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Changing the culture, how are the Giants doing?

ij_reilly : 12/3/2018 10:34 am
The new regime has emphasized the need to change the team's culture, from Day 1.

How do you think they are doing?

While I see some very disappointing personnel moves, such as the Stewart signing, for myself I think they are doing a really good job of changing the team's culture. And I think it is critical. The old team was a losing team, and not just because of inferior personnel and lousy coaching.

I think the OL is a prime example of what has changed. Last year Hart was jettisoned PDQ. Flowers was on a bit of a scholarship, and I wish the decision was made in the offseason, but the Giants bit the bullet and benched then ditched Flowers. The tough decision was made on Omameh. No free agent scholarships either.

On the OL, I see five players really playing hard. Every play. The team needs a new center, but at least Pulley is out there putting in a maximum effort. You can see it. And nobody is going to confuse Chad Wheeler for Kareem McKenzie. But Wheeler lays it all out there, every play. At least that's what I see.

Brown is playing for a contract and he's motivated after being cut. He's working hard. Hernandez hasn't missed a snap, I believe, which is great for a rookie who has to deal with the much longer NFL season. And Solder hasn't given up and has worked to turn his season around.

All this happening on the OL even with a very questionable OL coaching situation. I'm encouraged.

It's been a shitty year. I went to the Monday night Falcons-Giants shit show. The team was pathetic that night.

Yet, at 4-8, strange to say, I feel hopeful about next year. This team plays hard. Scholarship season is over, both for draftees and free agent signings. The team admits errors, makes the tough decisions, and moves forward.

It seems like a three-prong attack is required to fix these Giants:
1. Improved personnel
2. Superior coaching
3. A winning culture

I think they are getting the job done in regards to culture.

Say what you want about this staff and the lockerroom,  
Keith : 12/3/2018 10:35 am : link
but they are playing really hard every sunday. Last year they mailed it in, that's not the case this seaon.

I do not like Shurmur as a HC, I think he's done a terrible job, but I need to give him credit for that. He has them playing hard.
They are playing hard  
Ben in Tampa : 12/3/2018 10:45 am : link
and we are hearing about leaders emerging in this group. Barkley, OBJ, Collins, Ogletree....

In the post-Strahan/AP decade, we haven't had that in your face, rally the troops leader outside of maybe Rolle. Eli & Tuck are/were the strong silent type I guess.

I've felt that was missing for a long time with this ball club. A big personality on the sidelines.
I’m not sure Collins is a leader type guy. He really hasn’t led by  
Ivan15 : 12/3/2018 10:53 am : link
example this year.
I want a coach that the guys want to play for  
AnnapolisMike : 12/3/2018 10:57 am : link
There are legitimate questions about Shurmur at this point. But if the Giants finish the season with six wins or more...I think you are going to have to bring him back.
It’s way too early to judge Shurmur ...  
Spider56 : 12/3/2018 11:13 am : link
In 1995 the GOAT was 5-11 with Cleveland ... his next HC gig was 5 years later when he was 5-11 with New England.

In 2012, Shurmur was 5-11 with Cleveland ... what say we give him a bit more time.
I'm sure they will be looking to find a starting C,  
smshmth8690 : 12/3/2018 11:24 am : link
but I would have liked to see how Halapio developed this year.
I was listening to Carl Banks on the way home from the game  
Larry in Pencilvania : 12/3/2018 11:32 am : link
and he basically said yesterday's win was about the change in culture. How guys knew their assignments, stayed with the game plan, never quit and continued to play hard. All this can be attributed to a change in culture. His thoughts not mine
re: I was listening to Carl Banks  
ij_reilly : 12/3/2018 11:38 am : link
That's music to my ears, thanks for posting.
If you can’t see it then you are blind  
eli4life : 12/3/2018 12:04 pm : link
This team is young still has holes to fill but need to learn to come together and win that is happening. One more offseason and we should be back to meaningful football in December and at minimum competing for a playoff spot
RE: re: I was listening to Carl Banks  
Larry in Pencilvania : 12/3/2018 12:46 pm : link
In comment 14203753 ij_reilly said:
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That's music to my ears, thanks for posting.


Another thing he also mentioned was penalties. A someone called in to complain about the penalties both late in yesterday's game and through the season. Both Papa and Banks said that overall the Giants have cut down on penalties. What was interesting was that Banks said that penalties are NOT a function of coaching. He said all coaches stress NO PENALTIES. It's when players buy into a system and are accountable to each other that the sloppy penalties decrease.

I found that to be interesting as well it's always been stressed here that poor coaching results in penalties
I feel the shift to a positive locker and culture  
giantsFC : 12/3/2018 1:42 pm : link
Occurred after the final cut of Omenah.

It feels to me most of the whining and sulking is gone.

Beckham has his diva moments of selfishness but teams can w with one of those if their are stronger leaders then that to drive the culture.

Still not sure about Collins. Though he abooded blame, he was part of that negative blame game media culture w Eli Apple. proclaiming he was a locker leader at his early stage was premature as he maturity stunk.
last year this time  
bluepepper : 12/3/2018 1:57 pm : link
we had fired the HC and GM signalling that the season was over.

And oh yeah, this year we have Saquon Barkley and Odell Beckham. They might have something to do with winning 3 of 4. We'd probably be 1-11 or 2-10 without them and nobody would be talking about culture change.



They got rid of some  
Les in TO : 12/3/2018 1:59 pm : link
Bad apples no pun intended. So it’s moving in the right direction. But until they find a QB the results will be more of the same
RE: Say what you want about this staff and the lockerroom,  
djstat : 12/3/2018 2:16 pm : link
In comment 14203603 Keith said:
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but they are playing really hard every sunday. Last year they mailed it in, that's not the case this seaon.

I do not like Shurmur as a HC, I think he's done a terrible job, but I need to give him credit for that. He has them playing hard.
What do you base him doing a terrible job of? Does he make mistakes? Sure. Most coaches do. But this is a three year process, not 3 months
re: bluepepper  
ij_reilly : 12/3/2018 3:02 pm : link
I understand what you are saying.

There is a "but" though.

I think it has been very clear that the culture change is required in order to return to the playoffs and challenge for a Lombardi. By itself, no, it is not sufficient. But I do believe it is required.

So, it is worth talking and would be getting some scrutiny, regardless of 4 wins or 1 win.

Again, I think you can really see the change in the way the OL plays. It is huge turnaround from 2017, night and day really.


Changing the culture  
Dave on the UWS : 12/3/2018 3:50 pm : link
Getting guys to buy in. Play for each other and execute is the MAIN job of the HC. Most of the criticism about Shurmur is connected to his play calling. If you think he sucks at that it doesn’t mean he’s a bad coach. There may be too much on his plate let’s see how it plays out.
In prior years this team would have folded  
lawguy9801 : 12/3/2018 5:33 pm : link
Yesterday was a different story. A very positive development that can hopefully be a springboard moving forward.
I absolutely love....  
5BowlsSoon : 12/3/2018 5:40 pm : link
Odell and Saquon. I know some guys get on Odell for various reasons, but I love the guy. He plays hard and he so very much wants to be the man to help us win these close games. When you are as good as he is, you should give him the ball more.

Saquon has already become my favorite Giant and I am so proud to see him wearing Giants blue.
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