Eli 2019

In fairness, Eli is way too classy to say he’d play for anyone else, even if he would

Rip up the deal? That means we take a $17 million cao hit on top of what the new deal is for. Or, you extend him a year and push some of the money down the line.

Either situation is not ideal. I'd have to really look at the way it is structured to see if this makes sense but I doubt it. I love Eli but saving 17 mil is awfully tempting for next year. As most said, this probably is not ending well. Eli has never taken a pay cut in his life and I don't expect him to now. With that said, this is the first time in his career he has little leverage so it is possible. I think before this decision is made the Giants will have to really crunch the numbers with the potential QBs available via FA and/or the draft. Eli has a roster bonus coming up shortly after the season so we will find out pretty early what the Giants intentions are.

Until the future is on the roster. Lauletta isn’t the future.

All of the FA options are shitty and the net result doesn’t save much money, if at all.

would be a catastrophic disaster.

In comment 14204356 robbieballs2003 said:

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Rip up the deal? That means we take a $17 million cao hit on top of what the new deal is for. Or, you extend him a year and push some of the money down the line. Either situation is not ideal. I'd have to really look at the way it is structured to see if this makes sense but I doubt it. I love Eli but saving 17 mil is awfully tempting for next year. As most said, this probably is not ending well. Eli has never taken a pay cut in his life and I don't expect him to now. With that said, this is the first time in his career he has little leverage so it is possible. I think before this decision is made the Giants will have to really crunch the numbers with the potential QBs available via FA and/or the draft. Eli has a roster bonus coming up shortly after the season so we will find out pretty early what the Giants intentions are.

I didn't mean we take a 17 mil cap hit. I mean we save 17 mil on the cap. His base salary is 11.5. His prorated amount is 6.2 (that is the cap hit). He has a 5 million dollar roster bonus and 500,0000 workout bonus.

So, yes, we can cut Eli and save 17 mil and then offer him a smaller deal if he'd accept. That just depends on what position we are in and what Eli wants. If we are going QB early then I doubt Eli would want to sit around and keep the seat warm for this new QB. If it was happening now I know he'd be the ultimate profession. However, when you don't have a job and know the team is going in another direction I don't think Eli would sign up for that. I think he'd rather retire than deal with that. Just my opinion.

all but guarantees he will not live out this contract as is.

In comment 14204361 WillVAB said:

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Until the future is on the roster. Lauletta isn’t the future...

How do know Lauletta isn’t the future?

When it s still possible to make a play. I know he also makes great plays like the touchdown to Beckham, but those other plays are such a bad look.

I have always been s a Eli guy, I don’t want to see this end badly. A big part of me wants him back, but I just don t think the Giants, specifically Shurmur are going to look at his body of work and not want to move on from him and his salary.

If the Giants move on, He'll be very much adrift.

let Eli go after this season and save the $17M.

He can sign with a team where is okay being a mentor where eventually a younger player will take over or he can be like a Jay Cutler and try to save a team's season if the starter gets hurt. Outside of that I dont see where a team will be knocking down his door to be the unquestioned starter for a whole year.

In comment 14204378 mrvax said:

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In comment 14204361 WillVAB said: Quote: Until the future is on the roster. Lauletta isn’t the future... How do know Lauletta isn’t the future?

Because the odds of him being a true franchise QB are about the same as winning the powerball lottery.

I’d extend Eli through 2020, look to draft Fromm in 2020, then go into 2021 with a young, cheap, franchise QB and a clean cap.

Eli will be here next year and might even get extended. It would be my guess.

they will draft o line and defense next year. Look for qb in 2020.

In comment 14204403 WillVAB said:

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Because the odds of him being a true franchise QB are about the same as winning the powerball lottery. I’d extend Eli through 2020, look to draft Fromm in 2020, then go into 2021 with a young, cheap, franchise QB and a clean cap.

Will, I think we'll have to see what Shurmur does with Lauletta before we write him off. If they draft a QB high in 2019 or 2020 we'll have all we need to know.

The team will have to really suck for them to get Fromm.

but the Giants if they do nothing will have an estimated $34M under the cap. We aren't hurting for cap relief and they only player that will be due a contract is Collins. I'm not in favor of extending Collins. Outside of 2016, he has been average. Maybe FT for him and make him prove it for another year. I don't expect DG to be active in the first wave of FA. I expect the 2nd tier of FAs will be signed to round out the roster.

In comment 14204416 mrvax said:

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In comment 14204403 WillVAB said: Quote: Because the odds of him being a true franchise QB are about the same as winning the powerball lottery. I’d extend Eli through 2020, look to draft Fromm in 2020, then go into 2021 with a young, cheap, franchise QB and a clean cap. Will, I think we'll have to see what Shurmur does with Lauletta before we write him off. If they draft a QB high in 2019 or 2020 we'll have all we need to know. The team will have to really suck for them to get Fromm.

I don’t know — a buddy of mine bet me 100 Fromm wouldn’t be a first round pick (My side is he will be). He lives in Atlanta and apparently UGA is high on the Fields kid behind Fromm. In any event, 2020 seems like a better year to look for a QB in the draft.

If the Giants keep winning they aren’t going to be in a position to get a QB in a shallow ‘19 class.

Where are you going to spend that $100 ?

Now for the Gints. Doesn’t make you video players and prepubescent s happy but what do you really know.

Not much.

turn the page. its over. the change was justified last year but not acceptable. acceptable this year with a fair amount of hand wringing. next year its going to be an outright disaster.

In comment 14204447 mrvax said:

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Where are you going to spend that $100 ?

Yea I think it’s a mortal lock Fromm is a 1st rounder unless he breaks his neck or gets arrested for something serious, but apparently he thinks otherwise.

In comment 14204421 Diver_Down said:

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but the Giants if they do nothing will have an estimated $34M under the cap. We aren't hurting for cap relief and they only player that will be due a contract is Collins. I'm not in favor of extending Collins. Outside of 2016, he has been average. Maybe FT for him and make him prove it for another year. I don't expect DG to be active in the first wave of FA. I expect the 2nd tier of FAs will be signed to round out the roster.

The Giants might not have many UFA that will command big money, but they have a some pretty big holes everywhere. RT, RG, C, WR, TE, SS, FS, OSLB, CB all are in need of talent upgrades.

one last hurrah with Eli in 2019. Maybe it ends in a magic run. This team does seem to be improving and maybe if they didn't have to cut the whole right side of the line and starting FB Eli and the O would have looked better early.

Team this year was one 63 yarder miss away and a fucking collapse at home where Eli did bring team down for game tying FG and with proper officiating would have been a TD drive. Both those things team is 6 - 6 and in the thick of it.

I say bring him back, unless there is a QB they love and can obtain.

He can make plays in spurts but at this stage of his career he has proven to be in no way capable of performing at a high enough level on a consistent basis to get this team anywhere. I am with Terps on this one. If there is no QB they love in this draft then just start Lauletta and upgrade the team around him. If he can handle it, great. If not, we suck anyway and have a shot at Tua or Fromm in 2020.

no matter if they still don’t draft a QB next year and wait until 2020.

Not saying the Giants won’t bring Eli back. But it’s simply just an awful decision to not break this down in order to build it back up. And that position isn’t working so save me the isolated replays when it does...

no matter if they still don’t draft a QB next year and wait until 2020.

Not saying the Giants won’t bring Eli back. But it’s simply just an awful decision to not break this down in order to build it back up. And that position isn’t working so save me the isolated replays when it does...

What makes you think we will be picking top 5 or better
in 2020 ? I think 2019 is Eli's last in Blue . They will
make a Play for another younger top FA O-lineman move up in
this Years draft and take Herbert or maybe he somehow falls
to them . Load up on defense the rest of the draft .
One last run for Eli . Now if Lauletta shows some promise
they can then wait for 2020 and go after Tua or Fromm .
Problem is still gonna be the Defense .
I just don't see a simple solution other than hoping Lauletta
can cut it as a stater hope for the best in that regard

Eli in 2020, let alone 2019 would be asinine.

At the end of the season?

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At the end of the season?

I don't think so. He still wants to play. But he also has said that he only wants to play for the Giants. If the Giants talk to him at the end of the season with the plan that they do not intend to pay his roster bonus (hence releasing him), then I could see his desire to play only for the Giants outweighing his desire to continue to play. In such a scenario, Eli would announce his retirement.

Eli is ineffective without an OL/running game.....put an OL in front of him and he plays well....but his decision making just seems to be getting worse....he is leaving too many plays on the field....and he is making it easy for the defense, by staring down receivers...and the arm does NOT have the zip it once had.....he can lob one far, but his fast ball is now a change up...

into retiring if he really wants to play again next year. He's had his career. Why does he want to play on three and five win teams?

He's lost maybe just a step, but that's more than he able to lose. Could Eli today escape that scrum he was caught in, allowing him to launch the Tyree helmet catch?

A guy with class knows when it's time to leave. Against the Eagles he looked like peak Eli confidently leading the team until he took a couple of hard hits. On the second hit, falling backwards, he just launched the ball up into the air for anyone to catch.

Then he threw that pick that cost the team the three points they would have had at the end of are rookie mistakes. I, for one, don't want to see another year of this. It's pointless.

I'm kind of surprised how much loyalty there is to Eli here. Not because he doesn't deserve it, but because of all the other Giants who played great for us in the winning years who people couldn't want to get rid of fast enough. Like Nicks and Victor Cruz and JPP.

What you see from Eli this year is all your ever going to see anymore. He isn't going to morph into the Eli of five or ten years ago.

Enough of this groundhog day bullshit. Another year with Eli past his expiration date is another year we waste Barkley and Beckham. We’re just postponing the inevitable and wasting years of our star players prime.

Importantly, there 17 million reasons to let go of a QB not worth 7 million at this point. Let’s start getting cap healthy and get the war chest ready to spend on young talent in 2019 and 2020.

Time to move on. Draft a QB high in 2019 or go with a cheap journeyman and Lauletta - even if it means basically sucking for a top QB pick in 2020. No need to pay Eli $17M to do that.

I'm as skeptical as most, but if in the middle of 2013 you asked what Kirk Cousin's future would hold, it wouldn't be his current contract.

and there is no guarantee we're in position to draft a "franchise" quarterback this year, next year or the year after.

this idea of being in position to draft Fromm or Tua or anyone else is some kind of shared delusion.

Look what happy to M. Milton ....people on here are overboard with this Tua crap

Will they extend him a year?

Who knows at this point

That's what i want.

I'd even extend him if it helps the CAP.

I see the same Eli that's been here since 2004.

Then you have been asleep for the last 6 seasons....

It's easy to say cut him, but then what is the replacement plan? If they cut him then they absolutely need to take a QB in round one. It makes no sense to cut him and then have to pay his dead money and his replacements money. Then, you lost all benefits of cutting him and gaining the extra cap money.

Dudes got a career near .500, move on.