all-stars and our payroll for 2019 actually went down.
Yeah I like it too. Prospects are such a gamble. It stings including him but he could be the next Lastings Millege or Fernando Martinez.
As longer as we take the money and get another impact player, it 100% makes sense.
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Absolutely. There's about 20 pages to go through if you feel like understanding why.
We just added two all-stars and our payroll for 2019 actually went down.
Yeah I like it too. Prospects are such a gamble. It stings including him but he could be the next Lastings Millege or Fernando Martinez.
As longer as we take the money and get another impact player, it 100% makes sense.
SO many people think we can just sign Kimbrel for 100 million and an IF upgrade without giving up prospects. The problem with that is you just added 30+ million to the payroll and your offseason is likely done or your trading Syndergaard for pieces. Fuck that. This is much better.
Cano for 20-ish million, Bruce, Swarzak (net 50 million or so back) leaving 60 million on the Cano deal over 60 years. Steamer has Cano worth over 20 million alone next year.
The next part is Edwin Diaz, the best closer in baseball last year who's 24 and under control for 4 more years, for Kelenic, Dunn, and Bautista. Kelenic and Dunn were rated the Mets 4th and 5th best prospects by BA a few days ago... Bautista is a lottery ticket reliever.
Because of the bad contracts going the other way, payroll actually gets lowered and Mets can still spend spend spend.
Sure they could spend spend spend but the question like always is will they?
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The deal basically boils down to
Cano for 20-ish million, Bruce, Swarzak (net 50 million or so back) leaving 60 million on the Cano deal over 60 years. Steamer has Cano worth over 20 million alone next year.
The next part is Edwin Diaz, the best closer in baseball last year who's 24 and under control for 4 more years, for Kelenic, Dunn, and Bautista. Kelenic and Dunn were rated the Mets 4th and 5th best prospects by BA a few days ago... Bautista is a lottery ticket reliever.
Because of the bad contracts going the other way, payroll actually gets lowered and Mets can still spend spend spend.
Sure they could spend spend spend but the question like always is will they?
Of course they will. You dont do this deal and then call it. Sit back and enjoy the ride.
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The deal basically boils down to
Cano for 20-ish million, Bruce, Swarzak (net 50 million or so back) leaving 60 million on the Cano deal over 60 years. Steamer has Cano worth over 20 million alone next year.
The next part is Edwin Diaz, the best closer in baseball last year who's 24 and under control for 4 more years, for Kelenic, Dunn, and Bautista. Kelenic and Dunn were rated the Mets 4th and 5th best prospects by BA a few days ago... Bautista is a lottery ticket reliever.
Because of the bad contracts going the other way, payroll actually gets lowered and Mets can still spend spend spend.
Sure they could spend spend spend but the question like always is will they?
Of course they will. You dont do this deal and then call it. Sit back and enjoy the ride.
Well full disclosure I'm not a Mets fan but have close family and friends who are. Not a Mets hater either, just interested and hope for my family and friends sake, the Mets do spend.
Also on Cano, I'm pretty sure he still has 120 mil left on his deal, not 110. Not a big deal but it's another two mil a year over the five.
If they trade Thor I will be pissed and if they trade Thor for a less than no brained, slam dunk package I will be livid.
So TBD for me. I can see the pros and cons to the move.
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The deal basically boils down to
Cano for 20-ish million, Bruce, Swarzak (net 50 million or so back) leaving 60 million on the Cano deal over 60 years. Steamer has Cano worth over 20 million alone next year.
The next part is Edwin Diaz, the best closer in baseball last year who's 24 and under control for 4 more years, for Kelenic, Dunn, and Bautista. Kelenic and Dunn were rated the Mets 4th and 5th best prospects by BA a few days ago... Bautista is a lottery ticket reliever.
Because of the bad contracts going the other way, payroll actually gets lowered and Mets can still spend spend spend.
Sure they could spend spend spend but the question like always is will they?
Of course they will. You dont do this deal and then call it. Sit back and enjoy the ride.
Well full disclosure I'm not a Mets fan but have close family and friends who are. Not a Mets hater either, just interested and hope for my family and friends sake, the Mets do spend.
Also on Cano, I'm pretty sure he still has 120 mil left on his deal, not 110. Not a big deal but it's another two mil a year over the five.
Final numbers haven't been released but most reports are saying there will be about a 60 million net when it's done. It really doesnt matter. The Mets dont have a single contract on the books passed 2020. They can absorb it easily.
middle infielders and starting pitching are the strengths.
Trading a different prospect from Kelenic would have made a better trade for the Mets.
middle infielders and starting pitching are the strengths.
Trading a different prospect from Kelenic would have made a better trade for the Mets.
I jut said this in the other thread but I seem to remember you saying you would be devastated if it was Gimenez over Kelenic. Apparently the Mets were given the option to protect two prospects and they chose Alonso and Gimenez. You're right that there is no depth but with Bruce gone you can expect another addition and Conforto and Nimmo are young and under control for the foreseeable future. Sign Harper and nobody is going to care about our OF depth.
Alonso is the one I'd have been pushing, but it sounds like from capone the league feels the same way about Alonso as I do.
and to be clear for some perspective, I'm not devastated at all.
this is just not a trade I would have made.
from the sounds of it the M's were desperate to get rid of Cano's contract, losing 2 of your top 5 prospects, to take that contract and get a closer doesn't seem like desperate to me.
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Allegedly, Bryce Harper told a friend he doesn't want to live in Philadelphia. The real question is, why would anyone want to live in Philadelphia?
its always sunny in philadelphia unless your santa?
Helps the Mariners, who are blowing it up, win later. Kelenic is a legit prospect. No denying that.
I dont think any Mets fan truly cares about the money, Dunn, or Bautista though. Not if they are honest.
What stings is basically losing Kelenic for an elite closer and Cano but what do people really expect Diaz was going to cost?
its definitely fair.
Lets see how this plays out. I fear that the Mets will be mediocre and that they will be hamstrung by Cano and his contract
And to make matters worse Kelenic and Dunn will be plus players
The Mets are not the Yankees they do not throw money after their mistakes, quite the contrary they use bad economics as an excuse to spend money
If this fails you can expect at least 5 years of bad baseball
Why cant the Mets build a team around young players and supplement with quality free agents?
This trade is about how to make it appear that the Mets are actually spending money to improve the team
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Lets see how this plays out. I fear that the Mets will be mediocre and that they will be hamstrung by Cano and his contract
And to make matters worse Kelenic and Dunn will be plus players
The Mets are not the Yankees they do not throw money after their mistakes, quite the contrary they use bad economics as an excuse to spend money
If this fails you can expect at least 5 years of bad baseball
Why cant the Mets build a team around young players and supplement with quality free agents?
This trade is about how to make it appear that the Mets are actually spending money to improve the team
Who says they arent?? The Mets payroll was 160 million last year and the Wilpons publicly said it was Sandy who chose not to spend more. They hire BVW and flat out tell him he can spend and go for it, or else he's never giving up his cushy job to come here. Last I checked, the Yankees are now trying to keep it under the luxury tax threshold. So assuming the Mets are truly going to spend more what's the difference between that and around 200 million? Not a whole lot. The time is now. Im sick of waiting.
If the Mets win, and win soon, the guy is a hero.
If they don't and it gets bad like the past few seasons, it will get really ugly, really quickly for Brodie.
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I really cant see any way this deal could blow up in their face unless Diaz gets Tommy John in ST and never pitches again (knock on wood).
Now all that said and economics aside, I do like both of the players they brought back a lot. Cano is the all around hitter they haven't had since pre-injury Wright. At least until they catch his new peds. Diaz' strikeout numbers are other wordly. So cross our fingers and hope for the best. This team is built around 2 elite SP and pitchers break so may as well take our best shot while they are healthy. Just don't half ass it. Go out and sign 3-4 more good free agents. A lot of them can help and won't break the bank - like Pollock, Miller, Grandal, Familia, Ramos, Gio, Robertson, Soria, etc.
If the Mets win, and win soon, the guy is a hero.
If they don't and it gets bad like the past few seasons, it will get really ugly, really quickly for Brodie.
Why because we traded away one player who COULD be an impact 4 years from now?
I hate losing Kelenic, but its not like the Mets have a long history of prospects panning out. At 19, hes a long way off & the Mets are a win now team. Good start to the offseason.
I hate losing Kelenic, but its not like the Mets have a long history of prospects panning out. At 19, hes a long way off & the Mets are a win now team. Good start to the offseason.
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Mariners send $20M to mets to complete deal
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Mariners send $20M to mets to complete deal
Ok. So what we thought...
I hate losing Kelenic, but its not like the Mets have a long history of prospects panning out. At 19, hes a long way off & the Mets are a win now team. Good start to the offseason.
Agree . I dont understand the idea of trading Thor so I hope that isnt the next move. Hope for Harper but more realistic is Ramos and Pollack
too expensive and one dimensional. He would have been backup 1B and we can do that with TJ Rivera/Dom Smith for much cheaper.
Combined with those two simply under-performing, the Mets as a team just don't play well and are not a playoff team, once again being out of the contention by the trade deadline (just for example).
Meanwhile, in two years Kelenic is Mookie Betts 2.0, and the Mets can't make the moves they want because they're paying an albatross Robbie Cano to not contribute this trade will look awful. And I agree I don't care about Dunn or Bautista so I won't be disingenuous and claim any success they have will bother me.
Of course though, like I said, win and all is forgotten, Brodie is a genius with a set of brass balls making a trade like this as his first major league transaction.
but if you don't think this can blow up, you are kidding yourself.
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Thats all? Jeesh
Now go do more. Sign Andrew Miller. Get a legit catcher. Go big game hunting.
Combined with those two simply under-performing, the Mets as a team just don't play well and are not a playoff team, once again being out of the contention by the trade deadline (just for example).
Meanwhile, in two years Kelenic is Mookie Betts 2.0, and the Mets can't make the moves they want because they're paying an albatross Robbie Cano to not contribute this trade will look awful. And I agree I don't care about Dunn or Bautista so I won't be disingenuous and claim any success they have will bother me.
Of course though, like I said, win and all is forgotten, Brodie is a genius with a set of brass balls making a trade like this as his first major league transaction.
but if you don't think this can blow up, you are kidding yourself.
Ok ill take my chances Diaz will be good over the next few years over Kelenic being good in 3-4. And who cares if he turns into Trout? That's the risk. All teams trade prospects knowing they can become great. Doesnt matter one bit. His value is his value and thats a 50-100 overall prospect years away. Aka. Not a ton as of today.
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Thats all? Jeesh
they unofficially absorbed 36 mil of bad deals that helps us for '19 in bruce and swarzak so its really 56 mil
but that next one can be "the" one.
You take the risk when the upside is so good it outweighs the risk.
I don't think Diaz is worth the risk when there were many free agent options out there.
that is my point.
And let's not lose sight of the fact we're all Mets fans (those of us who are Mets fans) and I think we all want this trade to work out and either turn the Mets into contenders or be a catalyst to some other moves that do.
I hope in September we're revisiting these discussions and laughing at me.
but as a Mets fan the way everything has blown up on us the past 30 years I have the right to be cynical.