I know some Mets fans don't want to hear opinions from other fans on their threads, so I'll start a new one and just look at it from Seattles perspective. If you are a sensitive mets fan, please get out now.
Wow, what a job by Seattle, absolutely amazing.
So in order to steal one of the best hitters in the game during his prime, Seattle needed to sign him to a 10 year deal that would bring him into his 40's. Everyone knew that the contract would be an albatross towards the end, but they had to make a bold move. They sign Cano and get 5 high quality years. Then he gets busted for PED's and with 5 years left on the deal, they unload him and ONLY add $20M to the deal to get it done. All they had to do was add a RP to get it done. It doesn't stop there though, they even got the Mets to throw in a few top level prospects to sweaten the pot and only took on minimal salary(Bruce and the RP) to entice the Mets even more.
Absolutely amazing job by Seattle. They stole Cano from the Yankees, got his best years and then unloaded him fairly easily.
Did anyone say he's Mo Rivera? I think the point was comparing his 2017 season to any of Rivera's best. If the Mets were trading for Rivera they would've had to give up a lot more than non-top 50 prospects they traded.
IMO, the Paxton deal was the best move the Mariners made this offseason. Sheffield looks like he's going to be a high-end rotation piece and Paxton seems to find new ways to end up on the DL. The return they got for him really surprised me. Last year was the first time he's ever thrown more than 150 innings... and he's 30 years old, yikes!
Diaz was a historically elite closer last year. How much was Mariano worth to the Yankees? Would you have given up a 2 prospects to get a 24 year old Mariano Rivera?
He's 24 years old, Keith. Mariano didn't crack the majors until 25 and why don't you check out his age 25 season? And it's not about one season, he was pretty awesome in 2016 as a 22 year old as well.
Also, try to be less douchey. I'm not saying he's Mo, I'm saying that Mo was dominant and is the greatest closer ever, and Diaz is coming off one season that is arguably better than Mariano Rivera ever had. What I didn't say is that he would become Rivera or have the longevity and consistency that Rivera had.
What's absolutely silly and stupid? This:
As if the deal was about Cano in a bubble. Asinine comment.
Essentially, netting out Bruce and Swarzak, the Mets have Cano for 5 years @ less than $13M per season. with the $20M cash Seattle threw in and the $36M from Bruce and Swarzak. Cano only needs to be good (per his standards) for 2 years to make the money worth it.
History is littered with trades like this where the prospects turn out to be garbage, but at the time they have value you should maximize it and the Mets didn't IMO.
Especially when they were willing to take on the amount of $$ they took on with Cano's contract.
That being said, if the Mets do contend, and remain contenders for the next couple season, BVW will look like a genius with gigantic balls.
Because a trade like this one as your first ever trade as a GM take gigantic balls.
It can every well make or break Brodie's Mets tenure.
But as a Mets fan I was disappointed in this trade mainly because there were relievers available in FA that wouldn't have cost Kelenic - he is literally the only thing I don't like about this trade and he'd need to practically become Mike Trout with Diaz being awful and Cano flunking another test to make it a big loss for the Mets.
I wouldn't love it as an M's fan because they are a lot worse today than before the trade, but they did shed salary, so if that's their goal, mission accomplished.
For the guys who know the FA market better than me, who should be the main targets? What is your wishlist?
For the guys who know the FA market better than me, who should be the main targets? What is your wishlist?
Apparently they are sour on Ramos but mine would be
1. Ramos 2. Cervelli 3. Grandal 4. Russell Martin
I'm also surprised more people aren't upset that the Mets didn't just buy a closer. There are a solid half-dozen of them available in FA right now.
With all that said, trades are good when they work out for both teams. That's the premise of trading. Value for value, and it seems like both teams really got what they wanted.
I'm also surprised more people aren't upset that the Mets didn't just buy a closer. There are a solid half-dozen of them available in FA right now.
With all that said, trades are good when they work out for both teams. That's the premise of trading. Value for value, and it seems like both teams really got what they wanted.
1. He's had them since he was drafted
2. I'd say at least 60% of Mets fans have a negative view of this trade on twitter, if not more.
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to compare him to Mo. There have been a handful of relievers during Mo's career that had better individual seasons and like most relievers not named Mo, they fall off for a variety of reasons. Diaz had a special year. Its not like he has strung a few of them together. Any comparison to Mo is just dumb. The ability to do it year in and year out is what made Mo special. He wasn't always the best closer in a season, but he was amongst the best for over a decade. That's really what made him special. Maybe hold off on this comparison??
Did anyone say he's Mo Rivera? I think the point was comparing his 2017 season to any of Rivera's best. If the Mets were trading for Rivera they would've had to give up a lot more than non-top 50 prospects they traded.
IMO, the Paxton deal was the best move the Mariners made this offseason. Sheffield looks like he's going to be a high-end rotation piece and Paxton seems to find new ways to end up on the DL. The return they got for him really surprised me. Last year was the first time he's ever thrown more than 150 innings... and he's 30 years old, yikes!
Strange change of opinion unless you're being facetious now...
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for a shit package. Rich get richer.
Sheffield absolutely does not look like a TOR pitcher right now. He walks too many batters and if Cashman believed that, he wouldn't have dealt him. For whatever reason, NYY simply were not high on Sheffield at all.
I wasn't disagreeing with you. I just meant more fans than you think were not in favor of this. But what's done is done. Most were neutral/negative. Very few were "loving" it.
I glanced over those comments because they are just silly. I was very unimpressed from what I saw with Sheffield. He does not have top of the rotation stuff, iMO.
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I don't have a horse in the race. I hope it works out for both teams. I'm sure it will, and who cares what twitter says, most of those fans are of questionable intelligence.
I wasn't disagreeing with you. I just meant more fans than you think were not in favor of this. But what's done is done. Most were neutral/negative. Very few were "loving" it.
And that includes BBI and other Mets sites I frequent.
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You cannot run back next year with TDA and Plawecki. They need to upgrade the position. Those guys have proven what they are.
For the guys who know the FA market better than me, who should be the main targets? What is your wishlist?
Apparently they are sour on Ramos but mine would be
1. Ramos 2. Cervelli 3. Grandal 4. Russell Martin
I like Ramos as well, and I'd probably flip Grandal and Cervelli.
As for d'Arnaud, I have had an unhealthy belief that he will produce at a high level at some point for a long time, and he continues to disappoint, I do believe it's in part to his oft-injured status, and if he ever avoided the injury bug he'd be more apt to put it together. He did show some power output in 2017 but more to my point is that I don't think getting a top-shelf offensive performer is as important as fixing CF. If they get Pollock or go all-in on Harper, I'd prefer to do that than spend on C. Part of that belief is because I believe in Alonso...I think he's going to be an upper-tier offensive 1B.
If you give me:
1B Alonso
2B Cano
3B McNeil
SS Rosario
OF Conforto, Nimmo, and Pollock or Harper
Then I am simply not concerned if the Mets don't get an offensive upgrade at C, as I believe those 7 guys will be more than enough as long as we have a rotation headlined by deGrom, Syndergaard, and Wheeler.
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Did anyone say he's Mo Rivera? I think the point was comparing his 2017 season to any of Rivera's best. If the Mets were trading for Rivera they would've had to give up a lot more than non-top 50 prospects they traded.
IMO, the Paxton deal was the best move the Mariners made this offseason. Sheffield looks like he's going to be a high-end rotation piece and Paxton seems to find new ways to end up on the DL. The return they got for him really surprised me. Last year was the first time he's ever thrown more than 150 innings... and he's 30 years old, yikes!
Strange change of opinion unless you're being facetious now...
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Amazing the Yanks get a stud SP
Metnut : 11/19/2018 7:32 pm : link
for a shit package. Rich get richer.
Sheffield absolutely does not look like a TOR pitcher right now. He walks too many batters and if Cashman believed that, he wouldn't have dealt him. For whatever reason, NYY simply were not high on Sheffield at all.
lol you got me!
i just found it a bid suspicious that Keith is suddenly really interested in the SEA Mariners. Other Met fans know my thoughts on this trade even if I've accepted it by now.
It’s hard to know exactly where to go from here, so let’s turn our attention to the household name. The centerpiece of the trade is Diaz. The player the Mets are most excited to get is Diaz. The familiar name is Cano. As much as Cano is being included so that the Mariners can be rid of his contract, it’s important to understand that Cano can still play at a high level, even though he’s 36 years old. Last season, he played at a six-win pace. Statcast loved what he did at the plate. The talk about Cano being a first baseman or a DH ignores that he continues to fare well at second base in both DRS and UZR. Steamer projects Cano for about 3.0 WAR. That’s good! Cano is still good. He’s not just a pure salary dump.
On the other hand, there is the age part. For a quick analysis, I went back to 1974 and looked for position players who, like Cano, were really good between the ages of 33 and 35. Here’s how the following five years each played out:
Still good at 36. That’s in line with Cano’s Steamer projection. Still startable at 37. Things get shaky by 38, and they don’t improve from there. Very obviously, every player is unique, and Cano will have his own individual aging experience, but based on the history, the Mets should count on about two more productive seasons. Maybe two and a half. The back end will probably be ugly, because the back end is almost always ugly.
Eventually, Cano will be a bench player. For now, there’s concern he just blocks the surprisingly exciting Jeff McNeil. I’m not actually worried about that. Rather, I think this is a good thing for the Mets’ depth, which is something they’ve lacked in recent seasons. The roster is going to change further, but today, McNeil offers support at a variety of positions, including second and third. That means that, through Cano, the Mets get additional coverage at first, in case their younger options aren’t ready or able to help. You’ll see what kind of contract Marwin Gonzalez gets as a free agent. McNeil might kind of be the Mets’ own Marwin Gonzalez, albeit less able to play short. It’s important to have capable reinforcements at the ready.
Diaz is sensational. Diaz should give the Mets something they didn’t have. He throws a million miles per hour, and he just struck out 44% of his opponents, plus he’s not yet 25, and he has another four years of team control. This is where the real value is — Diaz is cheap, but if he were a free agent, he might look for $80 – 90 million. All that Mariners overachieving in 2018 was due in large part to their shutdown closer. The Mets are getting a weapon. Diaz is coming off one of the best relief seasons in recent memory.
For another quick study, I examined recent history for relief seasons worth at least 3 WAR. That’s a mighty high bar to clear, and between 1998 – 2017, there were just 33 such seasons. The following year, by average or median, the relievers gave back about 40% of their value. This is important to get: Diaz was great, and Diaz is great, but there’s a good chance he peaked. The Mets can’t expect him to just replicate what he did.
Still, Diaz should be a quality reliever for however long he’s healthy. If the 2019 Mets are a bust, but if Diaz pitches well, he could be flipped for a prospect return. I think on some gut level there exists the thought that, health-wise, Diaz is a ticking time bomb, but there’s no way I know of to back that up objectively. All pitchers are risks, and I can’t demonstrate that Diaz’s own risk level is elevated. Aroldis Chapman hasn’t been horribly injured. Craig Kimbrel has been steady from the start. Going further back, Francisco Rodriguez was good and healthy for a long time. If Diaz’s arm blows out, the Mets would find themselves in a nasty position, but that would be true for any important pitcher. We know now that, at the very least, Diaz passed a physical.
So the Mets are up a second baseman. They’re up a high-leverage reliever. They’re down a sunk-cost reliever, and a sunk-cost outfielder. And then we have the prospects. Once the Mariners determined it was time to step back, it made sense to trade Diaz around the apex of his value. I imagine the Mariners also thought there might not be many future opportunities to trade Cano away, given his age, contract, and no-trade clause. Cano might’ve only wanted to go to New York, and there’s hardly a guarantee a team in New York would always be open-minded. The Mariners have now stepped back, absolutely. But they no longer have baseball’s worst farm system.
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Did anyone say he's Mo Rivera? I think the point was comparing his 2017 season to any of Rivera's best. If the Mets were trading for Rivera they would've had to give up a lot more than non-top 50 prospects they traded.
IMO, the Paxton deal was the best move the Mariners made this offseason. Sheffield looks like he's going to be a high-end rotation piece and Paxton seems to find new ways to end up on the DL. The return they got for him really surprised me. Last year was the first time he's ever thrown more than 150 innings... and he's 30 years old, yikes!
Strange change of opinion unless you're being facetious now...
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Amazing the Yanks get a stud SP
Metnut : 11/19/2018 7:32 pm : link
for a shit package. Rich get richer.
Sheffield absolutely does not look like a TOR pitcher right now. He walks too many batters and if Cashman believed that, he wouldn't have dealt him. For whatever reason, NYY simply were not high on Sheffield at all.
lol you got me!
i just found it a bid suspicious that Keith is suddenly really interested in the SEA Mariners. Other Met fans know my thoughts on this trade even if I've accepted it by now.
LOL, I figured you were being facetious but I wasn't sure.
I don't think this is really a bad deal for the Mets at all. The only argument against it is really just that they could have easily "bought" a good RP (or even two) without needing to take on Cano's deal in the process.
Cano helps the Mets right now - I think 2-3 years of the 5 will be good-decent. The last 2-3 are probably going to be tough. Like I said the other day, if the Mets are okay with that and aren't going to let that money get in the way of doing what's necessary to keep the team competitive, it's less of an issue. If it's "same old Mets" in that regard, then it could be a problem.
If Kelenic turns into a stud, then yeah - that also makes it a tougher pill to swallow. But again, prospect odds are so small at this stage. There are so many career arc possibilities for Kelenic at this stage.
So, I think the Mets could effectively have accomplished similar without needing to part with Kelenic but I also think they needed to get Bruce out of there and that doing so will be addition by subtraction.
If anything, it's good to see a little more creativity/willingness to shake it up a bit and do something a little less conventional.
If I had to project a "winner" of the trade, I'd probably say SEA, but not by a ton. like 60/40. Obviously the real answer to that won't be known for a few years.
Yeah, the brass definitely just didn't see him as a major piece of the puzzle going forward. Seemed like there were some minor flags/issues - but the way they really just seemed reluctant to have him pitch with the big club last year was telling. I have a feeling they were worried about him pitching away a lot of potential trade value - and he did have that one appearance where he pitched poorly, so, it's possible there would have been more of those and then all of a sudden, he's no longer as highly-regarded.
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Oh ffs.
Both teams are getting exactly what they want and need. The Mets have decided they want to win with their window of pitching (something we have been pining for for years) and Seattle got a few prospects and salary relief for the future since they decided to blow it up.
These kind of trades happen every single day and regardless if the prospects are nothing or turn into Babe Ruth, teams generally dont think twice about it. Every trade involving prospects comes with the possibility the prospects might end up good. Thats the risk. It really has nothing to do with the value going each way in the trade at the time of the trade. Mets fans shouldn't care about Fulmer for Cespedes years later and Cubs fans probably arent crying about trading Gleybor Torres for 2 months of Chapman. Thats how trades work. If Kelenic turns into Mike Trout, good for him.
Value wise, Im completely baffled at the reaction from people in regards to what the going rate is for a top closer. Miller, Chapman, Kimbrell, etc. have all gotten traded for top prospects and none had half the control Diaz has. Regardless of Kelenic's upside or sentimental attachments, thats a fair trade on todays market.
With Cano. its simple. After the bad contracts and cash going the other way 5/65 isnt a lot and he helps you win now which is what we are trying to do. Yeah the end could be ugly but who really cares? We have nothing on the books in a few years and if we cant eat the backend of, quite frankly not a lot of money for a NY team, then what the hell are we doing?
I almost think Mets fans are just afraid to try to win or something.... maybe shell shocked or leery we might do more and that might be understandable. After years of complaining about only going "half in though, they finally make a ballsy move that shows they want to win and people are worried about prospects that will help in 2023?? If the Mets offseason is done Ill join everyone in saying this didn't make much sense but if they make some more moves and spend some more money than I wont really get any hate for this trade at all. This should be what every Met fan wants and it should be exciting.
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Both teams are getting exactly what they want and need. The Mets have decided they want to win with their window of pitching (something we have been pining for for years) and Seattle got a few prospects and salary relief for the future since they decided to blow it up.
These kind of trades happen every single day and regardless if the prospects are nothing or turn into Babe Ruth, teams generally dont think twice about it. Every trade involving prospects comes with the possibility the prospects might end up good. Thats the risk. It really has nothing to do with the value going each way in the trade at the time of the trade. Mets fans shouldn't care about Fulmer for Cespedes years later and Cubs fans probably arent crying about trading Gleybor Torres for 2 months of Chapman. Thats how trades work. If Kelenic turns into Mike Trout, good for him.
Value wise, Im completely baffled at the reaction from people in regards to what the going rate is for a top closer. Miller, Chapman, Kimbrell, etc. have all gotten traded for top prospects and none had half the control Diaz has. Regardless of Kelenic's upside or sentimental attachments, thats a fair trade on todays market.
With Cano. its simple. After the bad contracts and cash going the other way 5/65 isnt a lot and he helps you win now which is what we are trying to do. Yeah the end could be ugly but who really cares? We have nothing on the books in a few years and if we cant eat the backend of, quite frankly not a lot of money for a NY team, then what the hell are we doing?
I almost think Mets fans are just afraid to try to win or something.... maybe shell shocked or leery we might do more and that might be understandable. After years of complaining about only going "half in though, they finally make a ballsy move that shows they want to win and people are worried about prospects that will help in 2023?? If the Mets offseason is done Ill join everyone in saying this didn't make much sense but if they make some more moves and spend some more money than I wont really get any hate for this trade at all. This should be what every Met fan wants and it should be exciting.
Z, Kimbrel had 4 years of control when SD acquired him and 3 years when Boston did. Miller had 2 1/2 years when Cleveland acquired him. I'm not arguing your points but the reason both brought back so much was because of their control.
If this is true, it could help us clean up our payroll a bit and further allow us to do a bit more.
Shecky? Any thoughts on this yet? Too early?
Sources: The $20M #Mets will receive from the #Mariners will be spread out in roughly even portions over the remaining five years of Canó’s contract. It is not a one-time lump-sum payment. Trade mostly payroll-neutral for this season. Cano ~$20M, Diaz <$1M, Bruce + Swarzak ~$21M.
Love it! 9%
Like it! 24%
It's fine! 35%
It's terrible! 32%
Bare minimum to be competitive: Maldonado, McCutchen, Miller or Robertson.
Very happy: Ramos, Pollock, Miller or Robertson, backend starter for depth purposes.
Shoot for the Stars: Swap Conforto for Realmuto, Sign Harper, Sign Miller and Robertson (or two similar arms), sign Gio. Live with Lagares in CF until Cespedes returns. Rid yourself of Frazier.
Crazy enough even the shoot for the stars option probably keeps the payroll around 170 million or so.
Im kind of surprised he still is employed by SNY. They have to be able to identify how bad he is right? I can think of countless better options.
"One rival executive who likes the Mariners’ return in the Robinson Canó-Edwin Diaz blockbuster said it would have been even better if the M’s had landed Mets second baseman Jeff McNeil, who in the exec’s opinion could have been another Mitch Haniger-like steal for Seattle."
"The executive believes McNeil possesses “freaky” contact skills that will enable him to be an everyday second baseman on a championship club." - (Ken Rosenthal)
"One rival executive who likes the Mariners’ return in the Robinson Canó-Edwin Diaz blockbuster said it would have been even better if the M’s had landed Mets second baseman Jeff McNeil, who in the exec’s opinion could have been another Mitch Haniger-like steal for Seattle."
"The executive believes McNeil possesses “freaky” contact skills that will enable him to be an everyday second baseman on a championship club." - (Ken Rosenthal)
Just hope that Callaway doesn't regularly start Frazier over McNeil at 3B.
"One rival executive who likes the Mariners’ return in the Robinson Canó-Edwin Diaz blockbuster said it would have been even better if the M’s had landed Mets second baseman Jeff McNeil, who in the exec’s opinion could have been another Mitch Haniger-like steal for Seattle."
"The executive believes McNeil possesses “freaky” contact skills that will enable him to be an everyday second baseman on a championship club." - (Ken Rosenthal)
And herein lies the issue. The Mets had all the leverage in this deal and you always felt that it was the Mariners who were controlling the discussion. When a team is trying to unload an albatross contract for a 36 year old recent PED violator, the other team should “win” that trade 100 times out of 100. Only the Mets could screw that up.
Bare minimum to be competitive: Maldonado, McCutchen, Miller or Robertson.
Very happy: Ramos, Pollock, Miller or Robertson, backend starter for depth purposes.
Shoot for the Stars: Swap Conforto for Realmuto, Sign Harper, Sign Miller and Robertson (or two similar arms), sign Gio. Live with Lagares in CF until Cespedes returns. Rid yourself of Frazier.
Crazy enough even the shoot for the stars option probably keeps the payroll around 170 million or so.
I respect you as a poster and a Mets fan, but I hate your post. A home grown talent like Conforto you want to trade for Realmuto? I hate the hired guns mentality. I'd rather root for homegrown stars, and Conforto is that. Would love to see him play his whole career as a Met.
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"One rival executive who likes the Mariners’ return in the Robinson Canó-Edwin Diaz blockbuster said it would have been even better if the M’s had landed Mets second baseman Jeff McNeil, who in the exec’s opinion could have been another Mitch Haniger-like steal for Seattle."
"The executive believes McNeil possesses “freaky” contact skills that will enable him to be an everyday second baseman on a championship club." - (Ken Rosenthal)
And herein lies the issue. The Mets had all the leverage in this deal and you always felt that it was the Mariners who were controlling the discussion. When a team is trying to unload an albatross contract for a 36 year old recent PED violator, the other team should “win” that trade 100 times out of 100. Only the Mets could screw that up.
Disagree. Just because they gave out an expensive contract doesn’t mean we get to just run roughshod over them despite them eating almost half his salary in the deal “net”. Cano is still very good and proved it post PEDs. We don’t get to “have” their closer for the supreme duty of taking on Cano. Cano still has value and likely would have gotten a nice 2-3 year deal on the open market today. They didn’t screw up anything with Cano. They wanted him and swapped out some bad contacts and acquired some cash to make his contract less. They gave up nothing of substance for him. They did a separate trade for one of the best closers in baseball for a couple of prospects. Seems reasonable and fair all around to me.
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"One rival executive who likes the Mariners’ return in the Robinson Canó-Edwin Diaz blockbuster said it would have been even better if the M’s had landed Mets second baseman Jeff McNeil, who in the exec’s opinion could have been another Mitch Haniger-like steal for Seattle."
"The executive believes McNeil possesses “freaky” contact skills that will enable him to be an everyday second baseman on a championship club." - (Ken Rosenthal)
Just hope that Callaway doesn't regularly start Frazier over McNeil at 3B.
Hopefully Frazier is either moved or is at 1B until Alonso is finished being Super 2’d.
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"One rival executive who likes the Mariners’ return in the Robinson Canó-Edwin Diaz blockbuster said it would have been even better if the M’s had landed Mets second baseman Jeff McNeil, who in the exec’s opinion could have been another Mitch Haniger-like steal for Seattle."
"The executive believes McNeil possesses “freaky” contact skills that will enable him to be an everyday second baseman on a championship club." - (Ken Rosenthal)
Just hope that Callaway doesn't regularly start Frazier over McNeil at 3B.
Hopefully Frazier is either moved or is at 1B until Alonso is finished being Super 2’d.
Agreed, I would hang on Frazier and let him be the 1B until June 1st. At that point, you can either trade him or move him to the bench.
As for Cerrone, I don't believe his opinions are his own. Knowing he is paid by the team, ownership is probably using him to take the temperature of the fan base.
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"One rival executive who likes the Mariners’ return in the Robinson Canó-Edwin Diaz blockbuster said it would have been even better if the M’s had landed Mets second baseman Jeff McNeil, who in the exec’s opinion could have been another Mitch Haniger-like steal for Seattle."
"The executive believes McNeil possesses “freaky” contact skills that will enable him to be an everyday second baseman on a championship club." - (Ken Rosenthal)
And herein lies the issue. The Mets had all the leverage in this deal and you always felt that it was the Mariners who were controlling the discussion. When a team is trying to unload an albatross contract for a 36 year old recent PED violator, the other team should “win” that trade 100 times out of 100. Only the Mets could screw that up.
Disagree. Just because they gave out an expensive contract doesn’t mean we get to just run roughshod over them despite them eating almost half his salary in the deal “net”. Cano is still very good and proved it post PEDs. We don’t get to “have” their closer for the supreme duty of taking on Cano. Cano still has value and likely would have gotten a nice 2-3 year deal on the open market today. They didn’t screw up anything with Cano. They wanted him and swapped out some bad contacts and acquired some cash to make his contract less. They gave up nothing of substance for him. They did a separate trade for one of the best closers in baseball for a couple of prospects. Seems reasonable and fair all around to me.
You are right, we can disagree. The expensive contract is a big part of the deal. If a team wants to hand a player a dumb, expensive, long term contract...and then unload the worst part of that contract to another team, then they shouldn’t be in the drivers seat. The Mets didn’t even save any money on the deal this year lol. And Bruce/Swarzak were not bad contracts by any stretch.
And stop acting like that Cano and Diaz were separate trades...they weren’t. The Mariners weren’t going to throw in Diaz unless they get our best prospects and also take Canos albatross contract. And this is off of ONE big year. If we get 2017 Diaz ( highly probable) then the trade doesn’t look so good, eh?
wat?