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Anakim : 12/4/2018 2:09 pm
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#Giants S Landon Collins suffered a shoulder injury in Sundayís overtime win and is out this week, sources say. The team will continue to evaluate this ailment going forward.
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It will  
mittenedman : 12/4/2018 2:47 pm : link
be interesting to see how this affects the D.
hopefully  
Giants : 12/4/2018 2:53 pm : link
now someone with coverage skills can get to play
RE: Probably hurt it  
Rjanyg : 12/4/2018 2:55 pm : link
In comment 14205453 jeff57 said:
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Waving at Tarik Cohen.


Good one
Collins really sets up to be franchised. What is the price?  
Ivan15 : 12/4/2018 2:58 pm : link
Collins really does not cover well, can't play two-deep safety, and would be better off at LB.

Also, if he needs more time to get comfortable in this defense, franchising makes sense.
"Washington team"  
Giants in 07 : 12/4/2018 3:00 pm : link
RE: Collins really sets up to be franchised. What is the price?  
nyjuggernaut2 : 12/4/2018 3:05 pm : link
In comment 14205509 Ivan15 said:
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Collins really does not cover well, can't play two-deep safety, and would be better off at LB.

Also, if he needs more time to get comfortable in this defense, franchising makes sense.


I wonder if the Giants should consider moving him to LB, like the Rams did with Mark Barron.
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Anakim : 12/4/2018 3:21 pm : link
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Adding to @RapSheet on #Giants S Landon Collins (shoulder): Surgery is a reasonable possibility with his injury, source says. We might have seen the last of him this year and, with free agency on deck, maybe his last game with NYG. Long way to go before March, though.
RE: RE: Collins really sets up to be franchised. What is the price?  
jlukes : 12/4/2018 3:31 pm : link
In comment 14205517 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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Collins really does not cover well, can't play two-deep safety, and would be better off at LB.

Also, if he needs more time to get comfortable in this defense, franchising makes sense.



I wonder if the Giants should consider moving him to LB, like the Rams did with Mark Barron.


Your how James Betcher converted Deon Buchanon to LB when Betcher was with the Cardinals
Link - ( New Window )
that's what happens when you  
SHO'NUFF : 12/4/2018 3:32 pm : link
consistently throw your shoulder into people as a weak attempt at tackling someone.
He may actually set his price by NOT playing  
Ben in Tampa : 12/4/2018 4:03 pm : link
If the team gets similar production from the position the rest of the year with a negligible impact of the defense, the Giants may be more willing to let him walk.

If the entire secondary goes to shit while heís out, they be more inclined to keep him.
RE: Michael Thomas  
Dinger : 12/4/2018 4:09 pm : link
In comment 14205462 Kyle in NY said:
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has been a pleasant surprise. Knew he was a good special teams player, but he's flashed defensively at times. He's a suitable fill-in


Was Thomas the one who had the ball thrown directly to him and still dropped it? Not being sarcastic, seriously asking.
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K-Gun? Pop-Gun : 12/4/2018 4:14 pm : link
In comment 14205512 Giants in 07 said:
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Go ahead, call an indigenous person a Ďredskiní to their face.
I know itís hard to climb out of the 1930s.
RE: RE: Michael Thomas  
ArizonaBlue : 12/4/2018 4:14 pm : link
In comment 14205645 Dinger said:
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has been a pleasant surprise. Knew he was a good special teams player, but he's flashed defensively at times. He's a suitable fill-in



Was Thomas the one who had the ball thrown directly to him and still dropped it? Not being sarcastic, seriously asking.


That was Riley, I believe
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section125 : 12/4/2018 4:46 pm : link
In comment 14205656 K-Gun? Pop-Gun said:
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Go ahead, call an indigenous person a Ďredskiní to their face.
I know itís hard to climb out of the 1930s.


Is your dick bigger too?
RE: you mean our LB Collins  
mrvax : 12/4/2018 4:53 pm : link
In comment 14205493 NYG007 said:
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because he sure as hell can't cover anyone. 14m per, yeah right. Bwahaha


I'd offer $8M per, take it or leave it.
Ogletree saved Collins  
Doomster : 12/4/2018 5:01 pm : link
with his second int.....Collin's guy was going to score a td....

I think Collins is gone....coverage skills just don't warrant what he will want....
The teamsí name is the Redskins ...  
Spider56 : 12/4/2018 5:10 pm : link
Stick the PC BS.
well at least  
giantsFC : 12/4/2018 5:32 pm : link
Us BBI armchair GM's can now see if he has any impact at all on the defense and worth a contract...
RE: The teamsí name is the Redskins ...  
giantsFC : 12/4/2018 5:33 pm : link
In comment 14205749 Spider56 said:
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Stick the PC BS.


Obviously you aren't Native decent.
RE: The teamsí name is the Redskins ...  
jeff57 : 12/4/2018 5:38 pm : link
In comment 14205749 Spider56 said:
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Stick the PC BS.


You want to use that, use it. People who donít want to are free not to use it.
Cant believe people are bitching  
micky : 12/4/2018 5:45 pm : link
About the way the op said their name..holy hell racists or whatever
RE: RE: The teamsí name is the Redskins ...  
Brown Recluse : 12/4/2018 6:25 pm : link
In comment 14205769 giantsFC said:
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Stick the PC BS.



Obviously you aren't Native decent.


The truth is most of them dont give a shit about the Redskins team name. Thry have more important real life things to worry about, unlike white people who spend their day thinking up with new ways to feel guilry about being white.
Idiocy of the refusal to use the word Redskins aside...  
ThatLimerickGuy : 12/4/2018 6:27 pm : link
I would estimate that Landon Collins has probably cost himself over 20 million dollars on his next contract with his play this year.

He went from an up and coming superstar to an in the box safety who can't cover a thing.
We can't complain  
DavidinBMNY : 12/4/2018 6:30 pm : link
Yes we're missing a Captain and starter and or LBers are very banged up and starting center our for year.

It's that time of year. Washington is down 2 qbs, their top RB, and multiple OL starters.

The 2 QBs on the Washington roster on Sunday were both of the league for at least part of this year, and I don't even know who they will sign.
RE: RE: RE: The teamsí name is the Redskins ...  
K-Gun? Pop-Gun : 12/4/2018 6:35 pm : link
In comment 14205845 Brown Recluse said:
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Stick the PC BS.



Obviously you aren't Native decent.



The truth is most of them dont give a shit about the Redskins team name. Thry have more important real life things to worry about, unlike white people who spend their day thinking up with new ways to feel guilry about being white.


Some of us can walk AND chew gum at the same time.
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ThatLimerickGuy : 12/4/2018 7:39 pm : link
In comment 14205861 K-Gun? Pop-Gun said:
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Stick the PC BS.



Obviously you aren't Native decent.



The truth is most of them dont give a shit about the Redskins team name. Thry have more important real life things to worry about, unlike white people who spend their day thinking up with new ways to feel guilry about being white.



Some of us can walk AND chew gum at the same time.


And some of us can walk and not patronize an entire group of people with faux unnecessary outrage.
Collins people bash him for his lack of coverage skills  
Bluesbreaker : 12/4/2018 7:39 pm : link
Yet when we were getting a serious pass rush not so much
sure he got burned here and there but he is a solid
player that as of now is he is tied for 11th with 96 total tackles as a Safety out of the top 20 leaders only 3 are
Safeties Antoine Bethea has 97 Jamal Adams has 88
He is one of the best Strong Safeties in Football .
Right now I would say Jamal Adams is the best in the NFL
Although Derwin James is right up there as well .
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Anakim : 12/4/2018 8:44 pm : link
In comment 14205845 Brown Recluse said:
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Stick the PC BS.



Obviously you aren't Native decent.



The truth is most of them dont give a shit about the Redskins team name. Thry have more important real life things to worry about, unlike white people who spend their day thinking up with new ways to feel guilry about being white.

At least 6800+ ACTUAL NATIVE AMERICANS disagree with you - ( New Window )
How can he be one of the best  
Doomster : 12/4/2018 9:08 pm : link
if he can't cover anyone?

He has a lot of tackles? Sure, and a lot of them are downfield....

Collins makes plays, but when he doesn't make them, they cancel out the good ones... like stopping a 38 year old qb at the goal line.... how many missed tackles has he had?.......how many times has he taken himself out of position to make a play?

And now, the last two seasons he has been injured....

He has played four years, with only one where he played well.....

Do you pay him big bucks? Is he part of the Giant's future going forward? Just one of many hard decisions that needs to be made this off season....
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BestFeature : 12/4/2018 9:14 pm : link
In comment 14205963 Anakim said:
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Stick the PC BS.



Obviously you aren't Native decent.



The truth is most of them dont give a shit about the Redskins team name. Thry have more important real life things to worry about, unlike white people who spend their day thinking up with new ways to feel guilry about being white.

At least 6800+ ACTUAL NATIVE AMERICANS disagree with you - ( New Window )


For some reference, there are over 3 million Native Americans in the United States.

I have a former co-worker who is from Oklahoma but is pretty damn liberal. She calls Native Americans Indians. Why? Because she knows a ton of Native Americans and that's what they call each other. But of course, ignorant people correct her all of the time. It's no secret that often white people are the most outraged on behalf of certain groups that they're not.
For some reference=for some perspective  
BestFeature : 12/4/2018 9:15 pm : link
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RE: Anak-  
BigBlueinDE : 12/4/2018 9:19 pm : link
In comment 14205446 Sean said:
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Why not just say Washington?

Landon Collins will miss the game against Washington.



Political correctness.
Would be nice to have this guy this week who apparently was not good  
NYDCBlue : 12/5/2018 12:43 am : link
enough to play for the NY Football Giants...
http://www.nfl.com/player/andrewadams/2556456/profile

Our guy, Riley can't catch a cold.
How has  
K-Gun? Pop-Gun : 12/5/2018 5:57 am : link
Collinsí role changed since his pro bowl year?
Has thereís been a drop off due to (undisclosed) injury?

And finally, decolonize your minds, people.
Rong's PFT's linked article thread was deleted re: Shoulder Surgery.  
Diver_Down : 12/5/2018 8:26 am : link
I was replying when it was deleted so I'll add my comments here. The PFT article is https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/12/05/landon-collins-may-need-shoulder-surgery/

There is an interesting point made in the article that is just maybe a nuance. But the x-rays were negative, but Collins is choosing to have the surgery. Is it the team suggesting surgery? Is it a second opinion suggesting the surgery?

Perhaps, he and his agent haven't had discussions with the Giants on Collins' future contract. If a surgery is needed and the recovery time is 8 weeks, getting the surgery now would ensure that he is fully healthy to pass a physical in FA. If he can't pass a physical in March, then he potentially misses out on the first wave of FA when the big money is available.
Get well soon Landon  
trueblueinpw : 12/5/2018 9:08 am : link
Iím interested to see the D without him. Iíve been down on Collins because heís been a serious liability as a pass defender and D-cos have obviously scheming to get him in coverage for two seasons and he hasnít managed to improve. But Iíve also been saying he isnít really the force in the run game that heís credited as being. No ill will for Collins, but Iím not sure the defense wonít be better without him. Maybe thatís a crazy statement; I guess weíll see.
And here we go again  
Joey in VA : 12/5/2018 9:09 am : link
The you're a sissy if you don't use Redskins vs the I don't want to offend crowd. Here is the deal, it doesn't matter what Indians or Native Americans want to be called, I usually use a person's name but hey that's just me. I don't like the term because it was a racist hate filled term on bounties and kill orders issued by our own government. I'm not worried if it offends or doesn't because you don't get to choose how other people feel and you don't get to tell anyone how to do or say anything either. You can dislike it but you have no real standing to vehemently object either way. I think it's s disgusting word and I don't like it. I don't need to poll the Soiux or Seminoles to decide what I think sucks. I will use it to refer to those shitheads in Washington occasionally but I really don't like to. If that makes me some PC pussy to some of you, so be it. It's a disgusting word with a vile history and I simply cannot ignore that.
RE: RE: RE: The teamsí name is the Redskins ...  
Bill L : 12/5/2018 9:11 am : link
In comment 14205845 Brown Recluse said:
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Stick the PC BS.



Obviously you aren't Native decent.



The truth is most of them dont give a shit about the Redskins team name. Thry have more important real life things to worry about, unlike white people who spend their day thinking up with new ways to feel guilry about being white.


I don't know. Like everyone else, I'm 1/1052 Indian and when I attend the meetings, I find that there are lots of offended people.
Its not the Washington team.  
Tark10 : 12/5/2018 9:20 am : link
REDSKINS...REDSKINS....REDSKINS! Can we please put this politically correct bullshit to rest permanently.
RE: Its not the Washington team.  
Bill L : 12/5/2018 9:25 am : link
In comment 14206258 Tark10 said:
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REDSKINS...REDSKINS....REDSKINS! Can we please put this politically correct bullshit to rest permanently.


The name is what the name is. And, until it gets changed (I assume that it eventually) will, we should not be afraid to use it.

*However*, as much as I join you in abhorrence of political correctness, the essence of political correctness is to authoritatively dictate speech, either through forced word usage or prohibition/censorship.

Isn't that what your own post is doing? Are you not forcing people to use a word that, of their own free will, they would not choose to use?
RE: And here we go again  
ThatLimerickGuy : 12/5/2018 9:33 am : link
In comment 14206243 Joey in VA said:
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You can dislike it but you have no real standing to vehemently object either way.


BBI at it's finest.

Says you have no standing to vehemently object IMMEDIATELY before literally vehemently objecting.
i wonder how many of the free speech warriors  
japanhead : 12/5/2018 10:16 am : link
on this thread have been brainwashed by the anti-social justice warrior industry and are just regurgitating the talking points of internet dork heros like mike cernovich, jordan peterson, ben shapiro, dave rubin, sean hannity, tucker carlson et al.

tark10, i'm looking at you..

i love the redskins colors and they're generally the team in the division that i hate the least (despite their dick owner).. that said, as far as i know, they're the only sports franchise whose team name is an actual racial slur/epithet. i don't really care, but it's definitely a dubious distinction, and it's fun to shit on them for it.
RE: Its not the Washington team.  
x meadowlander : 12/5/2018 10:44 am : link
In comment 14206258 Tark10 said:
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REDSKINS...REDSKINS....REDSKINS! Can we please put this politically correct bullshit to rest permanently.
Cause ignorance is bliss, and fun! Genocide, schmenocide!
RE: You mean the Redskins?  
Mdgiantsfan : 12/5/2018 11:08 am : link
In comment 14205441 MattyKid said:
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Itís the Foreskins! Nothing more nothing less!
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Anakim : 12/5/2018 11:23 am : link
In comment 14205976 BestFeature said:
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Stick the PC BS.



Obviously you aren't Native decent.



The truth is most of them dont give a shit about the Redskins team name. Thry have more important real life things to worry about, unlike white people who spend their day thinking up with new ways to feel guilry about being white.

At least 6800+ ACTUAL NATIVE AMERICANS disagree with you - ( New Window )



For some reference, there are over 3 million Native Americans in the United States.

I have a former co-worker who is from Oklahoma but is pretty damn liberal. She calls Native Americans Indians. Why? Because she knows a ton of Native Americans and that's what they call each other. But of course, ignorant people correct her all of the time. It's no secret that often white people are the most outraged on behalf of certain groups that they're not.


Yeah, the ones who signed actually KNEW about the petition. It's not limited to just 6800...

"American Indian" has been widely accepted by the Native American community. Redskins hasn't and never will and it's not difficult to figure out why. It's akin to calling someone Blackskin compared to African-American.
Having surgery  
jeff57 : 12/5/2018 11:23 am : link
Out for the year
RE: And here we go again  
Anakim : 12/5/2018 11:27 am : link
In comment 14206243 Joey in VA said:
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The you're a sissy if you don't use Redskins vs the I don't want to offend crowd. Here is the deal, it doesn't matter what Indians or Native Americans want to be called, I usually use a person's name but hey that's just me. I don't like the term because it was a racist hate filled term on bounties and kill orders issued by our own government. I'm not worried if it offends or doesn't because you don't get to choose how other people feel and you don't get to tell anyone how to do or say anything either. You can dislike it but you have no real standing to vehemently object either way. I think it's s disgusting word and I don't like it. I don't need to poll the Soiux or Seminoles to decide what I think sucks. I will use it to refer to those shitheads in Washington occasionally but I really don't like to. If that makes me some PC pussy to some of you, so be it. It's a disgusting word with a vile history and I simply cannot ignore that.


While it's stupid to be more offended by something than the actual afflicted party, it's my way of standing with the Native American community, which widely condemns and abhors that nickname.

So yeah, if I was more offended by that nickname than actual Native Americans, that would be pathetic of me. But I'm not going to ever use it BECAUSE so many people are hurt by it.
Anakim and me on the same side  
jeff57 : 12/5/2018 11:29 am : link
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RE: Its not the Washington team.  
Anakim : 12/5/2018 11:30 am : link
In comment 14206258 Tark10 said:
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REDSKINS...REDSKINS....REDSKINS! Can we please put this politically correct bullshit to rest permanently.


I usually hate political correctness because most of it is frivolous. Like banning "Walk like an Egyptian" or Steve Martin's "King Tut" or "Blazing Saddles".

This is different. This is a DIRECT offense to Native Americans. Look at the fucking name. Would you be okay with a team called the Whiteskins? Blackskins? Brownskins?
When do the Pittsburgh Palefaces come to town  
jeff57 : 12/5/2018 11:32 am : link
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