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Are the Giants as bad as we think?

Big Rick in FL : 12/2/2018 8:37 pm
I was looking at our schedule today and I'm starting to think the Giants as a team aren't as bad as we think and I'm starting to believe Eli is a lot worse then we think he is.

Against the Jaguars, Cowboys, Panthers, Falcons, Redskins & Eagles (2nd game) we've lost by a combined 27 points. In those 6 games Eli Manning has thrown 6 TDs and 6 INTs. Those are really really bad numbers.

So how many of those 6 games do they win with even an average QB? Say we had a QB throw for 10 TDs and 4 INTs which is basically average in today's NFL do they win 3 of those games? 4? 5?

That TD/INT ratio is pathetic and that hurts the entire time. Whether it's taking points off the board (Malcolm Jenkins INT), allowing the opponent to score (Myles Jack pick 6) or putting the defense in a terrible position (Fumble allowing the Cowboys to take over at NYG 27 or Mike Adams INT at NYG 45) .
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We didn't lose those games because of Eli.  
since1925 : 12/3/2018 9:04 am : link
Eli was just a part of it.

It's the offensive line which is now marginally better along with the development of Barkley.

BTW, if the defense makes stops at Philly and Carolina, we're right there.
RE: They should be 6-6  
Sean : 12/3/2018 9:07 am : link
In comment 14203269 JonC said:
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That said, they are really bad at attention to detail and clean quality winning football.

Shurmur's decisions in game as well as football strategy at times are amateur.

I wonder if they'll try to talk to McCarthy.


I would like the next coach to not be under the Reid/McCarthy WCO philosophy. I’m intrigued by Dan Campbell.
RE: They should be 6-6  
YAJ2112 : 12/3/2018 9:45 am : link
In comment 14203269 JonC said:
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That said, they are really bad at attention to detail and clean quality winning football.

Shurmur's decisions in game as well as football strategy at times are amateur.

I wonder if they'll try to talk to McCarthy.


McCarthy is awful, that would suck.
Mara is a big fan  
JonC : 12/3/2018 9:51 am : link
of the modern GB way.
I think Brown and the OL have improved enough  
Jim in Forest Hills : 12/3/2018 9:55 am : link
that you can see the offense is legitimate. They can score, especially when Barkley runs the ball.

But the defense.. if they if dont get turnovers, I think they are as bad as we think. Which is bad.
RE: “you are what your record says you are” ¯ Bill Parcells  
gmenatlarge : 12/3/2018 10:10 am : link
In comment 14203340 Steve in South Jersey said:
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This. The nonsense over how they should be 6-6 is just that, nonsense, you could argue just as well the other way that they should be 2-10, so there's that.
Not worth a debate or arguing over minutiae  
JonC : 12/3/2018 10:19 am : link
They are and deserve to be 4-8, but a football mind can easily find one basic football play they should have easily made vs the Panthers or Eagles that seals both games.

They put themselves in the same position yesterday, and it forced overtime. They found a way to win this one.

Make no mistake, they stink in many respects and what they finish at in 2018 has little bearing on 2019, given how much of the roster figures to change again.

Those perspectives are not mutually exclusive.
Wouldn't it be sort of  
ryanmkeane : 12/3/2018 12:49 pm : link
pointless to hire McCarthy? He's been around the NFL awhile, hasn't won recently with the best QB in football. I know their team hasn't been that great in terms of overall talent...but I see similar issues to McCarthy with Shurmur (meaning decision making, game management...NOT resume...obviously McCarthy resume is fantastic)
It's a great question for Mara  
JonC : 12/3/2018 12:55 pm : link
should it pop up.
No on McCarthy  
AcesUp : 12/3/2018 12:59 pm : link
I question his ability to evolve as a coach. Due to the rules changes and changes to the CBA that limit practice time there's been a necessary trickle up from the college game. Some coaches are adapting and others, like McCarthy, are not. That game has changed and is changing rapidly and he's running the same offense that team ran in the 90s.
The pigeon picking is getting annoying  
USAF NYG Fan : 12/3/2018 1:22 pm : link
The Giants most dynamic player is Barkley. True he can catch the ball but when he runs it in, Eli doesn't get credit for that. Did he change the play to a run?

Eli has 15 TDs to 8 interceptions if the websites have updated since yesterday's game. Stop pigeon picking specific games. I'll do the same exact thing you did ...

Against the Cowboys, Texans, Saints, Falcons, 49ers, and Buccs. 10 TDs and 0 interceptions. Why are those numbers left out? How about 7 TDs to 2 Interceptions since bringing in Jamon Brown which CLEARLY improved the OL overall. I think that number is more telling especially since the 2 picks came against two good pass rushing teams.

Textbook pigeon picking ...
This team stinks  
Go Terps : 12/3/2018 1:25 pm : link
It's almost as hard to go 2-14 in the NFL as it is 14-2. Just because we're going to end up 6-10 doesn't mean this team isn't as bad as it has often shown itself to be.
RE: This team stinks  
ajr2456 : 12/3/2018 1:36 pm : link
In comment 14203973 Go Terps said:
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It's almost as hard to go 2-14 in the NFL as it is 14-2. Just because we're going to end up 6-10 doesn't mean this team isn't as bad as it has often shown itself to be.


This. You can take every team except maybe the Raiders and find one or two plays each game that if they make they have a couple of extra wins.

End of they day they are 4-8. Narrowly loosing games and "should have won 6" will have no correlation next year.
OBJ  
Thegratefulhead : 12/3/2018 1:37 pm : link
Is tied for the team lead for TD passes that travel 20 plus yards in the air for the entire season.
RE: This team stinks  
Greg from LI : 12/3/2018 1:47 pm : link
In comment 14203973 Go Terps said:
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It's almost as hard to go 2-14 in the NFL as it is 14-2. Just because we're going to end up 6-10 doesn't mean this team isn't as bad as it has often shown itself to be.


Agreed. A couple of excellent players don't make them a good team. Hell, the 1969 Bears had Gayle Sayers and Dick Butkus and still went 1-13.
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