How about Fizdale actually deploying some sort of offense and see if Frank can excel in that. Having Frank just stand in the corner while watching Burke or Zo dribble the air out of the ball does shit for Frank and his development.
Fizdale has an offense. It's a lot more likely that Frank just isn't a good offensive player. He's not aggressive or decisive enough, and that has to apparently be constantly dragged out of him.
He has an offense? What is it? Swing the ball around the perimeter? ISO? No offball movement. Only Mario and Dotson are the only two players interested in cutting. Can't tell you how many times I've seen Kanter get the ball at the TOP of the key.
There is no offense yet. I don't know if he is just doing extended try outs to see who can do what. But his offense is a joke aside from the occasional pick and roll at the top of the key.
How about Fizdale actually deploying some sort of offense and see if Frank can excel in that. Having Frank just stand in the corner while watching Burke or Zo dribble the air out of the ball does shit for Frank and his development.
Fizdale has an offense. It's a lot more likely that Frank just isn't a good offensive player. He's not aggressive or decisive enough, and that has to apparently be constantly dragged out of him.
He has an offense? What is it? Swing the ball around the perimeter? ISO? No offball movement. Only Mario and Dotson are the only two players interested in cutting. Can't tell you how many times I've seen Kanter get the ball at the TOP of the key.
There is no offense yet. I don't know if he is just doing extended try outs to see who can do what. But his offense is a joke aside from the occasional pick and roll at the top of the key.
Why are you making about the coach that players aren't moving without the ball? You think that's by coaching design? You really think the coach wants "stand in the corner and watch what happens"?
sucks. I'm sorry. Trier's awful game or not I think very high odds he's as good a player as Hardaway for 1/100th the cost. Last night Hardaway 0 rebounds, -15 in 30 minutes. For a "scorer" the guy has an unusual amount of shooting slumps. I know he shot well last night but last 5 34% from the field including last night and 3 of those games combined 2 rebounds... over 95 minutes!!
sucks. I'm sorry. Trier's awful game or not I think very high odds he's as good a player as Hardaway for 1/100th the cost. Last night Hardaway 0 rebounds, -15 in 30 minutes. For a "scorer" the guy has an unusual amount of shooting slumps. I know he shot well last night but last 5 34% from the field including last night and 3 of those games combined 2 rebounds... over 95 minutes!!
yeah i have been sayimg keep him as 3rd guy but right now id rather have dot and trier as shooting guards for the future..
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Why are you making about the coach that players aren't moving without the ball? You think that's by coaching design? You really think the coach wants "stand in the corner and watch what happens"?
Lol. Fizdale has no problem benching players who aren't performing. Yet he won't hold accountable zero offball movement?
What offense are you seeing that I'm missing? It's a bunch of freelancing out there and heavy ISO plays. That's his offense right now.
Knicks had trouble with the double team last night, took the air out
Why are you making about the coach that players aren't moving without the ball? You think that's by coaching design? You really think the coach wants "stand in the corner and watch what happens"?
And why am I making it about the coach? Umm because it's the coaches job maybe to have these guys running an offense?
in the season, I said he wouldn't be able to sustain it, and look where we are now: 40% overall, 36% on threes. Exactly the same player he's always been.
We've uncovered a couple of gems in Trier and Dotson, and we may lose one or both of them because of Timmy and his $18 million salary. Makes me want to strangle Steve Mills.
seem pretty well defined - Phoenix, Atlanta, Chicago, Cleveland, Nets and Knicks. Hard to see us falling past #6 in the pecking order. May the lottery gods smile upon us.
I see a lot of people outside of this board wanting Zion from Duke. For those who watched Duke this year (I've only seen a few minutes) how does he look? Good fit?
I see a lot of people outside of this board wanting Zion from Duke. For those who watched Duke this year (I've only seen a few minutes) how does he look? Good fit?
He's far more skilled than he was billed coming into college. Great passer, great feel for the game. Average shooter at best. I also think he should drop down to probably 260 or so instead of 285 just to survive the wear and tear of a season.
But he's an absolute athletic freak. Reminds me of a Baby Barkley.
He gets compared to Barkley, but he's more explosive yet less skilled. If he ever develops a shot, he could be a true superstar, but I think his floor is pretty high regardless.
think a trade for Frank is more likely than not. Whether Mudiay is a long-term solution remains to be seen, but his play this year has been encouraging. Couple that with the lack of playing time for Frank and the fact that he was not a Perry pick and I have to think Frank may be on the move soon. Given the reported interest, I can't see how we can't get a first rounder+ for him.
sucks. I'm sorry. Trier's awful game or not I think very high odds he's as good a player as Hardaway for 1/100th the cost. Last night Hardaway 0 rebounds, -15 in 30 minutes. For a "scorer" the guy has an unusual amount of shooting slumps. I know he shot well last night but last 5 34% from the field including last night and 3 of those games combined 2 rebounds... over 95 minutes!!
yeah i have been sayimg keep him as 3rd guy but right now id rather have dot and trier as shooting guards for the future..
think a trade for Frank is more likely than not. Whether Mudiay is a long-term solution remains to be seen, but his play this year has been encouraging. Couple that with the lack of playing time for Frank and the fact that he was not a Perry pick and I have to think Frank may be on the move soon. Given the reported interest, I can't see how we can't get a first rounder+ for him.
plus they have to opena roster spot soon for trier
He's shown some ability to score but he's all about his own shot and his defense sucks. I'd trade him or just let him walk after the season. I'd still do whatever they can to move Hardway and try to lock up Vonleh. I think Fizdale eventually puts Frank back in the rotation - similar to what he did with Dotson.
According to a report by Marc Berman in the New York Post, "some in the league believe the Knicks are stocking up their young assets and will make a major play for John Wall if he becomes available."
Although seemingly quite far-fetched, Berman writes that the "it would have to be a three-team deal with the Knicks throwing in Ntilikina, Dotson, Courtney Lee (for cap purposes), a 2020 first-round and second-round pick." We'll see if any other plugged-in league sources corroborate any conversations between New York and Washington.
The Wizards came out from halftime and said we cannot lose to THIS team. They were quite determined and Wall was leading them. Actually, it looked like Wall became slightly agitated right before halftime and took his game to the next level. As I'm watching him, I'm thinking....if he played like this all the time, I'd love him on the Knicks! Thoughts on the Knicks going after Wall?
and should be a great NBA player, it's just a matter of how great. No chance the Knicks have a shot at him though. I think the Knicks will be closer to the last playoff spot than the 1st overall pick to be honest.
Wall's contract. He's good but not good enough to justify those dollars. All the reasons the Wizards are looking to trade him are reasons not to acquire him.
is that he doesn't play determined night in and night out like he did before the massive payday, IMO. Its a major risk, but the reward that he becomes that guy again in a different situation is enticing.
Yes it is. He has a trade kicker too, so we'll be paying him about $50 million per season. I'm very open to exploring the trade market, but not for John Wall.
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think a trade for Frank is more likely than not. Whether Mudiay is a long-term solution remains to be seen, but his play this year has been encouraging. Couple that with the lack of playing time for Frank and the fact that he was not a Perry pick and I have to think Frank may be on the move soon. Given the reported interest, I can't see how we can't get a first rounder+ for him.
I almost think the opposite, only because Mudiay's value will never be higher and Frank's will never be lower.
Maybe Mudiay still has no trade value, or it's less than Frank's. If that's the case, it should tell them something.
He's far more skilled than he was billed coming into college. Great passer, great feel for the game. Average shooter at best. I also think he should drop down to probably 260 or so instead of 285 just to survive the wear and tear of a season.
But he's an absolute athletic freak. Reminds me of a Baby Barkley.
Ah thanks. I'm gonna have to watch a couple of Duke games then. Sounds very intriguing.
Shouldn't it be the Wizards giving up the picks in order to get off of that horrible contract? If the Knicks made that trade I'd stop watching like I did in the 2000s.
I was just reading from sources hat no one has any interest in wall and that he is untradable. There is no way knicks should be giving up that much. I would send hardaway and Lee to the wizards as part of a three team where he other team gets wall and we get expirings. Other than hat no thanks
You cannot trade for Wall with that contract. Maybe if they are sweetening the deal with picks and taking back THJ and Lee, but even then I would be reluctant. With his trade kicker you are paying him close to 50 million a year- almost half the salary cap!
And to be honest he just doesn't look like a guy who takes care of himself. Body doesn't look in top shape and honestly he looked tired in his face last night. Doesn't exactly look like a spry 28 year old and hasn't apologized for his partying ways. Nothing wrong with that, but would definitely worry me if I'm paying him close to 200 million the next 4 seasons...
Knicks need to find a team desperate to win this season and try to move Hardaway. Same thing for Lee but to a lesser extent. Teams I would target-
Pelicans- tough to make the salaries work. Would probably have to include Randle.
Kings- don't own their pick and have the expirings.
Grizzlies- have the expirings and he fits well there.
Cavs- use the the Jr Smith and Hill contracts but would probably have to involved a 3rd team...
Kemba for Hardaway, Frank, top 5 protected first in 2020. Who says no?
Probably the Hornets but I like the thinking behind this trade. Clears up 23 million this offseason while allowing Knicks to resign Walker using his bird rights - cap hold is only 18 million.
It will drastically improve the Knicks this year and he probably drags them to a playoff spot. It all depends on how they view the offseason. If this helps them sign Durant, then its a no brainer. But it also knocks them out of contention for a top pick.
I love Kemba though and my dream offseason is him and Durant on the Knicks...
Kemba for Hardaway, Frank, top 5 protected first in 2020. Who says no?
Probably the Hornets but I like the thinking behind this trade. Clears up 23 million this offseason while allowing Knicks to resign Walker using his bird rights - cap hold is only 18 million.
It will drastically improve the Knicks this year and he probably drags them to a playoff spot. It all depends on how they view the offseason. If this helps them sign Durant, then its a no brainer. But it also knocks them out of contention for a top pick.
I love Kemba though and my dream offseason is him and Durant on the Knicks...
Even if you miss on Kemba and say end up with Kris Middleton as a backup option.
Kemba-Kris-Knox-KP-Mitchell
1st rounder (Cam Reddish as a filler)
Dotson
Mudiay
Vonleh
as a bench.
That's a pretty damn good team if one of Knox/Reddish can become a legit 2nd/3rd option.
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Vonleh, Burke, Mudiay and Hezonja careers?
Yet they want to ship off 20 year old Ntilikina?
How about Fizdale actually deploying some sort of offense and see if Frank can excel in that. Having Frank just stand in the corner while watching Burke or Zo dribble the air out of the ball does shit for Frank and his development.
Fizdale has an offense. It's a lot more likely that Frank just isn't a good offensive player. He's not aggressive or decisive enough, and that has to apparently be constantly dragged out of him.
He has an offense? What is it? Swing the ball around the perimeter? ISO? No offball movement. Only Mario and Dotson are the only two players interested in cutting. Can't tell you how many times I've seen Kanter get the ball at the TOP of the key.
There is no offense yet. I don't know if he is just doing extended try outs to see who can do what. But his offense is a joke aside from the occasional pick and roll at the top of the key.
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Vonleh, Burke, Mudiay and Hezonja careers?
Yet they want to ship off 20 year old Ntilikina?
How about Fizdale actually deploying some sort of offense and see if Frank can excel in that. Having Frank just stand in the corner while watching Burke or Zo dribble the air out of the ball does shit for Frank and his development.
Fizdale has an offense. It's a lot more likely that Frank just isn't a good offensive player. He's not aggressive or decisive enough, and that has to apparently be constantly dragged out of him.
He has an offense? What is it? Swing the ball around the perimeter? ISO? No offball movement. Only Mario and Dotson are the only two players interested in cutting. Can't tell you how many times I've seen Kanter get the ball at the TOP of the key.
There is no offense yet. I don't know if he is just doing extended try outs to see who can do what. But his offense is a joke aside from the occasional pick and roll at the top of the key.
Why are you making about the coach that players aren't moving without the ball? You think that's by coaching design? You really think the coach wants "stand in the corner and watch what happens"?
yeah i have been sayimg keep him as 3rd guy but right now id rather have dot and trier as shooting guards for the future..
Why are you making about the coach that players aren't moving without the ball? You think that's by coaching design? You really think the coach wants "stand in the corner and watch what happens"?
Lol. Fizdale has no problem benching players who aren't performing. Yet he won't hold accountable zero offball movement?
What offense are you seeing that I'm missing? It's a bunch of freelancing out there and heavy ISO plays. That's his offense right now.
I hope they are working on that in practice.
When two defensive players collapse on a player above the three point line, offense needs to spread out and someone has to be open? right?
Why are you making about the coach that players aren't moving without the ball? You think that's by coaching design? You really think the coach wants "stand in the corner and watch what happens"?
And why am I making it about the coach? Umm because it's the coaches job maybe to have these guys running an offense?
Ah well.....tank away, let's get another top young talent and hope for the best.
He's far more skilled than he was billed coming into college. Great passer, great feel for the game. Average shooter at best. I also think he should drop down to probably 260 or so instead of 285 just to survive the wear and tear of a season.
But he's an absolute athletic freak. Reminds me of a Baby Barkley.
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sucks. I'm sorry. Trier's awful game or not I think very high odds he's as good a player as Hardaway for 1/100th the cost. Last night Hardaway 0 rebounds, -15 in 30 minutes. For a "scorer" the guy has an unusual amount of shooting slumps. I know he shot well last night but last 5 34% from the field including last night and 3 of those games combined 2 rebounds... over 95 minutes!!
yeah i have been sayimg keep him as 3rd guy but right now id rather have dot and trier as shooting guards for the future..
Welcome to the Darkside :)
Ah well.....tank away, let's get another top young talent and hope for the best.
Mills was trying to inflate the contract so that the Hawks wouldn't match it. Simple as that. He overpaid and he knew it.
plus they have to opena roster spot soon for trier
According to a report by Marc Berman in the New York Post, "some in the league believe the Knicks are stocking up their young assets and will make a major play for John Wall if he becomes available."
Although seemingly quite far-fetched, Berman writes that the "it would have to be a three-team deal with the Knicks throwing in Ntilikina, Dotson, Courtney Lee (for cap purposes), a 2020 first-round and second-round pick." We'll see if any other plugged-in league sources corroborate any conversations between New York and Washington.
Yes it is. He has a trade kicker too, so we'll be paying him about $50 million per season. I'm very open to exploring the trade market, but not for John Wall.
I almost think the opposite, only because Mudiay's value will never be higher and Frank's will never be lower.
Maybe Mudiay still has no trade value, or it's less than Frank's. If that's the case, it should tell them something.
He's far more skilled than he was billed coming into college. Great passer, great feel for the game. Average shooter at best. I also think he should drop down to probably 260 or so instead of 285 just to survive the wear and tear of a season.
But he's an absolute athletic freak. Reminds me of a Baby Barkley.
Ah thanks. I'm gonna have to watch a couple of Duke games then. Sounds very intriguing.
you still hVe close to max money to add a 3rd guy or use that money to fill out roster and keep vonleh...
plus you keep knox and this years pick..
part of the problem for wall and beal is they both want to create..
Seems to be a cancer in the lockeroom.
His extension will pay him 37, 40, 43, and then 46m at the age of 32.
Already has had knee injuries. No thanks.
Haha, so true. Isiah would probably trade Knox, Trier and a bunch of other assets to get Wall.
And to be honest he just doesn't look like a guy who takes care of himself. Body doesn't look in top shape and honestly he looked tired in his face last night. Doesn't exactly look like a spry 28 year old and hasn't apologized for his partying ways. Nothing wrong with that, but would definitely worry me if I'm paying him close to 200 million the next 4 seasons...
Knicks need to find a team desperate to win this season and try to move Hardaway. Same thing for Lee but to a lesser extent. Teams I would target-
Pelicans- tough to make the salaries work. Would probably have to include Randle.
Kings- don't own their pick and have the expirings.
Grizzlies- have the expirings and he fits well there.
Cavs- use the the Jr Smith and Hill contracts but would probably have to involved a 3rd team...
I was just thinking that if this were to have any legs, it would have Dolan's paw prints all over it...
Probably the Hornets but I like the thinking behind this trade. Clears up 23 million this offseason while allowing Knicks to resign Walker using his bird rights - cap hold is only 18 million.
It will drastically improve the Knicks this year and he probably drags them to a playoff spot. It all depends on how they view the offseason. If this helps them sign Durant, then its a no brainer. But it also knocks them out of contention for a top pick.
I love Kemba though and my dream offseason is him and Durant on the Knicks...
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Kemba for Hardaway, Frank, top 5 protected first in 2020. Who says no?
Probably the Hornets but I like the thinking behind this trade. Clears up 23 million this offseason while allowing Knicks to resign Walker using his bird rights - cap hold is only 18 million.
It will drastically improve the Knicks this year and he probably drags them to a playoff spot. It all depends on how they view the offseason. If this helps them sign Durant, then its a no brainer. But it also knocks them out of contention for a top pick.
I love Kemba though and my dream offseason is him and Durant on the Knicks...
Even if you miss on Kemba and say end up with Kris Middleton as a backup option.
Kemba-Kris-Knox-KP-Mitchell
1st rounder (Cam Reddish as a filler)
Dotson
Mudiay
Vonleh
as a bench.
That's a pretty damn good team if one of Knox/Reddish can become a legit 2nd/3rd option.
Hardaway is underwater money and Frank like a possible bust. The 2020 pick could be in the 20s if the Knicks have Walker/Durant/Walker.
I think Hornets do everything they can to keep Walker, but if they decide to move him IMO they could do a lot better.