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What is the Giants biggest area of need?

since1925 : 12/4/2018 3:34 pm
I used to think it was offensive line. But the line has improved with Brown and Wheeler, it is still an area of need but it's not #1 right now. Plus, Barkley has also helped the offensive line a lot. Opposing DL and LBs have to play the Giants honestly and respect the run, that gives the OL a bit of the edge. Yes, it must be improved but it has climbed to adequate.

A high end DE or LB that can get to the passer would make the biggest difference. Such a player would have the have the ancillary effect of improving the secondary. If we had a ten sack guy that offenses had to worry about, we could of won enough games to make the playoffs.

I know a lot of BBIers obsess about QB. But Eli is playing pretty well, he's putting up numbers that compare with his best years. If an elite prospect falls in our lap, great. If not, we shouldn't go chasing mirages.

So, biggest needs, #1 elite pass rusher, #2 offensive line help probably a center or tackle.
Don't fool yourself  
SHO'NUFF : 12/4/2018 3:39 pm : link
OL, OL, OL...specifically, Center and Right Tackle. Especially, Center.

then DL,DL,LB,DB

Outside of OL, we're good on offense. I like Latimer and Coleman as depth. Gallman is a good backup. Perkins, if he comes back healthy.
IMO, still RT  
jcn56 : 12/4/2018 3:40 pm : link
Brown is a FA and who knows how much he's going to want, and he's not that great.

Given where the Giants are likely to pick, the best available OT or pass rusher is probably the way to go.
It's certainly open for debate...  
BamaBlue : 12/4/2018 3:41 pm : link
both OL and DL are sub-standard and need to be upgraded. Taking Eli out of the equation, I still think the OL is the bigger need. The OL is doing 'better', but still lacks starting talent on the right side and lacks any credible back-up. The OL is one injury away from a complete reversal of fortune. They go immediately from mediocre to awful much more quickly than the DL.

It seems to be more difficult to find OL than it does to find quality on the DL. The Giants have been putting a lot of emphasis on the OL and gotten next to nothing. The DL has been okay, but would be much better if the Giants had a starting quality LB...
Many  
NYG007 : 12/4/2018 3:42 pm : link
In order:

QB
RT
RG (Brown may be it)
C
TE
WR
DL
DL
LB
LB
FS
SS
CB
"Need" is complicated to define.  
81_Great_Dane : 12/4/2018 3:57 pm : link
It's not just a matter of how the current players are performing week-to-week. It's also anticipating what holes are going to open up in a year or two, and the development time of prospects, especially those drafted in later rounds.

On a better team, you'd consider

1) who is under contract, and for how long,
2) which veterans are likely to depart in free agency or retire, and when,
3) what developmental players are already on the roster and are being groomed to step in, and how they're doing.

But the Giants have shed quite a few veterans, and are playing a lot of those "developmental" guys right now. (Wheeler for example.)

Based on recent game play, they need to find a center and a right tackle; they need a "Y" WR to complement OBJ ("X") and Sterling Shepard (slot); they still aren't great at free safety; they don't have much of a pass rush. Engram is a question mark, so they could use a true two-way TE who can both block and catch.

Based on holes we can expect to open up, they need to find Eli's successor at QB, Vernon's successor at edge rusher, possibly Collins' successor at SS.

Plus, based on regular turnover in the NFL, they could upgrade cornerback, linebacker, fullback.

If you define need that way, they need almost everything but a starting tailback.
It's real easy  
RobCrossRiver56 : 12/4/2018 3:58 pm : link

Continue to rebuild the O-Line

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In order  
Tuckrule : 12/4/2018 4:05 pm : link
RT
C
FS
Edge rusher(lb)
CB
QB
Pass rusher  
NYBEN1963 : 12/4/2018 4:05 pm : link
ORT, center , corner, free safety,NT
Sign a Center in FA and draft a RT i  
superspynyg : 12/4/2018 4:09 pm : link
early next may. Then add a guard or OT later in the draft for depth.
My two cents  
Biteymax22 : 12/4/2018 4:17 pm : link
1. Eli Successor
2. Pass Rusher
3. = Between Center & RT

If I can lay out the 2019 right now, that is how my first 3 picks would go. I'd probably use at least 2 of my 4th rounders on Oline and hope I can hit by cluster drafting.
Jamon  
Csonka : 12/4/2018 4:18 pm : link
Quote:
jcn56 : 3:40 pm : link : reply
Brown is a FA and who knows how much he's going to want, and he's not that great.

Are we sure he's not great? Yeah I know he was cut, but he looks pretty damn great to me. Maybe the bar was set low.
Needs all over, but . . . .  
TC : 12/4/2018 4:21 pm : link
I'm surprised to have to say defense. ER, LB, DB before even OL. If they're going to continue to play this style of D, they need both better pressure and better coverage, particularly on intermediate roots. Collins is good in run support, but gets beat like a drum having to cover TE's and RB's. LB's often have problems too.
OL  
Thegratefulhead : 12/4/2018 4:26 pm : link
Put a top 5 OL on the field in front of Barkley, we will control the clock, score a fuckton of points and leave our defense rested. DG did draft a running back touched by the hand of god. Now, we need to exploit that, we have to get this kid to the second level of opposing defenses without getting touched and get the fuck out of his way.
^^^^^^^^^^^  
RobCrossRiver56 : 12/4/2018 4:35 pm : link
Read that
Pass rushers, FS, and ORT are at the top of the list.  
Red Dog : 12/4/2018 4:57 pm : link
Center, 'backers, corners, and a really good blocking TE are also significant needs for next season. Depth at Guard and maybe OT will probably be needs, too, and DT could be on this list.

Looking beyond, Eli's successor, who I think will be a 2020 draft choice, De Ossie's successor at LS, and more help at Safety, particularly if they don't resign Landon Collins. Injuries and free agent defections will undoubtedly add to this list.
I get "Gidiefored", thinking  
Doomster : 12/4/2018 4:58 pm : link
about an OL in front of Barkley....

Offense, we need a QB, C, RT, RG, and 3rd WR.....

Defense, we need an edge rusher, FS, SS, min of two LBers, and a nose Tackle....

And quality backups everywhere...

Not going to be done in one season.....
Biggest needs  
darren in pdx : 12/4/2018 5:06 pm : link
in no particular order, and not including eventual new QB (Lauletta if lucky), are center, right tackle, edge rusher and safety. They also need to improve depth at pretty much every position but most notably on the o-line and front seven. An improvement at outside WR opposite of OBJ would be nice as well, but you're not going to find all of that in one off-season.
And also  
darren in pdx : 12/4/2018 5:08 pm : link
Brown is a nice stop-gap find at RG that can start there next season, but if you have a chance to improve that position you take it when available.
The biggest need...  
EricJ : 12/4/2018 5:09 pm : link
we need the old stadium and Wellington Mara back
Biggest needs are pass defense  
ChicagoMarty : 12/4/2018 5:24 pm : link
1. Mike that can cover TE's and Rb's coming out of the backfield
2. Safeties that can pass cover and catch passes that hit their hands
3. Edge rusher
4. LBs that can pass cover
5. ORT
6.. C
7. Backup OL
8. Cb
9. Qb who can move his feet
10. TE that can beat lb's and safeties in the middle zones and catch passes
Invite Andy Reid to Dave Gettleman's house  
mrvax : 12/4/2018 5:36 pm : link
Get him piss drunk.
Have him sign a trade Landon Collins for Patrick Mahomes.
QB  
ajr2456 : 12/4/2018 5:45 pm : link
Itís the most important position
OL  
BlueLou'sBack : 12/4/2018 5:53 pm : link
Because now you build this team for Saquon Barkley.

And an OK QB, which is all Eli has ever been, along with a top tier defense, will be enough.
A HOF QB  
BBelle21 : 12/4/2018 6:00 pm : link
Is an ok QB? You have high standards
RE: OL  
jogo1 : 12/4/2018 6:01 pm : link
In comment 14205798 BlueLou'sBack said:
Quote:
And an OK QB, which is all Eli has ever been, along with a top tier defense, will be enough.


When did you start watching, 2013?
QB  
xman : 12/4/2018 6:01 pm : link
then D
i'd love to have an elite C, an edge rusher and a cover safety  
markky : 12/4/2018 6:07 pm : link
the approach i would take is to upgrade our 3 weakest players, turning 3 liabilities into 3 above average to good positions. we do that and we're right in the mix.
QB  
Jeffrey : 12/4/2018 6:18 pm : link
QB, then OL, LBs and DBs
Markky  
CT Charlie : 12/4/2018 6:21 pm : link
with the trifecta.
Speed and power in the front 7 on defense  
arniefez : 12/4/2018 6:24 pm : link
RT & C. Next QB. In that order.
Area or Areas of need?  
Simms11 : 12/4/2018 6:31 pm : link
If only one Area, I would say Oline. If weíre talking Areas then my list is as follows in order of priority.....

Oline - Center then RT
QB (only if draft has one there for us thatís highly rated)
Edge Rusher/OLB
Free Safety
ILB
CB
NT

It will be tough to fill all needs again in one off-season, but if we can fill half of my areas with quality starters, then weíre off to a great start.

On Offense, I think the Giants might just hang onto Eli and continue to develop Lauletta, unless thereís a QB there thatís better then Lauletta. Oline has to continue to get more talent - not even a question. Center needed in worst way, then RT as Wheeler is nothing more then a decent swing tackle. And Brown needs to be resigned. Heís young and will continue to develop as well. The other skill positions on offense are adequate....WR, TE and RB, in fact a pretty solid group already, even the depth.

On Defense, a true NT, like Snacks would be huge, no pun intended. DEs are set, Edge Rusher is biggest need, in fact two would be even better, unless Giants feel Carter and OV are good enough, then at least one is needed. The guy has to be a difference-maker however. CBs are ok, if JEnkins is brought back and Beal shows something. I like the depth there now with Haley and Webb. Safety is another need. Could be a huge need if Collins leaves. Resign Collins and focus on getting a real Free Safety that can cover ground, tackle and make plays on the ball. Lastly, the Giants need a better ILB next to Ogletree.

Specials I think are fine, especially with Rosas, Dixon, DeOssie, Coleman and Henderson. Pretty solid STs!
...  
Toth029 : 12/4/2018 6:35 pm : link
Center and edge rusher.
wins  
Dan in the Springs : 12/4/2018 7:13 pm : link
/thread
Qb obviously and DE  
Route 9 : 12/4/2018 7:19 pm : link
Vernon is overpaid,injured and completely useless
GM, Head coach, and QB  
Go Terps : 12/4/2018 7:21 pm : link
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QB  
Gregorio : 12/4/2018 7:30 pm : link
Then Center, then right tackle.
Best Defensive player available  
TMS : 12/4/2018 8:06 pm : link
because the Ol is too tough to gage. Huge failure rate at that position for the Giants and most teams. No OL please in the first round. MO
QB  
Rick in Dallas : 12/4/2018 9:26 pm : link
But I am not sure this draft class of QBís warrant a high first round pick. If not a edge pass rusher is a must for our defense.
OL, OL, OL, oh yeah, OL!  
SterlingArcher : 12/4/2018 9:49 pm : link
I guess you could make a case for DB, S, or pass rusher.
OL, pass rush, FS and LBs who can actually cover someone.  
yatqb : 12/4/2018 10:21 pm : link
I'm inclined to think we need a C even more than a RT, but it's a close call.

And we clearly need to land our next QB, ideally one who is mobile, as soon as possible.
QB and it's not even close for me  
ProfPistolPete : 12/4/2018 11:54 pm : link
after that I'd say RT and/or MLB
Front Office and Head Coach  
Mike in Boston : 12/5/2018 12:28 am : link
But don't expect them to get it. Great draft, and kudos to Shurmur for keeping them playing hard. But pretty much every other decision they have made is a head-scratcher.
Players who can get to the  
St. Jimmy : 12/5/2018 5:54 am : link
quarterback. That is their biggest impediment to winning games. The defense cannot stop anyone when it matters because the opposing QB has too much time.

After that right tackle, center, and the future QB who preferably is on a rookie deal.
A QB  
Jimmy Googs : 12/5/2018 7:05 am : link
...
OL  
crick n NC : 12/5/2018 7:54 am : link
and front seven
RE: Many  
1955GF : 12/5/2018 10:41 am : link
How about a new scouting team. The Giants have made bad picks the last 5-6 years re linebackers,offensive linemen,
defensive ends,and backup QB's.
QB
RT
RG (Brown may be it)
C
TE
WR
DL
DL
LB
LB
FS
SS
CB [/quote]
It isnít even close  
djm : 12/5/2018 11:44 am : link
Linebackers linebackers and more linebackers. Run stuffing LBs. Pass rushing LBs and cover LBs. Then depth. Then add more depth.
The single biggest reason why this team lost two brutally close losses  
djm : 12/5/2018 11:46 am : link
To philly and Carolina was lack of a killer defense/passrush. They also couldnít get off the field in many other big spots this season.

When the giants are great, their defense is awesome. Make the D nasty again, above all else. Find lunch pail types for the O and athletic bad asses for the D.
Coaching...  
trueblueinpw : 12/5/2018 11:49 am : link
I mean, who doesnít want a Pro Bowler on their rookie deal at every position? Doesnít happen too often though so I think we a head coach who can build a program and a game plan and a staff to lead mostly good and some great players to victory.

As far as players? I want a play maker on defense. Havenít had one of those in a long while. Could be a linemen of a linebacker or a defensive back. Defensive playmakers can be anywhere on the field and make plays. We havenít had a legit playmaker on D for a while.
Biggest Needs...  
Jim in Tampa : 12/5/2018 2:12 pm : link
QB
Edge Rusher
RT

I would prefer to fill the positions via the draft in that order, but I wouldn't want to make a major concession on talent to do so. (In other words... If a great OT is available when the Giants pick in RD, and a good, but not great QB is also available, I'd want them to take the OT.)
The best Giants team we witnessed since the '86 club,  
BlueLou'sBack : 12/5/2018 2:57 pm : link
whose talent level on D is almost impossible to match in the current cap and parity era was the 2008 club. That club's personnel was good in many areas, but the OL and DL were IMO what made them great.

Give me that level of play in the trenches, again. With SB, you will get an exponential effect from good line play.
Not sure how anybody can look at the team in 2018  
Jimmy Googs : 12/5/2018 9:06 pm : link
and use the reasoning as to why/where we lost games this year (or even last year) and say that is the biggest area of need. Linebacker, edge rusher, O-line, Free Safety....agree we need improvement in players/play at all these spots.

Its all about the QB.

We have to replace an aging QB that without question has his best days behind him and is not getting any better nor is "aging gracefully" to be kind. And until we do change the guy under center, we are not likely going to be competing for playoffs on any consistent basis. The improvements at other positions will help but they won't make the difference. Change at QB will or at least will have the MOST impact.

While nobody has the secret sauce who is the right guy to replace, draft, "hitch your wagon to going forward" at QB, punting the decision down the road until the moon,sun and stars are aligned is a pipe-dream. That is like playing the lottery.

Need to restructure the QB position and need to start addressing it now...get KL in there to see what he brings. Put clear focus on scouting college QBs coming out over the next 2 years and start making your wish-list, or at least do not want list, so that we can allocate resources to QBs in the NFL right now that we can "live with" in the near term until the scouting has more focus.

And i find it hard to believe that Eli is on the list to "live with" in 2019 based on his play, age and $.

thoughts?
Right now  
dep026 : 12/5/2018 9:30 pm : link
Our worst player is Pulley. A center of his caliber will hurt Barkley and Eliís successor. But obviously you donít take a center in round 1.

Iíll play in order of how the position player has played this year...

Center
RT
Edge
MLB
QB

While Eli needs to be replaced, you just donít replace tonreplace. There needs to be a plan. So if you arenít ensnared with the QBs in this draft... improve the other areas.
If the QB of the future  
fkap : 12/5/2018 9:40 pm : link
is available, you take him. Unlike others, I don't think we're desperate for one, but we'll need a new one soon, or sooner. No forcing one, though.

Edge rusher first. actually, any where on D first, with anywhere else on D and OL a close second.

Need to be competitive  
cznmike : 12/6/2018 6:43 am : link
It all starts off the field. Without good coaching, you get mediocre teams on the field.
A currently unemployed HC from Green Bay
New OL coach; he's still horrible and proved why he was unemployed last year
Anyone that can make the D get more sacks

1st- QB, either draft or trade
2nd- OT
3rd- DB
4th- LB
5th-C

OL/Future of QB Position Needs To Be Established/DEFENSE  
Rong5611 : 12/6/2018 7:58 am : link
1) First priority - OL. It's all about Barkley. Imagine Barkley with a really good OL...wow. We really need a C, followed by stability at RT. Brown could be a keeper at RG, assuming they sign him. If not, they need one. We need to support Barkley, he's really special.

2) The Giants figure out the QB position plan for the post-Manning era, which begins after this season or after 2019. Is it a high draft pick or a veteran (Carr, Flacco, etc)? If the OL is upgraded, that will help this position as well.

3) - Defense - I'd take the best value available to support the defense in the draft and FA. Thinking the front 7 and safety are priorities

Front 7 - Run the ball, stop the run, rush the passer. We need to put more consistent heat on the QB and RB's. Carter, Hill, Tomlinson, Ogletree and Goodsen are likely locks to return. Vernon, doubtful. We need more guys upfront.

DB's - I think the secondary is better than it appears, need to keep Jackrabbit. BW Webb and Haley have impressed me so far. Safety is a concern. Michael Thomas is ok, Riley is dreadful. We don't know what's going to happen with Collins. We're going to see what we have in Chandler over the next few games.



RE: Not sure how anybody can look at the team in 2018  
crick n NC : 12/6/2018 8:13 am : link
In comment 14207086 Jimmy Googs said:
Quote:
and use the reasoning as to why/where we lost games this year (or even last year) and say that is the biggest area of need. Linebacker, edge rusher, O-line, Free Safety....agree we need improvement in players/play at all these spots.

Its all about the QB.

We have to replace an aging QB that without question has his best days behind him and is not getting any better nor is "aging gracefully" to be kind. And until we do change the guy under center, we are not likely going to be competing for playoffs on any consistent basis. The improvements at other positions will help but they won't make the difference. Change at QB will or at least will have the MOST impact.

While nobody has the secret sauce who is the right guy to replace, draft, "hitch your wagon to going forward" at QB, punting the decision down the road until the moon,sun and stars are aligned is a pipe-dream. That is like playing the lottery.

Need to restructure the QB position and need to start addressing it now...get KL in there to see what he brings. Put clear focus on scouting college QBs coming out over the next 2 years and start making your wish-list, or at least do not want list, so that we can allocate resources to QBs in the NFL right now that we can "live with" in the near term until the scouting has more focus.

And i find it hard to believe that Eli is on the list to "live with" in 2019 based on his play, age and $.

thoughts?


A better OL not only helps the qb, it makes Barkley better, it helps Beckham get downfield etc.

Front seven helps the secondary with pass rush and stopping the run which means more third and longs for the opposing offense. It's not unreasonable.
FWIW,  
section125 : 12/6/2018 8:21 am : link
1) Oline - specifically center and RT

2) OLB/DE - pass rush

3) FS - need a coverage safety

4) ILB with coverage skills

5) CB - just for depth if no starters available

Fix the oline and get somebody(s) that can pressure the opposing passing game and this team becomes extremely competitive.
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