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BREAKING NEWS: According to a Report by Dominican Sportscaster @TenchyRodEspn Robinson Cano has been notified and called to the USA by his agent, and is just awaiting a physical exam to make his trade to the @mets official.#ZDigital #ZDeportes@z101digital @ZDeportes
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Edwin Diazs medical information has been approved as part of the #Mets and #Mariners trade, source says, as the deal continues moving toward completion. @MLBNetwork @MLB
Combined with those two simply under-performing, the Mets as a team just don't play well and are not a playoff team, once again being out of the contention by the trade deadline (just for example).
Meanwhile, in two years Kelenic is Mookie Betts 2.0, and the Mets can't make the moves they want because they're paying an albatross Robbie Cano to not contribute this trade will look awful. And I agree I don't care about Dunn or Bautista so I won't be disingenuous and claim any success they have will bother me.
Of course though, like I said, win and all is forgotten, Brodie is a genius with a set of brass balls making a trade like this as his first major league transaction.
but if you don't think this can blow up, you are kidding yourself.
agreed all around. With Seattle only kicking in $20m cash Cano is now on our books for 5 years $100m. We can delude ourselves into thinking Swarzaks 1 yr 8m was crippling. Or Bruce's 2 years / 28m. They weren't.
You know what was crippling? David Wright's 8 year 138m contract ($17m AAV). We just got done waiting that out as the primary excuse for why we couldn't sign good free agents for the past 5-6 years. And now we've signed ourselves up for a second helping locking in an even higher net AAV 20m/year contract through age 41.
On the positve side Cano seems unlikely to break his back on a hustle play.
Great deal the Mets will be paying $100M over the next 5 years
Anyone who does not think that this will retard Mets investments in the future are fooling yourself
Bruce and Swarzak were coming off the books next year
The commitment to Cano will be the gift that keeps on giving for 5 years
Lets see how you feel about the deal when the Mets do not have the money to resign Wheeler,Thor, Conforto, etc and they do not have replacements in the minors
Great deal the Mets will be paying $100M over the next 5 years
Anyone who does not think that this will retard Mets investments in the future are fooling yourself
Bruce and Swarzak were coming off the books next year
The commitment to Cano will be the gift that keeps on giving for 5 years
Lets see how you feel about the deal when the Mets do not have the money to resign Wheeler,Thor, Conforto, etc and they do not have replacements in the minors
bruce has 2 yrs on his deal not 1 and the last few years ofd the cano deal we have nothing on the books
The swarzak thing is especially confusing bc their BP is still empty. They still need to add a few veterans so they may not even save all that money depending on who they sign. So while they can definitely find a similar talent cheaper, it's not as if he wasn't useful. The same people acting like he was some totally under water asset were calling him a top setup man last year. The reality is he's just a mediocre and injury prone middle reliever. The going rate for those types is usually still 1 year $3-4m like Salas a few years back.
If Cano flounders, the Mets will be stuck like they are with Cespedes.
I think Brody is remembering his old client and not the player on the way down he could certainly turn out to be. This has all the makings of a huge mistake by our inexperienced GM wanting to make a splash and being a little too quick on the trigger.
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So from what I can ascertain the Mets will owe Cano $24M x 5 years = $120M -$20M = $100M
Great deal the Mets will be paying $100M over the next 5 years
Anyone who does not think that this will retard Mets investments in the future are fooling yourself
Bruce and Swarzak were coming off the books next year
The commitment to Cano will be the gift that keeps on giving for 5 years
Lets see how you feel about the deal when the Mets do not have the money to resign Wheeler,Thor, Conforto, etc and they do not have replacements in the minors
bruce has 2 yrs on his deal not 1 and the last few years ofd the cano deal we have nothing on the books
Until the JDG extension. And we have to resign Conforto or Nimmo to 15-20m/year deals. And there's $100m on 4 players. Or 2/3 of our total payroll from last year.
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So from what I can ascertain the Mets will owe Cano $24M x 5 years = $120M -$20M = $100M
Great deal the Mets will be paying $100M over the next 5 years
Anyone who does not think that this will retard Mets investments in the future are fooling yourself
Bruce and Swarzak were coming off the books next year
The commitment to Cano will be the gift that keeps on giving for 5 years
Lets see how you feel about the deal when the Mets do not have the money to resign Wheeler,Thor, Conforto, etc and they do not have replacements in the minors
bruce has 2 yrs on his deal not 1 and the last few years ofd the cano deal we have nothing on the books
Until the JDG extension. And we have to resign Conforto or Nimmo to 15-20m/year deals. And there's $100m on 4 players. Or 2/3 of our total payroll from last year.
Those shouldve been BRody's first moves. Resigning the stud pitchers.
I think Brody is remembering his old client and not the player on the way down he could certainly turn out to be. This has all the makings of a huge mistake by our inexperienced GM wanting to make a splash and being a little too quick on the trigger.
I think Brody is remembering his old client and not the player on the way down he could certainly turn out to be. This has all the makings of a huge mistake by our inexperienced GM wanting to make a splash and being a little too quick on the trigger.
I agree. I think Brody is buying into whatever his initial pitch was in terms of why Cano will still be worth the money at age 40. Took on way too much $ risk that I think he will regret a lot quicker than he realizes.
I hate losing Kelenic, but its not like the Mets have a long history of prospects panning out. At 19, hes a long way off & the Mets are a win now team. Good start to the offseason.
Totally agree.
Interested as to what happens next.
Hold the starting pitching, sign a bopper and bulwark the pen and I'm thrilled.
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So from what I can ascertain the Mets will owe Cano $24M x 5 years = $120M -$20M = $100M
Great deal the Mets will be paying $100M over the next 5 years
Anyone who does not think that this will retard Mets investments in the future are fooling yourself
Bruce and Swarzak were coming off the books next year
The commitment to Cano will be the gift that keeps on giving for 5 years
Lets see how you feel about the deal when the Mets do not have the money to resign Wheeler,Thor, Conforto, etc and they do not have replacements in the minors
bruce has 2 yrs on his deal not 1 and the last few years ofd the cano deal we have nothing on the books
Until the JDG extension. And we have to resign Conforto or Nimmo to 15-20m/year deals. And there's $100m on 4 players. Or 2/3 of our total payroll from last year.
pumps the brakes on nimmo or comforto getting 20 mil a year off 1 really good year and 1.5 good years
McNeil 3B
Cano 2B
Conforto RF
Alonso 1b
Nimmo LF
Lagares
TDA C
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I think Brody is remembering his old client and not the player on the way down he could certainly turn out to be. This has all the makings of a huge mistake by our inexperienced GM wanting to make a splash and being a little too quick on the trigger.
This trade is about getting Diaz (a cost controlled closer who was arguably the best in all of baseball in '18) and turning Bruce/Swarzak into Cano. It sucks they'd be getting rid of the '18 first round pick, but the move will theoretically open up some room to spend on the bullpen, C and OF.
If Cano flounders, the Mets will be stuck like they are with Cespedes.
Yup. Said it in the other thread. This is an agent/GM allowing his relationship with a player to cloud his judgement. You already know how this will workout for the Mets. Hell play his age.
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The Mets held all the cards and yet took on the most risk (a reliever and a vet with history of suspected PED use).
If Cano flounders, the Mets will be stuck like they are with Cespedes.
Yup. Said it in the other thread. This is an agent/GM allowing his relationship with a player to cloud his judgement. You already know how this will workout for the Mets. Hell play his age.
I think I'm (ignorantly) optimistic about it. Maybe we'll catch a break for once or be shrewd and unload him plus cash in 2-3 years.
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If this guy thought he needed that to compete last year how will be another year older and Ped free because he cant risk getting caught again. When was the last time an aging player like that improved without Peds?
I think Brody is remembering his old client and not the player on the way down he could certainly turn out to be. This has all the makings of a huge mistake by our inexperienced GM wanting to make a splash and being a little too quick on the trigger.
This trade is about getting Diaz (a cost controlled closer who was arguably the best in all of baseball in '18) and turning Bruce/Swarzak into Cano. It sucks they'd be getting rid of the '18 first round pick, but the move will theoretically open up some room to spend on the bullpen, C and OF.
Knowing how relievers perform season to season. Its not even worth it
McNeil 3B
Cano 2B
Conforto RF
Alonso 1b
Nimmo LF
Lagares
TDA C
P
As much as I'd love to give the job to McNeil, I fear Frazier will at least start out getting the bulk of the playing time there.
Until the JDG extension. And we have to resign Conforto or Nimmo to 15-20m/year deals. And there's $100m on 4 players. Or 2/3 of our total payroll from last year.
pumps the brakes on nimmo or comforto getting 20 mil a year off 1 really good year and 1.5 good years
As a free agent 5 years ago the Mets gave Granderson 15m/year. That's not that high of number considering both players have had all star caliber seasons already. Obviously they need to keep performing and not regress though.
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Rosario ss
McNeil 3B
Cano 2B
Conforto RF
Alonso 1b
Nimmo LF
Lagares
TDA C
P
As much as I'd love to give the job to McNeil, I fear Frazier will at least start out getting the bulk of the playing time there.
I think Frazier is more likely to start the year at 1B playing over Alonso than 3B playing over Mcneil. My guess at the lineup right now would be:
Nimmo RF
Rosario SS
Cano 2B
Conforto LF
Frazier 1B
Mcneil 3B
Lagares CF
Plawecki C
Alonso could conceivably beat out Frazier. And I think they will add a veteran C and CF. Pollock would be my #1 target and I'd hit him 2nd and move Rosario down to 7 to start the year. #2 target would probably be Grandal or Ramos.
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Rosario ss
McNeil 3B
Cano 2B
Conforto RF
Alonso 1b
Nimmo LF
Lagares
TDA C
P
As much as I'd love to give the job to McNeil, I fear Frazier will at least start out getting the bulk of the playing time there.
I think Frazier is more likely to start the year at 1B playing over Alonso than 3B playing over Mcneil. My guess at the lineup right now would be:
Nimmo RF
Rosario SS
Cano 2B
Conforto LF
Frazier 1B
Mcneil 3B
Lagares CF
Plawecki C
Alonso could conceivably beat out Frazier. And I think they will add a veteran C and CF. Pollock would be my #1 target and I'd hit him 2nd and move Rosario down to 7 to start the year. #2 target would probably be Grandal or Ramos.
I hope not with Frazier, hes terrible and was an awful signing for the Mets!
That includes taking on Bruces and Swarzaks contracts
So Seattle will have Bruce @ $14M per year starting in the outfield for two years , and Swarzak in relief @ $8M
Who do you think will be more productive over the next two years Bruce or Cano?
good young closer but eating all that money is 100% a win now move. sorry but i dont think the mets are a WIN NOW team. they should have dumped starters and rebuilt the farm.
That includes taking on Bruces and Swarzaks contracts
So Seattle will have Bruce @ $14M per year starting in the outfield for two years , and Swarzak in relief @ $8M
Who do you think will be more productive over the next two years Bruce or Cano?
I would say Cano over the next 2 years. but those last 3 years are going to be ugly and that's the $65m the M's are saving. Mets should have gotten more money towards those seasons. Brodie put them on credit card.
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Edwin Daz was the eighth best pitcher in baseball last year by FanGraphs WPA. Not relief pitcher. Pitcher. He was better than Chris Sale, Kyle Freeland, Corey Kluber, and Tyler Bauer.
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Yes the Mets wont sign any pitchers. They will pay Cano his 15-20 million per year and the remaining payroll will drop from 160-200 million down to 25 million in 2020 since thats their only contract. They will fill in their entire roster with minimum contracts and have the lowest payroll of all time.
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Sources say the Mets have spoken with the Indians about Corey Kluber. The two teams had talked about Yan Gomes before he was dealt to the Nationals, but the Mets' interest now appears to also extend to Kluber, who had Mets manager Mickey Callaway as a pitching coach in Cleveland.
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Will they be forced to trade their pitchers at the trade deadline because theyre paying this albatross of a contract? Why do you think Seattle is willing to pay to get rid of Cano? Disaster!
Yes the Mets wont sign any pitchers. They will pay Cano his 15-20 million per year and the remaining payroll will drop from 160-200 million down to 25 million in 2020 since thats their only contract. They will fill in their entire roster with minimum contracts and have the lowest payroll of all time.
Doesnt even merit a response.".
2. Cano becomes the next Ortiz
3. They win a ws
4. The Wilpons are willing to outspend the dead money
Long odds on all 4 imo.
Frazier stinks, he was OK for the Yankees they didntt need a bat like the Mets did. Now he is a player on the way down with his .210 BA and his defense fell off considerably last year also.
@jaseidler
Edwin Daz was the eighth best pitcher in baseball last year by FanGraphs WPA. Not relief pitcher. Pitcher. He was better than Chris Sale, Kyle Freeland, Corey Kluber, and Tyler Bauer.
Nobody disputes that his performance last year was HOF caliber. Whether or not he can keep it up is the unknown but I guess if ur gonna roll the dice on a guy u do it on the guy avging 15k/9. Another good point seidler made is that diaz can still get flipped 1 or 2 years down the road if nec for a return similar to brad hand - which could conceivably recoup losing kelenic. The downside is having cano on the books and the wilpons cashing the checks.
If that long, but they will still have to pay him, maybe they can Bonilla him.
Yeah, maybe hell take Ellsburys contract off the ayankees hands, doh!
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Edwin Daz was the eighth best pitcher in baseball last year by FanGraphs WPA. Not relief pitcher. Pitcher. He was better than Chris Sale, Kyle Freeland, Corey Kluber, and Tyler Bauer.
Nobody disputes that his performance last year was HOF caliber. Whether or not he can keep it up is the unknown but I guess if ur gonna roll the dice on a guy u do it on the guy avging 15k/9. Another good point seidler made is that diaz can still get flipped 1 or 2 years down the road if nec for a return similar to brad hand - which could conceivably recoup losing kelenic. The downside is having cano on the books and the wilpons cashing the checks.
Yup. I said the same thing up in the thread earlier to PJ.
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he's a good defender, he can play a few positions, up until last year he was always healthy and even missing a bunch of games he hit 18 homers. He's a good depth player for a team that always seems to find itself without enough depth.
Frazier stinks, he was OK for the Yankees they didntt need a bat like the Mets did. Now he is a player on the way down with his .210 BA and his defense fell off considerably last year also.
He graded out as the best defender on the team out of players who played 500+ innings. 1 of only 2 who had a positive defensive impact.
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They could hope for an injury and collect on an insurance policy for his last two or three years of the contract 😜
I think you're on the right track. I like both of the relievers you suggest. Would be my top 2 since they each have experience pitching here in NY and in a variety of roles.
My top position player target would be Pollock. Rangy CF who can also hit and steal 15 bases. Doesn't K. And he's a righty to break up all the lefties in the middle of the order. Would cost us a draft pick but so be it.
They 100% need to bring in a veteran catcher but I'm not as concerned about that. Whoever they add will hit 7th or 8th and upgrade the defense, so that's a place where it's ok to be value conscious
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left owed to him. Do the Wilpons remember the money saved from Bruce/Swarzak or do they treat his $20m against the payroll for what it is like they do with Wright & Cespedes despite the fact that an insurance company pays them more than the Mets do?
They could hope for an injury and collect on an insurance policy for his last two or three years of the contract 😜
The ultimate wilpon move would be to do that and still count his full salary towards the payroll calculation.
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left owed to him. Do the Wilpons remember the money saved from Bruce/Swarzak or do they treat his $20m against the payroll for what it is like they do with Wright & Cespedes despite the fact that an insurance company pays them more than the Mets do?
They could hope for an injury and collect on an insurance policy for his last two or three years of the contract 😜
The ultimate wilpon move would be to do that and still count his full salary towards the payroll calculation.
depends when we are getting the 20 mil, id hope we are getting at least some of it in year 3