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NFT: Wizards at Knicks - 7:30 PM

GiantsUA : 12/3/2018 6:03 pm
Line ups

NY Knickerbockers

Hezonja - SG
Mudiay - PG
Kanter - C
THJr - SF
Vonleh - PH

Wizards

Oubre - SF
Bryant - C
Porter - SF
Wall - PG
Beal - SG

Let's go Knicks, no let down, come out with a lot of energy.
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Del Shofner : 12/3/2018 7:47 pm : link
bump
Good start  
adamg : 12/3/2018 7:52 pm : link
Kanter doing his thing on O
These jerseys are an  
Mike from SI : 12/3/2018 7:54 pm : link
abomination. At least we're playing well though haha.
Apparently lot of team inquiring about Frank  
steve in ky : 12/3/2018 7:54 pm : link
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Teams  
steve in ky : 12/3/2018 7:55 pm : link
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Should have said teams  
steve in ky : 12/3/2018 7:55 pm : link
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Can't argue the results  
bceagle05 : 12/3/2018 7:59 pm : link
but this starting lineup bores me. I barely pay attention til Knox, Trier, Dotson and Robinson start checking in.
Future Knick star Bradley Beal  
bceagle05 : 12/3/2018 8:06 pm : link
off to a nice start.
Steve  
Mike from SI : 12/3/2018 8:23 pm : link
What are the Knicks saying? And what could we realistically get back?
Knox is looking really good  
adamg : 12/3/2018 8:23 pm : link
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ESPN had an article...  
Tesla : 12/3/2018 8:30 pm : link
about where it's writers thought Durant might end up next season. Warriors were slight favorites but Knicks came in a close second.

Forecast Results
TEAM FIRST-PLACE VOTES PERCENTAGE*

Golden State Warriors 17 35.0
New York Knicks 10 26.4
Los Angeles Lakers 8 19.1
LA Clippers 3 8.5

* Weighted for first, second and third choice
ESPN - ( New Window )
RE: Steve  
steve in ky : 12/3/2018 8:34 pm : link
In comment 14204568 Mike from SI said:
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What are the Knicks saying? And what could we realistically get back?


I haven't seen anything coming from the Knicks but here are the teams being reported as expressing interest in Frank.

"The Timberwolves, Magic, Grizzlies, Nets and Suns have all inquired about the 20-year-old Knicks guard, according to multiple reports."
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RE: Knox is looking really good  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2018 8:42 pm : link
In comment 14204569 adamg said:
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looks a lot more confident
How long has Grunfeld been with the Wiz?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/3/2018 8:57 pm : link
He's been a disaster. I was listening to The Ringer's NBA Show earlier & learned that Washington hasn't won more than 50 games in a season in 40 years. That's insane. Hell, even the Knicks won 50 plus games this decade & we're a dumpster fire.
team is so much better with kanter on the bench  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2018 9:00 pm : link
3 people around him, pass the damn ball
The fuck happened at halftime?  
Giantology : 12/3/2018 9:04 pm : link
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wizards went into halftime  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2018 9:13 pm : link
and said how the hell we losing to this garbage team
good little stretch for Mudiay  
wigs in nyc : 12/3/2018 9:20 pm : link
his development alone says quite a bit about Fiz
I was thinking,  
JustaDiscussion : 12/3/2018 9:20 pm : link
as impressive and clutch as Mudiay's shooting has been in the past few wins, where is his passing? His assists numbers haven't been impressive. This team still desperately needs someone who can set everybody else up. It would help for times like now when they struggle to score.
RE: I was thinking,  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2018 9:22 pm : link
In comment 14204652 JustaDiscussion said:
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as impressive and clutch as Mudiay's shooting has been in the past few wins, where is his passing? His assists numbers haven't been impressive. This team still desperately needs someone who can set everybody else up. It would help for times like now when they struggle to score.


he did have 7 assists last game..

assists are a very overrated stat, you can make every pass but if the guy does not make the shot no assist...
Barkley there with a throwback LT jersey on  
Giantology : 12/3/2018 9:24 pm : link
What a legend
I love Dotson.  
bceagle05 : 12/3/2018 9:27 pm : link
Works his ass off on every possession.
RE: RE: I was thinking,  
JustaDiscussion : 12/3/2018 9:37 pm : link
In comment 14204654 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 14204652 JustaDiscussion said:


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as impressive and clutch as Mudiay's shooting has been in the past few wins, where is his passing? His assists numbers haven't been impressive. This team still desperately needs someone who can set everybody else up. It would help for times like now when they struggle to score.



he did have 7 assists last game..

assists are a very overrated stat, you can make every pass but if the guy does not make the shot no assist...


And isn't that his high for the season? Fiz said he was the best passer on the team, I guess that isn't saying much, but I was expecting more.
why he take dot out?  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2018 9:38 pm : link
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that is not an offensive foul  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2018 9:40 pm : link
what a joke
Could Beal and Porter  
bceagle05 : 12/3/2018 9:47 pm : link
be any more dramatic?
Wizards  
GMEN46 : 12/3/2018 9:49 pm : link
I know knicks are going to lose, but I am completely unimpressed with this wizards team. There is no chance of the wizards team is doing anything. I would much rather be in knicks position then Wizards. Wall is overrated, Beal is overrated and Porter is overrated and they are all making max bucks.
team really never gives up  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2018 9:56 pm : link
and is it me or does every star player go up to fizdale and give him a hug?
Knicks either need to trade Lee  
bceagle05 : 12/3/2018 9:58 pm : link
of have him come down with another "neck issue." It's a waste of minutes.
RE: Knicks either need to trade Lee  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2018 9:59 pm : link
In comment 14204707 bceagle05 said:
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of have him come down with another "neck issue." It's a waste of minutes.


the thing is though, if the knicks do sign a max guy, lee is a great glue guy off the bench
And the Nets lose at home to Cleveland.  
bceagle05 : 12/3/2018 10:00 pm : link
Are Marks and Atkinson still God's gifts to basketball?
RE: Knicks either need to trade Lee  
Del Shofner : 12/3/2018 10:00 pm : link
In comment 14204707 bceagle05 said:
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of have him come down with another "neck issue." It's a waste of minutes.


I dunno. It's interesting. THJr with the Knicks' worst plus/minus at -15, and Lee with the best plus/minus at +13. I agree about trading him but you have to showcase him first.
Neck issue it is then.  
bceagle05 : 12/3/2018 10:00 pm : link
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RE: Neck issue it is then.  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2018 10:02 pm : link
In comment 14204714 bceagle05 said:
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fair enough, i have been on the keep hardaway train, i would trade him, opens up 17 million to keep vonleh and maybe mudiya
Ahh I'm just annoyed he missed that layup.  
bceagle05 : 12/3/2018 10:06 pm : link
Our backcourt is such a clusterfuck right now. I couldn't even keep track of who was in the game in the fourth quarter.
dotaon is an absolute keeper  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2018 10:13 pm : link
he could be your starting 2 of the future, especially next to a max and kp..

i like vonleh next to KP down low, draymond lite..

JA Morant is my guy in the draft, hopefully his stock does not skyrocket to much
The Knicks could of had that one, missed put backs, missed layups  
GiantsUA : 12/3/2018 10:17 pm : link
offensive fouls and turnovers.
RE: dotaon is an absolute keeper  
adamg : 12/3/2018 11:10 pm : link
In comment 14204731 nygiants16 said:
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he could be your starting 2 of the future, especially next to a max and kp..

i like vonleh next to KP down low, draymond lite..

JA Morant is my guy in the draft, hopefully his stock does not skyrocket to much


Could Trier be the point?
RE: RE: dotaon is an absolute keeper  
nygiants16 : 12/3/2018 11:13 pm : link
In comment 14204777 adamg said:
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In comment 14204731 nygiants16 said:


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he could be your starting 2 of the future, especially next to a max and kp..

i like vonleh next to KP down low, draymond lite..

JA Morant is my guy in the draft, hopefully his stock does not skyrocket to much



Could Trier be the point?


i dont think he is a point guard, he is a scorer, when he creates he is looking to score not pass..
Dotson is definitely a keeper.  
bceagle05 : 12/3/2018 11:43 pm : link
He and Knox are developing a nice chemistry too, which is great to see. Dotson and Vonleh are two guys who have really taken their opportunities and run with them. Perfect complementary players on a good team.
One thing I love aboout Fis  
Vanzetti : 12/4/2018 2:07 am : link
He is not afraid to sit guys down. Frank has been absolute crap and Fis stuck him on the pine. Not a lot of coaches would dop that with a high draft pick.

Dotson and Mudiay have been much better after being benched. Let's see it if it works for Frank
Knicks finished well yesterday, but I put that more  
JustaDiscussion : 12/4/2018 7:30 am : link
on the Wizards. They went into the equivalent of a prevent defense: Run the clock down and chuck up a contested three. I'll never understand why a superior team doesn't just keep playing basketball at the end of a game.

As for the Knicks going forward, I do hope that they can find some sort of facilitator either in the draft or in free agency, but I also hold out hope that Trier and Knox can develop that ability going forward. A starting five of Trier, Dotson, Knox, KP, and Robinson in a couple of years could be fun if they all grow properly (learn to cut without the ball and pass out of double teams). Granted, the hope is that they can find more talent going forward.

Right now their offense doesn't seem to rely on a point guard at all. It seems like at least half the time, the "lead guard" dribbles the ball to half court and then immediately passes it to the big at the top of the three point line and runs to the corner. Not much facilitating going on.
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DanMetroMan : 12/4/2018 7:40 am : link
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I've seen Knox live several times but last night was the first time from basically the old media seats at MSG behind the basket.

Effortless scoring ability.

Honestly, you can watch a thousand games and not see anyone at his size with the ability to score that easily."

lol


Typical hyperbole from Tommy but Knox also has one of the more clearly "not yet a man" bodies I can recall in a while (and yes I realize his age). He's going to have to be pushed, he's clearly a laid back kid but you see the tools to be very good.
That  
DanMetroMan : 12/4/2018 7:41 am : link
missed layup by Lee was comical. "Rust"? A wide open layup? My mom could hit that.
I hope they can get trier to sign  
nygiants16 : 12/4/2018 7:49 am : link
a 4 year deal similar to robinson's deal...

I have a feeling he signs a 1 year deal and becomes a free agent and leaves..

Deadline should be coming up soon, i wonder if that is why frank rumors have started..
RE: ..  
nygiants16 : 12/4/2018 7:50 am : link
In comment 14204866 DanMetroMan said:
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Tommy Dee


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I've seen Knox live several times but last night was the first time from basically the old media seats at MSG behind the basket.

Effortless scoring ability.

Honestly, you can watch a thousand games and not see anyone at his size with the ability to score that easily."

lol


Typical hyperbole from Tommy but Knox also has one of the more clearly "not yet a man" bodies I can recall in a while (and yes I realize his age). He's going to have to be pushed, he's clearly a laid back kid but you see the tools to be very good.


This is why i do not want reddish, he has that same all the talent in the world but sometimes looks lazy type of talk about him...

Hard to have 2 of those type of guys
So the Knicks can try to ressurrect  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 12/4/2018 7:58 am : link
Vonleh, Burke, Mudiay and Hezonja careers?

Yet they want to ship off 20 year old Ntilikina?

How about Fizdale actually deploying some sort of offense and see if Frank can excel in that. Having Frank just stand in the corner while watching Burke or Zo dribble the air out of the ball does shit for Frank and his development.
RE: I hope they can get trier to sign  
Mike in NJ : 12/4/2018 8:18 am : link
In comment 14204875 nygiants16 said:
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a 4 year deal similar to robinson's deal...

I have a feeling he signs a 1 year deal and becomes a free agent and leaves..

Deadline should be coming up soon, i wonder if that is why frank rumors have started..


I dont think they are letting Trier go, it should only cost around $3 mil a year to keep him. He has too much potential to let him go for such a small amount of money.
RE: RE: I hope they can get trier to sign  
nygiants16 : 12/4/2018 8:39 am : link
In comment 14204916 Mike in NJ said:
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In comment 14204875 nygiants16 said:


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a 4 year deal similar to robinson's deal...

I have a feeling he signs a 1 year deal and becomes a free agent and leaves..

Deadline should be coming up soon, i wonder if that is why frank rumors have started..



I dont think they are letting Trier go, it should only cost around $3 mil a year to keep him. He has too much potential to let him go for such a small amount of money.


i am not saying it will be knicks choice
RE: So the Knicks can try to ressurrect  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/4/2018 9:04 am : link
In comment 14204886 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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Vonleh, Burke, Mudiay and Hezonja careers?

Yet they want to ship off 20 year old Ntilikina?

How about Fizdale actually deploying some sort of offense and see if Frank can excel in that. Having Frank just stand in the corner while watching Burke or Zo dribble the air out of the ball does shit for Frank and his development.



Fizdale has an offense. It's a lot more likely that Frank just isn't a good offensive player. He's not aggressive or decisive enough, and that has to apparently be constantly dragged out of him.
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