I'll start this off. I'm not ready to throw the towel in on Shurmur yet. After watching the Giants put together more than a handful of really good offensive plays -- including some exciting surprise plays against a really good defense -- I think the Giants have been flashing on Offense the way we expected them to -- albeit rather late in the season. I think the players are playing with real energy for the most part. To pull off an overtime win like yesterday is a test of will power imo.
I keep looking back at Pederson's first season as HC, and he kept making what seemed like bonehead decision after bonehead decision all season his first season -- but you could see flashes of stuff out of his team -- he was really able to put his stamp on the same type of decisions in his second season and make it work.
I am coming to the conclusion that there are a handful of coach killers still on the Giants -- I think some have been shipped out and more still to come. Me I would like to see what Shurmur could do with a team that has his stamp on it -- I think our offense has the chance to be really explosive with him. I think Betcher is also a victim of having a mixed bag of flaws to play with.
The start to the season was brutal schedule wise and I think new coach, new gm, new everything it took some time to get going. I think if we finish with 6 wins this season, that is twice as many as last year and showing improvement.
The offence is starting to click and I would give him 1 more year
BUT - the players have not quit on him. They play hard every week. Even Jack Rabbit is still playing hard(notorius for throttling back). Beckham seems to be trying harder (despite the on-side kick flub). Kind of gives me pause to think Shurmur must go.
Let the season play out. If the players keep playing this hard for him, he will and should get the 2nd season.
IMO, a head coaches greatest skill is getting 100% from all his players and so far, I have not seen any quit on this team.
Not sure many recall Belichick’s second HC job after his Browns’ stint (he did better there than people give him credit for). His first year with the Pats (a year before Brady became the starter after Bledsoe’s injury) he was 5-11
He's got a lot of growing to do in terms of in game decisions. His team also sucks at attention to detail and not beating itself. Those things are not easy to fix when they're already present, but I'm hopeful they'll get it ironed out as the roster and culture continues to ascend.
People really need to understand the major overhaul on the roster. It was massive and there are more changes to come. I believe that this team can be a competitive team quickly with a few key free agent acquisitions and another solid draft.
The PAT stuff, the goaline stuff, the clock management etc.
In a league where the difference between good and great and frankly good and bad is ultra-thin, you can't have the unforced errors.
is this his first year play calling? If so, I'd give him time to grow into it. If not, maybe he should give up play calling duties.
He's not going anywhere anytime soon, but there are changes that can be made. Maybe a new OC?
Despite the record, we've been close in most games, and could easily be in the playoff hunt if things had gone slightly differently. If the OL hadn't been such a shitshow from the beginning, the record would be better. how much of the OL situation is Shurmur's fault vs Gettleman/C Mara?
There has only been one or two games where we were out of it. I'm confident that we'll do better next year. Better may not be playoffs, but better than our record now.
Hiring Shurmur was by far the worst mistake made by Gettleman in his first year...
The offensive line was so bad up until the past few weeks that I kind of give him a pass. But he's made some bizarre in game decisions that have nothing to do with the OL.
I seriously question his in-game management.
I think his capabilities will become much clearer next year, because he's going to be back as HC for sure.
Let's hope both are trending up
I like the way DG and Shurmur aren't afraid to cut bait on a player regardless of draft status or free agent status if they have an attitude issue or are just not that good.
IMO they need to hire a few higher level assistants IE OC to call plays and a more sought after O line coach.
However, if there are big fish out there, I'd not hesitate to pull the plug.
Has not been impressive, but at least the team is giving the effort and special teams have improved...
Patience people.
Three straight runs into the middle of the line from the one with oneo of the worst OL's in the NFL?????
Every time we have an incomplete pass on first down, Shumur runs Barkley into the line on second down. Every time!
Whenever we run misdirection the play looks to have potential. So why not misdirection on every play instead of the entire eleven just standing still at the LOS and trying to overpower the D.
Why didn't we have a cb covering Tarik Cohen particularly late in the game in lieu of Collins?
Why can't the Jints and Eli run an effective screen pass?
I'm not talking about asking Eli to run a zone read or something he is just not capable of doing. I'm talking about relieving the pressure on a very limited OL and getting the ball to one of our playmakers in space. Every other team in the league runs an effective screen. Why can't the Jints?
Etc.
You cannot do what the Jets just did. Firing a Coach that picks a rookie QB after year 1 is crazy, but Bowles has sucked for so long it needs to be done, and now Darnold's development is stunted because he needs to learn a new offense year 2.
Sick of losing to our divisional opponents and we will never go anywhere if we don't figure out a way to beet the teams in our own division.
You can tell he still reads what people say about him in the papers/press. Not too sure what to make of that to be honest.
There are a lot of head scratchers but you can’t fire the guy.
He needs at least 2 years.
They just beat a team they had no right to beat in an already dead season. Shows the team still believes in him and are fighting for him. That's important for a new coach.
with McAdoodle. I know he is a new coach, but they could have quit after going 1-7. Yes they have beaten 3 backup QB's, one a 3rd stringer making his second NFL start...
but they haven't quit, give him credit for that much.
They aren't pretty, they are playing for the guy though.
We'll find out more about him in the future.
I was a fan of the Shurmur hire and so far, so good as far as he's concerned. I have more issues with Gettleman, who's had some obvious misses, but he's also hit a couple out of the park, and I always say that a GM needs to be judged on how many he gets right, not how many he gets wrong.
Let the coach focus on his head coaching duties.
Not sure many recall Belichick’s second HC job after his Browns’ stint (he did better there than people give him credit for). His first year with the Pats (a year before Brady became the starter after Bledsoe’s injury) he was 5-11
That’s right and remember They wanted to hang Parcells and his 3-12-1 inaugural season and replace him with Shnellinburger .... I say give Shurmer a chance .....
Purely as an offensive football coach, he looks like the goods. And a Head Coach (like Zimmer did) could force him to stick to the run.
IMO, the team keeps improving despite the 1-7 start. That's the most important thing. I think he's definitely got leadership potential and has shown he can weather difficult times. I think he may turn out to be the guy who could lead us to our next SB championship.
Three straight runs into the middle of the line from the one with oneo of the worst OL's in the NFL?????
Every time we have an incomplete pass on first down, Shumur runs Barkley into the line on second down. Every time!
Whenever we run misdirection the play looks to have potential. So why not misdirection on every play instead of the entire eleven just standing still at the LOS and trying to overpower the D.
Why didn't we have a cb covering Tarik Cohen particularly late in the game in lieu of Collins?
Why can't the Jints and Eli run an effective screen pass?
I'm not talking about asking Eli to run a zone read or something he is just not capable of doing. I'm talking about relieving the pressure on a very limited OL and getting the ball to one of our playmakers in space. Every other team in the league runs an effective screen. Why can't the Jints?
Etc.
That wheel route play to Cohen worked twice in fact,
the previous time I believe Grant was in coverage...
I am not impressed with Grant either, I can see why
he was an UDFA, plays hard, but his skill level is lacking.
No real good matchup with someone as quick as Cohen.
The play on Collins was a 4th down play too, that matchup was terrible.
I don't think Eli is going to suddenly develop this skill in year 15.
I'm ok with Shurmur, I think he follows the Reid model of blocking criticism and that will make his players appreciate him.
Concerned with his time mgmt skills, but I think he coaches by feel, sometimes that works for you sometimes it doesnt. We'll have to see how that works for the Giants.