to score 30 points or more (since that was all the talk before the season started).
I think I would have preferred they run the damn ball on 2nd and 3rd before their last field goal before the half. Damnit, Shurmur better learn how to work the game clock better.
Shurmur won't run the ball to kill some time
Eli snaps the ball with over 10 seconds left on the clock
Betcher won't cover the sidelines and force the ball inside
did Chicago not get flagged for false starts? Their LT was rocking back and forth before the snap the entire game.
There was one play where the play clock hit zero a full three seconds before the snap and the refs somehow missed it. It ended up being a big gain too if I remember correctly.
Enjoy it !
LET Sy dissect this mess too many things to look at .
Let the draft fall where it may .
Even with Barkley being out he was underused
in the pass game .
Not having Tribuski is another thing .
Just think about Eli the Iron Man no rookie QB
would hold up under what he has .
Still made some great throws under duress .
But this does make me just that much more angry that we lost the Carolina and the Philly game (especially Philly). We could be sitting at 6-6 right in the middle of the hunt with plenty of meaningful football still to be played in December. Uggghhhhh
RE: Starrting to actually enjoy giants team again Â
I am remembering that I didn't expect much this season. New Coach, GM, terrible OL, etc etc.
I'm not thrilled with Gettleman for FA but I think he drafts well. This was a very tough defense and the Giants were able to move the ball. We already knew the Giants were not going to get another Championship much less make the playoffs before the season even started. The latest RG acquisition was lucky but I think he's a keeper. Do well in this next off-season and we may have something for next season.
Hill were out best 2 players. Also our line while not the best has helped reel off 3 straight 100 yard days for Barkley, and Eli has had a fair amount of time. The team is young and improving there's still a lot of team needs but, OL and an edge rusher might be the biggest 2 needs. I don't care where we pick I want to win.
I thought Webb was pretty good too, the questionable end zone flag notwithstanding.
Look forward to reading Sys review of the OL...they seemed to do a decent job against the best defense in football. Mack made a couple plays but didn’t wreck us.
Ask yourself; when the Giants eventually get back playing meaningful games, is that the guy you think is going to make the right moves to get them to a championship?
Impressed w the overall performance of the offense despite the miscues.
The OL looks so much better than it has in recent years.
It looks like we've went from needing 4 new players in April this year to hopefully only needing 2 in the coming offseason. Solder isn't great but he's functional, Hernandez looks like he's improving most weeks (as is Wheeler by the way although I think he's going to be a backup at best). Brown is also decent. If we just need to find a center and RT then that looks doable this offseason.
There were 3 blockers in front of Odell and literally one of them made contact with a Chicago Bear. #35 let the guy who recovered the ball run right past him without touching him.
The Giants are a bad team that really should be 6-6 or even 7-5 right now.
was unbelievable.
An Eli's TD to Beckham on the
Sky LOB Fade was a thing of beauty.
Great excitement today watching the
game punctuated by Faux switching to the Patriots.
Really enjoyed the text play by play from my bud
with Sunday ticket.
And the reffing was horrid as usual. But an amazing win.
Maybe this means the Titans tickets will sell.
RE: I thought this guy - #45 Ukeme Eligwe - played well Â
There were 3 blockers in front of Odell and literally one of them made contact with a Chicago Bear. #35 let the guy who recovered the ball run right past him without touching him.
The Giants are a bad team that really should be 6-6 or even 7-5 right now.
It’ sure was. Especially when you look at how he threw it. Moving back to his left and avoiding a guy without his feet set. A very strong 50 yard pass in that situation isn’t easy.
There were 3 blockers in front of Odell and literally one of them made contact with a Chicago Bear. #35 let the guy who recovered the ball run right past him without touching him.
The Giants are a bad team that really should be 6-6 or even 7-5 right now.
Aldrick Rosas = MVP
I keep wondering why we cut Adams only to play Riley (#35), who is absolutely awful.
Regardless of who they had at QB. The bears are a very good football team and the Giants flat outplayed them. They even overcame their self-destructive tendencies in OT.
Ask yourself; when the Giants eventually get back playing meaningful games, is that the guy you think is going to make the right moves to get them to a championship?
+ Infinity
I thought the o-line had one of their better games Â
Impressed w the overall performance of the offense despite the miscues.
The OL looks so much better than it has in recent years.
It looks like we've went from needing 4 new players in April this year to hopefully only needing 2 in the coming offseason. Solder isn't great but he's functional, Hernandez looks like he's improving most weeks (as is Wheeler by the way although I think he's going to be a backup at best). Brown is also decent. If we just need to find a center and RT then that looks doable this offseason.
I think they’d be fine w a kick ass Center and some depth. An upgrade at RT would help obviously.
DG just needs another quality draft and a smart off-season.
trying to dive in front of a linebacker to fight for an onsides kick in a meaningless game, then what?
Not even sure why people are picking on that play - the guy from Chicago came in unblocked and was in position to cleanly recover the ball. Also the ball was recovered right near the 10 yard mark. Not really much Beckham could have done there.
Closer than it needed to be but a few unbelievable plays Â
like both of Ogletree's picks, that special teams play that downed the ball on the 1, and SB's run before half.
Daniels threw a couple of great throws right in the cookie jar to keep Chicago alive. Kudos to them to keep playing while the Giants lacked killer instinct to put them away.
There were 3 blockers in front of Odell and literally one of them made contact with a Chicago Bear. #35 let the guy who recovered the ball run right past him without touching him.
The Giants are a bad team that really should be 6-6 or even 7-5 right now.
Aldrick Rosas = MVP
We've all surely had bad teachers, or bad coaches/mentors at work.
They're out there. Clearly the Giants have them coaching special teams.
Ask yourself; when the Giants eventually get back playing meaningful games, is that the guy you think is going to make the right moves to get them to a championship?
He'll improve just like the rest of the team. He's a smart guy, I think he'll learn from his mistakes.
In comment 14202514 eclipz928 said:
[quote] trying to dive in front of a linebacker to fight for an onsides kick in a meaningless game, then what?
What...are you kidding me...Then why play any more games this season. I just don't believe or understand some of the people on BBI. They whine, constantly blaming Eli, Shurmur, Gettleman for everything that goes wrong in a game. If it rains they blame Eli, Shurmur or Gettleman. The worst is they complain without knowing the rules or what actually is the circumstance. JFC. This is my 1st season on BBI and it just boggles my mind of the IQ and whiners of half the peeps on BBI.
Mack held to 1 sack. Unfortunately it was a big one, but he was held in check most if the game. Definite progress and the run game was not too bad either.
and I have to admit, for a team playing out the string, in crappy weather that was a fun game to be at. Lots of positive signs for the Giants and lots of bad signs as well, which I think is what we expect at this point. But in all, the offensive line has continued to hold up, which is huge because it allows for the rest to come. The Giants were lucky to play a backup QB today, which is what helped them win.
Also, I've been on the Rosas bandwaggon for a while now and if we can go back to say what good came of the 2017 season. The answer is that they were bad enough to get Saquon, and were able to develop Rosas to the point where you can say he's the best kicker in the NFL right now, and you would probably be correct.
Mack held to 1 sack. Unfortunately it was a big one, but he was held in check most if the game. Definite progress and the run game was not too bad either.
He ran through Wheeler like he was made of balsa wood.
and had a big pressure against Solder and Pulley. He was quiet otherwise, the OL really was pretty good. Center is still a black hole but there has been progress in the other 4 spots. NO unit on this team is a total disaster. EVERY unit needs pieces and upgrading. It’s a good start for DG that the holes are pretty obvious instead of starting from scratch (like last off season)
This team has scored 30 points 3 times this year, now. Â
3 times this year this team has scored 30 points. Something McAdoo failed to do and his entire tenure, and something that hasn't been done since Coughlin's last game.
Well, if we're going to play the game of what McAdoo has Â
and doesn't have; he also went 11-5 in his first season as a head coach and went to the playoffs. Does Pat Shurmur have one of those type seasons...ever? Is he going to have this season? Nope.
based on any unit. I don't know. I think I'd rather my team go 11-5 rather than them score 30 points and have the record this team will end up with this season.
Look at what Barkley has done for this offense. It doesn't take a stretch of the imagination to think that if you took him off this roster, it too would struggle to score points.
...but I am very proud of the way the Giants fought and ultimately prevailed over the Bears today.
This almost turned into one of those "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory" games (aka Philly last week), but our guys hung in their, played their hearts out and came away with a victory!
...but I am very proud of the way the Giants fought and ultimately prevailed over the Bears today.
This almost turned into one of those "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory" games (aka Philly last week), but our guys hung in their, played their hearts out and came away with a victory!
based on any unit. I don't know. I think I'd rather my team go 11-5 rather than them score 30 points and have the record this team will end up with this season.
You’re not going to have an easy time 11-5 without averaging nearly 30 points per game...
Getting to 30 and plus more times than they did last year, is a positive
RE: RE: RE: This team has scored 30 points 3 times this year, now. Â
based on any unit. I don't know. I think I'd rather my team go 11-5 rather than them score 30 points and have the record this team will end up with this season.
You’re not going to have an easy time 11-5 without averaging nearly 30 points per game...
Getting to 30 and plus more times than they did last year, is a positive
Sure, it is. And how many times did they get it last year? It's also fair to point out the defense's role in this today. They were directly responsible for 10 points in this game. That doesn't happen often for our defense in recent years. It's a significant point.
trying to dive in front of a linebacker to fight for an onsides kick in a meaningless game, then what?
Not even sure why people are picking on that play - the guy from Chicago came in unblocked and was in position to cleanly recover the ball. Also the ball was recovered right near the 10 yard mark. Not really much Beckham could have done there.
Uh, the kicking team needs to let it go 10 yds. I don’t think the receiving team needs to let it go 10 yards.
I can't imagine Beckham improvising on that TD pass .... Â
but, I also don't think he had much to do with it. We pulled out some very tight wins thanks only to the Eli to OBJ combo. The offense, overall, was not great in 2016. The defense had an influx of talent and a number of guys all playing at their absolute best the same year. With more or less the same D last year, they were terrible.
I found last year's 3 win season more indicative of McAdoo's talents as a HC. Even as an OC, if you believe the talk, "his" offense was very much a collaboration with Coughlin. 2016 and 2017, on his own, the O was average to awful with very similar talent.
RE: RE: I can't imagine Beckham improvising on that TD pass .... Â
But, that kind of play seems so out of line with Shurmur's play calling style IMO. Was that play designed that way or did OBJ see that guy wide open?
Great pass buy Odell.
Why? The last time we dialed up an OBJ pass it was another long TD. I think the intent was absolutely to take that show if it was there.
I don't know if I heard it right, but in a post game interview it sounded like OBJ said it was supposed to go to Bennie (Fowler?), who was double covered. He then saw Sheppard wide open where he wasn't even supposed to be.
For all the talk about Ogletree, the OBJ pass, etc. Â
For me, the game boiled down to the final 3 plays of the first half. They were clearly trying to run out the clock, but Barkley is just too amazing and his run set them up for a shot. The next play doesn't get talked about enough. Simonson did a great job of getting a couple of extra yards AND getting out of bounds to set up the FG. Then Rosas just nailed a VERY long FG. Without that sequence, I don't think this team even sniffed a chance in the second half.
Not only was the second INT a great play, with the one handed grab, but it also prevented a TD. If he doesn't make that play, the WR had Collins beat by a few steps with nobody in front of him.
Mack held to 1 sack. Unfortunately it was a big one, but he was held in check most if the game. Definite progress and the run game was not too bad either.
You may get your wish
yes shurmur did such a bad job fielding the onside kick :rolleyes:
also, good job spelling his name
Why? Was he wearing #13 on that onside kick?
+++++1
Lmao yes so true...
Me neither. Oh well. Don't know what kind of fan that makes me.
HAhaha
I think I would have preferred they run the damn ball on 2nd and 3rd before their last field goal before the half. Damnit, Shurmur better learn how to work the game clock better.
Thought their chances in OT were slim to none with momentum completely on the other side. Credit to the offense putting a drive together
Maybe lord gettleman did have a hidden master plan after all.
Take that ring to mt. Doom.
Eli snaps the ball with over 10 seconds left on the clock
Betcher won't cover the sidelines and force the ball inside
There was one play where the play clock hit zero a full three seconds before the snap and the refs somehow missed it. It ended up being a big gain too if I remember correctly.
So true. I'm not used to the other team fucking up more than us
LET Sy dissect this mess too many things to look at .
Let the draft fall where it may .
Even with Barkley being out he was underused
in the pass game .
Not having Tribuski is another thing .
Just think about Eli the Iron Man no rookie QB
would hold up under what he has .
Still made some great throws under duress .
Tomorrow morning is going to be so much fun.
Maybe lord gettleman did have a hidden master plan after all.
Take that ring to mt. Doom.
I’m with you on this. Giants still short on talent, but they’re playing their asses off. Well, except for OBJ on the onside kick, but nevertheless...
+1. Of course, Chicago was starting Chase Daniel at QB, which didn't do them any favors.
Mack 1 sack BJ Hill 3 !!!!
Main problems - very limited pass rush and right tackle. team is getting better though
it's like they don't give a shit about the clock
Maybe lord gettleman did have a hidden master plan after all.
Take that ring to mt. Doom.
More like moron gettelman did you see that pathetic Defense, any other starting QB and giants lose easy!
I'm not thrilled with Gettleman for FA but I think he drafts well. This was a very tough defense and the Giants were able to move the ball. We already knew the Giants were not going to get another Championship much less make the playoffs before the season even started. The latest RG acquisition was lucky but I think he's a keeper. Do well in this next off-season and we may have something for next season.
I thought Webb was pretty good too, the questionable end zone flag notwithstanding.
Look forward to reading Sys review of the OL...they seemed to do a decent job against the best defense in football. Mack made a couple plays but didn’t wreck us.
The OL looks so much better than it has in recent years.
Ask yourself; when the Giants eventually get back playing meaningful games, is that the guy you think is going to make the right moves to get them to a championship?
We got our money's worth, well, that is, if you don't live in New England.
Now that's a win!
The OL looks so much better than it has in recent years.
It looks like we've went from needing 4 new players in April this year to hopefully only needing 2 in the coming offseason. Solder isn't great but he's functional, Hernandez looks like he's improving most weeks (as is Wheeler by the way although I think he's going to be a backup at best). Brown is also decent. If we just need to find a center and RT then that looks doable this offseason.
The Giants are a bad team that really should be 6-6 or even 7-5 right now.
Aldrick Rosas = MVP
Only after the feats of strength competition.
An Eli's TD to Beckham on the
Sky LOB Fade was a thing of beauty.
Great excitement today watching the
game punctuated by Faux switching to the Patriots.
Really enjoyed the text play by play from my bud
with Sunday ticket.
And the reffing was horrid as usual. But an amazing win.
Maybe this means the Titans tickets will sell.
He was very active. He looks quick, it's been a while since you could say that about any of our LB's.
The Giants are a bad team that really should be 6-6 or even 7-5 right now.
Aldrick Rosas = MVP
Somone said that Riley missed a block
The Giants are a bad team that really should be 6-6 or even 7-5 right now.
Aldrick Rosas = MVP
I keep wondering why we cut Adams only to play Riley (#35), who is absolutely awful.
Someone on BBI is a stripper? Who? Not FMiC, I hope...
I kid, I kid...
Still a wonderful feeling to beat a good team
Ask yourself; when the Giants eventually get back playing meaningful games, is that the guy you think is going to make the right moves to get them to a championship?
+ Infinity
If you're going to win a championship, everyone in the operation needs to be spot on nearly all of the time.
You don't need a great team to make good decisions as a head coach. The clock management and play calling stuff is worrisome.
I'm glad it ended well today, it's a good step for a losing team.
But I can't get that goal line sequence out of my head. Again, worked out well, but he's making shit way too hard.
He’s also a pussy. Get him off the hands team!
Quote:
Impressed w the overall performance of the offense despite the miscues.
The OL looks so much better than it has in recent years.
It looks like we've went from needing 4 new players in April this year to hopefully only needing 2 in the coming offseason. Solder isn't great but he's functional, Hernandez looks like he's improving most weeks (as is Wheeler by the way although I think he's going to be a backup at best). Brown is also decent. If we just need to find a center and RT then that looks doable this offseason.
I think they’d be fine w a kick ass Center and some depth. An upgrade at RT would help obviously.
DG just needs another quality draft and a smart off-season.
Quote:
has an arm for a wr! That was a deep tight spiral
He’s also a pussy. Get him off the hands team!
It wasn't his hands that were the problem
Quote:
Is it ok to Enjoy THIS win?
Only after the feats of strength competition.
Hahahahahah, well played.
Not even sure why people are picking on that play - the guy from Chicago came in unblocked and was in position to cleanly recover the ball. Also the ball was recovered right near the 10 yard mark. Not really much Beckham could have done there.
Daniels threw a couple of great throws right in the cookie jar to keep Chicago alive. Kudos to them to keep playing while the Giants lacked killer instinct to put them away.
Awful PI call to end regulation...
Rosas is like my favorite NYG
Screwing up our draft spot but always like a win!
The Giants are a bad team that really should be 6-6 or even 7-5 right now.
Aldrick Rosas = MVP
We've all surely had bad teachers, or bad coaches/mentors at work.
They're out there. Clearly the Giants have them coaching special teams.
Ask yourself; when the Giants eventually get back playing meaningful games, is that the guy you think is going to make the right moves to get them to a championship?
He'll improve just like the rest of the team. He's a smart guy, I think he'll learn from his mistakes.
Quote:
has an arm for a wr! That was a deep tight spiral
He’s also a pussy. Get him off the hands team!
A big pussy
[quote] trying to dive in front of a linebacker to fight for an onsides kick in a meaningless game, then what?
What...are you kidding me...Then why play any more games this season. I just don't believe or understand some of the people on BBI. They whine, constantly blaming Eli, Shurmur, Gettleman for everything that goes wrong in a game. If it rains they blame Eli, Shurmur or Gettleman. The worst is they complain without knowing the rules or what actually is the circumstance. JFC. This is my 1st season on BBI and it just boggles my mind of the IQ and whiners of half the peeps on BBI.
Also, I've been on the Rosas bandwaggon for a while now and if we can go back to say what good came of the 2017 season. The answer is that they were bad enough to get Saquon, and were able to develop Rosas to the point where you can say he's the best kicker in the NFL right now, and you would probably be correct.
He ran through Wheeler like he was made of balsa wood.
Upward trend, but 10 points were by the defense.
Riley is the worst starter on the team. FS is a huge priority next year.
Quote:
.
Upward trend, but 10 points were by the defense.
Yeah, so... McAdoo's team had defenses too. Still never hit 30.
Not saying Shurmur is good, because I'm not impressed, but worth noting.
...but I am very proud of the way the Giants fought and ultimately prevailed over the Bears today.
This almost turned into one of those "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory" games (aka Philly last week), but our guys hung in their, played their hearts out and came away with a victory!
GO GIANTS!
...but I am very proud of the way the Giants fought and ultimately prevailed over the Bears today.
This almost turned into one of those "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory" games (aka Philly last week), but our guys hung in their, played their hearts out and came away with a victory!
GO GIANTS!
There's something to be said for that.
+1
Lol, nowhere did you imply it was the offense.
3 30 point TEAM outputs is definitely a step in the right direction. Doesn’t matter how you score them, just that you score them.
You’re not going to have an easy time 11-5 without averaging nearly 30 points per game...
Getting to 30 and plus more times than they did last year, is a positive
Quote:
In comment 14202759 Britt in VA said:
Quote:
.
Upward trend, but 10 points were by the defense.
Yeah, so... McAdoo's team had defenses too. Still never hit 30.
Yeah, I mean this is the detailed analysis we get into to which to me borders on ridiculous.
Think other teams that score 30+ don't get help from the D in the form of scores, or short fields?
Still a wonderful feeling to beat a good team
I predicted Giants to win 34-26. Would have been 34-27 if Shep caught that ball
Quote:
win
Still a wonderful feeling to beat a good team
I predicted Giants to win 34-26. Would have been 34-27 if Shep caught that ball
No, 33-27
Quote:
based on any unit. I don't know. I think I'd rather my team go 11-5 rather than them score 30 points and have the record this team will end up with this season.
You’re not going to have an easy time 11-5 without averaging nearly 30 points per game...
Getting to 30 and plus more times than they did last year, is a positive
Sure, it is. And how many times did they get it last year? It's also fair to point out the defense's role in this today. They were directly responsible for 10 points in this game. That doesn't happen often for our defense in recent years. It's a significant point.
Not even sure why people are picking on that play - the guy from Chicago came in unblocked and was in position to cleanly recover the ball. Also the ball was recovered right near the 10 yard mark. Not really much Beckham could have done there.
Uh, the kicking team needs to let it go 10 yds. I don’t think the receiving team needs to let it go 10 yards.
Great pass buy Odell.
Great pass buy Odell.
I found last year's 3 win season more indicative of McAdoo's talents as a HC. Even as an OC, if you believe the talk, "his" offense was very much a collaboration with Coughlin. 2016 and 2017, on his own, the O was average to awful with very similar talent.
Quote:
But, that kind of play seems so out of line with Shurmur's play calling style IMO. Was that play designed that way or did OBJ see that guy wide open?
Great pass buy Odell.
Why? The last time we dialed up an OBJ pass it was another long TD. I think the intent was absolutely to take that show if it was there.