Listening to the postgame on WFAN, a caller said something about Eli’s pic and Bob Pappa, kind of agitated, said it wasn’t Eli’s fault, that Toomer broke it down earlier in the broadcast and referred the caller to go back and listen. I can’t find that stream archived anywhere. Can someone who heard it summarize or post a link?
Thanks, man. Is that what Toomer said, or your own analysis?
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It was a timing route and OBJ ran like at 3/4 speed than actually stopped instead of cutting at the top of the route. The DB undercut him and got the INT
Thanks, man. Is that what Toomer said, or your own analysis?
Toomer said it as did Carl Banks
It had to have been he misunderstood what was called because he ran that like it was a running play and he was a decoy
He said people would then be referring to “OBJing” things, In a complimentaey manner.
He said people would then be referring to “OBJing” things, In a complimentaey manner.
I caught that too and to be honest, it felt like Toomer was being a little bitchy about OBJ (and it's not the first time I have thought that). Almost like he's jealous that OBJ is breaking all his Giants records and overtaking him as the all time Giant great.
Maybe it's just me but it's not a good look for Toomer. (and I'm not saying he's wrong about the route today, just the overall tone)
Just like how he went after the onside kick....halfass
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Amani said that he wished OBJ would come to work and go 100% because he said while he is great, he could be off the charts if he came to work and ran routes as well as he thought he could.
He said people would then be referring to “OBJing” things, In a complimentaey manner.
I caught that too and to be honest, it felt like Toomer was being a little bitchy about OBJ (and it's not the first time I have thought that). Almost like he's jealous that OBJ is breaking all his Giants records and overtaking him as the all time Giant great.
Maybe it's just me but it's not a good look for Toomer. (and I'm not saying he's wrong about the route today, just the overall tone)
I watched the post game show and I didn’t get that from Amani at all. He expects more from Odell and knows how great he can be. Being a receiver himself, Amani is talking about the details he sees Odell missing. Amani was praising Odell too. Watching it live, it was clear that was Odell’s fault and listening to the panel, Amani, Carl Banks, Papa, etc. it seemed to rub them all the wrong way, how Odell ran that route.
Howard Cross agreed with Amani and went into a little more detail as to how Odell caused the int. The post game show will get posted on the site by tomorrow.
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The route didn’t cause that pick.
Howard Cross agreed with Amani and went into a little more detail as to how Odell caused the int. The post game show will get posted on the site by tomorrow.
Watch the play. Fuller had the play read before Odell got to the top of his route. That was going to be picked regardless of the route Odell ran.
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In comment 14202710 ajr2456 said:
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The route didn’t cause that pick.
Howard Cross agreed with Amani and went into a little more detail as to how Odell caused the int. The post game show will get posted on the site by tomorrow.
Watch the play. Fuller had the play read before Odell got to the top of his route. That was going to be picked regardless of the route Odell ran.
That’s Complete... conjecture.
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In comment 14202710 ajr2456 said:
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The route didn’t cause that pick.
Howard Cross agreed with Amani and went into a little more detail as to how Odell caused the int. The post game show will get posted on the site by tomorrow.
Watch the play. Fuller had the play read before Odell got to the top of his route. That was going to be picked regardless of the route Odell ran.
If Odell gets to the top of the route at full speed and makes his cut, there’s no way Fuller can undercut it. He would have had to go through OBJ which is the whole point of a timing route.
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In comment 14202718 BBelle21 said:
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In comment 14202710 ajr2456 said:
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The route didn’t cause that pick.
Howard Cross agreed with Amani and went into a little more detail as to how Odell caused the int. The post game show will get posted on the site by tomorrow.
Watch the play. Fuller had the play read before Odell got to the top of his route. That was going to be picked regardless of the route Odell ran.
That’s Complete... conjecture.
It’s really not. Look at Fuller. He was playing off with inside leverage and jumped the route twice.
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In comment 14202725 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 14202718 BBelle21 said:
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In comment 14202710 ajr2456 said:
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The route didn’t cause that pick.
Howard Cross agreed with Amani and went into a little more detail as to how Odell caused the int. The post game show will get posted on the site by tomorrow.
Watch the play. Fuller had the play read before Odell got to the top of his route. That was going to be picked regardless of the route Odell ran.
That’s Complete... conjecture.
It’s really not. Look at Fuller. He was playing off with inside leverage and jumped the route twice.
Show me the evdicne of the interception
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In comment 14202718 BBelle21 said:
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In comment 14202710 ajr2456 said:
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The route didn’t cause that pick.
Howard Cross agreed with Amani and went into a little more detail as to how Odell caused the int. The post game show will get posted on the site by tomorrow.
Watch the play. Fuller had the play read before Odell got to the top of his route. That was going to be picked regardless of the route Odell ran.
If Odell gets to the top of the route at full speed and makes his cut, there’s no way Fuller can undercut it. He would have had to go through OBJ which is the whole point of a timing route.
Fuller jumped the route at 26 seconds when Odell gets to the top, then drops back and jumps it again to get the pick. That ball can’t be thrown there.
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It was a timing route and OBJ ran like at 3/4 speed than actually stopped instead of cutting at the top of the route. The DB undercut him and got the INT
Just like how he went after the onside kick....halfass
Just like he halfassed his 50 yard TD pass.
Oh, wait...
Prove that the pick doesn’t happen if Odell runs the right route.
Not taking sides, just reporting what was said.
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In comment 14202710 ajr2456 said:
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The route didn’t cause that pick.
Howard Cross agreed with Amani and went into a little more detail as to how Odell caused the int. The post game show will get posted on the site by tomorrow.
Watch the play. Fuller had the play read before Odell got to the top of his route. That was going to be picked regardless of the route Odell ran.
Sigh. I’m inclined to listen to Howard Cross, Amani Toomer, Bob Papa, and Carl Banks...before you.
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In comment 14202718 BBelle21 said:
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In comment 14202710 ajr2456 said:
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The route didn’t cause that pick.
Howard Cross agreed with Amani and went into a little more detail as to how Odell caused the int. The post game show will get posted on the site by tomorrow.
Watch the play. Fuller had the play read before Odell got to the top of his route. That was going to be picked regardless of the route Odell ran.
Sigh. I’m inclined to listen to Howard Cross, Amani Toomer, Bob Papa, and Carl Banks...before you.
To be fair you’d be saying the ex player was a moron if it was Booger or Witten blaming it on Eli.
It's a timing route for Eli, he can't decide before throwing it if OBJ is going to get there. He just has to throw it like they've practiced a million times.
OBJ knew he fucked up, hence the halftime speech about leaving it all on the field, and all that.
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In comment 14202725 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 14202718 BBelle21 said:
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In comment 14202710 ajr2456 said:
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The route didn’t cause that pick.
Howard Cross agreed with Amani and went into a little more detail as to how Odell caused the int. The post game show will get posted on the site by tomorrow.
Watch the play. Fuller had the play read before Odell got to the top of his route. That was going to be picked regardless of the route Odell ran.
Sigh. I’m inclined to listen to Howard Cross, Amani Toomer, Bob Papa, and Carl Banks...before you.
To be fair you’d be saying the ex player was a moron if it was Booger or Witten blaming it on Eli.
Booger is a moron. Witten I don’t mind. Cross, Toomer, Papa, Banks, I respect. To be fair and clear.
Wrong
It reminded me of the play a couple of years ago against the Bears where Charles Tillman squatted like he was in zone then jumped the route for a pick 6 because he knew where the ball was going from the jump
The throw was right where the receiver was supposed to be. It's that same timing route that OBJ has hit on a few times. When he runs correctly he takes off like he is going deep which drives that DB back and then as he comes to his cut the ball is thrown so that the min he turns around it's there and he usually has some space to play with.
Because he failed to run off the DB and stopped at his cut it got jumped
Yes. This was essentially what Papa, Cross and Amani were talking about. What I don’t understand is, those guys are never shy about criticizing Eli. They don’t protect him. They’re just matter of fact about what the play was, how it should be executed, and who was most likely at fault. Papa has often said, “You know what? That’s a throw Eli would want back.” He never said that here. Neither did Cross, Banks and Amani. So why do people dig in their heels blaming Eli when these guys say otherwise?
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Eli has to trust that OBJ will get there, he didn't get there. The way OBJ ran the route, I wonder if it was an audible from a run play and he didn't get the message.
Yes. This was essentially what Papa, Cross and Amani were talking about. What I don’t understand is, those guys are never shy about criticizing Eli. They don’t protect him. They’re just matter of fact about what the play was, how it should be executed, and who was most likely at fault. Papa has often said, “You know what? That’s a throw Eli would want back.” He never said that here. Neither did Cross, Banks and Amani. So why do people dig in their heels blaming Eli when these guys say otherwise?
I don't believe OBJ purposely dogged it, he ran that like he was a decoy but even then he needs to sell it better than that
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and the route wasn't run crisply-- looked more like a dummy route--- regardless the throw is awful and the poster noting Fuller jumping the route twice is correct in the sense that fuller knew where it was going and the risk reward on the throw was bad
The throw was right where the receiver was supposed to be. It's that same timing route that OBJ has hit on a few times. When he runs correctly he takes off like he is going deep which drives that DB back and then as he comes to his cut the ball is thrown so that the min he turns around it's there and he usually has some space to play with.
Because he failed to run off the DB and stopped at his cut it got jumped
If DB doesn’t get driven back, it’s because he’s read that it’s going to be a slant. Fuller was playing the slant from very early in the route.
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In comment 14202816 PetesHereNow said:
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Eli has to trust that OBJ will get there, he didn't get there. The way OBJ ran the route, I wonder if it was an audible from a run play and he didn't get the message.
Yes. This was essentially what Papa, Cross and Amani were talking about. What I don’t understand is, those guys are never shy about criticizing Eli. They don’t protect him. They’re just matter of fact about what the play was, how it should be executed, and who was most likely at fault. Papa has often said, “You know what? That’s a throw Eli would want back.” He never said that here. Neither did Cross, Banks and Amani. So why do people dig in their heels blaming Eli when these guys say otherwise?
I don't believe OBJ purposely dogged it, he ran that like he was a decoy but even then he needs to sell it better than that
Pretty much exactly what the post game panel was saying, except there was a slight tone from Howard Cross that hinted he didn’t like the way Odell ran it. And Amani agreed.
As opposed to his "Oh shucky darn, I fucked up again."
I think OBJ lazed it, and it cost us. Not the 1st time he's done this, either.
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In comment 14202797 hitdog42 said:
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and the route wasn't run crisply-- looked more like a dummy route--- regardless the throw is awful and the poster noting Fuller jumping the route twice is correct in the sense that fuller knew where it was going and the risk reward on the throw was bad
The throw was right where the receiver was supposed to be. It's that same timing route that OBJ has hit on a few times. When he runs correctly he takes off like he is going deep which drives that DB back and then as he comes to his cut the ball is thrown so that the min he turns around it's there and he usually has some space to play with.
Because he failed to run off the DB and stopped at his cut it got jumped
If DB doesn’t get driven back, it’s because he’s read that it’s going to be a slant. Fuller was playing the slant from very early in the route.
LOL...Just stop already. You're not getting the fact that due to the way he ran that route the other aspects that make a timing pass work fail. Everything is predicated on OBJ running the route correctly or it doesn't work.
I know you earnestly want to blame Eli but you looking silly at this point
My god the sheer lack of any kind of understanding how a timing route works from you is really telling
Again, it's a timing route. Eli is throwing to a spot, and he is expecting that OBJ will get there. It's a one-read throw.
If you want to bitch at Eli, you should bitch about the sack he took in the 4th quarter that led to the punt instead of the FG attempt. Eli is supposed to audible to the run and take the 3.
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In comment 14202832 montanagiant said:
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In comment 14202797 hitdog42 said:
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and the route wasn't run crisply-- looked more like a dummy route--- regardless the throw is awful and the poster noting Fuller jumping the route twice is correct in the sense that fuller knew where it was going and the risk reward on the throw was bad
The throw was right where the receiver was supposed to be. It's that same timing route that OBJ has hit on a few times. When he runs correctly he takes off like he is going deep which drives that DB back and then as he comes to his cut the ball is thrown so that the min he turns around it's there and he usually has some space to play with.
Because he failed to run off the DB and stopped at his cut it got jumped
If DB doesn’t get driven back, it’s because he’s read that it’s going to be a slant. Fuller was playing the slant from very early in the route.
LOL...Just stop already. You're not getting the fact that due to the way he ran that route the other aspects that make a timing pass work fail. Everything is predicated on OBJ running the route correctly or it doesn't work.
I know you earnestly want to blame Eli but you looking silly at this point
Whatever you say. Eli has never thrown an interception that wasn’t the WRs fault I forgot.
Both things can be true that the route wasn’t run well and the ball shouldn’t have been thrown because Fuller had the inside cut of let early.
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Was awful. The route wasn't run clean but Fuller had the inside covered right away. Eli never should have thrown it there. Tired of the Eli apologists.
Again, it's a timing route. Eli is throwing to a spot, and he is expecting that OBJ will get there. It's a one-read throw.
If you want to bitch at Eli, you should bitch about the sack he took in the 4th quarter that led to the punt instead of the FG attempt. Eli is supposed to audible to the run and take the 3.
Pete, this poster spent the whole game thread with one purpose in mind, to dog Eli any chance he could.