NFT: Realmuto to the Mets gaining traction?

That gets you to the table discussing players and then you back it down.

In comment 14205997 ZGiants98 said:

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That gets you to the table discussing players and then you back it down.

Ehalt tweeted otherwise. Saying they want a guy like Nimmo or Conforto AND 2 top prospects.

You're trading him in-division. If you don't get a great deal, why do it?

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Source from another team says Miami asked for a combination of multiple top prospects, and players off the roster in exchange for Realmuto.

This is why I'm hearing at least now it's not a fit for Mets.

In comment 14206002 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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You're trading him in-division. If you don't get a great deal, why do it?

Because he is demanding a trade, only has two years of control left, refuses to extend, and is coming off his best year?

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According to a source #Marlins would not have interest in a #Mets Nimmo for Realmuto trade�they would need either Amed Rosario or Michael Conforto to start

If they want a very good catcher just sign Grandal.

We don�t have a trade partner. I actually would consider Nimmo in a trade for Realmuto. Not Rosario or Conforto.

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Honestly don't know how I feel about a Realmuto trade...I understand both sides .My feeling is Rosario could be an All Star and NO WAY I trade Conforto--I could think about Nimmo but I really like his progression and he has so many good intangibles. 2 me its a VERY TOUGH decision

In comment 14206005 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 14206002 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: You're trading him in-division. If you don't get a great deal, why do it? Because he is demanding a trade, only has two years of control left, refuses to extend, and is coming off his best year?

A player demanding a trade doesn't require that you trade him within the division. There will be a large number of teams interested. If they even decide to trade him. A player that good with two years of control left should be a blockbuster return.

you are signing Harper you can't trade Nimmo or Conforto. This lineup has MAJOR questions. Swapping Realmuto for one doesn't solve anything and the OF FA market is horrendous. Does Realmuto and Brantley make you better than Nimmo and Grandal? Probably not and one is 32 (Brantley). Sign Grandal, move on.

In comment 14206018 SJGiant said:

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We don�t have a trade partner. I actually would consider Nimmo in a trade for Realmuto. Not Rosario or Conforto.

I feel the exact opposite. Nimmo is Yelich right before he exploded IMO. They finished first and second last year for top two offensive players in the NL that could qualify. Conforto has the least control and a corner OF with pop can be replaced. Rosario, while we would be selling low, can be replaced with a stopgap until Gimenez is ready.

Yelich wRC+ 166 7.6 fWAR MVP
Nimmo wRC+ 149 4.5 fWAR First Full Season

In comment 14206022 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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In comment 14206005 ZGiants98 said: Quote: In comment 14206002 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: You're trading him in-division. If you don't get a great deal, why do it? Because he is demanding a trade, only has two years of control left, refuses to extend, and is coming off his best year? A player demanding a trade doesn't require that you trade him within the division. There will be a large number of teams interested. If they even decide to trade him. A player that good with two years of control left should be a blockbuster return.

Considering they wouldnt be trading him in division for prospects and instead want major league ready players, it has far more potential to blow in the Mets face. Nimmo, Conforto, and Rosario all have more control than Realmuto.

casual mets fan, so please don't pounce if this is wildly dumb, but what has Rosario shown so far that he shouldn't be the centerpiece in a Realmuto deal?

only concern with Nimmo is "can he stay healthy?" But I'm signing Grandal and keeping them all. Rosario was the 10th best SS in baseball over the final 2 months. That's not incredible but that shows improvement.

In comment 14206027 DanMetroMan said:

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you are signing Harper you can't trade Nimmo or Conforto. This lineup has MAJOR questions. Swapping Realmuto for one doesn't solve anything and the OF FA market is horrendous. Does Realmuto and Brantley make you better than Nimmo and Grandal? Probably not and one is 32 (Brantley). Sign Grandal, move on.

Looks like they night view Pollock as "Nimmo light" and quickly sign him to replace him but GAG. Pollock cant cary Nimmo's jock strap.

In comment 14206036 Jon in NYC said:

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casual mets fan, so please don't pounce if this is wildly dumb, but what has Rosario shown so far that he shouldn't be the centerpiece in a Realmuto deal?

He was basically a rookie in 2018 and played very well down the stretch. Final 2 months 5 homers, 10 doubles 2 triples with 15 steals. They also don't have another MLB ready SS option. Keith Law had Rosario the #1 prospect in baseball in March. Patience is a virtue. Didi and Hicks are perfect examples of this.

In comment 14206036 Jon in NYC said:

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casual mets fan, so please don't pounce if this is wildly dumb, but what has Rosario shown so far that he shouldn't be the centerpiece in a Realmuto deal?

Top prospect not that long ago... Oozes talent. Finished the season strong. I'd be leery of selling low. Although, I'd be much more amenable to dealing Rosarion than Nimmo.

In comment 14206039 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 14206036 Jon in NYC said: Quote: casual mets fan, so please don't pounce if this is wildly dumb, but what has Rosario shown so far that he shouldn't be the centerpiece in a Realmuto deal? He was basically a rookie in 2018 and played very well down the stretch. Final 2 months 5 homers, 10 doubles 2 triples with 15 steals. They also don't have another MLB ready SS option. Keith Law had Rosario the #1 prospect in baseball in March. Patience is a virtue. Didi and Hicks are perfect examples of this.

Sweet, works for me.

inquired about Realmuto.

And we think the Mets, with their scarce farm system, have a chance?! Come on!

don't put much stock in exhibitions but Rosario also looked great in Japan during the recent all-star series. Hit almost .500 with 2 doubles, HR, 2 steals. Japan actually owned the all-stars going 5-1. Final 50 games of the season .285/.319/.416 with 15 SB's.

but if I had to choose I'd rather see Rosario go than Nimmo

In comment 14206046 steve in ky said:

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but if I had to choose I'd rather see Rosario go than Nimmo

I think that's a recency bias TBH. Nimmo before 2018 would clearly be the guy to drop, now Nimmo had a huge year. Nimmo is also 26 in March, Rosario is 23. I wouldn't trade either one but Nimmo SHOULD be better right now. He's had far more seasoning.

On Twitter is that Rosario is going. Sorry I don�t know how to link twitter. It�s probably one persons opinion anyway and not a real qualified rumor.

JimBowdenGM
#Marlins asking price for Realmuto from #Mets has been Conforto and Rosario ++....too steep for #Mets.....they'll do Nimmo + but so far not enuf for #Marlins ....as talks continue...

In comment 14206048 SJGiant said:

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On Twitter is that Rosario is going. Sorry I don�t know how to link twitter. It�s probably one persons opinion anyway and not a real qualified rumor.

I don�t know who @SportsRumorTap is. Probably some quack.

Jim Bowden
#Mets are pushing hard for #Marlins Realmuto but package will be much stronger than just Nimmo according to sources on both sides

And sign effing free agents who won�t cost anything. BVW is like dombrowski in steriods but sans the financial support of ownership. Or. I suppose Steve Phillips would be another comparable gm as well.

In comment 14206057 ZGiants98 said:

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Jim Bowden #Mets are pushing hard for #Marlins Realmuto but package will be much stronger than just Nimmo according to sources on both sides

Who will play OF??

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In comment 14206057 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Jim Bowden #Mets are pushing hard for #Marlins Realmuto but package will be much stronger than just Nimmo according to sources on both sides Who will play OF??

If it's Nimmo? Looks like Conforto-Lagares-Pollock at minimum although I dont like it one bit. Nimmo is our best player outside of the pitchers IMO.

was one of the worst pitch framers in baseball in 2018
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I think he's probably the best catcher in baseball.

But holy shit is he getting overvalued. The Marlins and some of the reactions from fans ?? Crazy. They are acting like the Marlins are trading Trout here. He's coming off a great year and he's a good hitting catcher but MY GOD he only has two years of control left. This is absurd.

Of state, but I really like Nimmo. I wouldn't trade him. I'd be quicker to trade Rosario

can hit a bit but... 6/59 CS this year wow

and keep Nimmo, Rosario and whoever else!!

This team has ZERO depth in the major and upper minor!

you need a successful farm system to sustain a team's success year to year.

Anthony DiComoo
The Mets are indeed engaged with the Marlins on J.T. Realmuto, though one source called it "just talk" for now. Trading Nimmo, Conforto or Rosario in a deal would be tough for them to swallow. Still, BVW wasn't lying when he said he intends to overturn every stone this offseason.

maybe 3 years? So, if you have 11 core players in their prime (Alonso, Rosario, Conforto, Realmuto, McNeil, Wheeler, deGrom, Syndergaard, Diaz, Matz, Pollock (Signing)), plus controlled contributors (TJ Rivera, Lugo, Gsellman) and a handful of Vets (Cano, Cespedes), and a few free agent relievers (Lets say miller, ottavino) that's 18 players who are on your roster and contributing for basically for the next 3 years. You fill in the gaps with 1 year role players (such as Frazier, Vargas) and hopefully you hit on a few bench players. In the meantime you go hard in the international market and when you hit year 3, you can begin a sell-off of some of these assets and rebuilt. So basically you're going for world series for the next 3 years. And that doesn't count for whatever creativity Brodie can come up with. But we have a window with these pitchers that is unique and i see the logic.

I'd be interested in your thoughts on my logic there

his value will probably never be higher. OPS was inflated last year by freakish 22 HBPs. If he continues to get hit at the rate, he will break a bone.

He hit 17 HR last year. If he continues to develop power, he will be a very good player. But he is probably more likely to hit 15 HR and bat .260 with high k rate. He is a great guy and I love homegrown players.

But if Nimmo is the centerpiece of a Realmuto deal, you don't think twice.

Not only can Realmuto hit, he will knock a run off Matz ERA and help Thor. Because he can throw guys out trying to steal.

Plus, if Mets need a corner OFer, they can always get Jay Bruce back :)))

What if the Mets knew that Cespedes were coming back sooner than expected ? For purposes of this discussion what if Cespedes were to be ready by the first week of May

Would that change your thinking about Nimmo?

I could see a Cespedes,Pollack, and Conforto outfield with Largares as the 4th outfielder

Also I read that McNeil has played the outfield

In comment 14206103 CMicks3110 said:

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I'd be interested in your thoughts on my logic there

I don't view Realmuto as substantially better than Grandal. So I'd prefer keeping Nimmo and the "top prospects" and signing a Grandal. That's basically where I stand. Realmuto is also a very poor pitch framer (one of the worst) so in that regard he has a red flag on the defensive end. He also will need a large extension or let him walk in 2 years .

In comment 14206106 Archer said:

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What if the Mets knew that Cespedes were coming back sooner than expected ? For purposes of this discussion what if Cespedes were to be ready by the first week of May Would that change your thinking about Nimmo? I could see a Cespedes,Pollack, and Conforto outfield with Largares as the 4th outfielder Also I read that McNeil has played the outfield

Cespedes has NO chance of being back in May. He had his second surgery October 23rd. Even the Mets have made clear they would be happy with him back at mid-season. Notice they aren't even mentioning him. Odds are he barely plays this year. McNeil has played 8 career games in the OF, 6 since 2013.

Mets activated OF Yoenis Cespedes from the 60-day disabled list.
It's a procedural move that restores him to the 40-man roster. Cespedes will be out until the second half next season following surgery on both heels. Nov 2 - 5:29 PM

is 3 years older. If the Mets have payroll constraints, and we all know they do. I think you act, take a chance on these players in their prime, and in 3 years, you can sell them off. Start rebuild, a la Yankees in 2016. 2-3 year window is now. Act and win a world series and then invest heavily in international market. You take a huge step forward in the short term, and you start to plan the long term simultaneously.

In comment 14206111 CMicks3110 said:

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is 3 years older. If the Mets have payroll constraints, and we all know they do. I think you act, take a chance on these players in their prime, and in 3 years, you can sell them off. Start rebuild, a la Yankees in 2016. 2-3 year window is now. Act and win a world series and then invest heavily in international market. You take a huge step forward in the short term, and you start to plan the long term simultaneously.

How are you selling off Realmuto though? The conversation next off-season will be "will they sign him or well he leave as a FA?". If he's a pending FA his value will be way lower than it was this off-season and that's assuming he even has a good season. You don't see other "good" teams emptying their farm minus spending a lot. It's a recipe for a long term disaster.

In comment 14206103 CMicks3110 said:

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I'd be interested in your thoughts on my logic there

I mean I sort of agree with your logic regarding our system. That gets lost on people here a lot I think. The minors might be middle of the pack (or worse now since the last trade) but having an entire roster of young, cost controlled payers, many of them highly regarded at one point, isnt nothing. It could lead you to a sustained run for a few years and by the time all your young cost controlled players are due for big paydays, the system has been replenished some.

As for these rumored suggestions. I will be SICK if we trade Nimmo. We haven't had a player with his OBP skills since Olerud IMO. I agree with Dan that his injury issues in the minors are certainly a concern, but if this kid stays healthy, he is as rare as they come. I think if I squint, I can see a Conforto or Rosario deal. I think a corner OF with pop can be replaced. Conforto also has the least control and is a Boras client. With Rosario, you'd be selling low, which I hate, but Gimenez is our best prospect and not that far away and we also have a steady pipeline of SS's behind that even. I could get behind a stopgap there I think. It would have to be either/ or though... Not both. And again... Nimmo is untouchable for me.

ask is Nimmo AND Rosario. That's an awful move sorry.

Sign Grandal or Ramos and move on.

In comment 14206123 DanMetroMan said:

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ask is Nimmo AND Rosario. That's an awful move sorry.

Would you counter with Nimmo, Gimenez and Lindsay? If they followed they up with Pollock, the 2019 team would be pretty exciting if they can sure up the pen.

Minor league depth would be scary bad afterward though.