But if Darnold becomes a great player, hard to see how you can criticize the “let s take a quarterback crowd” for wishing the Giants had him,
A better question would be, why is it so important to you that they admit they were wrong, especially when that hasn’t been determined yet.
I wanted Darnold, but I root like hell for Barkley, because I m a Giants fan.
Don’t really get the point if your post.
Don’t you realize that being right about something is THE most important part of posting on BBI, much more important than the giants winning a game....
I didn’t love Darnold coming out, and I haven’t been impressed. There’s a good chance he’s a top 10 QB for a lot of years. But I also think his downside has been understated.
Barkley is one of the best football players I’ve ever watched. And his head seems to be screwed on 100% straight.
This organization has made a ton of poor decisions in the last 10 years. Saquon isn’t one of them.
Barkley can be the best... but there's also a matter of longevity... how many healthy, productive years can Saquon give us? 10 good years vs a QB with 15 good years...
Barkley can be the best... but there's also a matter of longevity... how many healthy, productive years can Saquon give us? 10 good years vs a QB with 15 good years...
If he stays healthy I see no reason he can’t be at this level for 12+ years.
As for his stats, from CBS Sports:
“Barkley has now totaled 100 yards from scrimmage or more in 11-of-12 regular season games for the Giants this season. The only other rookie to have done so is Eric Dickerson”
Barkley can be the best... but there's also a matter of longevity... how many healthy, productive years can Saquon give us? 10 good years vs a QB with 15 good years...
If he stays healthy I see no reason he can’t be at this level for 12+ years.
As for his stats, from CBS Sports:
“Barkley has now totaled 100 yards from scrimmage or more in 11-of-12 regular season games for the Giants this season. The only other rookie to have done so is Eric Dickerson”
It's a big if in this sport.
If they stayed healty, Victor Cruz and Hakeem Nicks would probably still be starting on this team.
Because it is an opinion. Opinions don’t get “settled,” they are expressed. People can agree or disagree, but there is no right answer that is magically revealed one day.
The bigger question is “Why is it so important to have your opinion validated on an internet message board?”
I want to see what the likes of Darnold and Rosen are like with offensive minded coaches. Once McVay stepped in, Goff was no longer a bust. People will say that Gurley is the heart and soul of that offense. Maybe true, but somebody is under center throwing those passes to lead a high powered offense. Barkley is good as advertised. No debating that. If the two rookie QB's don't turn in to anything special, especially Darnold, after about two years AND the Giants are not stuck in QB purgatory, then Barkley was the right pick. But, if Darnold is turning heads and is playing the way many thought he could, then RB at 2 was a bad pick.
Because it is an opinion. Opinions don’t get “settled,” they are expressed. People can agree or disagree, but there is no right answer that is magically revealed one day.
The bigger question is “Why is it so important to have your opinion validated on an internet message board?”
Because a message board’s entire purpose is for people to exchange opinions.
If a whole career is based on the first 12 games of the rookie season Saquon wins.
But if that’s what we’re working with than the Giants never win two Superbowls with Eli.
Because it is an opinion. Opinions don’t get “settled,” they are expressed. People can agree or disagree, but there is no right answer that is magically revealed one day.
The bigger question is “Why is it so important to have your opinion validated on an internet message board?”
Because a message board’s entire purpose is for people to exchange opinions.
And so you realize that people’s opinions don’t get settled? So why ask when it will be settled?
Because it is an opinion. Opinions don’t get “settled,” they are expressed. People can agree or disagree, but there is no right answer that is magically revealed one day.
The bigger question is “Why is it so important to have your opinion validated on an internet message board?”
Because a message board’s entire purpose is for people to exchange opinions.
And so you realize that people’s opinions don’t get settled? So why ask when it will be settled?
? That’s not what I said at all. I realize people have opinions that can evolve. And I’m curious what people who wanted a QB no matter what think.
I must have misunderstood your OP. When you asked “How long until the Saquon debate is settled?” I thought that implied at some point it would be settled. Didn’t realize you were just curious about what people thought of Saquon. The phrasing threw me.
I must have misunderstood your OP. When you asked “How long until the Saquon debate is settled?” I thought that implied at some point it would be settled. Didn’t realize you were just curious about what people thought of Saquon. The phrasing threw me.
If the Giants can pair Barkley with a young talented QB and string together a streak of good consistent years, say like what the Rams look to be doing, that should settle it.
You don't have to pick the QB first. Barkley isn't turning into a pumpkin after this year.
And I was disappointed that we didn't select one but today, I wouldn't trade Barkley for any of the quarterbacks in the last draft. He's better then I expected.
A better question would be, why is it so important to you that they admit they were wrong, especially when that hasn’t been determined yet.
I wanted Darnold, but I root like hell for Barkley, because I m a Giants fan.
Don’t really get the point if your post.
If not, it still could be settled but will have lots of debates.
If any of those QBs taken after him get a SB first, then you better bring your popcorn...
but just a little...
A better question would be, why is it so important to you that they admit they were wrong, especially when that hasn’t been determined yet.
I wanted Darnold, but I root like hell for Barkley, because I m a Giants fan.
Don’t really get the point if your post.
Don’t you realize that being right about something is THE most important part of posting on BBI, much more important than the giants winning a game....
I think some guys root against Eli because they want to be proven right
I really want Giants to get their next guy, but root like hell for Eli too.
Barkley is one of the best football players I’ve ever watched. And his head seems to be screwed on 100% straight.
This organization has made a ton of poor decisions in the last 10 years. Saquon isn’t one of them.
Ditto.
But if I had the choice of picking LaDamien Tomilson or Eli, I d want Eli.
That s my preference, how can that be unreasonable.
Is Darnold Eli? Not now, maybe never. But.......
Only half the of that is correct.
The team is 4-8 not 8-4, a RB can only do so much.
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He's by far the best rookie in the league and has the ability to carry a team on his back
Only half the of that is correct.
The team is 4-8 not 8-4, a RB can only do so much.
LOL...He's the biggest reason we have those 4 wins
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He's by far the best rookie in the league and has the ability to carry a team on his back
Only half the of that is correct.
The team is 4-8 not 8-4, a RB can only do so much.
LOL...He's the biggest reason we have those 4 wins
He is, but 4 wins out of 12 games isn’t good enough.
It’s not his fault, but unlike a QB, a RB cannot carry a team.
If he stays healthy I see no reason he can’t be at this level for 12+ years.
As for his stats, from CBS Sports:
“Barkley has now totaled 100 yards from scrimmage or more in 11-of-12 regular season games for the Giants this season. The only other rookie to have done so is Eric Dickerson”
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In comment 14202671 montanagiant said:
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He's by far the best rookie in the league and has the ability to carry a team on his back
Only half the of that is correct.
The team is 4-8 not 8-4, a RB can only do so much.
LOL...He's the biggest reason we have those 4 wins
He is, but 4 wins out of 12 games isn’t good enough.
It’s not his fault, but unlike a QB, a RB cannot carry a team.
A QB without an OL can’t carry a team either.
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Barkley can be the best... but there's also a matter of longevity... how many healthy, productive years can Saquon give us? 10 good years vs a QB with 15 good years...
If he stays healthy I see no reason he can’t be at this level for 12+ years.
As for his stats, from CBS Sports:
“Barkley has now totaled 100 yards from scrimmage or more in 11-of-12 regular season games for the Giants this season. The only other rookie to have done so is Eric Dickerson”
It's a big if in this sport.
If they stayed healty, Victor Cruz and Hakeem Nicks would probably still be starting on this team.
The bigger question is “Why is it so important to have your opinion validated on an internet message board?”
The bigger question is “Why is it so important to have your opinion validated on an internet message board?”
Because a message board’s entire purpose is for people to exchange opinions.
But if I had the choice of picking LaDamien Tomilson or Eli, I d want Eli.
That s my preference, how can that be unreasonable.
Is Darnold Eli? Not now, maybe never. But.......
LdT could have won a Super Bowl twice with that defense and a good QB.
If a whole career is based on the first 12 games of the rookie season Saquon wins.
But if that’s what we’re working with than the Giants never win two Superbowls with Eli.
But if we're talking about mobile QB's, and that's where things are trending, then those guys get hurt at a higher tick than pocket passers, too.
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Because it is an opinion. Opinions don’t get “settled,” they are expressed. People can agree or disagree, but there is no right answer that is magically revealed one day.
The bigger question is “Why is it so important to have your opinion validated on an internet message board?”
Because a message board’s entire purpose is for people to exchange opinions.
And so you realize that people’s opinions don’t get settled? So why ask when it will be settled?
Running backs are like buying shower soap - there is always a huge selection and the store never runs out.
As a lifelong PSU fan, I thoroughly enjoyed him as a player. But I wouldn’t have touched a RB in the top 15-20 picks.
But this debate is a long way from being settled. These next five years are going to be significant.
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Because it is an opinion. Opinions don’t get “settled,” they are expressed. People can agree or disagree, but there is no right answer that is magically revealed one day.
The bigger question is “Why is it so important to have your opinion validated on an internet message board?”
Because a message board’s entire purpose is for people to exchange opinions.
And so you realize that people’s opinions don’t get settled? So why ask when it will be settled?
? That’s not what I said at all. I realize people have opinions that can evolve. And I’m curious what people who wanted a QB no matter what think.
Fair point. Thanks.
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He's by far the best rookie in the league and has the ability to carry a team on his back
Only half the of that is correct.
The team is 4-8 not 8-4, a RB can only do so much.
Haha, not sure there are many nfl qb’s that would make the giants an 8-4 team, let alone QBs drafted after Barkley.
BBI can be so much fun
You don't have to pick the QB first. Barkley isn't turning into a pumpkin after this year.
Wow, that’s bitter.
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I love Barkley, best player in the draft , hard to understand anyone calling it a bad pick.
But if I had the choice of picking LaDamien Tomilson or Eli, I d want Eli.
That s my preference, how can that be unreasonable.
Is Darnold Eli? Not now, maybe never. But.......
LdT could have won a Super Bowl twice with that defense and a good QB.
They likely would have won it had it not been for a bizarre turn of events against New England